ChetCapoli

[HBjet]

Hey Chet, how is the boat running? Good? Remember all of that work you did to the bottom and all of that nonsense with extending the inside stakes to the transom, and how it's going to make your boat faster... etc.
Well, bottom Guru Jeff Bennett is working on my boat, and he strongly suggested that we don't extend mine on my hull, or any hull like mine for that matter. I tried and tried to tell him that it works, my buddy Chet did it.... But he still said it's not good.... So, what do you make of this?
Anyways, here is the progress on my hull, and for fun, we'll put up the latest we have seen of your hull.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix013.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix015.jpg
And my buddy Chets!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20chettransom.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20chet2-med.jpg
HBjet

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
all of that nonsense with extending the inside stakes to the transom, and how it's going to make your boat faster... etc.
Well, bottom Guru Jeff Bennett is working on my boat, and he strongly suggested that we don't extend mine on my hull, or any hull like mine for that matter.
HBjet Of course he would say that hb! There is one thing though which i'm sure you already know...mine is called a DELTA PAD bottom and your is not(ie. FLAT vs ROUNDED.). Guess what? That simple design change makes my hull NOT like yours. :) Yours will rock side to side(chine walk, ie. dangerous) with strakes to the end where as mine are kinda like "training wheels" to balance it.....you knew that thought right? :D Like i have said time and time again my boat runs like it's on rails. Now that i'm into it if you must know, i might have to "step" those stakes around the intake area a bit so i can get more bow rise since the boat seems to be riding too flat in the water. No matter what though HB, YOUR HULL IS THE TICKET, no pump "majic" BS or dyno "majic" BS or motor "majic" BS is the reason for you to be able to run that speed. As much as you want everyone is cyberland to know otherwise.....
My question is...you were getting your motor freshened up...why didnt you do this project during and not after the motor was done? Then again knowing you these pics were taken while the motor was getting done and you didnt want to mention it.
your buddy, argue
CHET

[cal***boat]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20pump002-med.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix015.jpg
Randy are you going to have Jeff move the intake back while he is blueprinting the bottom. ?
It looks like you have the same intake & pump setup my 78 Brendella had in it some years back. I had GTH Performance move my intake back when he did the bottom and it sure made a big improvement in the performance.

[HBjet]

No, we are not moving the intake. If we where to move the intake, it would only be 1" back, and the amount of money it would cost to do that, then modify a transom adapter would not justify the gain I would get with my particular setup.
I have an entire write-up on my boat ans removing the hook with a ton a photo's over on www.op6c.com (http://www.op6c.com) in the jet section. Check it out.
HBjet

[AZKC]

Jeez, HB you take your boat apart as much as I do :) But at least your improving yours I'm just trying to get mine running/stay running :D
KC

[sidewound]

KEEP AT IT KC!

[sanger mike]

shit HB, I just looked at the pics on the other site jawdrop nice job. I should talk to jack about this while my boat is there. is jeff all booked up on time. this one should shut up the nay sayers. :D I knew you were looking for a 100mph. keep up the good work :cool:
HB just raised the bar. now where's all the shit talkers. OH YEA there all out workin on there shit NOW. :p
[ July 27, 2003, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: sanger mike ]

[HBjet]

sanger mike:
now where's all the shit talkers.Oh, I bet they will be around to get on my shit about how I should have done all of the work myself. Just get a straight piece of metal and go to town. They will say I'm afraid of sandpaper, and blueprinting a hull is as easy as making a PB&J sandwhich!
Well, I don't like PB&J sandwhiches, and I'm not an aerodynamics expert. (I bet Blown472 is though)
SM, You should talk to Jack about your hull and have him take a look at it this week. Jeff I believe has some free time for the next few weeks, and even into Sept. We where going to do this after the CBBB, but everyone (Dave, Jack, and Jeff) was free for this weekend, so we went for it.
Here are some more photos!
You'll noice my boat is at MPD and we had to move yours outside. And when I got there I started taking photo's of your hull (I remembered) but Jack came up to me and said he already sent them. So, I didn't forget, just late.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3flip003.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3flip005.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3hook001.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3hook002.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix002.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix005.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix011.jpg
HBjet
[ July 27, 2003, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[HBjet]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix013.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix019.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix020.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix026.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix028.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix030.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix031.jpg
To see all of the photo's of the entire process, check out www.op6c.com (http://www.op6c.com) under the Jet/V-drive section.
HBjet
[ July 27, 2003, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[82SleekCraft]

HBjet
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/3fix020.jpgThat is not an HVLP gun. Aren't those now illegal to use in California?

[HBjet]

82SleekCraft:
That is not an HVLP gun. Aren't those now illegal to use in California? I have no idea...... If so, why would they be illegal?
HBjet

[82SleekCraft]

HBjet:
82SleekCraft:
That is not an HVLP gun. Aren't those now illegal to use in California? I have no idea...... If so, why would they be illegal?
HBjet This is what most High Volume Low Pressure (HVLP) guns look like
http://www.hvlp.com/images/a8000_small.gif
The older siphon-fed guns put 20% of the paint on to the car/boat while putting 80% of it into the air, thus, causing more pollution. HVLP guns put 90% of the paint on to the car/boat, thus, polluting the air a lot less. I remember these being outlawed for commercial use around the same time they stopped producing R-12 refrigerant (Freon 12). This must've been around 1998 or 1999.

[MikeF]

Looks slipperier HBJET :D !
I think you just might beat that RED Rogers!

[Jungle Boy]

Nice job. Hope you see your 100 MPH mark.

[HBjet]

Jungle Boy:
Nice job. Hope you see your 100 MPH mark. Well, that would be great, but I still think we may come up a little short. We'll see. I'm just curious to find out how much different the ride it going to be. Should be interesting.
MikeF, that Red Rogers is fast, and it's his fault for me doing the bottom. I gave him a ride in some chop and he told me I need to get that hull fixed. So I did.
HBjet :D

[HavasuDreamin']

HBjet:
Jungle Boy:
Nice job. Hope you see your 100 MPH mark. Well, that would be great, but I still think we may come up a little short. Small NOS shot should take care of that.

[THOR]

I heard a rumor some time ago that there were some hulls manufactured without a hook.
Is this true?

[cyclone]

me and my big mouth. i'm such a chump. i should have just let you keep driving it with an inch of hook in the bottom and kept my mouth shut.
"no man she hops great on the top end! I wouldn't change a thing!"
:D

[HBjet]

cyclone:
me and my big mouth. i'm such a chump. i should have just let you keep driving it with an inch of hook in the bottom and kept my mouth shut.
"no man she hops great on the top end! I wouldn't change a thing!"
:D Thanks Mike, but having friends like you is expensive!
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sanger mike:
[qb]now where's all the shit talkers.Oh, I bet they will be around to get on my shit about how I should have done all of the work myself. Just get a straight piece of metal and go to town. They will say I'm afraid of sandpaper, and blueprinting a hull is as easy as making a PB&J sandwhich!
Well, I don't like PB&J sandwhiches, and I'm not an aerodynamics expert. (I bet Blown472 is though)
SM, You should talk to Jack about your hull and have him take a look at it this week. Jeff I believe has some free time for the next few weeks, and even into Sept. We where going to do this after the CBBB, but everyone (Dave, Jack, and Jeff) was free for this weekend, so we went for it.
Nope, I am a mechanical engineer. You know hbjet it is a boat, you take it out run it around whatever, unlike you I am ok having a small dick, you on the otherhand are overcompensating.

[sanger mike]

HB, I just got off the phone with jack. after he set's the intake he's going to have jeff look at it. :D thanks. looks like the sanger is geting turned over.
OH, now were talking about our dick's. come on blown. it doesn't look like MissHB is complaining to me. :p

[wrightnow]

sanger mike:
HB, I just got off the phone with jack. after he set's the intake he's going to have jeff look at it. :D thanks. looks like the sanger is geting turned over.
OH, now were talking about our dick's. come on blown. it doesn't look like MissHB is complaining to me. :p Sanger Mike, I will be down at Jack's tonight, I will take a few pic's for you and posdt them.
Mark

[sanger mike]

thanks mark. :cool:

[wrightnow]

sanger mike:
thanks mark. :cool: BTW, What happended to the deck? It's a shame..

[Bense468]

Randy, The boat looks bitchen and I am sure that it will perform better also. 450 is not that bad when it accecents all of the other money and time you have spent. You are right Jeff Bennet is the shit when it comes to bottoms. There is just one little thing I was thinking while reading this.
Why would you go through all of this when you say you want to be in a CP in a year or so. I just think you are never going to get your money back out of this boat, when you already have plans to move on. With all of the work you put into it. I would keep it, re-gell it and be done with it (for a while). Liberty's are good boats. Sometimes hard to find good ones.

[HBjet]

Bense468:
Why would you go through all of this when you say you want to be in a CP in a year or so. I just think you are never going to get your money back out of this boat, when you already have plans to move on. Bense468:
Liberty's are good boats. Sometimes hard to find good ones. You answered your question for me! Liberty's are great boats, and when it comes time to move to a CP, I'll be taking my motor and pump with me and just sell the hull with full interior, gauges, everything but the motor and pump. I think I would get a what I want out of selling this hull especially after having Jeff work on the bottom, and having new interior and the gelcoat is in pretty good condition.
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Bense468:
Why would you go through all of this when you say you want to be in a CP in a year or so. I just think you are never going to get your money back out of this boat, when you already have plans to move on. Bense468:
Liberty's are good boats. Sometimes hard to find good ones. You answered your question for me! Liberty's are great boats, and when it comes time to move to a CP, I'll be taking my motor and pump with me and just sell the hull with full interior, gauges, everything but the motor and pump. I think I would get a what I want out of selling this hull especially after having Jeff work on the bottom, and having new interior and the gelcoat is in pretty good condition.
HBjet That and everyone will know it came from the king of jets.

[Bense468]

I knew that is what you were going to do. Anway if you find a pump for a reasonable price you probably should pick it up. I think it will help it sell. A lot of people are okay with going and having a motor built. Or they already have one but don't have pumps and are intimidated (SP) by them. I think it might help it sell with a pump.
Anyway good luck. The work looks great. Hope you are happy with it because thats what boating is all about.

[sanger mike]

wrightnow:
sanger mike:
thanks mark. :cool: BTW, What happended to the deck? It's a shame.. well the boat used to belong to the Bostrom family from AMA superbike racing. they kept the boat in their back yard under a shed. well a tree branch went through it. :( I need to fix it. I figerd I'll just wait untill I paint it.

[Bense468]

My best friend races AMA with them. I have seen Ben and Eric many times at the races. Ben is back in the AMA. Sorry to hear about the deck. That sucks.
[ July 28, 2003, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[wrightnow]

sanger mike:
wrightnow:
sanger mike:
thanks mark. :cool: BTW, What happended to the deck? It's a shame.. well the boat used to belong to the Bostrom family from AMA superbike racing. they kept the boat in their back yard under a shed. well a tree branch went through it. :( I need to fix it. I figerd I'll just wait untill I paint it. Thats a bummer, but it sure is a nice looking boat..

[hboldno7]

The Bottom looks bitchen hbjet. You sure do know how to keep yourself busy.

[cyclone]

and its just going to keep on escalating until one of us takes flight :D ...

[sanger mike]

Bense468:
My best friend races AMA with them. I have seen Ben and Eric many times at the races. Ben is back in the AMA. Sorry to hear about the deck. That sucks. hey bense468, the bostroms grew up here in colma, which is where the cow palace is, basicaly S.F. :cool: you should have seen ben and eric flat track out at lodi when they were kids. I think they poped out of their momas whom with a motorcycle straped to their ass.
[ July 28, 2003, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: sanger mike ]

[Bense468]

yeah my buddy was at a flat track school out here and eric showed up to run around with them there too. A lot of ama guys run flat track also. It helps them lock that rear brake and slide it around before they drop in. Faster way of running. Sorry to hijack the thread HB.

[XClutchboy725]

Man, I just can't keep up with the HBJets and Cyclones of the world! :(
I give up!!
I have to admit though, It is nice to read about what the two of you do and the results you get. Then it's easy for the rest of us to decide what we are going to do. It's kinda like having your own virtual R&D department! :D :D
Just don't be calling me out this year! I can't hang anymore!!!!!!!!!!!
[ July 28, 2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: XClutchboy725 ]

[DogHouse]

Blown 472:
Nope, I am a mechanical engineer. You know hbjet it is a boat, you take it out run it around whatever, unlike you I am ok having a small dick, you on the otherhand are overcompensating. Where did you go to school?

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
unlike you I am ok having a small dick, you on the otherhand are overcompensating. You know, I just don't get this one when guys my age making less then me are out financing 100K+ boats...
How am I "Overcompensating"?
Man you are a piece of work Blown!
HBjet

[cyclone]

clutchboy- i've got no idea what you're talking about. my boat is slow and my motor is bogus and so are the dyno numbers. :D

[HBjet]

cyclone:
clutchboy- i've got no idea what you're talking about. my boat is slow and my motor is bogus and so are the dyno numbers. :D Ditto!
HBjet :D

[LakesOnly]

HBjet:
82SleekCraft:
That is not an HVLP gun. Aren't those now illegal to use in California? I have no idea...... If so, why would they be illegal?
HBjet I shot paint for years. That is a Binks Model 18 Siphon Cup finish gun. It is now highly illegal to use in the state of California because of the exhorbitant amount of overspray released into the atmospere. So is applying the compound outside of a spray booth. Be careful; that's a super hefty citation waiting to happen.
Oh, by the way, I did the same thing with the same damn model spray gun two weeks ago! Shot a car in the driveway.
Right on!
LO
[ July 28, 2003, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: LakesOnly ]

[LVjetboy]

Debating paint guns?! Tree huggers can't see the forest for the trees. What about the "little" glitch of population and growth control? Now there's a taboo topic. The essence of the problem. So the root goes unchallenged while the source continues to grow.
Comes a point no matter how efficient or enviromentally frekin' paint gun correct you are...the end is clear. Resources are limited. Growth seems not to be. The end result...inevitable. No matter how religious, right-to-life or recycle-oriented put those plastic crates on the curb you be. The end result is inevitable. Even with our supposed greater than animal and king-of-the-food-chain brain power; religion, child birth taboos and the quest for money (development rules?) will reign supreme over common sense and logic to the very end...
What this has to do with chet, I have no clue.
jer
[ July 28, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

[HBjet]

LVjetboy:
What this has to do with chetWell, don't you remember Chet was working on his hull for a year, and he extended the inside strakes. I told him that would be a bad idea, and he insisted I was wrong.... So, since I was having the bottom of my hull fixed by the best. I asked him what he thought, and he too agreed with me.... So, I wanted to know what Chet would have to say, and, we haven't heard much from him lately..... Hopefully he's out there running his boat!
HBjet

[LVjetboy]

Hopefully he's out there running his boat!Hmmm...wonder about that too. In fact, his old GPS speed bogus? I'd like to see the same proof of his engine and speed numbers as you've given of yours. Probably never happen tho.
jer

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
So, I wanted to know what Chet would have to say, and, we haven't heard much from him lately..... Hopefully he's out there running his boat!
HBjet HMM...actually i did post now didnt i?? Maybe the best doesnt tell you things he would tell other people cuz he know you are the LOUDSPEAKER on the ***boat boards??? He's just gotta love all the pics of his work(and him using illegal sprayguns, lol) on the ol internet for sure.
Actually HB, a serious question for you...do you know what kind of fiberglass or bondo he was using?? Was it duraglass? Reason i ask is it really didnt look like the best stuff so i was curious. Figured he would have used a litte resin and matt for the big fill areas.
CHET

[ChetCapoli]

[ July 29, 2003, 06:46 AM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Maybe the best doesnt tell you things he would tell other people cuz he know you are the LOUDSPEAKER on the ***boat boards???HAHA! Jeff didn't even know I was on the boards until he was already working on my boat, and I asked him that question before any talk of the boards came up.
ChetCapoli:
He's just gotta love all the pics of his work(and him using illegal sprayguns, lol) on the ol internet for sure.What's even funnier Chet is he gave me his personal email address to send him a copy of the photo's and send him photo's of the boat running this weekend
ChetCapoli:
Actually HB, a serious question for you...do you know what kind of fiberglass or bondo he was using?? Was it duraglass? Reason i ask is it really didnt look like the best stuff so i was curious. Figured he would have used a litte resin and matt for the big fill areas.
CHET I don't know what he was using, and I'm sure an Aerodynamics engineer would know when to us matt and when not to use it. Everything he used was a Resin base except for the speed coat. Maybe your on to something there Chet. It won't be the first time a Vending Machine repair man taught an Aerodynamics Engineer (who worked on the team to solve why the space shuttle crashed on 2/1/03) a thing or two about what material to use, and how the bottom of a boat hull should be. Especially when the engineer had a hand in building the original Liberty!
You tell him Chet!
HBjet :D

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

It won't be the first time a Vending Machine repair man taught an Aerodynamics Engineer You sure do make alot of comments about what people do for a living. What is that you do? where do you work?
Omega

[Blown 472]

OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
It won't be the first time a Vending Machine repair man taught an Aerodynamics Engineer You sure do make alot of comments about what people do for a living. What is that you do? where do you work?
Omega Jesus, omega now we will get another two weeks of dancing around the question and calling us tools, didcha have to go and do that now?? :D
[ July 29, 2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Blown 472 ]

[HBjet]

I work for a telecommunications company. No, I can't get you a new cordless phone for the garage. We only sell business telephones for large companies. If a company has less then 500 extensions, we don't bother.
Actually, one of our customers posts on this site.
Where do I work? In sunny Southern California.
HBjet
[ July 29, 2003, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[pops1]

HBjet:
No, we are not moving the intake. If we where to move the intake, it would only be 1" back, and the amount of money it would cost to do that, then modify a transom adapter would not justify the gain I would get with my particular setup.
HBjet H.B. it looks to me like you could move your pump back 4-5" in the photo-your hand hole is in or half way in is it not.
Transom plates are the way to go if you want to get to your bowl & impeller quick. The box is old school. Do away with the box -Easy to make yourself out of plate stock and a card board
pattern. Anyway good luck on your new non-hooker bottom.
Most all molds have hooks from heat build up.

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
I work for a telecommunications company. No, I can't get you a new cordless phone for the garage. We only sell business telephones for large companies. If there less then 500 extensions, we don't bother.
Actually, one of our customers posts on this site.
Where do I work, in sunny Southern California.
HBjet And just what is your job title?

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales So you are a phone salesmen???
And what does this gig entail??? your daily routine.
[ July 29, 2003, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Blown 472 ]

[HBjet]

pops1:
H.B. it looks to me like you could move your pump back 4-5" in the photo-your hand hole is in or half way in is it not.The hand hole is half way in/out of the transom.
pops1:
Transom plates are the way to go if you want to get to your bowl & impeller quick. The box is old school. Do away with the box -Easy to make yourself out of plate stock and a card board
pattern. Anyway good luck on your new non-hooker bottom.Actually, I can remove my bowl and get to my impeller really easy. I had Jack machine the adapter so it sits flush with the ring on the suction piece. There is still silicone on the outside, but all I need to do is cut through that, undo the bolts on the inside, and pull off the bowl but the adapter is still siliconed to the suction piece. When I re-install the bowl, I'll just add another bead of silicone again.
HBjet

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales So you are a phone salesmen???
And what does this gig entail??? your daily routine. Do you really want to know, or are you just trying to increase your post count again?
BTW, what does telephones have to do with boating?
HBjet
[ July 29, 2003, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales So you are a phone salesmen???
And what does this gig entail??? your daily routine. Do you really want to know, or are you just trying to increase your post count again?
BTW, what does telephones have to do with boating?
HBjet the same thing that vending machine repair has to do with aerodynamics. Just playing the game bud wink
Omega

[HBjet]

OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
the same thing that vending machine repair has to do with aerodynamics. Just playing the game bud wink
Omega No, it's not because the Aerodynamics guy was performing the work on my hull and a Vending machine guy who has done the work himself on his hull is basically saying the Aerodynamics guy doesn't know what he's doing. What do you think? That's why I brought up the professions because those professions will show where that persons expertise is. If I was installing a gum ball machine in my boat, I would probably listen to Chet before Jeff. But I'm not installing one, I'm having my hull blue printed, so I would listen to the Aerodynamics guy. Make sense now?
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales So you are a phone salesmen???
And what does this gig entail??? your daily routine. Do you really want to know, or are you just trying to increase your post count again?
BTW, what does telephones have to do with boating?
HBjet Nothing, just answer the question please.

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

HBjet:
OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
the same thing that vending machine repair has to do with aerodynamics. Just playing the game bud wink
Omega No, it's not because the Aerodynamics guy was performing the work on my hull and a Vending machine guy who has done the work himself on his hull is basically saying the Aerodynamics guy doesn't know what he's doing. What do you think? That's why I brought up the professions because those professions will show where that persons expertise is. If I was installing a gum ball machine in my boat, I would probably listen to Chet before Jeff. But I'm not installing one, I'm having my hull blue printed, so I would listen to the Aerodynamics guy. Make sense now?
HBjet I understand the message just didn't agree with the way in which you delivered it. You have made several comments about different folks and the money they make or the profession they are in. I just think it is a little low. :rolleyes: now go sell some phones :p
Omega

[HBjet]

OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
You have made several comments about different folks and the money they make or the profession they are in. I just think it is a little low.WTF Omega? Well, your acusing me, find the proof. That's pretty ****ed up because I have never made negitive comments about someone's profession or what there income is. I have taken a few shot at Blown472, but after he's calling me a fat ass, and such. Some people say Damn, you much be a cheerleader to afford a high dollar motor like that, and yeah, I will come back with something like "I work hard for my money, and just because you might not be able to afford it, don't knock me for it".
So how am I being a little low?
I only brought up Chets profession because he's questioning someone in a field he has no expertise in.
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
You have made several comments about different folks and the money they make or the profession they are in. I just think it is a little low.WTF Omega? Well, your acusing me, find the proof. That's pretty ****ed up because I have never made negitive comments about someone's profession or what there income is. I have taken a few shot at Blown472, but after he's calling me a fat ass, and such. Some people say Damn, you much be a cheerleader to afford a high dollar motor like that, and yeah, I will come back with something like "I work hard for my money, and just because you might not be able to afford it, don't knock me for it".
So how am I being a little low?
I only brought up Chets profession because he's questioning someone in a field he has no expertise in.
HBjet I think you need to learn how to read, I never called you a fat ass, you look just like me so why would I do that???
can you hear me now??

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
Nothing, just answer the question please. You want to know my daily routine? Well, that could take a long time to explain without knowing how much you know about telecom, and how a telecom business works. Well, I support our end user sales reps in 3 different offices specializing in the Avaya product line, but I also support our Nortel product development manager as well. Some of the tasks may be, but not limited to, finding a particular telephone that may be MFG discontinued, to configuring a complete telephone switch to handle 800 users with a voice mail system and a 5 zone paging system. Trouble shooting configuration problems with on site techs, as well as getting the right people together to solve these problems if I can't figure it out. Continuesly watch the market on items we sell because in the telecom world, something hot now, may not be worth much in 6mo to a year. There have been times where we scrap 10-20 circuit cards because we can't give them away, but 1-2 years before that, we couldn't keep them on the shelf.
Anyways, I hope this helps you understand just a little more of what I do between 8-5 (sometimes later) during the week.
HBjet

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

HBjet:
OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
You have made several comments about different folks and the money they make or the profession they are in. I just think it is a little low.WTF Omega? Well, your acusing me, find the proof. That's pretty ****ed up because I have never made negitive comments about someone's profession or what there income is. I have taken a few shot at Blown472, but after he's calling me a fat ass, and such. Some people say Damn, you much be a cheerleader to afford a high dollar motor like that, and yeah, I will come back with something like "I work hard for my money, and just because you might not be able to afford it, don't knock me for it".
So how am I being a little low?
I only brought up Chets profession because he's questioning someone in a field he has no expertise in.
HBjet well I don't know the whole history on you and Chet, but I have seen you mention his profession before this in a negative manner. I don't have time to go find the examples but you know what I mean. You also took a jab at Blown as mentioned and you messed with me about not having enough money to have nice stuff like you. I am not attacking you here dude. It's all fun and games on here anyhow just don't bag on what people do for a living. leave out the comments about gum ball machines and what not. I'm not defending Chet cause like I said I don't know ya'lls history.
Omega

[HARDIN18]

HB
How would I know if my hull has "hook"?

[HBjet]

OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
but I have seen you mention his profession before this in a negative manner.I don't recall, but if your going to acuse me, then have something to back it up!
OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
It's all fun and games on here anyhow just don't bag on what people do for a living. leave out the comments about gum ball machines and what not.Where am I bagging? I never bagged on anyones job (but it's ok to bag on my builder, or me, or why I spent money with my builder, or....)
let me ask you and Blown a question. Do either of you have any brothers or sisters?
HBjet

[Blown 472]

Three brothers and three sisters, sorry they are taken. You looking for a date or something??

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

HBjet
let me ask you and Blown a question. Do either of you have any brothers or sisters?
HBjet 4 brothers!
Omega

[HBjet]

Blown 472
[QBYou looking for a date or something?? [/QB]Why would you say that? NO!

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472
[QBYou looking for a date or something?? Why would you say that? NO! [/QB]Why you wondering bout bruthas and sistas???
If you are thinking the only child thang, no dice, spoiled nope, had to work for everything I got.
[ July 29, 2003, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Blown 472 ]

[hboldno7]

Hbjet, Blown and omega, Can you guys just cut to the chase and let us all know when the Battle Royal is going to take place. I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything. Id call you a bunch of old ladies but who knows, maybe you are.

[Blown 472]

hboldno7:
Hbjet, Blown and omega, Can you guys just cut to the chase and let us all know when the Battle Royal is going to take place. I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything. Id call you a bunch of old ladies but who knows, maybe you are. I am wearing silk granny panties today, lite blue to match my hair.

[hboldno7]

Blown 472:
hboldno7:
Hbjet, Blown and omega, Can you guys just cut to the chase and let us all know when the Battle Royal is going to take place. I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything. Id call you a bunch of old ladies but who knows, maybe you are. I am wearing silk granny panties today, lite blue to match my hair. HaHa!! lol. Nice one

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
Why you wondering bout bruthas and sistas???I'm going to wait and see how long it takes for one of you to say I'm low because I brought the family into this.
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
Why you wondering bout bruthas and sistas???I'm going to wait and see how long it takes for one of you to say I'm low because I brought the family into this.
HBjet You can talk smack bout them all you want, dont bother me, I cant stand them anyway, bunch of bleeding heart liberals.

[HBjet]

hboldno7:
I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything.Oh, if it was just that simple.
See, ever since I posted something about my motor, and I didn't spill out all of the information requested by these two, they have been following every word I post to question me. What's funny is I don't ever recall having any type of discussion with these two before then. Kinda strange if you ask me.
HBjet

[BK]

HARDIN18:
HB
How would I know if my hull has "hook"? Looks like everyones too buisy bickering to answer your ? so i'll do it. Get a 4-5' streight edge and place it against the bottom of your boat from the transom forward, if theres a gap between the bottom of the boat and top of the streight edge you have hook. How much and what your looking to get out of your hull will determine if filling its nessisary.

[BK]

Damn double post!! :mad:
[ July 29, 2003, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: BK ]

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
hboldno7:
I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything.Oh, if it was just that simple.
See, ever since I posted something about my motor, and I didn't spill out all of the information requested by these two, they have been following every word I post to question me. What's funny is I don't ever recall having any type of discussion with these two before then. Kinda strange if you ask me.
HBjet Yes, very strange. Maybe if you had been upfront with everything and not danced around it for two weeks we would not be here, you seem to think that you have to impress or something, had you posted your uncorrected numbers I would have said cool, bully for you and moved on but the games had to be played out.
Trust me I got more important things to do than bag on someone, you ask me a question I pony up every detail I can remember not hiding anything.
Long story short hbjet you have a kick ass boat and should be proud of it, when you start playing games well then game on.

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

HBjet:
hboldno7:
I doubt you guys will ever agree on anything.Oh, if it was just that simple.
See, ever since I posted something about my motor, and I didn't spill out all of the information requested by these two, they have been following every word I post to question me. What's funny is I don't ever recall having any type of discussion with these two before then. Kinda strange if you ask me.
HBjet I've been stalking you for a while now. :D I have pictures of you posted all over the walls in my house. I have been seeing a shrink but it just won't end. I want to be just like you HB. what is strange is that no one else has ever called you to the carpet...... :p
Omega

[Blown 472]

HBjet [/qb][/QUOTE]I've been stalking you for a while now. :D I have pictures of you posted all over the walls in my house. I have been seeing a shrink but it just won't end. I want to be just like you HB. what is strange is that no one else has ever called you to the ASTRO TURF...... :p
Omega [/QB][/QUOTE]
:D :D :p

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
you seem to think that you have to impress or something,That's the second time you have said that, but I can't see the reasoning behind it. I love my boat, and I like to do what I can to it. Not to impress anyone but myself. If it makes everyone happy, I won't post the changes on this site. I guess it's not a boating site anymore and if anyone posts anything about there boat in regards to improvments, then they must be seeking attention and overall approval too....
Blown 472:
had you posted your uncorrected numbers I would have said cool, bully for you and moved on but the games had to be played out.Well, after knowing you and a few others are about the only ones who have ever been interesting in measured numbers and would go to great lengths to get them, I probably would have posted them sooner. Truth of the matter was I didn't have the software on my PC to look at the corrected and measured numbers for some time after getting the motor back.
Blown 472:
Long story short hbjet you have a kick ass boat and should be proud of it, when you start playing games well then game on. Well, does that mean this is game over, or is it just the second half?
Thanks for the compliments, I was trying to impress you :D haha!
Ok, I have to get some work done!
HBjet

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

Blown 472:
HBjet I've been stalking you for a while now. :D I have pictures of you posted all over the walls in my house. I have been seeing a shrink but it just won't end. I want to be just like you HB. what is strange is that no one else has ever called you to the ASTRO TURF...... :p
Omega [/QB][/QUOTE]
:D :D :p [/QB][/QUOTE]good one :D FAT BOY :p
Omega

[Blown 472]

Game over as far as I am concerned.
Sorry just the realist in me, I like numbers that are not corrected, color me anal.

[Blown 472]

OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
Blown 472:
HBjet I've been stalking you for a while now. :D I have pictures of you posted all over the walls in my house. I have been seeing a shrink but it just won't end. I want to be just like you HB. what is strange is that no one else has ever called you to the ASTRO TURF...... :p
Omega :D :D :p [/QB][/QUOTE]good one :D FAT BOY :p
Omega [/QB][/QUOTE]
Hey, I resemble that remark.

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

Blown 472:
OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET:
Blown 472:
HBjet I've been stalking you for a while now. :D I have pictures of you posted all over the walls in my house. I have been seeing a shrink but it just won't end. I want to be just like you HB. what is strange is that no one else has ever called you to the ASTRO TURF...... :p
Omega :D :D :p good one :D FAT BOY :p
Omega [/QB][/QUOTE]
Hey, I resemble that remark. [/QB][/QUOTE] me too. It's been fun HB. maybe next time you come down to my part of the woods to fix some phones or whatever we can hook up and I'll buy you a beer. You make alot of services calls?
Omega

[flat broke]

pops1:
HBjet:
No, we are not moving the intake. If we where to move the intake, it would only be 1" back, and the amount of money it would cost to do that, then modify a transom adapter would not justify the gain I would get with my particular setup.
HBjet H.B. it looks to me like you could move your pump back 4-5" in the photo-your hand hole is in or half way in is it not.
Transom plates are the way to go if you want to get to your bowl & impeller quick. The box is old school. Do away with the box -Easy to make yourself out of plate stock and a card board
pattern. Anyway good luck on your new non-hooker bottom.
Most all molds have hooks from heat build up. While the way HB has it done is alright, you can still use the box, have a much more leak free environment than the transom plate setup, and come out being able to get your bowl without messing with silicone.
You splice in extra material onto the factory transom adapter so that it seals against the flange on the suction housing. The seam between the bowl and the housing is just outside of the joint and allows you to pull the bowl without messing with the silicone. Yes it is harder to get to the bolts when they are still inside the boat, but it is doable. Hack Job and I ran this idea by Jack and had him implement it on Hacker's Spectra. Jack did a grade A job of splicing the new frankenstien adapter together. You wouldn't even know by looking that the adapter had been stretched. It makes for a very clean install without drawing the kind of attention that a typical transom plate setup requires.
Chris

[hboldno7]

Wow, I think we are having a break thru in here today. Was it the old lady comment?

[sanger mike]

WOW that was intense. argue

[Hermosa]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales G3r baby... G3r! ; )

[Blown 472]

hboldno7:
Wow, I think we are having a break thru in here today. Was it the old lady comment? That was it, hard to have tha anger while in silk panties. :D :D

[*LS7*]

My gumball machine is emtpy, service please.

[HBjet]

Hermosa:
HBjet:
Blown 472:
And just what is your job title? Avaya Product Development Manager/Broker Sales G3r baby... G3r! ; ) LMAO!

[HBjet]

*LS7*:
My gumball machine is emtpy, service please. I don't think the phones work!

[DogHouse]

Well this is just no good at all. How can we have a decent jet boats forum without any argue :mad: burningm yuk http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/sauer/angry-smiley-046.gif
:D

[HBjet]

I blame it on LV, he folded under pressure and gave all of the info way to fast. We need to wait for the next DNE customer to get his motor finished....... CS19, are you ready?
HBjet

[Cs19]

Well im ready to build a motor but im not ready to bicker with these guys over the numbers. The Dart heads are being ported/valve job now and when they return we can get the ball rolling. :D

[Rexone]

DogHouse:
Well this is just no good at all. How can we have a decent jet boats forum without any argue :mad: burningm yuk http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/sauer/angry-smiley-046.gif
:D ever been to Banderlog?

[MarKist]

Oh well ,I was out of popcorn anyway :D :D :D

[ChetCapoli]

Blown 472:
So you are a phone salesmen???
LMAO!! phone salesman....gotta love it....you go door to door HB?? :D
CHET

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
is basically saying the Aerodynamics guy doesn't know what he's doing.
HBjet Listen assface, where and i do mean WHERE did i say he doesnt know what he's doing? I called him about my boat remember and he gave me great info. All i said is that he would tell a LOUDSPEAKER less about what to try and do than a regular type guy who doesnt mind working on his own shit. THATS WHAT I SAID. WTF??
I asked you a serious question on what kind of fiberglass he uses is all. Come to think of it, for the money he charged you(very fair price) no wonder he didnt use resin and matt..just a quick one day deal that will work fine. It just looked like he used automotive bondo(not waterproof)and not the real good stuff and i was curious.
CHET
P.S. i have his personal email also numnuts so dont feel too special. :D

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Listen assface, where and i do mean WHERE did i say he doesnt know what he's doing? I called him about my boat remember and he gave me great info. All i said is that he would tell a LOUDSPEAKER less about what to try and do than a regular type guy who doesnt mind working on his own shit. THATS WHAT I SAID. WTF??
I asked you a serious question on what kind of fiberglass he uses is all. Come to think of it, for the money he charged you(very fair price) no wonder he didnt use resin and matt..just a quick one day deal that will work fine. It just looked like he used automotive bondo(not waterproof)and not the real good stuff and i was curious.
CHET
P.S. i have his personal email also numnuts so dont feel too special. :D Well, that's funny. Jeff said you can tell someone how to do the bottom of there hull, but that doesn't mean it's going to end up correct. He said what he knows is something that is learned over years. Just because someone is good with glass and gelcoat doesn't mean they know what they are doing when removing hook properly. As for being a quick bang up job. No, he started Saturday at 8am and worked until 6pm taking a 45 minute lunch break. Then Sunday from 9am until 5pm and he was finished. As for telling a "Loudspeaker" less then a do it yourself guy. That's funny because I got more dirt on hulls that are being built today that would make you think twice about who makes a quality boat. Also, I was right by Jeff the entire time and he was explaining everything to me. I find it hard to believe he told you to make your hull look the way it does because we talked about your boat and he told me something completely different. Hey, whatever! I know I got a professional quality job from the best in the business, but it's not good enough for you because I didn't do it myself!
HBjet

[HBjet]

Here is one of the items he used.
http://shop.papaint.com/prodimg/RAGEGOLD.JPG
Fibreglass/Evercoat #112 Gal. "Rage Gold" Premium Lightweight Body Filler RAGE« GOLD Evercoat's easiest sanding body filler. The unsurpassed sanding qualities are attributed to Hattonite, a unique ingredient which reduces heat and friction created by aggressive sanding. Rage Gold also contains ZNX-7 for adhesion to galvanized steel and aluminum. Plus, it's stain resistant for use with basecoat/clearcoat paints. Part of the METALWORKS System. Blue cream hardener included.
Since you have blueprinted the bottom of your hull, is this the stuff that's "not the real good stuff"
BTW, he said my boat gets the same attention to detail as a full race boat blue print would. The only difference is the area and the amount of work it takes to fix that area.
HBjet
[ July 30, 2003, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[Dave C]

HB, I noticed that you had a "motor swap" in mind for the future.
Good strategy! I did it twice.
Found a better hull, robbed the good motor and pump (with accessories too wink and then sold old boat with stock stuff. (ah... memories)
Since you already built a good motor and pump, then just rob it all and drop it into a new hull. Nice thing about a jet boat is that the stuff just unbolts and drops right into the new one. :D
Its all about the enjoyment of doing the work and damn the price tag.
Hey its only money, you can make more, right?!?

[HBjet]

Dave C:
Hey its only money, you can make more, right?!? That's right! Besides, what's the point of making money if you don't spend it!
Yeah, when I go to a different boat, I'm taking the motor and pump with me, unless someone offers me an amount I couldn't refuse for the entire package! Everything is forsale for the right price.
HBjet

[Dave C]

I did the same thing you are doing right now with your hull. I think you have the right idea. Just work with what you got and let the pros. do the hull tuning.
It doesn't make much sense to make massive adjustments to the semi-v. But a little tuning makes alot of sense.
I had the bottom of my old semi-v tuned basically the same way (big hook, straighten riding surface, intake re-shape, etc.) (actually I tried it myself but gave up and gave it to the professionals instead) It worked good when they were done with it.
However, it reached its max so I sold it for a tunnel instead. (robbed motor & jet and dropped it in) :D no comparison between semi-v and tunnel.
My buddies & I were in the same situations (over & over again) and almost all the boats were sold separately. We always got more money that way. :D
Plus you have a good motor so I would keep it ( I would take a "good" shop built motor over garage anyday of the week). I used to see bare hulls for sale all over the place.
enjoy!

[82SleekCraft]

Originally posted by HBjet:
Everything is for sale for the right price.
Ah! The Demi Moore and Robert Redford movie.