Just what is Gore afraid of?

[never_fast_enuf]

Now this one is easy...how about the truth.
Pretty easy for him to make movies filled with inaccuracies (hey, he has a great role model in this area, following in the footsteps of that fat piece of trash Moore) but he just can't stand to have an honest discussion about the one area he claims to be so concerned about.
Fact is, it is impossible for him to defend his blatant lies. After all, how else would Gore make millions if he were actually forced to face the fact that he is so full of crap?
Chilly reception for debate offer
October 5, 2007
STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley@suntimes.com
Seven hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money to spend to try to get someone to talk to you and not get an answer.
That's how much the Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based libertarian think tank, has forked over in six months for advertisements in national newspapers trying to persuade Al Gore to debate one of its experts on global warming issues. "We have tried, repeatedly, to contact Gore directly, with registered letters and calls to his office, and have never received a reply," says Joseph Bast, Heartland president.
A spokeswoman for Gore told me by e-mail that Heartland is an oil-company-funded group that denies that global warming is real and caused by human activities.
"The debate has shifted to how to solve the climate crisis, not if there is one," said Kalee Kreider. "It does not make sense for him to engage in a dialogue with them at this time."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/589551,CST-EDT-HUNT05.article

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Read this morning that Gore and another, I believe from Canada, might be first co-winners of the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Schiada76]

Read this morning that Gore and another, I believe from Canada, might be first co-winners of the Nobel Peace Prize.
The Nobel prize, what a joke that has become.:D :D

[centerhill condor]

he's afraid of that "deer in the headlights" look...or that awkward embarassing silence when he doesn't have a scripted and focus group approved response.
Also, this calls into question his statement, "the debate is over"...when someone wants a debate. go figure.
CC

[SmokinLowriderSS]

has been restricted from viewing by schoolchildren in jolly olde ENGLAND of all places.
Why?
Because of it's "factual inaccuracies" and "politicasl bias".
"The film promotes a specific political viewpoint and fails to give a detached analysis of scientific fact. As such it represents a blatant attempt by our government to foist its political agenda on to schoolchildren by sending out a film which is more about politics than science. This is plainly unacceptable."
From The Daily Mail, England: 3 Oct 2007
Schools will have to issue a warning before they show pupils Al Gore’s controversial film about global warming, a judge indicated yesterday.
Stewart Dimmock said the former U.S. Vice-President’s documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, is unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and ’sentimental mush’.
Mr Dimmock, a lorry driver from Dover with children aged 11 and 14, said at the outset of the hearing: ‘I wish my children to have the best education possible, free from bias and political spin, and Mr Gore’s film falls far short of the standard required.’
I keep demanding to see the "facts that prove it beyond doubt" that the believers have.
All I keep getting is disapointment. :idea:
There's a reason they can't "prove" it's man-caused. :idea: :idea: :idea:

[Old Texan]

I keep demanding to see the "facts that prove it beyond doubt" that the believers have.
All I keep getting is disapointment. :idea:
There's a reason they can't "prove" it's man-caused. :idea: :idea: :idea:
Apparently they are short of good Investigators over on the Left......they keep confusing it with pollution.
But ya know, propaganda sells better than facts and in this Liberal slanted media world you get a whole better shot at the Nobel which if you can't be President of the USA, is something to feed the ego....:idea:

[bigq]

I think they need to go back and "think" why they wasted 750k.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

a whole better shot at the Nobel which if you can't be President of the USA, is something to feed the ego....:idea:
I don't think "Fathah" won a Nobel Peace Prize, or was even nominated. :idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

has been restricted from viewing by schoolchildren in jolly olde ENGLAND of all places.
Why?
Because of it's "factual inaccuracies" and "politicasl bias".
"The film promotes a specific political viewpoint and fails to give a detached analysis of scientific fact. As such it represents a blatant attempt by our government to foist its political agenda on to schoolchildren by sending out a film which is more about politics than science. This is plainly unacceptable."
From The Daily Mail, England: 3 Oct 2007
Schools will have to issue a warning before they show pupils Al Gore’s controversial film about global warming, a judge indicated yesterday.
Stewart Dimmock said the former U.S. Vice-President’s documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, is unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and ’sentimental mush’.
Mr Dimmock, a lorry driver from Dover with children aged 11 and 14, said at the outset of the hearing: ‘I wish my children to have the best education possible, free from bias and political spin, and Mr Gore’s film falls far short of the standard required.’
I keep demanding to see the "facts that prove it beyond doubt" that the believers have.
All I keep getting is disapointment. :idea:
There's a reason they can't "prove" it's man-caused. :idea: :idea: :idea:
If there weren't arguable points in Gore's movie, you wouldn't have anything to whine about, now would you? Just like the truck driver. A warning not a ban in UK schools. Maybe the judge should have forced UK schools to include the 2 hour movie that is contradictory Gore's in UK school's curriculum. Seems this would better educate both scientifically and politically.
Apparently they are short of good Investigators over on the Left......they keep confusing it with pollution.
:D :D Unpersonaly personal. You're good Tex

[redneckcharlie]

Anybody want to buy a carbon credit? What a joke!:rolleyes:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

If there weren't arguable points in Gore's movie,
Did you finally FIND one or two? :jawdrop:
Do tell. :idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Anybody want to buy a carbon credit? What a joke!:rolleyes:
No sh*t

[SmokinLowriderSS]

If there weren't arguable points in Gore's movie, you wouldn't have anything to whine about,
I'm waiting........................................... .....................:sleeping:

[Old Texan]

I'm waiting........................................... .....................:sleeping:
He won't answer. He's very selective in what he replies to.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I'm waiting........................................... .....................:sleeping:
and obviously you will continue to.
He won't answer. He's very selective in what he replies to.
You're right Tex. There is no point in replying to specifics about Gore's movie. Per Smokin, there is nothing true about the entire MMCC issue. He knows where I stand and I know where he stands. This isn't going to change, for the time being.
BTW, the he said, he won't, he did, he is, he isn't, stuff shows little creativity. If you have points to the debate, I most likely will respond and probably will be silent to comments like the above. Hopefully you understand.

[never_fast_enuf]

You're right Tex. There is no point in replying to specifics about Gore's movie. Per Smokin, there is nothing true about the entire MMCC issue. He knows where I stand and I know where he stands. This isn't going to change, for the time being.
So you have no problem supporting ideas that are factually incorrect?

[Old Texan]

So you have no problem supporting ideas that are factually incorrect?
The same reasons Gore won't debate anyone about the subject. It's not possible to back up baseless untruths (or technically bald faced lies).......
Big Al's read enough Pinnochio(sp) to know he wouldn't look good with a 12" long nose and defending his "DocuLie" farce would definitely require spinning the truth......:devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

(or technically bald faced lies)....... :D :D :D
You're right Tex. There is no point in replying to specifics about Gore's movie. Per Smokin, there is nothing true about the entire MMCC issue. He knows where I stand and I know where he stands. This isn't going to change, for the time being.
So you have no problem supporting ideas that are factually incorrect?
Maybe you haven't been here long enough to know my position about this issue so I will give it to you briefly. I do not support or deny MMCC. IMO, there is still far too much to learn about this issue for me to draw any conclusion. IMO, the only intelligent position to take at this time. As I recall, a position similar to yours.

[never_fast_enuf]

:D :D :D
Maybe you haven't been here long enough to know my position about this issue so I will give it to you briefly. I do not support or deny MMCC. IMO, there is still far too much to learn about this issue for me to draw any conclusion. IMO, the only intelligent position to take at this time. As I recall, a position similar to yours.
It is similar to mine (I don't think for a second man is causing the globe to warm but if someone can show me factual information to the contrary, I am wide open) but I can acknowledge when facts don't support the argument of either side. Gore's book is full of factual inaccuracies (I am being kind here) that he uses to push his side of the debate.
Wait, did I say debate? How silly of me. According to Gore, there is no debate. It just is...

[never_fast_enuf]

This might just be why Gore refuses to debate his pack of lies...It might just be a bit....inconvenient.;)
“I can assure Mr. Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas. In fact, if Gore consults the data, he will see it shows sea level falling in some parts of the Pacific.” — Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, University of Auckland, N.Z.
- - -
“We find no alarming sea level rise going on, in the Maldives, Tovalu, Venice, the Persian Gulf and even satellite altimetry, if applied properly.” — Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden.
- - -
“Gore is completely wrong here — malaria has been documented at an altitude of 2,500 metres — Nairobi and Harare are at altitudes of about 1,500 metres. The new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago. None of the “30 so-called new diseases” Gore references are attributable to global warming, none.” — Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, unit of insects and infectious diseases, Paris, comments on Gore’s belief that Nairobi and Harare were founded just above the mosquito line to avoid malaria and how the mosquitoes are now moving to higher altitudes.
- - -
“Our information is that seven of 13 populations of polar bears in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (more than half the world’s estimated total) are either stable or increasing….. Of the three that appear to be declining, only one has been shown to be affected by climate change. No one can say with certainty that climate change has not affected these other populations, but it is also true that we have no information to suggest that it has.” — Dr. Mitchell Taylor, manager, wildlife research section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut.
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“Mr. Gore suggests that the Greenland melt area increased considerably between 1992 and 2005. But 1992 was exceptionally cold in Greenland and the melt area of ice sheet was exceptionally low due to the cooling caused by volcanic dust emitted from Mt. Pinatubo. If, instead of 1992, Gore had chosen for comparison the year 1991, one in which the melt area was 1% higher than in 2005, he would have to conclude that the ice sheet melt area is shrinking and that perhaps a new Ice Age is just around the corner.” — Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.
“The oceans are now heading into one of their periodic phases of cooling…. Modest changes in temperature are not about to wipe them [coral] out. Neither will increased carbon dioxide, which is a fundamental chemical building block that allows coral reefs to exist at all.” — Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
- - -
“Both the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening. The temperature at the South Pole has declined by more than one degree C since 1950. And the area of sea ice around the continent has increased over the last 20 years.” — Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.
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“From data published by the Canadian Ice Service, there has been no precipitous drop-off in the amount or thickness of the ice cap since 1970 when reliable overall coverage became available for the Canadian Arctic.” — Dr./Cdr. M.R. Morgan, FRMS, formerly advisor to the World Meteorological Organization/climatology research scientist at University of Exeter, U.K.
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“The MPB (mountain pine beetle) is a species native to this part of North America and is always present. The MPB epidemic started as comparatively small outbreaks and through forest management inaction got completely out of hand.” — Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C., comments on Gore’s belief that the mountain pine beetle is an “invasive exotic species” that has become a plague due to fewer days of frost.

[Old Texan]

How the editorial staff at Motor Trend view the situation. Of course I'd think them a bit predudiced towards SUV's and such, but neverthe less they do point out some clear "Hypocisy".
http://blogs.motortrend.com/6215302/editorial/give-up-your-suv-and-other-nauseating-hypocrisy/index.html

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It is similar to mine (I don't think for a second man is causing the globe to warm but if someone can show me factual information to the contrary, I am wide open) but I can acknowledge when facts don't support the argument of either side. Gore's book is full of factual inaccuracies (I am being kind here) that he uses to push his side of the debate.
Wait, did I say debate? How silly of me. According to Gore, there is no debate. It just is...
Nobody here has heard me talk about Gore as being the all seeing and all knowing about this issue. The CC isssue goes mcuh deeper than Gore. You're not going to get any arguement from me about Gore. I have said that everyone should see Gore's movie, just as I believe that everyone should see the 2 hour video (the title I don't recall) that is contrary to Gore.
Tex,
Your Sig line "And second-guessing is not a strategy.”
A srtategy is something that is missing in Iraq and will continue to be until Bush lays this mess in the lap of the next President. Again, not what I consider to be a strategy.

[Old Texan]

A srtategy is something that is missing in Iraq and will continue to be until Bush lays this mess in the lap of the next President. Again, not what I consider to be a strategy.
And it will be until the Military is allowed to do their job without Congressional intervention and media posturing.
Gen. Petraeus is making gains in spite of the critical rhetoric from your liberal buds and the wackoffs at MoveOn.org. It's time to end the damn thing and the only dilligent way to do it is to leave the Military do their jobs, "End of Story, 'Nuff Said...."

[never_fast_enuf]

And it will be until the Military is allowed to do their job without Congressional intervention and media posturing.
Gen. Petraeus is making gains in spite of the critical rhetoric from your liberal buds and the wackoffs at MoveOn.org. It's time to end the damn thing and the only dilligent way to do it is to leave the Military do their jobs, "End of Story, 'Nuff Said...."
Bing freaking O!!!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

And it will be until the Military is allowed to do their job without Congressional intervention and media posturing.
Gen. Petraeus is making gains in spite of the critical rhetoric from your liberal buds and the wackoffs at MoveOn.org. It's time to end the damn thing and the only dilligent way to do it is to leave the Military do their jobs, "End of Story, 'Nuff Said...."
Go GOP. Be proud your comment Tex.
Gen. Petraeus is doing his job.
BTW, all branches of Govt were controlled by the Republicans for almost 4 years of this war, and you blame liberals for the chaos in Iraq? That would similar to giving the Dems credit for the progress that has been made since Jan 07. Lame, lame lame.

[Old Texan]

The plates are spinning slower and slower as Ultra attempts to keep them all in the air. But the wobblers are taking over as he can't remember which thread he's posting what in and ooooopppps, we have a crash......:devil:
Now we know why you never had a stage act........Too many plates, too many responsibilities.:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The plates are spinning slower and slower as Ultra attempts to keep them all in the air. But the wobblers are taking over as he can't remember which thread he's posting what in and ooooopppps, we have a crash......:devil:
Now we know why you never had a stage act........Too many plates, too many responsibilities.:D
Whatchu talkin bout wobblers Tex? And in 2 treads too. Whata foo

[never_fast_enuf]

Go GOP. Be proud your comment Tex.
Gen. Petraeus is doing his job.
BTW, all branches of Govt were controlled by the Republicans for almost 4 years of this war, and you blame liberals for the chaos in Iraq? That would similar to giving the Dems credit for the progress that has been made since Jan 07. Lame, lame lame.
I blame democrats for trying to secure defeat in Iraq, almost from the beginning.
I find it odd that the islamist extremist embrace the democrats and their rhetoric is almost indistinguishable from the democrat party. Don't you?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I blame democrats for trying to secure defeat in Iraq, almost from the beginning.
I find it odd that the islamist extremist embrace the democrats and their rhetoric is almost indistinguishable from the democrat party. Don't you?
I think you spend way too much time praying at Right wing blog sites.
Secure defeat????? I blame Republicans for sacrificing 4000 American soldiers. (not really) See how stupid that sounds

[hkunz]

Interesting point. Although the backing of the American people (or any "people") for an extended conflict is required to continue the will to fight in that conflict, the "naysayers' in the Democratic Party who have been "anti-war" ever since they figured out that Bush (and by association, the Republicans) was making political hay aren't the ones who have damaged the military's progress?
Let's break this down, shall we? Dems and GOP both support war in Afganistan and Iraq after 9-11. Both say there are WMD's, Bin Laden is bad guy with ties to Saddam, etc. Veni vidi vici, and GOP's popularity goes up. Dems suddenly are anti-war, and quote folks who want out of the war. Those folks are actually the press, NYT, CBS, etc. who don't want GOP to be in power. The regular folks, who while they don't like war, realize it is a necessary evil, listen to the slop presented by the NYT, CBS, etc. Dems jump onboard so they can get elected to congress on an anti-war platform. Once in power, they realize they can't really stop the war because it will bring the battle to our doorstep. But, they can trash talk the war, the GOP, Bush, etc., to make themselves look good.
This is called propaganda. Used with sucess in WWII and Vietnam. CPUSA even helped pay for various Dem expenses during the 60s and 70s.
Now, you want me to think the Republicans somehow sacrificed 4,000 troops? When if the Dems had been with the program instead of self-serving, it would be over now? What do you think gives the most comfort and aid to the enemy? How about the fact that a major portion fo our government openly wants to let them do whatever they want?
If the Dems and media would show some resolve (which they would if a Dem was Pres.), the anti-American forces would feel more helpless, and lose at least some of the will to fight. But, when they see Dan Rather, Howard Dean, and George Soros siding with them, they feel they may be able to prevail.
No opinions here, just the way it is.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Well, that WOULD be the truth, except ultra already knows the REAL truth. That the terrorists would leave us alone if we would just get out of Iraq and give it to them.
Are you going to stand by your previously stated position ultra, or backpedal?

[never_fast_enuf]

Ultra doesn't have the will to face the truth. The fact is, Al Qaeda and the DNC talking points are literally interchangeable. It is impossible to distinguish the difference and for a democrat, that must really suck. I know as an American, it sure does...

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Now, you want me to think the Republicans somehow sacrificed 4,000 troops?
Noone wants you to believe such an absurd statement. The war in Iraq has been mismanaged from the onset. You and others can blame the Democrats if you would like but doing so paints a very clear picture of very shallow and bitter Republican party. Most of us remember that the Republicans had control of all branches of Government until Jan 07, and almost 4 years of the Iraqi war.
Well, that WOULD be the truth, except ultra already knows the REAL truth. That the terrorists would leave us alone if we would just get out of Iraq and give it to them.
Are you going to stand by your previously stated position ultra, or backpedal?
This is your conclusion not my stated position Smokin. So get to searching and find something to prove me wrong as you always try to do.
Ultra doesn't have the will to face the truth. The fact is, Al Qaeda and the DNC talking points are literally interchangeable. It is impossible to distinguish the difference and for a democrat, that must really suck. I know as an American, it sure does...
Al Qaeda and the DNC in any type of comparrison is an insult to Americans. But why you care about that.

[never_fast_enuf]

Al Qaeda and the DNC in any type of comparrison is an insult to Americans. But why you care about that.
.
The DNC is an insult to Americans.
“Can’t you [Bush] be honest at least once in your life, and admit that you are a deceitful liar who intentionally deceived your nation when you drove them to war in Iraq,” al-Zawahri said in a portion of the video released by the Washington-based SITE Institute.
Hmmm...Sound familiar? It should...
“The truth is, the president misled America when he sent us to war.” …Dean said, “This is an administration that has a fundamental problem telling the truth.” Good ole Howard Dean...Head of the DNC
But wait, there's more...
SEN. JOHN KERRY: The bottom line is that the president and his administration did mislead America into war.
Where else have we heard Zawahiri’s claim before. Ah yes, Senator Harry Reid:
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid says he wants to make sure the President Bush can’t mislead the nation on Iran the way Bush supposedly misled Americans on the situation in Iraq.
More from the previous number two man of Al Qaeda...
“Your agents in the Arabian Peninsula, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have captured thousands of the youth and soldiers of Islam whom you made to taste at your hands and the hands of your agents various types of punishment and torture,”
Hmmm...again, that has a familiar ring to it Ultra...wonder why?
Pelosi...Ultra, she is a democrat, right?
“Tonight at long last, because of Congressman John Murtha’s leadership and persistence, the House finally went on record in favor of clear procedures for dealing with prisoners and against torture.
“Our troops were sent to war in Iraq without many of the essentials needed for their effectiveness and their safety, including a standard of conduct for the treatment of detainees. We have seen, to our great shame and regret, the consequences of this lack of clarity. At Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq, at Guantanamo, and in Afghanistan, allegations and evidence of detainee abuse have damaged the standing of the United States in the world.
I can go on and on...face it Ultra, the democrat party is totally vested in the US losing the war in Iraq. The democrat party is disgusting.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The DNC is an insult to Americans.
“Can’t you [Bush] be honest at least once in your life, and admit that you are a deceitful liar who intentionally deceived your nation when you drove them to war in Iraq,” al-Zawahri said in a portion of the video released by the Washington-based SITE Institute.
Hmmm...Sound familiar? It should...
“The truth is, the president misled America when he sent us to war.” …Dean said, “This is an administration that has a fundamental problem telling the truth.” Good ole Howard Dean...Head of the DNC
But wait, there's more...
SEN. JOHN KERRY: The bottom line is that the president and his administration did mislead America into war.
Where else have we heard Zawahiri’s claim before. Ah yes, Senator Harry Reid:
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid says he wants to make sure the President Bush can’t mislead the nation on Iran the way Bush supposedly misled Americans on the situation in Iraq.
More from the previous number two man of Al Qaeda...
“Your agents in the Arabian Peninsula, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have captured thousands of the youth and soldiers of Islam whom you made to taste at your hands and the hands of your agents various types of punishment and torture,”
Hmmm...again, that has a familiar ring to it Ultra...wonder why?
Pelosi...Ultra, she is a democrat, right?
“Tonight at long last, because of Congressman John Murtha’s leadership and persistence, the House finally went on record in favor of clear procedures for dealing with prisoners and against torture.
“Our troops were sent to war in Iraq without many of the essentials needed for their effectiveness and their safety, including a standard of conduct for the treatment of detainees. We have seen, to our great shame and regret, the consequences of this lack of clarity. At Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq, at Guantanamo, and in Afghanistan, allegations and evidence of detainee abuse have damaged the standing of the United States in the world.
I can go on and on...face it Ultra, the democrat party is totally vested in the US losing the war in Iraq. The democrat party is disgusting.
President Bush is an embarrassment and yet you continue to play follow the leader. Enjoy while you can because it appears the Republican reign may be over. I wonder why.

[never_fast_enuf]

At least Bush is willing to stand up and actually fight the islamic extremist instead of writing their propaganda material like the weasel democrats.
I seem to remember the bold prognostications the dems made in 2002 and 2004. We are a long way away from November of 08. Yes, there is a reason the main stream media has stopped reporting on Iraq. Reporting good news doesn't help their DNC buddies. Not to worry Ultra...the word is still getting out.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

At least Bush is willing to stand up and actually fight the islamic extremist instead of writing their propaganda material like the weasel democrats.
I seem to remember the bold prognostications the dems made in 2002 and 2004. We are a long way away from November of 08. Yes, there is a reason the main stream media has stopped reporting on Iraq. Reporting good news doesn't help their DNC buddies. Not to worry Ultra...the word is still getting out.
I'm not worried in the slightest. The majority American people are way smarter than you give them credit for.
Good news in Iraq? What like the surge, that happened as a result of the Democratic congress, is working? See how STUPID it sounds.
F'n war monger Nazi like, neo-con Republicans. Again see how STUPID it sounds.
Good luck with your battle, as it an uphill one for sure.
In the meantime, you just keep worshiping the Right wing blogs you have so much faith in.
Later

[never_fast_enuf]

The majority American people are way smarter than you give them credit for.
Well now isn't that a peach. Your party treats them like they are retarded. They can't dare tell the truth about what their plank is or the American people would laugh them off the stage. THAT is why the democrat party feels the need to lie about everything they do. The truth matters not to them. Power matters to them

[redneckcharlie]

Noone wants you to believe such an absurd statement. The war in Iraq has been mismanaged from the onset. You and others can blame the Democrats if you would like but doing so paints a very clear picture of very shallow and bitter Republican party. Most of us remember that the Republicans had control of all branches of Government until Jan 07, and almost 4 years of the Iraqi war.
This is your conclusion not my stated position Smokin. So get to searching and find something to prove me wrong as you always try to do.
Al Qaeda and the DNC in any type of comparrison is an insult to Americans. But why you care about that.
Mismanaged the war? Since when is an armed conflict on the same lines as a company that produces widgets? There is absolutely no management in a war, there is however leadership and planning. I find it very ironic that people that have never been in a hostile situation, let alone shot at, can state that the Iraq War is being mismanaged. From the sounds of all these yahoo's, it sound like the Iraq War is much like running the local 7-11. I'd venture to guess that 99.9 % of those genius's aren't even qualified to keep their own personal lives in order.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The majority American people are way smarter than you give them credit for.
Well now isn't that a peach. Your party treats them like they are retarded. They can't dare tell the truth about what their plank is or the American people would laugh them off the stage. THAT is why the democrat party feels the need to lie about everything they do. The truth matters not to them. Power matters to them
THE DEMS ARE COMING THE DEMS ARE COMING. OH NO MR. BILL
You're funny!
Mismanaged the war? Since when is an armed conflict on the same lines as a company that produces widgets? There is absolutely no management in a war, there is however leadership and planning. I find it very ironic that people that have never been in a hostile situation, let alone shot at, can state that the Iraq War is being mismanaged. From the sounds of all these yahoo's, it sound like the Iraq War is much like running the local 7-11. I'd venture to guess that 99.9 % of those genius's aren't even qualified to keep their own personal lives in order.
Charlie,
Some on the most competent military minds in the US state that the Iraqi war has been mismanaged. We invaded and bombed Iraq with absolutely no stategery whatsoever. Lots of tactic and no strategy is no way to win a war.

[Schiada76]

Hey!
I found Ultradumbs arguements to support the ALGORE!
Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
By Noel Sheppard | October 9, 2007 - 00:55 ET
Newsbusters.com
Here's something American media are virtually guaranteed to not report: a British court has determined that Al Gore's schlockumentary "An Inconvenient Truth" contains at least eleven material falsehoods.
It seems a safe bet Matt Lauer and Diane Sawyer won't be discussing this Tuesday morning, wouldn't you agree?
For those that haven't been following this case, a British truck driver filed a lawsuit to prevent the airing of Gore's alarmist detritus in England's public schools.
According to the website of the political party the plaintiff, Stewart Dimmock, belongs to (ecstatic emphasis added throughout, h/t Marc Morano):
AdvertisementIn order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.
How marvelous. And what are those inaccuracies?
The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.
The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.
The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.
Oh wait this doesn't support the Algore. Nevermind!:D
You know now that I think about it this looks like the Algore lied. I'm SHOCKED!:sqeyes:

[Schiada76]

THE DEMS ARE COMING THE DEMS ARE COMING. OH NO MR. BILL
You're funny!
Charlie,
Some on the most competent military minds in the US state that the Iraqi war has been mismanaged. We invaded and bombed Iraq with absolutely no stategery whatsoever. Lots of tactic and no strategy is no way to win a war.
Here is where I agree somewhat with Ultradumb, the war has been mismanaged. The problem is the strategy that was/is being used is wrong.
Fighting polite war gets our troops killed.
Waste the enemy should have been the only order of the day.
Ultra will lament that strategy also though.:rolleyes:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Here is where I agree somewhat with Ultradumb, the war has been mismanaged. The problem is the strategy that was/is being used is wrong.
Fighting polite war gets our troops killed.
Waste the enemy should have been the only order of the day.
Ultra will lament that strategy also though.:rolleyes:
The Ultradumb line is cute Schiada. Take the baby talk elsewhere.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Are you REALLY going to make me dig up where I asked you a half dozen times what you thought the outcome would be if we left Iraq to the terrorists and you said yes, they would leave us alone in the US?
You better move fast to change it before I dig it up and beat you about the head and shoulders with it. :idea:
Forget it, I will have quoted it for posterity anyhow. :idea:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

The 4th or 5th time I quoted myself, Thread titled "You nearly saw the burning of the great satan, page 6, Smokin' post #140, 5/12/2007, 09:59PM:
Originally Posted by SmokinLowriderSS
So..... you think that, if we QUIT, the terrorists will just leave us alone?
Following your continued ducking it, Oldtex posted on post #144, on 5-13-2007, at 08:28AM:
Ultra John, I really would like to know the answer to SS's question, do you think "The terrorists will leave the US alone if we retreat from Iraq?"
You finally DID answer, in post #145, 5/13/2007, 12:38PM, after quoting Tex:
1. For the most part yes. I don't see bringing some of the troops home as retreiting.
By the way, it is RetreAting, not RetreIting.
Me, 09:00PM yesterday:
Originally Posted by SmokinLowriderSS
Well, that WOULD be the truth, except ultra already knows the REAL truth. That the terrorists would leave us alone if we would just get out of Iraq and give it to them.
Are you going to stand by your previously stated position ultra, or backpedal?
As of today, YOU ultra, 08:58AM:
This is your conclusion not my stated position Smokin. So get to searching and find something to prove me wrong as you always try to do.
Done. ]1. For the most part yes. I don't see bringing some of the troops home as retreiting.

[never_fast_enuf]

Oh dear lord...Ultra thinks that if we just leave Iraq, the bad men will leave us alone?
I could launch into a string of expletives and beat his absolute naivety into the ground (which for having the audacity to actually make such a fraudulent statement, he would deserve) but really, it would be like smacking the neighbors 3 year old.
What a damn sad uninformed world Ultra has decided to live in.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The 4th or 5th time I quoted myself, Thread titled "You nearly saw the burning of the great satan, page 6, Smokin' post #140, 5/12/2007, 09:59PM:
Following your continued ducking it, Oldtex posted on post #144, on 5-13-2007, at 08:28AM:
You finally DID answer, in post #145, 5/13/2007, 12:38PM, after quoting Tex:
By the way, it is RetreAting, not RetreIting.
Me, 09:00PM yesterday:
As of today, YOU ultra, 08:58AM:
Done.
"For the most part" Is the best you can do? My opinion hasn't changed Smokin. our mission in Iraq will have no positive affect on terrorist attacks on US soil. We are in more danger because of our actions in Iraq.
Thanks for the spell check

[never_fast_enuf]

"For the most part" Is the best you can do? My opinion hasn't changed Smokin. our mission in Iraq will have no positive affect on terrorist attacks on US soil. We are in more danger because of our actions in Iraq.
Attacking Germany had no effect on ensuring the Japanese wouldn't attack the US again on US soil. Attacking Germany only put us in more danger in WWII

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Attacking Germany had no effect on ensuring the Japanese wouldn't attack the US again on US soil. Attacking Germany only put us in more danger in WWII
There is little to compare about WWII and Iraq. Terrorist acts, such as 9/11 and the bombing by the Japanese army are not comparable. We are not at war with a Country or Countries, as were in the 40's. We are at war in Iraq not with Iraq. There is significantly more terrorist activity in the world today than there was on September 11, 2001. Terrorist groups, those who want to harm the US, are growing not getting smaller in numbers.
Dude, your deals are money and hating Democrats. You obviously have no clue about anything else.

[never_fast_enuf]

I hate democrats that put power ahead of the country. I hate democrats that are striving for our defeat in Iraq because politically, they think it will make them more powerful here in the US. Right now, that includes most of them.
It all boils down to where you want to fight the fight. Here, where people like you would give terrorists all the rights of a citizen of the US and therefore the fight would be in the courts?
Or is it better to take the fight to some God forsaken scrub country like Iraq or Afghanistan where our soldiers, who are far better equipped to fight the fight can actually do what is needed and KILL the bastards that want to kill us.
Either way, the fight will happen, in spite of naive attitudes like your's that think if we just leave the bad men alone, they will magically stop trying to blow us the phuck up. Clearly you are not a big picture guy and that is ok, as long as everyone realizes that…including yourself. Not everyone has the capacity to think in big picture terms.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I hate democrats that put power ahead of the country. I hate democrats that are striving for our defeat in Iraq because politically, they think it will make them more powerful here in the US. Right now, that includes most of them.
It all boils down to where you want to fight the fight. Here, where people like you would give terrorists all the rights of a citizen of the US and therefore the fight would be in the courts?
Or is it better to take the fight to some God forsaken scrub country like Iraq or Afghanistan where our soldiers, who are far better equipped to fight the fight can actually do what is needed and KILL the bastards that want to kill us.
Either way, the fight will happen, in spite of naive attitudes like your's that think if we just leave the bad men alone, they will magically stop trying to blow us the phuck up. Clearly you are not a big picture guy and that is ok, as long as everyone realizes that…including yourself. Not everyone has the capacity to think in big picture terms.
We all know that you hate Democrats. There is a big picture and it is far largrer how much money you take home. It's interesting that I don't see you as a big picture guy. I will leave it at that.
Later

[never_fast_enuf]

We all know that you hate Denocrats. There is a big picture and it is far largrer how much money you take home. It's interesting that I don't see you as a big picture guy. I will leave it at that.
Later
You are a quick study...
Just like your dem leaders, you take a part of my quote and spin it into something I never said.
Well done...you just rose to the level of a political hack.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Attacking Germany had no effect on ensuring the Japanese wouldn't attack the US again on US soil. Attacking Germany only put us in more danger in WWII
Minor factoid, Germany declared war on US, even tho WE did not declare war on them on 8Dec 1941.
Attacking JAPAN had no effect at preventing Germany from attacking us.

[Old Texan]

Observation: Ultra has mentioned more than once that NFE's focus is always on money. Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Ultra is always bringing money, possesions, other's occupations based on income, oil (a form of money), and cost to him and the US citizens into account on most all issues?
So who is it that is most focused on money or perhaps driven by money? I wonder.......:idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You are a quick study...
Just like your dem leaders, you take a part of my quote and spin it into something I never said.
Well done...you just rose to the level of a political hack.
How many times have you commented about how much you hate Democrats?
You are making me laugh again with your attempts at being tough.
:D :D :D
BTW, are you male or female? Your profile is blank.

[Old Texan]

How many times have you commented about how much you hate Democrats?
You are making me laugh again with your attempts at being tough.
:D :D :D
BTW, are you male or female? Your profile is blank.
My oh my. There's always tommorrow.....:rolleyes:

[never_fast_enuf]

Minor factoid, Germany declared war on US, even tho WE did not declare war on them on 8Dec 1941.
Attacking JAPAN had no effect at preventing Germany from attacking us.
This is what kills me about people like Ultra. Damn good thing we didn't have political correctness and a media that was socialist driven.
Hell, even Hollywood was decent back then and supported America. No way we win WWII if it was fought today. People like Ultra would secure our defeat.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

This is what kills me about people like Ultra. Damn good thing we didn't have political correctness and a media that was socialist driven.
Hell, even Hollywood was decent back then and supported America. No way we win WWII if it was fought today. People like Ultra would secure our defeat.
You're falling back into the your old MASTERDEBATER ways nfe. People like Ultra??? People like Ultra are have the intelligence to understand the difference between a declared war against and among countries and a war against a group of religious freaks, who are sprinked all over the world. Appatantly, you are unable to realize this. Taking shots at my dedication to my Country, because of how I view our rolein Iraq, is childish. If you want to discuss issues cool, if you want to go back to the personal attacks, I'm likly to tell you to go fock yourself. Do you understand?

[Old Texan]

There goes the temper again.
"Religious freaks, sprinkled all over the globe......." Now that's a good one.
Just leave them be and they will surely go away......:rolleyes:
I believe the United States of America came to independence because England thought of the "colonists" as just a bunch of backwoods frontier bumpkins, many of whom derived from indentured convicts. A very bad underestimation of determined people.
He whom underestimates his enemies is destined to be destroyed.

[Schiada76]

Watch out NFE I think Ultradumb is fixin to swat you with his murse!:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

There goes the temper again.
"Religious freaks, sprinkled all over the globe......." Now that's a good one.
Just leave them be and they will surely go away......:rolleyes:
I believe the United States of America came to independence because England thought of the "colonists" as just a bunch of backwoods frontier bumpkins, many of whom derived from indentured convicts. A very bad underestimation of determined people.
He whom underestimates his enemies is destined to be destroyed.
No temper, ignorance gets old Tex Aren't we at war with terrorists? Radical Islam? Aren't these maniacs all over the world? Did I ever once say leave them alone? You don't seem to be up to the task anymore Tex.
When you understand that Iraq and WWII are vastly different in principle. meaning, and purpose, please educate nfe. He needs to learn what I did in
6th grade.
Later

[Old Texan]

No temper, ignorance gets old Tex Aren't we at war with terrorists? Radical Islam? Aren't these maniacs all over the world? Did I ever once say leave them alone? You don't seem to be up to the task anymore Tex.
When you understand that Iraq and WWII are vastly different in principle. meaning, and purpose, please educate nfe. He needs to learn what I did in
6th grade.
Later
I think your head is spinning in circles and your mouth is spewing a different line of BS at about every new 45 degreees of rotation. And the ignorance you mention is occuring at 315 degrees of the the orbit. :rolleyes:
6th grade huh. Big year for ya? I bet NFE's on his way down the Jr. High signin' up for night classes so he can catch up.....:devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I think your head is spinning in circles and your mouth is spewing a different line of BS at about every new 45 degreees of rotation. And the ignorance you mention is occuring at 315 degrees of the the orbit. :rolleyes:
6th grade huh. Big year for ya? I bet NFE's on his way down the Jr. High signin' up for night classes so he can catch up.....:devil:
Maybe you should get back to thinking for yourself. You came across much brighter, more pleasent and more reasonable.

[never_fast_enuf]

What on earth are you talking about Ultra? What "personal attack"??
You better get thicker skin if you are going to continue to hold the ideas you do.
political hack
noun
a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends [syn: machine politician]
You can find it on websters.com
As for the "people like Ultra" comment, I think it speaks for itself. People who hold the same misguided idea that if we just leave the bad men alone, they will stop trying to kill us all.

[Old Texan]

Maybe you should get back to thinking for yourself. You came across much brighter, more pleasent and more reasonable.
I'm thinking just fine, always have and nothing has changed. Just tit for tat.
Ongoing conceptions getting reinforced daily.

[Old Texan]

As for the "people like Ultra" comment, I think it speaks for itself. People who hold the same misguided idea that if we just leave the bad men alone, they will stop trying to kill us all.
After all they are just quote:
"a group of religious freaks, who are sprinked all over the world"
Damn, I'm confused, am I thinking this for myself! Or is someone trransmitting these ideas into my brain!!!!! Yikes, I need to go get me on one of them Tinfoil hats to block those mindboggling signals......:devil: :devil:
Note to John: I'm playing nice so don't lose your temper. I didn't say "Ultra Logo" Tinfoil hats 'cause I know it pisses you off for some reason......;)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

What on earth are you talking about Ultra? What "personal attack"??
You better get thicker skin if you are going to continue to hold the ideas you do.
political hack
noun
a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends [syn: machine politician]
You can find it on websters.com
As for the "people like Ultra" comment, I think it speaks for itself. People who hold the same misguided idea that if we just leave the bad men alone, they will stop trying to kill us all.
Where do you get this shit?
Terrorist attacks on US soil are in our future. I've never said that they weren't. What I have said is that our efforts in Iraq, will have no affect on this.
After all they are just quote:
"a group of religious freaks, who are sprinked all over the world"
This isn't true?

[Old Texan]

This isn't true?
Oh yeah it's true. But considering their potential and "agenda" it certainly implies an underestimation of their reach and their power.
You get indignant when we throw these points back at you, but you sure seem to have trouble admitting the magnitude of the radical Islamic threat against the "free world".
I've had a philosophy all my life that I hate bullies and I hate bullies that threaten me personally. I like to remove the threat and walk freely about my business. Like the war in Iraq or not, it is where we are working at removing as much of the threat as we possibly can. How we got there is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we are doing now.
And what we need is to tell the obstructionists and whining crybabies like the bumbling old fool Jimmy Carter, to shut up and let our miltary and caretakers of the US do their job. Carter by the way is whining again today I hear. Haven't had a chance to look at his newest rant yet but I'm sure we'll be discussing it soon.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Observation: Ultra has mentioned more than once that NFE's focus is always on money. Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Ultra is always bringing money, possesions, other's occupations based on income, oil (a form of money), and cost to him and the US citizens into account on most all issues?
So who is it that is most focused on money or perhaps driven by money? I wonder.......:idea:
I long ago noticed how supposedly republicans are "owned" by oil and pharmaceuticals, with NO mention made of the insurance companies ripping off all us "little guys".

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I didn't say "Ultra Logo" Tinfoil hats
I can get a tinfoil hat with a "Ultra" logo on it? :confused:
Are they kind of pyramidal or more "beaniesque"? :idea:
Do I have to go to an Ultra dealer, or can I mail order one somewhere?:D
Size 26 must be a BIG one, I only wear a 7 1/4.

[eliminatedsprinter]

After all they are just quote:
"a group of religious freaks, who are sprinked all over the world"
Yep, just a small group of freaks, who happen to number approx 100,000,000-200,000,000 strong. Just get Isreal to go away, use more solar power, leave them alone, and we WILL HAVE ACHIEVED PEACE IN OUR TIME.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Oh yeah it's true. But considering their potential and "agenda" it certainly implies an underestimation of their reach and their power.
You get indignant when we throw these points back at you, but you sure seem to have trouble admitting the magnitude of the radical Islamic threat against the "free world".
I've had a philosophy all my life that I hate bullies and I hate bullies that threaten me personally. I like to remove the threat and walk freely about my business. Like the war in Iraq or not, it is where we are working at removing as much of the threat as we possibly can. How we got there is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we are doing now.
And what we need is to tell the obstructionists and whining crybabies like the bumbling old fool Jimmy Carter, to shut up and let our miltary and caretakers of the US do their job. Carter by the way is whining again today I hear. Haven't had a chance to look at his newest rant yet but I'm sure we'll be discussing it soon.
Tex, those responsable for 9/11 operate from at different level than those we are engaging on the ground in Iraq. I will always see our role in combating terrorist attacks, as one of covert intelligence and not a ground war.
We apparantly we'll never agree about our role in Iraq. Becuase you view the security of the US differently than I, means nothing more than we have differing political opinions.
Who takes Carter very seriously?
Where did the tin foil hat deal come from?
I long ago noticed how supposedly republicans are "owned" by oil and pharmaceuticals, with NO mention made of the insurance companies ripping off all us "little guys".
They are ripping me off too!
Yep, just a small group of freaks, who happen to number approx 100,000,000-200,000,000 strong. Just get Isreal to go away, use more solar power, leave them alone, and we WILL HAVE ACHIEVED PEACE IN OUR TIME.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :)
ES, are you suggesting that there are 200 million Islamic terrorist/extremists world wide?

[eliminatedsprinter]

ES, are you suggesting that there are 200 million Islamic terrorist/extremists world wide?
Terrorists? No.
Extremists? Yes!
I will put it this way.
It has been estimated (based on surveys etc) that between 10%-20% of all muslims (there are approx 1,000,000,000 muslims) world wide are Fundementalist/Islamist in their beliefs and believe in concepts like holy jihad, and that infidels like Jews, Hindus, and Christians should face either conversion, death, or enslavement etc..That to me makes for some pretty scary math. Obviously most of the people who have those beliefs are not going out and acting upon their beliefs and becoming terrorists. However, they do at least emotionaly, support those who are. As much as I hate to bug you with my WWII analogies ;) I feel it is appropriate to point out, that this is a much larger number of people than Nazism ever had sharing it's equily distructive and intolerant beliefs.
P.S. The above numbers are based on studies that are a few years old now and more recent surveys and censuses indicate that Islam is the world's fastest growing religion and that it is the more extreme factions of islam that are it's fastest growing subgroups..

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Terrorists? No.
Extremists? Yes!
I will put it this way.
It has been estimated (based on surveys etc) that between 10%-20% of all muslims world wide are Fundementalist/Islamist in their beliefs and believe in concepts like holy jihad, and that infidels like Jews, Hindus, and Christians should face either conversion, death, or enslavement etc... Obviously most of the people who have those beliefs are not going out and acting upon their beliefs and becoming terrorists. However, they do at least emotionaly, support those who are. As much as I hate to bug you with my WWII analogies ;) I feel it is appropriate to point out, that this is a much larger number of people than Nazism ever had sharing it's equily distructive and intolerant beliefs.
Your WWII analogies are welcome. The nazi's were not spread out all over the world, however.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Your WWII analogies are welcome. The nazi's were not spread out all over the world, however.
I know, that is one reason we (our allies in Europe and Us) falsley believed we could isolate, contain, and control them.......
It is also why I fear that our ultimate fight with them is coming and it will be worse than anything the world has ever seen.

[Boostedballs]

[QUOTE=Old Texan;2836012]
Like the war in Iraq or not, it is where we are working at removing as much of the threat as we possibly can. How we got there is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we are doing now.
QUOTE]
In my opinion, that's a dangerous way to look at things. Maybe I read it wrong but how we got there is of utmost importance. Decisions that were made in the past need to be scrutinized; this will enable us to make better decisions in the present. Unfortunately, this will never happen with the current administration. Furthermore, all we can do is sit and watch what “we” are doing right now. Our president does not and will not listen to Americans; he is working on his agenda, not the agenda of the majority.
I am amazed with the spotlight being directed to the Democratic propaganda and away from the misinformation that has been fed to us by the Bush administration in the beginning.
*Let me see the damn footage of the airliner crashing into the Pentagon, let me hear the WHOLE message from Bin Laden, etc and I will forget about the weapons of mass destruction and the Patriot Act and have more support. Until then, this veteran will continue to be ashamed at how his tax dollars are being spent.

[Schiada76]

[QUOTE=Old Texan;2836012]
Like the war in Iraq or not, it is where we are working at removing as much of the threat as we possibly can. How we got there is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we are doing now.
QUOTE]
In my opinion, that's a dangerous way to look at things. Maybe I read it wrong but how we got there is of utmost importance. Decisions that were made in the past need to be scrutinized; this will enable us to make better decisions in the present. Unfortunately, this will never happen with the current administration. Furthermore, all we can do is sit and watch what “we” are doing right now. Our president does not and will not listen to Americans; he is working on his agenda, not the agenda of the majority.
I am amazed with the spotlight being directed to the Democratic propaganda and away from the misinformation that has been fed to us by the Bush administration in the beginning.
*Let me see the damn footage of the airliner crashing into the Pentagon, let me hear the WHOLE message from Bin Laden, etc and I will forget about the weapons of mass destruction and the Patriot Act and have more support. Until then, this veteran will continue to be ashamed at how his tax dollars are being spent.
What misinformation is that?
Enlighten us.

[Old Texan]

Your WWII analogies are welcome. The nazi's were not spread out all over the world, however.
I'm sorry John, you are thick headed......:confused:

[Old Texan]

Where did the tin foil hat deal come from?
Oh please, selective memory syndrome???? The last time I threw out the smartasse "Tinfoil Ultra Logo hat" you came unglued like a madman. Claimed I was trashing the builder or some such shit....But then I think I called it an "Aluminum" Ultra Logo hat. I guess "tinfoil" is acceptable. :idea:
Now I seethe error of my ways, you're just a nostalgic ol' fart kinda guy, huh?:devil:

[Old Texan]

[QUOTE=Old Texan;2836012]
Like the war in Iraq or not, it is where we are working at removing as much of the threat as we possibly can. How we got there is irrelevant. What is relevant is what we are doing now.
QUOTE]
In my opinion, that's a dangerous way to look at things. Maybe I read it wrong but how we got there is of utmost importance. Decisions that were made in the past need to be scrutinized; this will enable us to make better decisions in the present. Unfortunately, this will never happen with the current administration. Furthermore, all we can do is sit and watch what “we” are doing right now. Our president does not and will not listen to Americans; he is working on his agenda, not the agenda of the majority.
I am amazed with the spotlight being directed to the Democratic propaganda and away from the misinformation that has been fed to us by the Bush administration in the beginning.
*Let me see the damn footage of the airliner crashing into the Pentagon, let me hear the WHOLE message from Bin Laden, etc and I will forget about the weapons of mass destruction and the Patriot Act and have more support. Until then, this veteran will continue to be ashamed at how his tax dollars are being spent.
Friend you need to sort out the BS from the facts. If you are in anyway dialing in on the conspiracy theories, well heaven help ya.
Islamic extremism is like a plague, a disease that is slowly festering in the arab world and incubating in Muslim 3rd world nations. The dissident bored student sector in Saudi and Iran, places where the numbers allow for the determined ignorant foot soldiers and places where intelligent malcontents want to change the world. You're right on about the Dems and the Libs don't want to admit any of this or realize it ain't some religious "fad", that it's a movement aimed at the destruction of infidels.
Old Texan Dictionary: Infidel- Free, capitalistic, high tech loving, modern 21st century, boat loving mother f--kers....
You get to work on changing how those tax dollars are spent. Spend them on you and your hard working friends, or on some lazy entitlement case or an illegal wanting to gain the good life on your dime but keep his lowlife ways 'cause he's to stupid and illiterate to care to learn what the USA is alll about?????
"United States of America", it ain't a "right" it's a "Privilege". And the only way to really have a Priviledge is to earn it.
And that friend is what these bad guys want to do, deny everyone of that Priviledge.....

[ULTRA26 # 1]

In my opinion, that's a dangerous way to look at things. Maybe I read it wrong but how we got there is of utmost importance. Decisions that were made in the past need to be scrutinized; this will enable us to make better decisions in the present. Unfortunately, this will never happen with the current administration. Furthermore, all we can do is sit and watch what “we” are doing right now. Our president does not and will not listen to Americans; he is working on his agenda, not the agenda of the majority.
I am amazed with the spotlight being directed to the Democratic propaganda and away from the misinformation that has been fed to us by the Bush administration in the beginning.
*Let me see the damn footage of the airliner crashing into the Pentagon, let me hear the WHOLE message from Bin Laden, etc and I will forget about the weapons of mass destruction and the Patriot Act and have more support. Until then, this veteran will continue to be ashamed at how his tax dollars are being spent.
Welcome to the PRF. Being the one of few non Republicans in the Political Rhetoric Forum, I should warn you. If you are against the Iraqi war, if you don't believe everything this administration has told you, the natives here are primed and waiting to attack. I found it refreshing to read something other than the same ol same ol.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Welcome to the PRF. Being the one of few non Republicans in the Political Rhetoric Forum, I should warn you. If you are against the Iraqi war, if you don't believe everything this dministration has told you, the natives here are primed and waiting to attack. I found it refreshing to read something other than the same ol same ol.
That's true!! And if you ever catch up with me out on a lake, I will make you, laugh, eat great food, drink (whatever you like) and hang out with my narrow minded right wing a$$....:D :D :D So watch out bud....;)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

That's true!! And if you ever catch up with me out on a lake, I will make you, laugh, eat great food, drink (whatever you like) and hang out with my narrow minded right wing a$$....:D :D :D So watch out bud....;)
Look for the guy wearing the tin-foil hat that reads Ultra Lying Liberal. That will be me. :D :D One of these days soon. :)

[eliminatedsprinter]

Look for the guy wearing the tin-foil hat that reads Ultra Lying Liberal. That will be me. :D :D One of these days soon. :)
My wife makes fantastic fried chicken, but she sometimes gets annoyed at me, because I only let her serve right wings...;) :)

[Old Texan]

Look for the guy wearing the tin-foil hat that reads Ultra Lying Liberal. That will be me. :D :D One of these days soon. :)
Glad to see a little good spirit. We been tough on you this week....:D :D :D :D Have a good weekend.
I guess it really was the "Aluminum" that pissed you off. :idea: I didn't realize they still made tinfoil. Shows Ultra's got some class using old quality components for their products......:devil:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My wife makes fantastic fried chicken, but she sometimes gets annoyed at me, because I only let her serve right wings...;) :)
LMAO. Maybe to most of your friends. Hope you will make an exception in my case. I heard those right wings are kinda tough.
Glad to see a little good spirit. We been tough on you this week....:D :D Have a good weekend.
I guess it really was the "Aluminum" that pissed you off. :idea: I didn't realize they still made tinfoil. Shows Ultra's got some class using old quality components for their products......:devil:
Had to have the tin-foil hats done up myself. Ultra is still stuck on the aluminum dealios. :D :D
You have a great weekend too, oh ancient one :D :D (like I should be giving anyone shit about their age)

[Old Texan]

LMAO. Maybe to most of your friends. Hope you will make an exception in my case. I heard those right wings are kinda tough.
Had to have the tin-foil hats done up myself. Ultra is still stuck on the aluminum dealios. :D :D
You have a great weekend too, oh ancient one :D :D (like I should be giving anyone shit about their age)
Actually if the date is correct in your bio, ya got me by a few days....;)

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I am amazed with the spotlight being directed to the Democratic propaganda and away from the misinformation that has been fed to us by the Bush administration in the beginning.
Please, DO fill me in. :idea:
*Let me see the damn footage of the airliner crashing into the Pentagon,
I have. Are you one of the "it was a missile, not an airplane" people? Just to be clear on where you stand...................... :idea:
*let me hear the WHOLE message from Bin Laden,. Do you speak Arabic?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Actually if the date is correct in your bio, ya got me by a few days....;)
Same year? class of '69' ???

[eliminatedsprinter]

I'd better head off for the weekend!! Everyone enjoy!! And we will solve the worlds problems next week for sure!!!:idea: :)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I'd better head off for the weekend!! Everyone enjoy!! And we will solve the worlds problems next week for sure!!!:idea: :)
:D :D
Have a good weekend, ES
Think about those left wings, would ya?

[Boostedballs]

Please, DO fill me in. :idea:
I have. Are you one of the "it was a missile, not an airplane" people? Just to be clear on where you stand...................... :idea:
Do you speak Arabic?
I don't speak Arabic. The translation that we heard was censored; why is that.
You have seen the footage of the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon??? I hope you aren't talking about the crappy one from the gas station that shows nothing more than a speeding object in one frame and an explosion in the next. That could be anything, and I think that's why we are allowed to see it.
I don't believe a missile hit the Pentagon, but I don't believe a jet airliner hit it either. I do believe that our goverment wants us to think that an airliner hit it but doesn't want to let me see the footage that was taken from the highway cams. This whole thing looks too staged and this makes me lose trust in our current goverment.
The current administration is struggling to keep Americans involved in the war, obviously. One might think that if there were some form of factual evidence that could be brought to the table that would clear up doubt in Americans as to why we are fighting this war, it would have been done already. Finding a passport from a terrorist at a crash site is not going to cut it. A list of the dead hijackers (many of which have been found alive in other places) won't cut it either.
If the war is about keeping Islamic extremists at bay, tell me so. I'll fight for that.
I love this country and I would be first in line to serve again, leaving a good job behind. But until they pull the curtain back and show me what is really going on, good luck without me.
BTW- I've always voted right until last election, now I actually watch the debates.

[redneckcharlie]

Look for the guy wearing the tin-foil hat that reads Ultra Lying Liberal. That will be me. :D :D One of these days soon. :)
LMFAO! :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

LMFAO! :D
:D :D

[never_fast_enuf]

Welcome to the PRF. Being the one of few non Republicans in the Political Rhetoric Forum, I should warn you. If you are against the Iraqi war, if you don't believe everything this administration has told you, the natives here are primed and waiting to attack. I found it refreshing to read something other than the same ol same ol.
I might add that it will help tremendously if you actually provide facts to back up your opinions. It will also help when presented with facts that counter your opinions, you don't ignore them and fall back on your feelings as a crutch.
As a rabid member of the right wing conspiracy, I love when my opinions are challenged...not by other opinions but by facts that directly contradict my conclusions. THAT is how I stay honest.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I might add that it will help tremendously if you actually provide facts to back up your opinions. It will also help when presented with facts that counter your opinions, you don't ignore them and fall back on your feelings as a crutch.
As a rabid member of the right wing conspiracy, I love when my opinions are challenged...not by other opinions but by facts that directly contradict my conclusions. THAT is how I stay honest.
Politics are about opinion.
If you don't want your opinions challenged by unsupported opposing opinion, don't post opinions without factual support. Factual support and not right wing blog articles. Again, politics are about opinion.
I understand your point but you are as guilty as the next guy (other than SmokinSS), with regard to posting opinion. Not to mention that most issues seem two sets of facts depending on which side of the fence you are riding. I appreciate, as I'm sure that most of the folks here, that you have gotten over of your earlier methods and have settled more into the issues.

[never_fast_enuf]

Ultra, I stand by what I said. Yes, I post my opinion, just like the rest of us here but when that opinion is challenged, I post fact that support it. I also WELCOME you to post facts that refute my opinion. If you can do that, I will change my opinion and be more enlightened in the process.

[Schiada76]

Silly liberal, conservatives base their opinions on facts, liberals on FEELINGS, nothing more than FEELINGS.:rolleyes:
That's why you can never back up anything you say with fact or reason.:rolleyes:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Silly liberal, conservatives base their opinions on facts, liberals on FEELINGS, nothing more than FEELINGS.:rolleyes:
That's why you can never back up anything you say with fact or reason.:rolleyes:
I keep forgetting that you Republicans are so much smarter than us dumb ol Dems. :)

[Schiada76]

I keep forgetting that you Republicans are so much smarter than us dumb ol Dems. :)
Facts Ultra, try some facts.:rolleyes:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Facts Ultra, try some facts.:rolleyes:
Politics are about opinion.

[never_fast_enuf]

Politics are about opinion.
Opinions are supposed to be formulated around facts.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Opinions are supposed to be formulated around facts.
I agree except in case of politics which is formulated around horsesh*t and the desire to win.

[Schiada76]

I agree except in case of politics which is formulated around horsesh*t and the desire to win.
Only for the feelings motivated liberal wack jobs. We, as you have seen time after time, are motivated by fact. Kinda like the difference betwen men and women.
FEELINGS!!!!!!
NOTHING MORE THAN....................FEELINGS!!!!!:D :D

[redneckcharlie]

Only for the feelings motivated liberal wack jobs. We, as you have seen time after time, are motivated by fact. Kinda like the difference betwen men and women.
FEELINGS!!!!!!
NOTHING MORE THAN....................FEELINGS!!!!!:D :D
Now thats some funny shit!!!!!!:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Only for the feelings motivated liberal wack jobs. We, as you have seen time after time, are motivated by fact. Kinda like the difference betwen men and women.
FEELINGS!!!!!!
NOTHING MORE THAN....................FEELINGS!!!!!:D :D
MorrisAlbert76 :)
Your really getting deep on us there, Morris. What a man you are :2purples:

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Politics are about opinion.
Only your politics is based on horsecrap with UNSUPPORTED OPINION (well, supported by horsecrap). Most THINKING people base their opinions (and thus their politics) on facts.
You ultra, are an exception.
If you don't want your opinions challenged by unsupported opposing opinion, don't post opinions without factual support..
Just why do you keep insisting on chalenging SUPPORTED FACTS with UN-supported opinion?
Is it simply a driving desire to look stupid?
It IS very successful (at looking stupid).
factual support.
Try it sometime, it'll be refreshing, to everyone.
most issues seem two sets of facts depending on which side of the fence you are riding.
Why not post the ones on YOUR side of the fence, if there really ARE any there. :idea:
Facts Ultra, try some facts.:rolleyes:
Finding them is too trivial, unless you pay him to find them. :idea:
Now, on to new business:
Since you claim to be a GI, Thank you for your prior service Boosted.
Now that basic decency and decorum have been addressed, we shall see if it is to be maintained, or if I am dealing with a paranoid loon.
I have not always shown ultra the distain I do, he earned it.
I don't speak Arabic. The translation that we heard was censored; why is that .
First off, where is the proof it was censored?
Seccondly, since you do not understand the spoken language, and Bin-Laden does not record it in English, it will HAVE TO BE translated.
Whose translation will you accept.
ESPECIALLY, whose will you accept if it just happens to MATCH the US GOVT translation?
I don't believe a missile hit the Pentagon, but I don't believe a jet airliner hit it either.
So, what did?
I do believe that our goverment wants us to think that an airliner hit it but doesn't want to let me see the footage that was taken from the highway cams. .
Which highway cams?
Does Wash DC have cameras all over the highway system all over DC just like London England does?
Which ones are you being denied access to that showed anything but parking lot?
Which businesses in the area, installed the special mondo-dollar (expensive) HD-quality 500frame/sec shutter speed full color surveilance security cameras, and then aimed them at a building 1/2 mile away instead of at their own parking lots and doors?
crappy one from the gas station that shows nothing more than a speeding object in one frame and an explosion in the next. That could be anything, and I think that's why we are allowed to see it.
That is the result of a standard 1 frame every 1/2 seccond security camera, very comon, all over the country, when looking at an airplane that covers 733 feet in a seccond (500mph).
A list of the dead hijackers (many of which have been found alive in other places) won't cut it either.
Are you actually going to want to argue this, or am I going to go get the Wichita Kansas telephone book and see just how many different places the only John Smith lives in town, then see how many places the only one alive owns in LA, and that he faked his death back in 1979, and 84, and 97, and last year.
From my trips overseas, I happen to know 3 men named Mahmood, none were the same man.
I also met Shaquile Oneal in Turkey, on a beach in Adana, on the Mediteranean coast. I rented some beach furniture from him, and a kayak, he was far less than 7' tall, and just happened to NOT be black.
Man, he looks different on TV in that NBA uniform.
Live, I don't think he weighed over about 175 pounds, and was almost exactly my height (6')

[SmokinLowriderSS]

I might add that it will help tremendously if you actually provide facts to back up your opinions. It will also help when presented with facts that counter your opinions, you don't ignore them and fall back on your feelings as a crutch.
Lessee, to quote a song I happen to know (So does Froggystyle, I am certain :D :D )............
Why Am I Waiting?
I Could Be Fornicating.
Why Am I Waiting,
So F###ing Long?