WHICH ONES BETTER? [Archive]

RECORD7JET

10-01-2003, 02:23 PM

THE INTAKE FOR THE JET. SOMEONE TOLD ME THERES A LOW PROFILE & HIGH PROFILE INTAKE. MINE HANGS DOWN FROM THE BOTTOM, IS THAT GOING TO SLOW ME DOWN FROM DRAG? IT ALSO MAKES IT WERE THE RIDE PLATE HAS A GAP BETWEEN PLATE & BOTTOM. I HAD A RACE PUMP INSTALLED W/SHOE,RIDE PLATE NOW IT SEEMS TO BE FARTHER OUT OF BOAT THAN OLD ONE WICH WAS FLUSH WITH BOTTOM I WOULD POST PICS BUT NEVER DID IT YET SO CANT frown

Jake W

10-01-2003, 06:55 PM

I assume that it is not set out the back of the boat?If its not then they probely sanded or grinded the curved part off the back of the keelat the transom to be able to get the ride plate to the intake this would make it so that the ride plate would hang below the bottom at this spot.Post a pic of it and I am sure some one can tell you what the deal is.I have never heard of a high and low intake but does not mean there is not one.
Jake :D

screamdreambrad

10-01-2003, 10:09 PM

all i know is, there are 4 degree and 5 degree intakes. now if you are talkin loaders, there is so many different types, shapes and so forth i can't even begin. the cheap loaders have angle iron hanging down (stingers) cut that off even with the keel. you are draggin so much water in with those, and yes slowin you down. ramp angle,stinger length, amount of blocker. is all important to making it haul ass. before you start, put a pump pressure guage on it so you can tell what you're doing. $100.00 for a tattle tale guage. worth its weight in gold. brad

Jake W

10-02-2003, 06:12 AM

When you set the intake it is set in at a certin degree.4 or 5.It is perfered at 4deg.
Jake :D

MAXIMUS

10-02-2003, 06:57 AM

screamdreambrad:
all i know is, there are 4 degree and 5 degree intakes. now if you are talkin loaders, there is so many different types, shapes and so forth i can't even begin. the cheap loaders have angle iron hanging down (stingers) cut that off even with the keel. you are draggin so much water in with those, and yes slowin you down. ramp angle,stinger length, amount of blocker. is all important to making it haul ass. before you start, put a pump pressure guage on it so you can tell what you're doing. $100.00 for a tattle tale guage. worth its weight in gold. brad Hey brad what guage are you speaking of? I need a good tattle tale type... :confused:

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 09:03 AM

PRESSURE IN PUMP AT 68MPH IS 21-22 PSI. BOAT WENT 75.4 BEFORE DOING MODS WITH WEEK 454 IN IT. THE LOADER OR SPEED GRATE DOSENT HANG DOWN PAST INTAKE BUT INTAKE IS ABOUT 1/2"-3/4" OUT OF BOTTOM. YOU CAN PUT YOUR FINGER BETWEEN RIDE PLATE & BOTTOM. IVE GOT PICS BUT TO DUMB TO GET THEM ON SITE. CAN SOMONE SCHOOL ME ON HOW TO POST PICS?

THE BOSTON SIDEWINDER

10-02-2003, 09:32 AM

I'M IN THAT BOAT TOO. HELP! HOW THE H**L DO YOU POST PICS?...BILL.

BubbleJet

10-02-2003, 10:15 AM

I would like to see pics too! :D Go to this link http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000682#000000 and follow the instructions for posting pics. Good luck!

Jake W

10-02-2003, 02:01 PM

Two fingers sounds like way too much is it a Vbottom or a tunnel?Is your intake set with seagoing apox or in (silicone)seeeing a pic would really help.Do this take a stright edge and put it infront of the intake in the center and down the center of the intale the very front of the intake should hit the stright edge and so should the very back of the shoe.You will probely have to take off the ride plate to do this.
Jake :D

Cs19

10-02-2003, 05:50 PM

Im having a hard time understanding what Record7jet is asking here.
As far as the low profile versus a normal intake. Well a low profile is an intake for a high performance race boat. Not many guys are running them on the river, unless they are hard core river racers. Im not sure if you can just go buy one, miersch (sp?) had one available for a while, and i do not know how well they work and if they are still available.The only low pros i have come across were the ones that were custom made and they started out as a berkeley standard intake and were then highly modified.
You also mentioned something was hanging down from your intake and you were worried about drag, im assuming your talking about the fins that hang down.I dont think you need to worry about those, they are fine. However on some race boats i have seen them shortened quite a bit. What speeds and hull are you running?
I cant think of what else would be hanging down? maybe a grate or a shoe? Lets hope its not the front part of the intake which should be blending with the keel.Now if thats hanging down , you have some issues to work out. Get some pics. Email them to us.Later

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 07:27 PM

cs19 YOU'VE GOT MAIL. I SENT SOME PICS. NOTHINGS HANGING OUT EXCEPT THE WHOLE INTAKE SEEMS TO HANG DOWN TO FAR. BOAT WENT 75.9GPS :) LAST YEAR WITH AN A IMPELLER BERKLY, DROOP & PLACDIVERTER RED INCERT(STOCK SIZE) 350-375HP TOPS 454. I BOUGHT A RACE PUMP W/SS B IMPELLER SHOE, RIDEPLATE, REMOVED HOOK,ADDED SPOON SHAPED HUMP BEFORE INTAKE & MOTOR WITH 525HP. I KNOW I ADDED WAY TO MANY THINGS AT ONCE BUT ONLY HAD ONE SHOOT TO DO IT. HOPEFULLY IF YOU GUYS SEE THE PICS YOU CAN SEE WHAT IM TRING TO SAY(1 PICS WORTH A MILLION WORDS)

Cs19

10-02-2003, 08:14 PM

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Jake W

10-02-2003, 08:57 PM

All I see is abunch of red Xs.
Jake :D

Cs19

10-02-2003, 09:02 PM

are you serious? i see them all. maybe its because he emailed them to me and they are in my email or something?? they are not hosted on ***boat, if i forward it to someone cant they post them? or how do i get the pics to show up if he sent me an email with the pics attached...? i thought i had to host them somewhere online. :confused: either way i see them from here. :confused:

Jake W

10-02-2003, 09:06 PM

CS 19 when you go to down loat go to AOL down loads and then put them in the image center then bla bla.
Jake

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 09:23 PM

:rolleyes: I MADE A MISS PRINT IT'S 75.4 NOT 75.9GPS. DONT WANT TO START OFF AS A LIAR THERES PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT LATER :D

Cs19

10-02-2003, 09:28 PM

i dont have aol. i think i got it though.thanks jake. :D
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RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 09:32 PM

cs19. DID YOU SEE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT? AM I CRAZY? OR WORSE MAYBE I WAS RIGHT? frown

Jake W

10-02-2003, 09:40 PM

This is what it looks like to me it looks like they did not grind off the back of the keel after the intake just lowered it untill the ride plate would fit on.From how my boat is done and other boats I have seen this is not done the corect way.Did a shop do this or a friend?When you put an intake in you should either use a eltronic level or the stright edge aproach both begining with the front of the intake being flush with the bottom of the hull.Then with the elt level set it at 4 deg.Or with the stright edge run it down the keel let the front of the intake hit it and then let the back of the shoe (with out any shims)hit it and that should be close enough.This set up of yours looks way too deep.
Jake :confused:

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 09:50 PM

THE PUMP THAT WAS IN IT BEFORE WAS PRETTY FLUSH WITH THE BOTTOM. I LOOKED AT A FRIEND THAT HAD SAME MAKE & MODLE HULL & HIS WAS ALMOST COMPLETLY FLUSH WITH BOTTOM. BUT HE HAS A DOMINATOR IN HIS. WILL THEY SIT DIFFERANT?

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 09:55 PM

ALSO IVE SEEN SOME WERE THE RIDE PLATE WAS FARTHER IN THE BOAT SO THAT THEY FLATENED THE V AT THE BACK A LITTLE TO GET THE PLATE TO SET FLAT AGAINST BOTTOM WITH SHOE ALMOST NOT SEEN FROM SIDE.

Jake W

10-02-2003, 09:56 PM

There is alot of things changed from the orignal intake.I know it sounds like I am saying put it flush agine and you are like then why did I add a shoe.If you look at a stock intake where the back of the intake is it is inset alittle.On a shoed intake it is not being that the shoe is raised.I would call Jack at MPD .Some one want to back me up he might belive you.
Jake :D

Jake W

10-02-2003, 09:58 PM

Your last post is exactly what I am telling you to do.
Jake idea

RECORD7JET

10-02-2003, 10:08 PM

WOOOOOWEE :) THANK GOD IM NOT CRAZY! THAT IS WHAT YOU MEAN , RIGHT? :confused: BUY THE WAY THANKS cs19 FOR POSTING THE PICS. EVEN IF IM MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING

Jake W

10-02-2003, 10:17 PM

OK you are confusing the hell out of me.This is what I am saying the intake was set too low it needs to be reset further up in the hull to where you have to flaten the back of the bottom out.It is a big deal you need to fix it.but first run a stright edge about 3 feet long down the bottom of your boat past the intake if the stright edge has a gap at any place on the very bottom of the v it is wrong.
Jake :confused:

screamdreambrad

10-02-2003, 10:21 PM

maximus, i got my pressure guage at hoke controls in corona, ca. the guage is a noshok 25-300-100 mip they only sell wholesale so give 'em a co. name. don't forget the (mip) thats the tattletale part. maximum indicator pointer. 1/4 inch npt bottom 2.5" glycerine filled face. brad

Cs19

10-02-2003, 10:22 PM

Who made that shoe? why does it have that step or lip hanging off the back?. it looks like if the intake was higher (which i think it should be) that step would interfere with the hull big time. That would require major grinding to clearance that out.
Heres mine, it was set by one of the best around.Compare the shoe to ride plate relationship and the depth of the rear of the intake.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/409DCP00781-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/409DCP00784-med.JPG

Jake W

10-02-2003, 10:24 PM

You give a guy books and he builds a bonfire :D .Record7jet I hope you get the problem worked out.
Jake :rolleyes:

Jake W

10-02-2003, 10:30 PM

CS is right it is a very thick shoe.Yes CS on a a vbottom if the intake is not set back out of the hull the back of the v has to be ground off.Mine is done that way and Jack at MPD told me to do it this way. idea
Jake

Jake W

10-02-2003, 10:40 PM

CS 19 a question for you what are the allen head blots in the center of your ride plate for a stiffner?
Thanks Jake

RECORD7JET

10-03-2003, 06:32 AM

THATS WHAT I WAS TRING TO SAY. MINE HAS BIG GAP WERE RIDE PLATE IS SUPOSE TO BE AGAINST BOTTOM OF BOAT. LIKE cs19 RIDE PLATE DOES NOT HAVE GAP. ANY ONE ESLE HOT PICS OF THERE SHOE & RIDE PLATE? MY BOTTOM LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE HB's BOTTOM EXCEPT FOR THIS PROBLEM. WHEN I PUT TRANSUM ADAPTER OR COVER ON THE BIG O RING WASENT IN COVER AT THE TOP & USED A LOT OF SILICON TO SEAL THE TOP. SHOP TOLD ME THATS THE WAY ITS SUPOSE TO BE

RECORD7JET

10-03-2003, 11:02 AM

I BOUGHT THE PUMP FROM GT BOATS FOR $1500 REBULT+ TRADE IN ON MY OLD ONE. HE GOT IT USED & SAID HE ORIGANALY BIULT IT FOR THAT GUY YRS AGO. THE GUY WRECKED, SANK THE BOAT OR SOMTHING LIKE THAT. ITS SUPOSE TO HAVE B STAINLESS IMPELLER & SOME PRICIE SUPER STRONG IMPELLER SHAFT. I DONT KNOW WHY IT HAS A STEP ON PLATE. I HAD GT BOATS DO ALL THE WORK ON OFF SEASON. THEY HAD IT FOR 4-5 DAYS TO REMOVE HOOK,SPEED COAT, PUT SPOON SHAPE HUMP INFRONT OF INTAKE & INSTALL PUMP THAT ALLREADY SHO & PLATE ON IT. IT LOOKED LIKE REAL NICE JOB, BUT IVE BEEN WONDERING WHY ITS SO FAR OUT OF THE BOTTOM EVER SINCE. IVE GOT SOME PICS OF THE BOTTOM WHEN THEY WERE WORKING ON IT THAT WILL SHOW THE INAKE BETTER. TONIGHT I'LL LOAD THEM ON PC. CAN YOU POST THEM FOR ME cs19?

pops1

10-03-2003, 11:13 AM

RECORD7JET:
My understanding is Jeff Bennett/Jack set HBs Intake- Follow the Model- I can't follow what you have in the gap department. You sure cannot get help from photos. Someone needs to be there to guide you or take it to there shop for help.

Cs19

10-03-2003, 11:43 AM

JAKE, yes they are tensioners. The plates have been warping in that are so we used a different grade of 5/16 aluminum instead of the normal 1/4 and ran a new style tensioner down the plate like you see in the photo.The results have been good from the guys who have ran them.

Jake W

10-03-2003, 12:52 PM

Thanks CS 19 do you have a pic of the top of the ride plate?
Pops is right if GT boats set up your intake I would question them about it and ask why it is so deep of at what angle they set it in at.
On the bubble in front of the intake I have asked befor if it was needed on a v bottom and thought it was not only on a tunnel?Though I have seen a v bottom that ran in exces of 100 that they were setting the intake back further so that the center of the shoe was at the transom.I have not heard the results of them doing this.It had a small bubble built on it.
Jake :D