Xerophobic. Or Tin Can Boats agian

[MADDOG355]

After reading the entire tin can thread, I am thinking hard about somthing along the lines of a 19 sport possably a 21. Yes I want a covered motor, But also as stated in the other thread I want somthing I can walk around on the deck of as well and it not bend. Does eagle have it?

[River Runin]

Custom Weld Storm or?........Diesel whitewater special :D

[MADDOG355]

Just looking for a good family lake boat along the lines of my 19 Howard jet but in a a tin can verson :D

[XJBones]

Get in touch with the Gator Boat guys. IIRC they use Outlaw Eagle hulls. Based out of Cuba, MO they are a lot closer to you than Canada.
Gator Boats (http://www.gatorjetboats.com/)
I have to wipe the drool off my damn chin every time I see the 21' Sport Tunnel.
http://www.gatorjetboats.com/Liquid_Assets.jpg
They have an open bow version of the 21 sport that might fit the bill for a family lake boat.
http://www.gatorjetboats.com/Elliott_Open_Bow.jpg
Bones

[squirt'nmyload]

the bow looks like it could kill someone

[Schi-502]

Hey Dog,
Check out Edgemarine.com. Tell Lee, Mark sent you by to check out his rides.
Mark

[pw_Tony]

I would like a 19 foot with a 21 foot deck and open bow. He was talkin bout one of those. With a big block that thing would move!!!

[Xerophobic]

Just noticed this thread
Ill reply from the office tomorrow, we have some cool stuff in the shop to show you, a rather bitchin 21 sport with the guys old race boat mill haha
Cheers

[MWJSOne]

The Exchange rate between Canada and the US is now the same
don`t plan on any bargans.

[VAMI]

You must have SEEN the light or the reflection of aluminum.:D

[Xerophobic]

Actually acording to yahoo we're 7/100s of a cent up on you guys haha
(but he's right, its a pretty bad time for you guys to "buy Canadian" to be honest)
Anyway moving right along, lets revisit our sport boats in the Eagle line.
We've seen increasing popularity of our Sabre and Sport line for those wanting riverboats but also a crossover boat they can use on the lakes and open waters. These boats are the nicest in our lineup and showcase the cross curve windscreen and usually are mistaken for glass boats to be honest(quite the compliment really)
The E6 Sabre is 21 feet long with a 90" beam. It features the StepTec bottom in a 16 degree V. Delux interior, heater, stock GPS Levorsi guage package, open bow etc leave little to add to this boat in bone stock form. A nice bimini top may be one of the few things you'd want to add to the base boat unless you're into trailer upgrades.
Base motor is the Kodiac 330 hp V8 but of course we can really put in anything you wish. 2 things worthy to note are that the flush rear padded deck may need to be modified or may not be possible at all depending on what exotic motor you chose i.e. 572 etc (it is always strong enough to walk on Maddog) Secondly the boat features an EZ clean grate to clear rocks and stones from the intake if you happen to skid a gravel bar or two. This intake is less efficient than our race style intake and thus you will not get as much return as you'd expect on motor upgrades. Its not horrible but you do pay a small price for the ease of cleaning the grate.
With a tower and showing the padded flush rear deck:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/IMG_0485.JPG
(Those of you that remember the Mike Lavalle flame job done in our shop it was on this E6, this is how the boat was origionally delivered)
The StepTec bottom not only has 2 steps but also a 'hard chine;' which can really bite in the corners. Its the secret to making these boats REALLY carve in the corners
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/IMG_04831.JPG
Shots of the fit and finish and the delux interior. Our inhouse upholstery guy has done some great work for us and has his own company as well. (Full Thottle Upholstery did Mike Lavalle's "Wicked One" SEMA show truck)
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/dscf1610_184.jpg
Rear seat and rear deck:
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/files/dscf1617_460.jpg
Ill do a seperate post on the 21 X Sport next...........

[Xerophobic]

Our 21 X Sport is really the "Sabre for the guy who wants more" . The interior is nearly identical and most people often mistake the boats for the other. It can take a keen eye to notice the differences.
Firstly the 21 in stock form is a closed bow boat. Open bow is an available option but you pay for it. Secondly the boat is narrower by 7 inches staying in tune with the higher performance image. Also to make the boat faster the Steptec bottom is now 20 degree's as it is in our ever popular "beaver dam jumping" 17 X Sport. Steeper V gets more boat out of the water when up on step and thus makes it faster. It also, as previously hinted at, features our standard raceboat intake which is more efficient and handles increases in HP better. You will be under the boat to clean out the grate tho, haha everything is a tradeoff!
Interior wise the Sport features the same fit and finish but the rear deck is not as often flush and padded. If you stick with a base motor it is but as soon as you start adding big power you may need to give up that creature comfort. You may recall how high the cover needed to be to clear the 720 HP 572 install we did last summer:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722SharkSportr.JPG
(take a close look at the shape of the hull near the trailer bunk - that ~1.5" vertical chine is what makes these boats carve)
Also a tradeoff for sure but then again that white boat did 93 mph as you see it! :D
We're currently building a 21 X Sport and the owner has opted to use his old race boat mill which should prove dramatic(lol). The engine was just dropped in last week so I will get a few rigging shots for you guys.
In the meantime here are some shots of a 21 X Sport we built earlier this summer.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4084r.JPG
Side shot in front of our retail outlet:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4086r.JPG
Rear interior and engine compartment. Note the "cheater pan" which steals a bit of the foam thickness area for motor clearance. This is to clear the 6 l Vortec package, that pan increases in depth for bigger motors untill there is no room left for padding and then you lose the padded rear altogether. That or we do a custom for you and pad only the sides or something.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4096r.JPG
Same delux interior as the Sabre but the Sport does not come with all the same features (no heater for example) Keen eye's may also notice no side trays like in the Sabre but this boat was optioned with Sat radio and 4 speakers.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4100r.JPG
We have one more boat in rigging you will want to see its a nice 19 sport with some special options we don't normally do but obviously can.
More to come...
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Hey Dog,
Check out Edgemarine.com. Tell Lee, Mark sent you by to check out his rides.
Mark
Edge marine is often mentioned as our competition for the Sabre/Sport line but there are a few things you need to really watch.
Edge boats are delta bottom boats and will simply not "hang" with a Steptec in terms of handling. Different bottoms for different purposes but I would venture to say nothing will turn harder than a Steptec.
Edge boats also use Hamilton pumps which you guys may not be as familiar with. They are axial flow pumps much like your jetski pump and flow a tremendous amount of water but at low pressure. (they probably flow twice as much as a AT or berk style pump) This makes for a boat quick to plane and they handle great. Where this style of pump falls on its nose is when trying to use them for high speed. There is a very good reason we use these pumps frequently for our big load hauling riverboats but not a single marathon boat anywhere races with one. They are not good pumps for high speed boats. They will haul a moose and your hunting buddies out of the bush and get a 4000 lb boat on step in a heartbeat but they just do not provide the same performance numbers as a pressure style pump.
Edge marine does make some nice looking boats but my taste for the formed aluminum windsheilds on these boats has been forever ruined by our crosscurve glass, it just is that sexy haha
Cheers

[Xerophobic]

Also for all you guys considering why you should go aluminum there are some great pictures and background to what goes into these boats here:
http://outlaweagle.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25
Ive started some build threads for some recent sales and they fit in well with your inquiries. There is both an E6 going through right now as well as a 21 Sport with the open bow option.
Also a build thread on Tim I's 19 Sport I alluded to earlier which I will cronicle next.
What you need to remember when buying an alloy boat is you can pretty much forget about all the concerns you have ever had previously with hull deterioration etc. Aluminum hulls are essentially mtnc free and simply last and last. That initial increase in expense pays off in longevity, performance and resale value. You get what you pay for
Cheers

[MADDOG355]

No windshield please, Also no open bow. I think you called it a race cowling, with out the wind diflector.
Ok I can walk on the engine cover, What about the bow?

[Xerophobic]

Closed bow is standard in a 21 as i said. The cowling style you refer to is called the wind deflector style and we haven't built them on 21's in recent years. Not to say we won't but its not been a common request. To be honest Im searching our server and i can't even find a picture of one!
Price wise it wouldn't affect things much as there is less in parts but more in fabrication and finishing so Im guessing it would be a wash seeing as we'd likely have to just do it as a custom.
The other request we have had is to do the true "race style" cowling which you may have aluded to. It does not have the reverse wind deflector "lip" and will blow considerable more wind in your face. It looks much like the 21 tunnel cowl and is also the same cowl shape used on the 21 open bow, both boats shown earlier from Gator. Again likely a custom application as the sport CAD/CNC nests are not set up for this cowling currently(In closed bow).
We can do anything, if you're willing to pay for the option.
Fire me an email address and I can send you the build sheet with options and pricing etc
Cheers
p.s. we have, on one occasion only, done a race cowl with the reverse lip wind deflector. This turned out very nice and signifigantly reduced the wind in your face typically seen in one of our 21 tunnels. It was kinda important as this was also on a 105 mph boat :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/3722Sharkint1.JPG

[Xerophobic]

Standard "wind deflector" cowl on a 17 X Sport. This would have the same appearance on a 21
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/372217SJb.JPG
Cheers

[pw_Tony]

Windshields and heaters are GAY :D
I think Maddog will mostly be around sand ;)

[Xerophobic]

Windshields and heaters are GAY :D
I think Maddog will mostly be around sand ;)
Gay unless you're hardcore :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/matsnow011Large.jpg
Cheers

[MWJSOne]

[QUOTE=Xerophobic;2805713]Gay unless you're hardcore :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/matsnow011Large.jpg
And on the topic of hard core Xero hows the Turbine project coming along?

[Xerophobic]

A few shots of Glen F's 21 Sport rig with his former race engine. We'll keep you posted on what numbers this boat pulls.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4575r.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4573r.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4576r.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF4572r.JPG
Cheers

[Sleeper CP]

That's some great hardware there. Those boats are damn efficient. If I only had the money I think a 21" open bow with 750 HP would be a nice piece.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover

[Kev-o]

That last boat of Glen F's is going to be wild with a slightly detuned aluminum big block! We have a selection of used tunnels that are a little more affordable for a guy to get into an aluminum hull!