what ski/race boats competed against Schiadas in 80's and 90's?

[flatties forever]

I'm in the reasearch stage of my next boat. Grew up with flatties and I'm currently in the tow boat phase with kids. I'm nearly done (bored) and want to get back to my roots but want to go a bit bigger and more comfortable in the rough stuff.
I've always loved the Schiada 21 River Cruiser but I don't want to limit myself then hate myself later about "the one that got away".. I'm going to be in the 40K range money wise, so I know I'm going to be buying something 15 plus years old-ish.. What other boats should I be looking at??
What other boats competed with RC's (ski/race) in that era? Any pics or suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.
Boat is going to be a sleeper (mostly covered engine and seating for 5-ish etc) I want a big inch naturally aspirated motor. HAS to be v-drive. I don't like outdrives. Most of these I'm seeing are blown or turbo'd but I don't want to work (or spend!) that hard on it. Were there any classes for NA boats???
Sorry for the wordy request but I've been absolutely blown away by the knowledge, experience and kindness on these boards. I thought I was fairly good with boats, but have realized that I am just a squid. I look forward to your suggestions.

[Riverkid]

Hallett's, Spectra's, Rayson Craft... Quite a few past the Schiada's...

[84 cougar]

Halletts, Schiadas,Rayson Crafts, Sanger,Connolly, all made great cruisers.I think Hallett, Schiada, and then Rayson seemed to be the most common in the racing seen. If your in the $40K range i would look closely at the russian roulet boat. Twin tubo bbc absolutely fricken awesome boat. You'll need to modify the interior and add a back seat, but would be an incredible boat for lake family hot rodding imo.. my father had a nice rayson w/blown bbc.he now has a very prettysanger that is most likely to be up for sale. This boat had a lot of money spent getting the bottom competitive, as it was used for ski racing. now has a delta pad on the bottom. these ride good in the water, however a little rougher than the others, but you in imo get more style, and seating for 8.I thinks his will be going for around $23,000 complete, and many other motor options.
I am partial to rayson and sanger looks, however, they are all great boats. Good luck w/your search, and post if you want any more info

[flatties forever]

Hallett's, Spectra's, Rayson Craft... Quite a few past the Schiada's...
Those are brands that I suspected but I don't know models to look for. Eg: 21 River Cruiser. Pics are appreciated!!!

[flatties forever]

Halletts, Schiadas,Rayson Crafts, Sanger,Connolly, all made great cruisers.I think Hallett, Schiada, and then Rayson seemed to be the most common in the racing seen. If your in the $40K range i would look closely at the russian roulet boat. Twin tubo bbc absolutely fricken awesome boat. You'll need to modify the interior and add a back seat, but would be an incredible boat for lake family hot rodding imo.. my father had a nice rayson w/blown bbc.he now has a very prettysanger that is most likely to be up for sale. This boat had a lot of money spent getting the bottom competitive, as it was used for ski racing. now has a delta pad on the bottom. these ride good in the water, however a little rougher than the others, but you in imo get more style, and seating for 8.I thinks his will be going for around $23,000 complete, and many other motor options.
I am partial to rayson and sanger looks, however, they are all great boats. Good luck w/your search, and post if you want any more info
Cougar--
I loved the Rayson flatties back in the day. Would be very interested in Raysons ski/race stuff. The Ruskie boat sounds nice but the whole Twin Turbo BBC spooks me. It's not just de-tuning the engine. The gears would probably be wrong in the box, the prop "just needs to be changed". New frames,mounts, upholstery, flooring etc... I'm going to avoid that can of financial woop ass this time around, if I can.. Your dads Sanger... I'm from Fresno, so I know Sanger. Love the heritage and history. What would the Pad on the bottom do as far as stability. Is it weight/balance sensitive? Does it "fall off the pad" if the balance isn't just right??Interesting though. Any pics?

[Riverkid]

Those are brands that I suspected but I don't know models to look for. Eg: 21 River Cruiser. Pics are appreciated!!!
With this. :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43739&stc=1&d=1195958031
And this Rayson with the Brummett next door is pretty sick too...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43740&stc=1&d=1195958276

[Bullmoose]

Where are you located Flatties Forever? I know of a 22 Schiada w a 427 Ford
thats on the Market.

[flatties forever]

Where are you located Flatties Forever? I know of a 22 Schiada w a 427 Ford
thats on the Market.
I'm in Cen Cal (Fresno). Might be a little premature for me yet Bullmoose...I'm still trying to gather info and I have to sell my just paid off (what's wrong with me??) 2002 Wakeboard boat. Unless it's the perfect boat...??? I guess I could pull money from the house then pay it back when I sell the tow boat... Jeezz..
Is this how it starts?? A post on the board. Pretty pictures to follow it up. My interest peaks, then straight off the cliff. Swan dive. Lucky my wife is patient..

[flatties forever]

Where are you located Flatties Forever? I know of a 22 Schiada w a 427 Ford
thats on the Market.
What's the difference between the 22 and the 21?? Seems like more freeboard from my memory but I'm wondering about width and interior room. Is there more?? That would be good. I need a place for the cooler.

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=Riverkid;2909836]With this. :D
And this Rayson with the Brummett next door is pretty sick too...
Thanks RK,
Keep the pics coming!!! The Rayson looks nice. What's the white boat?? Kinda Nordskog-ish with the driver dash canopy thing..

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43741&stc=1&d=1195960690
And a 21' Hallett Vector...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43742&stc=1&d=1195960842
I could do this all night. You're in for it...:D :D
Money Shot:
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43743&stc=1&d=1195961130

[flatties forever]

Keep em coming. I'm not going anywhere...
I'm foaming and drooling..

[Icarus prospector]

No kidding, money shot!
I spent a couple of years looking for a 21 Hallett in the Boat Trader and ironically found it here in the classified section. And whatever you do, and I say this from personal experience, don't believe the ad. Unless you are liek me and actually want the project.

[Riverkid]

No kidding, money shot!
I spent a couple of years looking for a 21 Hallett in the Boat Trader and ironically found it here in the classified section. And whatever you do, and I say this from personal experience, don't believe the ad. Unless you are liek me and actually want the project.
:D :D

[Riverkid]

Full Interior, with a turbo motor... Nice. :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43744&stc=1&d=1195961663
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43745&stc=1&d=1195961674
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43746&stc=1&d=1195961703

[Icarus prospector]

Now you made me mess the keyboard!

[Riverkid]

Borrowed these from Racey's website. Very nice rigging!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43747&stc=1&d=1195962207
Here's a NA motor for ya.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43748&stc=1&d=1195962207
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43749&stc=1&d=1195962207

[Riverkid]

From Racey...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43750&stc=1&d=1195962695
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43751&stc=1&d=1195962739
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43752&stc=1&d=1195962773

[flatties forever]

RK
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!!!
Those last two are what I'm thinking. The red/white/blue one is it.
I noticed the tranny on the beige boat. Looks like a Velvet drive. I figured 'glide or t-400 to get it rollin'? Not necessary or no room in the family style interiored boats???
Any interior pics on Rayson or Hallet.
Does the 22 schiada have much more room inside than the 21?? How close are the bottoms?

[flatties forever]

No kidding, money shot!
I spent a couple of years looking for a 21 Hallett in the Boat Trader and ironically found it here in the classified section. And whatever you do, and I say this from personal experience, don't believe the ad. Unless you are liek me and actually want the project.
Thanks for input Icarus. Very wise words. I do not want the project. I want to buy it, wax it, change the oil and fondle myself behind the wheel. Little personal touches maybe. Like a cooler hold down. And a tissue dispenser.
Fly low and stay out of the sun Icarus.

[bonesfab]

22's have a bit more room than the 21's. I have a 22 and a few freinds have 21's. Big enough to enjoy the lake. My 22 seats 6 comfy. The extra freeboard is nice also. Twin turbos under a flat hatch is good for the family.:D

[Hallett]

I have always liked this pic it takes some big pony's to carry the bow like that.:sqeyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Schiadahungout.jpg

[84 cougar]

Cougar--
I loved the Rayson flatties back in the day. Would be very interested in Raysons ski/race stuff. The Ruskie boat sounds nice but the whole Twin Turbo BBC spooks me. It's not just de-tuning the engine. The gears would probably be wrong in the box, the prop "just needs to be changed". New frames,mounts, upholstery, flooring etc... I'm going to avoid that can of financial woop ass this time around, if I can.. Your dads Sanger... I'm from Fresno, so I know Sanger. Love the heritage and history. What would the Pad on the bottom do as far as stability. Is it weight/balance sensitive? Does it "fall off the pad" if the balance isn't just right??Interesting though. Any pics?
Flatties
The pad on the bottom is for added stability at all speeds, especially top end. It prevents the boat from chime walking. I drove the boat when my dad first bought it w/mild tune up, and it when 91mph straight as an arrow. He has had it 2 years now, and it is, and has always been turnkey and completely trouble free. The boat was originally located at Clear Lake, where my father continually tried to purchase. The original owner died,temporarily changed hands, then my father got it. Dads went through a divorce, and his boatimg lifestyle is forced to change.. I'll get him on here to post some pics, and answer any more questions you might have.

[flatties forever]

Flatties
The pad on the bottom is for added stability at all speeds, especially top end. It prevents the boat from chime walking. I drove the boat when my dad first bought it w/mild tune up, and it when 91mph straight as an arrow. He has had it 2 years now, and it is, and has always been turnkey and completely trouble free. The boat was originally located at Clear Lake, where my father continually tried to purchase. The original owner died,temporarily changed hands, then my father got it. Dads went through a divorce, and his boatimg lifestyle is forced to change.. I'll get him on here to post some pics, and answer any more questions you might have.
Look forward to the pics. Thanks for the info!!

[flatties forever]

I have always liked this pic it takes some big pony's to carry the bow like that.:sqeyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Schiadahungout.jpg
Beautiful pic Hallett. Thanks. But isn't that a Schiada??? Is that the Schiada Vector??? I guess that's like I'm "flatties forever", but I'm looking at boats that are definitely not flat... Hmmm...
Again, beautiful boat!

[RUSHIN ROULETTE]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/rushin.jpg
only needs 800 ponies and pump gas to run 102 on gps and full tanks of gas. Delta pads work awesome:D

[steveo143]

I have a 21' DiMarco, same bottom as Spectra and Howard. The deck was redone by DiMarco and the dash was moved 18" forward. Used to seat 8 with twin turboed BBC and T400. In my opinion, these bottoms are faster than Schiada's with power being equal. I am doing a complete restoation and will probably cut in a delta pad. I've already lenghtened the center liifting strakes 4'. Motor will be at least 1200hp as opposed to previous 800.

[flatties forever]

I have a 21' DiMarco, same bottom as Spectra and Howard. The deck was redone by DiMarco and the dash was moved 18" forward. Used to seat 8 with twin turboed BBC and T400. In my opinion, these bottoms are faster than Schiada's with power being equal. I am doing a complete restoation and will probably cut in a delta pad. I've already lenghtened the center liifting strakes 4'. Motor will be at least 1200hp as opposed to previous 800.
Steveo-- Got any pics prior to resto?? Would love to see. What year? How long was your DiMarco made? Thanks for the input.
Good luck on your resto!
FF

[05schiada]

Here's a pic of mine Twin Turbo Fuel Injected under a lowered custom hatch.
I know that there were many different ski race boats that raced all with sucess. Today it seems that a Hallett 210 or a Cyclone with an outdrive seems to be prefered by some , but the cost is enormous compared to a Schiada with a v-drive in it. There are some out there just got to keep an eye out for them

[flatties forever]

Here's a pic of mine Twin Turbo Fuel Injected under a lowered custom hatch.
I know that there were many different ski race boats that raced all with sucess. Today it seems that a Hallett 210 or a Cyclone with an outdrive seems to be prefered by some , but the cost is enormous compared to a Schiada with a v-drive in it. There are some out there just got to keep an eye out for them
05 schi,
That's gorgeous. Not interested in anything with an outdrive. I know outdrives are efficient and fast, but I don't care. I'm not trying to win a championship. I like the way a v-drive feels and I love the way they look.. The prop is supposed to be under the boat. IMO. Thanks for the input.
FF

[Prop Rod]

Hey Flatties,
I know you said you were looking in the 40K range, mine is a 1996, Currently for sale, its the boat in my sig line, send me a PM if your interested or want to know more details.

[Schiada Time]

I have a '22 V-Drive and I must say the extra foot makes a big difference in the space inside the boat especially since you lose so much with the driveline. Go for the '22.

[flatties forever]

I have a '22 V-Drive and I must say the extra foot makes a big difference in the space inside the boat especially since you lose so much with the driveline. Go for the '22.
Thanks for the input. Is there a website where I can find total boat dimensions incl trailer??
Wanna make sure I can fit it in the garage at the lake.

[flatties forever]

Hey Flatties,
I know you said you were looking in the 40K range, mine is a 1996, Currently for sale, its the boat in my sig line, send me a PM if your interested or want to know more details.
Would PM if I could figure it out. I've been looking all around the USER CP area for anything about enabling PM. I must be stooopid. Is your boat listed in SPAM??

[flatties forever]

Hey Flatties,
I know you said you were looking in the 40K range, mine is a 1996, Currently for sale, its the boat in my sig line, send me a PM if your interested or want to know more details.
Prop Rod,
Found your thread in Spam.. Saw the pictures. Beautiful. Had a couple of questions that I asked in your thread. Still can't PM.. Sorry.

[Riverkid]

I would also get ahold of Racey, as he would likely know if there are any nice 22 V-drives around Lost Wages/Lake Mead... :)
Finding them is half the battle...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43864&stc=1&d=1196091652
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43865&stc=1&d=1196091669
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43866&stc=1&d=1196091678

[flatties forever]

Thanks RK,
Appreciate the pics and the suggestions!
FF

[bocco]

Riverkid,
Great pics. Got any of a Conelly? Especially from the back.
Thanks

[Prop Rod]

Prop Rod,
Found your thread in Spam.. Saw the pictures. Beautiful. Had a couple of questions that I asked in your thread. Still can't PM.. Sorry.
Flattie's,
If you go to the user cp, then edit options you should be able to go down 1/2 page and check the box "enable private messaging".
Or just give me a call 928-830-9285, you might just be surprised how much i let this boat go for.
Doug

[don johnson]

With this. :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43739&stc=1&d=1195958031
And this Rayson with the Brummett next door is pretty sick too...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43740&stc=1&d=1195958276
The top boat 197 Hustler is my friend Denny Valdez's boat. He still owns this boat but now sports a twin turbo deal. Boat hauls the mail.

[HighVoltage 329]

hallett vectors are very competitive ski race boats
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/jun-2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/Boat3298-17-06006.jpg

[ColeTR2]

I like 21' Hallett Vector... It's Second to a Schiada 21 RC

[HighVoltage 329]

I like 21' Hallett Vector... It's Second to a Schiada 21 RC
I like the finished deck of the Hallett over the non-skid Schiada.

[Riverkid]

The top boat 197 Hustler is my friend Denny Valdez's boat. He still owns this boat but now sports a twin turbo deal. Boat hauls the mail.
At the Catalina Race in somebody's Taco Del Grande rig...
His skier's not bad, either... :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43925&stc=1&d=1196133351

[VDRIVERACING]

[QUOTE=Riverkid;2909836]With this. :D
And this Rayson with the Brummett next door is pretty sick too...
Thanks RK,
Keep the pics coming!!! The Rayson looks nice. What's the white boat?? Kinda Nordskog-ish with the driver dash canopy thing..
The Rayson, formerly known as the White Boat (seriously...), is now on the APBA GN circuit. The wind deflector was fabricated by Terry Jesse who used to ski for us.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43926&stc=1&d=1196133720

[Riverkid]

[QUOTE=flatties forever;2909872]
The Rayson, formerly known as the White Boat (seriously...), is now on the APBA GN circuit. The wind deflector was fabricated by Terry Jesse who used to ski for us.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43926&stc=1&d=1196133720
I think it would spank the Schiada's. It goes... :D

[Riverkid]

Riverkid,
Great pics. Got any of a Conelly? Especially from the back.
Thanks
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43928&stc=1&d=1196136490
Have one on the trailer but it won't load up...

[Riverkid]

The Schiada that has the nose up and at speed is ski racer Bob Grande's boat, it has an all stainless steel trailer to boot !!!:D :D
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43929&stc=1&d=1196136918

[hboldno7]

Riverkid,
Great pics. Got any of a Conelly? Especially from the back.
Thanks
Here's a shot of a Conelly from the rear..... Hope the leg aint in the way...

[Nailhead]

Here's a shot of a Conelly from the rear..... Hope the leg aint in the way... That Connolly belonged to Dennis, he just sold it a few weeks ago.

[hboldno7]

That Connolly belonged to Dennis, he just sold it a few weeks ago.
Yes Sir it did.... He sold it a week or two after that pic was taken in September...

[Boat211]

I like the finished deck of the Hallett over the non-skid Schiada.You could always grind it off like we did.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/boat81.JPG

[76schiada]

97 schiada

[Blueoval]

Dont forget about the 80's Hallet 19' ss
This is my first one 1988, Ty Newton in holding the boat, Lance Faulkner is in the back seat with Jeff Connet. Spelling on Jeff's last name??? (sorry Jeff)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/hallet1.jpg
This one I found in Havsu, been setting for yrs. Boat was called GOOZZE BUMPS. Ski raced back in the day... 1986.. I won't let this one go!!!
I'm in the process of a restore on her.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/newhallet.jpg
On the river
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/laura2.jpg
cheers

[76schiada]

my 19 schiada (ITS FOR SALE)

[flatties forever]

Thanks for the pics and the info. I'm still watching and learning about boats I'd never considered. Never seen a Connely before and it's got a lot less V than the other boats I've been looking at. Not sure what I want yet, but it sure is different. All the boats are good to look at.
And that Stainless trailer pic sure was sweet. Now add air bags for ease on driveways and we're talkin'.

[HighVoltage 329]

Dont forget about the 80's Hallet 19' ss
This one I found in Havsu, been setting for yrs. Boat was called GOOZZE BUMPS. Ski raced back in the day... 1986.. I won't let this one go!!!
I'm in the process of a restore on her.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/newhallet.jpg
On the river
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/asanaski/laura2.jpg
cheers
19' Hallett's are great boats. Were also restoring one to original race condition. It's my 3rd 19', I like the size and look. Very quick boats.

[HighVoltage 329]

heres my first 19' hallett. Some of you old timers may remember it on cover of ***boat in april of 1992 http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/scan0005.jpg

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43956&stc=1&d=1196199929
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43957&stc=1&d=1196199796
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43958&d=1196200000
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43959&stc=1&d=1196199797
More Niceness...

[HighVoltage 329]

You could always grind it off like we did.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/boat81.JPG
I herd there's a new project in the works. What might it be and why is this boat on it's side?

[SGettmann]

Flatties Forever - my recommendation - if you want to stay away from going turbo or blown and sticking with a Schiada - go with a 20'. The 21's and 22's weight a bit more and take the larger hp to make it go. My Dad's 20' Schiada moves out really good with a tunnel ram. It's probably the lightest 20' out there, since 3 guys picked her up out of the mold. The directions were to lay her up light. Here's a photo:
20's are a littel harder to find. I'm in the process of going through my dad's, now that I just about have my 21' put together.
Sean
Here's the inside of my 21' - not full interior, since I wanted open stringers.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/347_hull_inside.jpg?t=1196205139
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/47_boat.jpg?t=1196204978
I'm in the reasearch stage of my next boat. Grew up with flatties and I'm currently in the tow boat phase with kids. I'm nearly done (bored) and want to get back to my roots but want to go a bit bigger and more comfortable in the rough stuff.
I've always loved the Schiada 21 River Cruiser but I don't want to limit myself then hate myself later about "the one that got away".. I'm going to be in the 40K range money wise, so I know I'm going to be buying something 15 plus years old-ish.. What other boats should I be looking at??
What other boats competed with RC's (ski/race) in that era? Any pics or suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.
Boat is going to be a sleeper (mostly covered engine and seating for 5-ish etc) I want a big inch naturally aspirated motor. HAS to be v-drive. I don't like outdrives. Most of these I'm seeing are blown or turbo'd but I don't want to work (or spend!) that hard on it. Were there any classes for NA boats???
Sorry for the wordy request but I've been absolutely blown away by the knowledge, experience and kindness on these boards. I thought I was fairly good with boats, but have realized that I am just a squid. I look forward to your suggestions.

[SGettmann]

Oh - on price - you're right in range to get a really nice boat that is in the range of what you're talking about. Here's some more photos of the transom - love posting since I figured this out. Ok, back to work!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/347_hull_transom.jpg?t=1196205419
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/347_Transom_Plates.jpg?t=1196205543

[Community]

Whats going on here - looks like the exhaust comes forward?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43751&stc=1&d=1195962739

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=SGettmann;2914139]Flatties Forever - my recommendation - if you want to stay away from going turbo or blown and sticking with a Schiada - go with a 20'. The 21's and 22's weight a bit more and take the larger hp to make it go. My Dad's 20' Schiada moves out really good with a tunnel ram. It's probably the lightest 20' out there, since 3 guys picked her up out of the mold. The directions were to lay her up light. Here's a photo:
20's are a littel harder to find. I'm in the process of going through my dad's, now that I just about have my 21' put together.
Sean
Sean,
Thanks for the detailed follow up. Definitly making me think. I owned a 19.5 Miller Flattie for more than a decade. Definitly too small now and it was roomy for a flattie. Had seeting for 5. No way wifey gonna go back to the Miller size with 3 kids. She's used to the room of our wakeboard boat currently, but it's boring me to death.
I'm selling the 21 or 22 to her as having more room than the Miller (though not as much as the wakeboard boat).
On to my question: How slow do you think a 22 would be with 600 HP NA Big Block (520-540 inch)? I'm not looking to set the world on fire. I wanna run upper 70's and come out of the whole strong. Definitly with the help of a tranny. Am I dreaming to get that sort of performance? Open to input from any or all.
Oh-- Insurance is another reason why I don't want a boosted engine. (besides unlike most of you guys- I'm only a marginal wrench. I normally work on it till it's good and broke) Received a quote from Markel regarding a description that I just mentioned. NA 22 is insurable at about $1200/year . I imagine turbos and blowers make insurance an impossibility. Could be wrong. It's a must have for me.

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=SGettmann;2914152]Oh - on price - you're right in range to get a really nice boat that is in the range of what you're talking about. Here's some more photos of the transom - love posting since I figured this out. Ok, back to work!
Sean,
Damm your boat is nice. This place gives me an inferiority complex. Never seen the rudder on the cav plate before. What's the advantage besides looking really cool and one less place to leak?
FF

[SGettmann]

Thanks FF - External rudders are nice, but I personally still like the traditional rudder setup. I think the boat turns better with a traditional setup. I redid some rigging and have better turning ability with the rudder, but won't know end result until I get the motor in her and get her going. Other idea is to move the fin up about a foot in front of the v-drive and keep the stock rudder setup - then you would have a wicked turning boat. My dad's 20 is setup this way and its a great for circle races - which.... looks like are coming back to the NWSRA circuit. SWEET!
[QUOTE=SGettmann;2914152]Oh - on price - you're right in range to get a really nice boat that is in the range of what you're talking about. Here's some more photos of the transom - love posting since I figured this out. Ok, back to work!
Sean,
Damm your boat is nice. This place gives me an inferiority complex. Never seen the rudder on the cav plate before. What's the advantage besides looking really cool and one less place to leak?
FF

[SGettmann]

Travis - what are you turning on your 22'? The 600 hp range sounds about in your range. You would be be able to answer this question.
FF - Insurance - that is a good one. I'm going to be uping my insurance once I have a dyno report on my new motor. My last marine survey noted 350 hp, so Foremost was covering me for $600 a year. Anyway, I was able to establish a good insurance rating by not having any claims. (I'm a first time boat owner, though grew up around ski racing) Now with the new motor and having a baseline, the expensive insurance will start. Though having her paid for does offer me some flexibility.
Sean
[QUOTE=SGettmann;2914139]Flatties Forever - my recommendation - if you want to stay away from going turbo or blown and sticking with a Schiada - go with a 20'. The 21's and 22's weight a bit more and take the larger hp to make it go. My Dad's 20' Schiada moves out really good with a tunnel ram. It's probably the lightest 20' out there, since 3 guys picked her up out of the mold. The directions were to lay her up light. Here's a photo:
20's are a littel harder to find. I'm in the process of going through my dad's, now that I just about have my 21' put together.
Sean
Sean,
Thanks for the detailed follow up. Definitly making me think. I owned a 19.5 Miller Flattie for more than a decade. Definitly too small now and it was roomy for a flattie. Had seeting for 5. No way wifey gonna go back to the Miller size with 3 kids. She's used to the room of our wakeboard boat currently, but it's boring me to death.
I'm selling the 21 or 22 to her as having more room than the Miller (though not as much as the wakeboard boat).
On to my question: How slow do you think a 22 would be with 600 HP NA Big Block (520-540 inch)? I'm not looking to set the world on fire. I wanna run upper 70's and come out of the whole strong. Definitly with the help of a tranny. Am I dreaming to get that sort of performance? Open to input from any or all.
Oh-- Insurance is another reason why I don't want a boosted engine. (besides unlike most of you guys- I'm only a marginal wrench. I normally work on it till it's good and broke) Received a quote from Markel regarding a description that I just mentioned. NA 22 is insurable at about $1200/year . I imagine turbos and blowers make insurance an impossibility. Could be wrong. It's a must have for me.

[wright on]

I miss my small flattie, but the room and ride is definetly an advantage. I havent GPS it. but I gotta agree that a blower or turbo set up gives it little more pick up. you can run low boost and still be reliable.

[Boat211]

I herd there's a new project in the works. What might it be and why is this boat on it's side?
Photographer must have had too many beers.

[HighVoltage 329]

"My dad's 20 is setup this way and its a great for circle races - which.... looks like are coming back to the NWSRA circuit. SWEET!"
Circle races are more fun for Skier, Driver and Observer. Circle boats that are quick and really turn are my favorite. Schiada's, Hallett's, Rayson's, Spectra's ect. ect. are all great V-drive circle boats. The smaller ones have more thrill factor.

[SGettmann]

There are at least two 20' Schiada's for sale for under 20k, if you really want a quick 20, drop an aspirated single carbed 572" motor in it, you can tell the insurance company it's a 454 putting out 375 horseies and keep the cost low, just do a declared value on the hull / engine / trailer.:D Then again Prime Marine has a very trick laid up 21' Schiada bare hull for around 20k, not a single hole in it, all white ??
20K for a bare hull - smokin deal if in good shape. Will be quite a bit of work to get her how you want her. Learning that rigging is a labor of love. Skill, patience, and money.:)

[Schiada Time]

My enigne is a 502 BBC pushing out 502 HP and 567 TQ. I have 5% gears in the C-500 and am spinning a 12x15 Menkens 3-blade with cup. I am running an ART Carr Turbo 400 with spline drive and reverse manual valve body. I definitely need to upgrade my exhaust but with current set-up and I'm just guessing here as I have not GPS'd it I would say 58-60 mph tops. She turns 4900 rpm at WOT.

[SGettmann]

new Schiada's - love it - always in the mode to drool. Also makes me really appreciate what I have. I PM'ed you Huffpower. Thanks for sharing.
Question - does a polished Stainless steel trailer cost as much as a new Schiada? That is smoke'in sweet!
The 21 is brand spanking new ..........
Sean, send me your email and i'll send ya three pics of Scott W's new 21 Schiada, you WILL LOVE IT !!!

[Schiada Time]

I was thinking I would like to spin it to about 5400 so it LIVES!!!!

[intense]

Flatties Forever - my recommendation - if you want to stay away from going turbo or blown and sticking with a Schiada - go with a 20'. The 21's and 22's weight a bit more and take the larger hp to make it go. My Dad's 20' Schiada moves out really good with a tunnel ram. It's probably the lightest 20' out there, since 3 guys picked her up out of the mold. The directions were to lay her up light. Here's a photo:
20's are a littel harder to find. I'm in the process of going through my dad's, now that I just about have my 21' put together.
Sean
Here's the inside of my 21' - not full interior, since I wanted open stringers.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/347_hull_inside.jpg?t=1196205139
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/47_boat.jpg?t=1196204978
Hey tell your dad hi! I've seen both of these and they are bitchen I'm your Dads UPS guy
shaun

[Schiada Time]

Huff- Motor is rated to spin 5800. I could see 5500-5600 but if it is not making any more power at 5800 what's the point? I may just have my prop guy work my prop to try and achieve another 400 rpm. Its a heavy old cruiser and with my budget will never be fast.
Future plans call for:
MSD Igntion
IMCO Powerflow exhaust
Double cable push pull steering
Fresh Interior, Carpet Reconfigured to 2 buckets and a rear bench and flat hatch
New Trailer-Ellis
There's about 12,000 bucks.
I hope my money tree starts growing soon.
Trav

[flatties forever]

There are at least two 20' Schiada's for sale for under 20k, if you really want a quick 20, drop an aspirated single carbed 572" motor in it, you can tell the insurance company it's a 454 putting out 375 horseies and keep the cost low, just do a declared value on the hull / engine / trailer.:D Then again Prime Marine has a very trick laid up 21' Schiada bare hull for around 20k, not a single hole in it, all white ??
I don't want to take on a bare hull project. If I could do everything myself, that'd be one thing, but that is way out of my league. I'm more the take it apart, replace what's broke and put it back together type of mechanic. Thanks for the input though.
FF

[flatties forever]

Huff- Motor is rated to spin 5800. I could see 5500-5600 but if it is not making any more power at 5800 what's the point? I may just have my prop guy work my prop to try and achieve another 400 rpm. Its a heavy old cruiser and with my budget will never be fast.
Future plans call for:
MSD Igntion
IMCO Powerflow exhaust
Double cable push pull steering
Fresh Interior, Carpet Reconfigured to 2 buckets and a rear bench and flat hatch
New Trailer-Ellis
There's about 12,000 bucks.
I hope my money tree starts growing soon.
Trav
Schiada Time,
Thanks for the drive line numbers and your speed numbers. Seems like you could spin more gear especially with the tranny to get it up and rollin'. Is 5% over a normal number on your boat?? I'm with you on the motor sitch. I like the idea of keep the R's a little below what it's built for to be on the safe side. I rather spend my money on gas rather than rods and pistons..
FF

[The Doctor]

Great Thread with some very good information. I'll chime in with my two cents for what it's worth. We have a Hallett flat that we all love and now we have three other flats as well under construction (all B-boats) but Mama wanted some seating after decades of only flats so I started looking just like you, FF. I did my homework and purchased a 21' Schiada River Cruiser that had numbers on it. That way we already knew it was set up correctly. It came from sea level and landed here in Peoria, AZ and with a little tuning for altitude and a new Menkens 3 blade prop we broke the century mark right off. Granted it's a twin-turbo BBC/Turbo 400/40% gears but I can still cruise around with a grandkid on a knee board and putt through the no wake zone just fine. I'm very glad we didn't settle for anything less then the Schiada 21' RC. I don't doubt there are equals out there but it's tough to prove there are many better among the ski racers.
Each application may vary, opinions still exist, void where prohibited-I often do.

[Rexone]

FF I just fixed your PM and avatar/ sig issues. You should see it all now.

[Riverkid]

Whats going on here - looks like the exhaust comes forward?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43751&stc=1&d=1195962739
That boat has an I/O and the motor sits too far back for the exhaust to mount normally I would guess... :)

[Schiada Time]

I know its rated to spin to 5800. After I forked over the 7600 bucks trust me I read through the specs. I would say 5600 would be a sweet spot. Everytime you post you make me come up a couple hundred rpm's.
Solution=12 Degree split case with taller gears. I probably need about 15's wouldn't you say?
Travis

[steveo143]

The C-500 is a 12* so the change over shouldn't be too bad. I have a 12* taking up space in my garage. Let me know if you want to change over, I have bandsaw, mill and lathe taking up space also. Have C-500 with 22 gears also.

[mfrey]

After reading this post and others similar during the past couple years, you've reinforced what I need to do to mine: 21' Nordic, 454 (only about 500hp), T-400, 15% gears, 13x14 Kindsvater prop, 5300 rpm. I don't want any more than 5800 rpm...
I need to cut that prop down at least to 12 1/2.

[Riverkid]

REALLY nice Schiada.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44106&stc=1&d=1196354777
Rayson...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44107&stc=1&d=1196355011
20...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44108&stc=1&d=1196354860
Hallett's rig...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44109&stc=1&d=1196355097

[SGettmann]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Denise_4.jpg?t=1196378831

[SGettmann]

Bob - what's the 3rd water pickup on your cavitation plate for?
1) Sea Strainer 1 for waterpump, motor, superchiller
2) Sea Strainer 2 for oil cooler, transmission cooler and V-drive jacket cooler
3) Ballast tank pickup???
Sean

[Schiada Time]

This isn't fair-everyone has more money than me.

[Hallett]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_2.jpghttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_31.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_5.jpg
[http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_4.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_3.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_new_schiada.jpg

[bordsmnj]

This isn't fair-everyone has more money than me.
not everyone,Travis. lol
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r246/bordsmnj/schiadateardown070.jpg

[bordsmnj]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_31.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_5.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/thumbs/Scott_s_4.jpg
that engine compartment makes my mouth water.

[Schiada Time]

Jason- 19 Schiada? Its going to be bad ass man. You still in the same house? I'll have to swing by sometime. Been too long since Linda and I sang Guns and Roses
Trav

[flatties forever]

Great Thread with some very good information. I'll chime in with my two cents for what it's worth. We have a Hallett flat that we all love and now we have three other flats as well under construction (all B-boats) but Mama wanted some seating after decades of only flats so I started looking just like you, FF. I did my homework and purchased a 21' Schiada River Cruiser that had numbers on it. That way we already knew it was set up correctly. It came from sea level and landed here in Peoria, AZ and with a little tuning for altitude and a new Menkens 3 blade prop we broke the century mark right off. Granted it's a twin-turbo BBC/Turbo 400/40% gears but I can still cruise around with a grandkid on a knee board and putt through the no wake zone just fine. I'm very glad we didn't settle for anything less then the Schiada 21' RC. I don't doubt there are equals out there but it's tough to prove there are many better among the ski racers.
Each application may vary, opinions still exist, void where prohibited-I often do.
Hey Doc,
Why did you go with a 21RC vs the 22?? How much fuel do you burn on a typical day (what's typical by the way?). Can you run pump gas? How 'bout insurance? I'd be o.k. with liability only. Any idea if an "umbrella" policy would cover for liability??
I wanted an NA motor for maintenance and insurance reasons, but these photos are startin' to really bug me.. I don't wanna be the only one with a suck butt engine.... Damm. I now hate this site....

[bordsmnj]

Jason- 19 Schiada? Its going to be bad ass man. You still in the same house? I'll have to swing by sometime. Been too long since Linda and I sang Guns and Roses
Trav
yep same house. stop on by. hey grab kevin,too. ain't seen him in a year or so either. i'll be around this weekend -jas

[SGettmann]

FF - don't worry about trying to keep up with the photos. It's all eye candy and for fun. Whether you show up to the Schiada Regatta with a 19', 20', 21', or 22', with a stock 454 single carburated motor, I will still come over and check out your boat with admiration and compliments. Same goes for the Rayson Crafts, since I did those as well. It has something to with owning a boat that has a ton of character and style, which is not commonly created today. Plus, it sounds like there's a number of us younger guys (Schiada Time, Sawtooth and myself) that grew up on Schiada's. We can't afford them new, so we buy them used, put a bunch of work into them, and enjoy them. Some of us take a little longer to get to the water than others (for me, it's been over 2 years of trailer racing, but working on my boat alone has offered a ton of enjoyment - not to mention all the cool stuff that I have learned). For the amount that you want to spend, you can find a 21' in good shape that is in the early 80's, that has a strong blown or turbo motor. I would check in with Lee Spindler, since he knows the market well and can often time provide a history on the boat. My recommendation though - whatever you buy, go through it and tear the V-drive and motor apart and have her gone through. This way you know what you have and can freshen things up before burning down a complete motor. I wish that I still had photos of my original tear down on my motor. They were posted at one time, but educational to go through and see the difference. Sean

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44168&stc=1&d=1196396902
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44169&stc=1&d=1196396937
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44170&stc=1&d=1196396686

[SGettmann]

Little overkill on that turn buckle action? No flex in those cavitation plates:)

[SGettmann]

Forever Young Scott! Do you have the yellow 22' with Snoopie on the side, sitting on a ski? I remember that boat well if that's the one. The first time that I got up on doubles, Ron was in the water holding me in position to get up. Clearlake was the lake. I was pretty stoked after getting up. Boys 0-9 class was the next season, where I got my doors continually blown off by the boat #101 (Sunnytan) and #72 (don't remember) skiers who were on singles and hauled ass. 1982 is the year I recall. Sean
:D Hey Sean,
Does owning my mom & dads 1981 count as growing up Schiada !! Theirs was built when Ron ran Schiada, and thier 2002 is a Lee era build......and I still feel pretty young:D :D
Scott
p.s., I'm thinkin project 1971 Schiada Flatty might be a Leonard build ???:idea:

[franky]

:D Hey Sean,
Does owning my mom & dads 1981 count as growing up Schiada !! Theirs was built when Ron ran Schiada, and thier 2002 is a Lee era build......and I still feel pretty young:D :D
Scott
p.s., I'm thinkin project 1971 Schiada Flatty might be a Leonard build ???:idea:
Whats up with the flatty?

[WILDERTHANU]

Go Rayson...when it comes to speed, well......
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/WILDERTHANU/p1010023xj0.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/WILDERTHANU/p1010025fl1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/WILDERTHANU/RaysonSchiadacrop.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DCP_1504.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DCP_1505.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DCP_1476.JPG

[WILDERTHANU]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/path5150/l_946a4c0f23797d390d027fe5485f1c28.jpg

[SGettmann]

Is Frank DeFir the one who has the Rayson 21' mode? What about the Rayson 19', who has that one? Totally dig Rayson's. They carry the nose rather nicely.

[HighVoltage 329]

The Rayson's are sick. I had the pleasure of driving the 550 in a circle ski race at Clear Lake. What a thrill.

[Schiada Time]

Dad's 1st Schiada was a '77. I was 6 months old when he got it and we took our first river trip. He pulled it with an orange '77 Dodge Tradesman stubbie Van with a 360. Boat was orange and blue and was called KIMGRETTRA One using a portion of each kids name. My sisters were 7 and 4. The first '22 had a 351 Ford and a Volvo as Mercruiser was on strike that year and dad did not want to wait. Three years later in '80 he wanted more power so back to the Spindlers we went. Dad laid up an '80 22 foot cruiser with a 454 BBc and TRS drive. I was 4 and Lee drove me around in the shop gold cart-he was a teenager at the time. I grew up in Torrance and the shop was off Western Ave at the time and I remember looking at all the boats in the mold at the time and being mezmorized. Dad picked up the new '22 and it had about 8 colors on it-typical of the rainbow boats of the day and it sat on a triple axle Competitive trailer with chrome Cragars. He let us kids design everything with colored pencils. Oddly enough Dad went to high school with Danny-owner of Competitive. This is the boat I remember most and the boat I went to most of the Schiada boat-ins in. Dad still owns it today and we enjoy our boats together with our families on Lake Mead-where we went over 20 years ago for Schiada boat-ins-as they were called back then. My folks have a place in Boulder City, NV now and we always drive by the El Rancho Boulder Motel where we stayed all those years ago for the Schiada boat-ins. We often go into the Cofee Cup restaurant in BC for breakfast and there is all sorts of pics of Ron racing. I was around 7 or 8 when I road in 788 at Lake Mead at over 100 MPH on my Dad's lap in the passenger seat. Once my parents and I rode to Catalina with Ron and his wife in the then new 31 footer which of only a few were built. I remember i got sea sick from the rough ocean. I told this story at the Schiada regatta in 2004 at Havasu where it had been over 15 years since I had seen the Spindler family. I am married now and have a 11 year old stepdaughter. My wife and stepdaughter are both enjoying boating aboard my 1974 '22 Schiada V-drive that I completely restored last year. Prior I had a 19 Hallett Bubble Deck jet which I loved and restored as well. When family life arose I needed a bigger boat and when a deal on what seemed the perfect Spectra 20 went south this '22 Schiada came up. It took about a year of hard work but last summer was just about the best year on the water imaginable. Once I bought it I dragged it to Torrance for Lee to look it over and he gave it a clean bill of health to restore it. I may not have a 200,000 twin turbo V-drive but I have a solid and reliable family V-drive cruiser that is a conversation piece wherever I take it. Sorry for the drawn out post and I know this thread would be a lot more useful with pics but I am afraid I am not sufficient at posting images.
Travis

[SGettmann]

FF - just saw this on the NWSRA.net classifieds list. It's an IO, but price noted was within budget noted. This boat was in ***boat a few months back - has some nice rigging on her.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Boat26.jpg?t=1196405987

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=SGettmann;2918796]FF - just saw this on the NWSRA.net classifieds list. It's an IO, but price noted was within budget noted. This boat was in ***boat a few months back - has some nice rigging on her.
Thanks for the heads up!! I just called the owner and he's going to send some more pics before we discuss. I don't think I want an outdrive (though it is a speedmaster!!), but there should be more interior room which I really want... Actually-- it's a requirement if I'm going to spend this much money..Not sure if I can get over it though. The feel and the aestetic look is such an important part to me.. Notice the picture wasn't from the back??
I know outdrives are fast-- 10-12 degree struts on v drive= inefficiency. Outdrives have 90* power transfer and prop pushes in a strait line = good, but jeeeezzz it's not a vdrive. Something might be wrong with me???

[SGettmann]

Outdrives are faster, as they push more of the boat out of the water and less drag. Not as reliable as a V-drive though, but wanted to send you this option. The motor in there alone is a considerable chunk of change.
Sean

[HighVoltage 329]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/ParkerSkiRace.jpg
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http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/1402P1010049.jpg

[JAA_CBA]

Forever Young Scott! Do you have the yellow 22' with Snoopie on the side, sitting on a ski? I remember that boat well if that's the one. The first time that I got up on doubles, Ron was in the water holding me in position to get up. Clearlake was the lake. I was pretty stoked after getting up. Boys 0-9 class was the next season, where I got my doors continually blown off by the boat #101 (Sunnytan) and #72 (don't remember) skiers who were on singles and hauled ass. 1982 is the year I recall. Sean
Hey Sean, my first post but since you brought up #101 and #72. #101 was Sonny Tan towing Mason Thompson and #72 was Tom Ward, pulling me, Dan Aldrich. I have this old picture of me, Mason and Brent Norblad on the outside behind his Dad in #6. The boat in the middle was what Sonny switched to and changed the number to #43. This was a race on the lower lake at Castaic. Not sure of the year but I think we were in 10-12 or 13-15, to long ago to remember.
I also thought since this post was about ski race boats from the 80's, I would put up a picture of three of the boats being discussed. Schiada, Hallett and Rayson Craft. I raced behind all of them and have driven all of them, and for an all around family boat to run in rough water, as long as you don't want to go over 65mph, the 22 Schiada with a stock motor would be fantastic.
Coudn't post pic, so look for it in Spudwig's post below.

[SPUDWIG]

Hey Sean, my first post but since you brought up #101 and #72. #101 was Sonny Tan towing Mason Thompson and #72 was Tom Ward, pulling me, Dan Aldrich. I have this old picture of me, Mason and Brent Norblad on the outside behind his Dad in #6. The boat in the middle was what Sonny switched to and changed the number to #43. This was a race on the lower lake at Castaic. Not sure of the year but I think we were in 10-12 or 13-15, to long ago to remember.
I also thought since this post was about ski race boats from the 80's, I would put up a picture of three of the boats being discussed. Schiada, Hallett and Rayson Craft. I raced behind all of them and have driven all of them, and for an all around family boat to run in rough water, as long as you don't want to go over 65mph, the 22 Schiada with a stock motor would be fantastic.
Coudn't post pic, so look for it in Spudwig's post below.
here is the pic

[sawtooth]

FF - just saw this on the NWSRA.net classifieds list. It's an IO, but price noted was within budget noted. This boat was in ***boat a few months back - has some nice rigging on her.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Boat26.jpg?t=1196405987
Is this Ron's old 210 Hallett (from Custom Canvas) "even Quicker", or is it the Cole's "Judgement Day" Nice looking boat and trailer, this boat always ran very strong if it's one of the one's I am thinking of.

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44219&stc=1&d=1196477784
Different 210...

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=HighVoltage 329;2919689][
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/1402199SchiadaRC6.jpg
Damm-- that yellow boat is gettin' it!:)
FF

[Rexone]

Is this Ron's old 210 Hallett (from Custom Canvas) "even Quicker", or is it the Cole's "Judgement Day" Nice looking boat and trailer, this boat always ran very strong if it's one of the one's I am thinking of.
That appears to be Ron's old boat. Excellent running and setup boat at least back then.

[Rexone]

Anyone know what Bill Simpson is up to these days?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DCP_1504.JPG

[84 cougar]

He is still up in Lakeport. Last summer he bought a DCB something between 27'-30' v bottom. Nasty 600"+ motor in it.So still into fast boats.

[mbrown2]

That yellow 210 twin turbo is a killer deal....very nice ride.

[SGettmann]

Hi Dan - thanks for posting and getting the 'old school' photo up. I'll need to have my dad check this out, he'll flip a lid royally, as these are all the guys that the family used to race with. Also - wanted to get this photo up for everyone to see. Guys - this was in the circle racing hay day. Men's open was freak'in nuts. A complete drag race down the front stretch. Places like Chula Vista and Mission Bay were home to constant racing back in the early 80's. Spent a lot of time there as a kid. Chula Vista freaked me out with all the jelly fish in the water, but when you're 6 getting thrown overboard on a starting line to get your ass kicked, what do you expect. All that photo is missing is the red-white and blue helmet of Earnie Earl with him sitting up on the deck of the boat, sticking his thumb up the driver's nose, signalling him to go faster, as he's trying to look over the rooster tail. Earnie had been known to start beating on air scoops on engines with tall tunnel rams as it's going 80 mph down the water, annoyed cause he can't see the skier. Then again, he has been pitched out of the boat too - including my dad's while towing my mom. Good stuff. Thanks again Dan for posting! Sean
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/SkiRace.jpg?t=1196493611

[Rexone]

...............

[Riverkid]

To keep Topless out!.. :D :D

[Racey]

Whats going on here - looks like the exhaust comes forward?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43751&stc=1&d=1195962739
That boat has an I/O and the motor sits too far back for the exhaust to mount normally I would guess... :)
Arrowhead boat, the entire straight section of pipe at the bottom is muffler'd, the thing is so quiet it sounds like a stocker, it's waterjacketed all the way to to where it connects to the tail pipes at the transom.
We had IMCO manifolds on it first with the same type of pipe setup and the f'n things would keep pulling water into the engine, we tried smaller cams, still did it, fabbed up velocity cones to put on the manifold where it connects to the pipe, to try and increase pressure inside the manifold a little and speed up the exhaust as it entered the pipe, still f'n sucked water. We have the old set of pipes still about a weeks solid of work to fab them down the tubes, threw the manifolds in the garbage, never bought IMCO's for anything again.
probably robs a good amount of HP but the boat is only used on that lake and it's 35mph anyway, if i remember correctly the Engine makes about 630hp on Carsons Dyno, All Alum 540CuIn.

[whiteworks]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/frontangle.jpg
Rex Ive driven by your pad a million times, had no clue. I lived around the corner on 23rd up until last year. I always wondered what was under that cover and who lived there. I'm really curious about the other boat behind it, somthing with twin wakkers.

[Hallett]

I have never seen your boat until now it sure looks great Mike.
it sounds like it runs well to .

[Rexone]

I'm really curious about the other boat behind it, somthing with twin wakkers.
The twin Vector is sold and now resides in Belgium as a single engine practice boat for a ski racer there. It participated in the Diamond race this year there. The Schiada is also at the shop now. I had it up there for awhile (actually quite awhile) during the transition between shops.
Thanks Hallett although right now not running all that well. :)

[SGettmann]

Hi Rex - Thanks for posting photos- really sweet setup. Love the Balsa floors. I have a question, on the dual MSD ingition box and blaster coil - you have a dual setup. Can you share any information on how this was setup? Is there a switch, or do you manually have to reach back and change some wiring around. I'm thinking about doing something similar to my setup, after I get her running, of course. Thanks,
Sean

[blackcloud75]

This is my 24'r's little twin sister.....
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_2.jpghttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_31.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_5.jpg
[http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_4.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_s_3.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Scott_new_schiada.jpg

[Rexone]

Hi Rex - Thanks for posting photos- really sweet setup. Love the Balsa floors. I have a question, on the dual MSD ingition box and blaster coil - you have a dual setup. Can you share any information on how this was setup? Is there a switch, or do you manually have to reach back and change some wiring around. I'm thinking about doing something similar to my setup, after I get her running, of course. Thanks,
Sean
Thanks Sean,
Yes it is a special toggle switch supplied by MSD. I mounted it in the plate right under the coil splitter although it's hard to make out in the photo there. You simply flip the switch underway and you are on a whole different ignition system (box and coil). I also use the vibration isolators on the boxes and the 8222 hi vibration coils.

[SGettmann]

Does Rex marine carry that stuff? I need it - both the dampening coils, the switch, need it all. Don't think I had any of that stuff with my initial setup. The more I read this forum, the more stuff that I realized that I don't have:)

[Rexone]

Does Rex marine carry that stuff? I need it - both the dampening coils, the switch, need it all. Don't think I had any of that stuff with my initial setup. The more I read this forum, the more stuff that I realized that I don't have:)
Yeah funny how that works. :D
We carry the whole MSD line. I should have the coils on the shelf, I probably will have to order the switch and coil wire splitter.

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44651&stc=1&d=1196997678
Your colors! That's pretty unique. How fast, and how did it handle? :)

[flatties forever]

Thanks RK. Even though I have no clue if that is Rex1's, I'm just glad to have something other than Lot Lez vs Wide Mouth. Don't get me wrong. I'm still reading all the posts but jeeeeeezz.

[Riverkid]

is an OB...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44673&stc=1&d=1197039404
We had a Spectra and a Hallett V drive but once we had the twins, this is working pretty good. OB always starts, boat has a ton of room and no hot motor inside. I'll get another hot rod once the girls get bigger... :)

[Rexone]

Your colors! That's pretty unique. How fast, and how did it handle? :)
Yes it was. Sold about a year ago to guy in Belgium. It is now a single engine boat and he runs in ski races there for practice. It ran the Diamond Race there I heard in 07. Colors are completely changed now I'll see if I can find any pics then vs now.
It ran about 75 with 2 stock 200's, handled very well (heavy boat). Was used mainly for ski race practice, (rough water Havasu practice, Catalina runs, etc). Stopped ski racing for the most part so no use for boat any longer, hence sold.
I have a lot of pics of it from when I had.

[Riverkid]

Post some pics on the engine mounts/steering. Could you raise the motors? I remember when Reb939 was thinking of buying it (he got the cyclone instead). I'm wondering how mine would run with a 300 on it.... :)

[Rexone]

Post some pics on the engine mounts/steering. Could you raise the motors? I remember when Reb939 was thinking of buying it (he got the cyclone instead). I'm wondering how mine would run with a 300 on it.... :)
Yes I had twin Bob's Hydraulic Jacks on it that I mechanically tied together with a 1" crossbar so they had to go up and down together. I will find the pics and post them. I would think it would run good with a single 300 because it would be much lighter than my (2) 200's (was pretty ass heavy). This is exactly what the buyer did.

[Hava-Schiada]

Awesome thread!!! River Kid, you have quite the cool photo collection...This has to be one of the best threads I have seen!!:D :D

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44690&stc=1&d=1197052430
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44691&stc=1&d=1197052430
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44692&stc=1&d=1197052430
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44694&stc=1&d=1197052430

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44696&stc=1&d=1197052622
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44697&stc=1&d=1197052622
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44698&stc=1&d=1197052622

[mondorally]

the 66 Schiada was Boostpowers boat, sold to a guy in Havi if memory serves correctly, was back up for sale awhile ago ??
When it was for sale the owner was in So Cal (San Diego area). Not sure if it ended up selling or not. Beautiful boat.

[Riverkid]

When it was for sale the owner was in So Cal (San Diego area). Not sure if it ended up selling or not. Beautiful boat.
about 5 months ago. Those pictures are from the Boat Trader...

[Riverkid]

http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44737&stc=1&d=1197084832
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44735&stc=1&d=1197084832
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44736&stc=1&d=1197084832
This thing looks killer just on the trailer :D :D

[WILDERTHANU]

that boat runs real well these days!!

[jockorace]

Hey Flatties,
My son Steve (84 Cougar) thought you might be interested in my Sanger. I hasn't been officially for sale, however I just bought a twin to Steves 19' Cougar tunnel V-drive and I may be interested in selling the Sanger. This particular Sanger (Antonini Family) has a long ski race history at Clearlake. It is one of the few Sanger cruisers that takes a set on the tail (delta pad) and goes fast. In it's race trim it ran right on 100 mph with a blown 500" motor. When I bought it 2 years ago, it ran 96 mph with a blown 468" motor with Imco style exhaust. I've since removed those and put new wet logs on it in order to cover the motor and utilize the neat little rear jump seats. I don't even know (or care) how fast it goes now (probably honest 85mph). It a V-DRIVE, seats 7 people , and gets more attention than ANY $150k wanna-be offshore boat wherever I take it.
I see some absolutely STUNNING V-drive cruisers posted on this thread, however I dought you could purchase any of them for the $40K you have budgeted. (Obvious exception is Rushin' Roulette), owever you would need to detune and build seats, etc.
I would be in the $24K range with the blown motor and $18.5K with a fresh 477" N/A motor I have. This is a great boat at 1/2 of your budgeted amount.
Ifyou're interested, send me a PM or e-mail direct at...jockorace@tds.net
Dave
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/medium/874Sanger_Cruiser4.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/medium/874Sanger_Cruiser1.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/medium/874Sanger_Cruiser2.jpg

[HighVoltage 329]

That is a great Sanger. That's Mike Hunley's (one of Nor-Cal's fastest skiers) graddfather's boat. It is set up and is a good handling Sanger.

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=jockorace;2932939]Hey Flatties,
My son Steve (84 Cougar) thought you might be interested in my Sanger. I hasn't been officially for sale, however I just bought a twin to Steves 19' Cougar tunnel V-drive and I may be interested in selling the Sanger. This particular Sanger (Antonini Family) has a long ski race history at Clearlake. It is one of the few Sanger cruisers that takes a set on the tail (delta pad) and goes fast. In it's race trim it ran right on 100 mph with a blown 500" motor. When I bought it 2 years ago, it ran 96 mph with a blown 468" motor with Imco style exhaust. I've since removed those and put new wet logs on it in order to cover the motor and utilize the neat little rear jump seats. I don't even know (or care) how fast it goes now (probably honest 85mph). It a V-DRIVE, seats 7 people , and gets more attention than ANY $150k wanna-be offshore boat wherever I take it.
I see some absolutely STUNNING V-drive cruisers posted on this thread, however I dought you could purchase any of them for the $40K you have budgeted. (Obvious exception is Rushin' Roulette), owever you would need to detune and build seats, etc.
I would be in the $24K range with the blown motor and $18.5K with a fresh 477" N/A motor I have. This is a great boat at 1/2 of your budgeted amount.
Ifyou're interested, send me a PM or e-mail direct at...jockorace@tds.net
Dave
Dave,
Your PM is not enabled. Am in LA this weekend. Can't remember my home e-mail PW... Dammit
I will be in touch.

[Riverkid]

This one is in the trader. It's a 22...
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/8/4/90854384.htm
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44764&stc=1&d=1197138186
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44765&stc=1&d=1197138186
:D

[SGettmann]

Ok - here's some old school pictures from the family photo albums. The top picture is the Catalina Ski Race 1978 in the 102 boat, which is a 19' Schiada - vdrive with a clutch. My dad was pulling my mom and Earnie Earl observing. The second photo is the 84 boat - 18' Rayson at Marine Stadium pulling my mom. Charlie Squire driving, with Earnie sticking his thumb up Charlie's nose. Mom was being pulled at +80 mph. Tight turns to be going that fast in the straight aways - my parents will be cooler than I ever will.:)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Catalina_MarineStadium.jpg?t=1197167024

[SGettmann]

Here's some more photos - 1978 at Clearlake marathons and bottom photo is Marine Stadium.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/marinestadium.jpg?t=1197167599

[SGettmann]

Totally dig this one - mom's getting down the water here:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Mom_Ski_marineStadium.jpg?t=1197167715

[SGettmann]

Here's Dad out getting down the water in the 47 boat on Nacimiento @ about 7200 RPM - 20' Schiada V-drive with a 482 BBC - naturally aspirated. Notice how much air is under the rear chine. Much different riding boat than the 21'. Doesn't take as much HP to push her.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/47_nosecarry.jpg?t=1197167837

[SGettmann]

Here's a photo of Dad pulling Mom with Charlie Squire observing:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Dan_Charlie_47.jpg?t=1197168039

[SGettmann]

Getting Loaded before the start of the ClearLake Marathon.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Ski_Racing_1.jpg?t=1197168183

[SGettmann]

Note: Top folder was Joules Vandebrock's 20's Schiada with the ArmorAll coloring scheme down at Dana Point. Really nice looking boat. I'm trying to find picture of Billy Way's 84 boat that was a 20' Schiada blown - named blown Crazy. I'm sure that boat is still running around somewhere and would love to see some current photos of her. Below is the motor that my dad ran for a season or two in his 20' Schiada - Billy had the same motor built up by Charlie. Enjoy......
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Blown_47_Boat_Motor.jpg?t=1197168344

[SGettmann]

Nationals down at Mission Bay with Pete Mitchel driving and I believe Obnoxious is observing. Jeff from Goldfinger Racing Productions is skiing I believe.
http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/?action=view&current=helmetcam1.flv
Hopefully the following link will get you to the video. Turn up your speakers - it's pretty cool. Special thanks to Jeff for sending this over to me a few years back.
Sean

[84 cougar]

Nationals down at Mission Bay with Pete Mitchel driving and I believe Obnoxious is observing. Jeff from Goldfinger Racing Productions is skiing I believe.
http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/?action=view&current=helmetcam1.flv
Hopefully the following link will get you to the video. Turn up your speakers - it's pretty cool. Special thanks to Jeff for sending this over to me a few years back.
Sean
Absolutely fricken awesome. Those pics and video were great. Thanks for posting them. One pic looks like it was taken right in front of the cove I grew up in at Willo Point, Lakeport.

[SKIA36]

Sean/Scott?
The boat #101(SunTan) you refer to is a 18' hallett mini cruiser owned then By Sonny Tan from Arrowhead. That boat was sold to the Anderson clan from arrowhead and is still a great circle boat. The old time arrowhead skiers claim it still has the best wake of any boat using a 90' ski line.
What are your parents names? I started ski racing in 1978.

[SGettmann]

Hi Skia36 - thanks for the update on Sonny's boat. That was one of the more competive boats on the circuit back in the early 80's. I found a few more photos this morning that I'm getting scanned.
Parent's names are Roger and Mary Ann Gettmann.
Sean
Sean/Scott?
The boat #101(SunTan) you refer to is a 18' hallett mini cruiser owned then By Sonny Tan from Arrowhead. That boat was sold to the Anderson clan from arrowhead and is still a great circle boat. The old time arrowhead skiers claim it still has the best wake of any boat using a 90' ski line.
What are your parents names? I started ski racing in 1978.

[SGettmann]

Ok - here's one that I dug up. Myself back in 1980 showing off my mom and dad's boat. I remember the neighbors getting a little ticked when my dad was running the valves in the afternoon out in front of the house. Some of the neighbors loved it, others weren't so happy. The garage was the engine shop back then. Enjoy the photo!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Early_47_Photos.jpg?t=1197225736

[SGettmann]

Finally found photos of Billy Way's 'Blown Crazy'. The bottom photo is of a 21' Schiada that Ron Spindler was setting up with a Jaguar V12. I recall the boat running 120 mph or so.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/BlownCrazyandJaguar.jpg?t=1197226192

[SGettmann]

Did an image of this. Many old school ski racers shown here.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/80highpoints.jpg?t=1197226325
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/80highPoints-1.jpg?t=1197226424
Chuckie Journagan (sp?) in the second image - he was super cool and could ski really fast. Him and his poca dotted ski shorts - The guy had no fear. I totally looked up to him as a kid (he was just a few years older than me).

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=SGettmann;2934580]Ok - here's one that I dug up. Myself back in 1980 showing off my mom and dad's boat. I remember the neighbors getting a little ticked when my dad was running the valves in the afternoon out in front of the house. Some of the neighbors loved it, others weren't so happy. The garage was the engine shop back then. Enjoy the photo!
Those pics are very cool! Easy to see why you are into it so. Very lucky to have such a good family! Take care,
FF

[19.6 schiada]

reading the last 2 pages you guys realy know how to make some one feel old . SGettmann talking about skiing 0-9 class in 1982 , I was 18 & skiing 16-19m behind boat #471 driven by Dave Allen . the good old days.

[steveo143]

Keep em coming. I'm not going anywhere...
I'm foaming and drooling..
There are 3 great deals over on dragboats.com. The DiMarco 21 less motor is a beauty as well as the twin turboed schiada 19. Step up and have a Merry Merry Christmas.

[haulina29]

SGettman the 102 was originally Andy Davis from Torrance it was ordered as a Jet and switched at the last minute the cap was originally tan and it was called Quick Sand . Latter the interior was taken out as well as the carpet the floors were flow coated etc the flames on the deck where added to cover a girl skiing on doubles that was done by Phil Statten in torrance,Andy shit when he picked it up and that mural was on the deck. I actually made the wood shoe in woodshop that was in the cav plate pedal in the 9th grade in case you are interested.A long time lurker Dave Meissen used to ski against Andy JR right Dave lol lol. H29

[SKIA36]

Phenomenal pictures Sean...deja vu, i'm getting race fever again!

[SGettmann]

Yeah - me too. I should have mine (21') finished and then register her on the NWSRA circuit. On the 47 boat, we'll get that registered too, but have a bit of work to do on her. Making up new cavitation plates and tearing all the rigging out of her to reanodize. Also have some grinding and glass/cloth work to do on the gass tank mounts. She'll be good as new when I'm done - plus a brand new fresh motor to boot.
Sean
Phenomenal pictures Sean...deja vu, i'm getting race fever again!

[VDRIVERACING]

Note: Top folder was Joules Vandebrock's 20's Schiada with the ArmorAll coloring scheme down at Dana Point. Really nice looking boat. I'm trying to find picture of Billy Way's 84 boat that was a 20' Schiada blown - named blown Crazy. I'm sure that boat is still running around somewhere and would love to see some current photos of her. Below is the motor that my dad ran for a season or two in his 20' Schiada - Billy had the same motor built up by Charlie. Enjoy......
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/Blown_47_Boat_Motor.jpg?t=1197168344
I'd love to find an injection setup like this...

[VDRIVERACING]

Did an image of this. Many old school ski racers shown here.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/80highpoints.jpg?t=1197226325
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/80highPoints-1.jpg?t=1197226424
Chuckie Journagan (sp?) in the second image - he was super cool and could ski really fast. Him and his poca dotted ski shorts - The guy had no fear. I totally looked up to him as a kid (he was just a few years older than me).
Anyone have pics of the S-9? RaysonCraft 21' that pulled Buck Baker to the Catalina Men's title in '75(?)...

[HighVoltage 329]

reading the last 2 pages you guys realy know how to make some one feel old . SGettmann talking about skiing 0-9 class in 1982 , I was 18 & skiing 16-19m behind boat #471 driven by Dave Allen . the good old days.
Is this the boat? I was skiing mens novice in '82 I was 25.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/Copyofscan0004.jpg

[HighVoltage 329]

I skied behind this boat (Chuck Marino's) in 1982 and was able to buy it at the end of the season.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/scan0005-1.jpg

[jockorace]

HV,
When did Chuck Marino have the blue 19' Hallett? (The one Hal Reidel bought). Was it after this boat you bought? Jocko

[Boat211]

My wife just informed me that she thinks that is correct. Now it sits broken as far as we know.

[HighVoltage 329]

HV,
When did Chuck Marino have the blue 19' Hallett? (The one Hal Reidel bought). Was it after this boat you bought? Jocko
He built the blue 19' in the winter of '82. He flew Jimmy Anderson in to help set the strut, he lived in Arizona at the time. Eric Scovel still has that boat he bought it from Hal. It's a nice piece and could be bought at a fair price.

[84 cougar]

I skied behind this boat (Chuck Marino's) in 1982 and was able to buy it at the end of the season.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g229/MistahBobbs/scan0005-1.jpg
HEY DAD, DID YOU NOTICET THE BLOWER AND FUEL LOG SET UP.. i DONT REMEMBER IF THE SET UP YOU BOUGHT WAS A SPARE OR THAT ONE...

[HighVoltage 329]

HEY DAD, DID YOU NOTICET THE BLOWER AND FUEL LOG SET UP.. i DONT REMEMBER IF THE SET UP YOU BOUGHT WAS A SPARE OR THAT ONE...[/QUOTE]
I have still have that set-up. You guys must have Marino's spare. Did you buy it from Chuck? Was It the whole motor?

[19.6 schiada]

HV thats the boat . how long did you race for or are you still skiing ? heres some pictures from Mission bay 82 , 83?
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/showphoto.php?photo=54250

[HighVoltage 329]

Skied from '81 to '83 in novice and did well. Moved to 25-29 men in '84 and got a lesson from the guys that grew up doing it. Mike & Rick Avila, Johnny Belville and Byron Whipple.

[circleboatKIDD]

Im sure some of you guys got a couple of these trophys laying around! My grandpa (Bud Allerton) pulled my uncle (Brad Allerton) in the flat bottom class. I think he also pulled a couple women ill have to look into that. I think from about the early 80s to mid 90s then he went to apba. I actually have some video of the nationals in San Diego ill have to check the year, but it was when Ronnie Micgrin (sp) lunched everyone down the first straight in the main ***boat final in his K boat. The next im up at are Clearlake house ill scan some old pics we have tons of then.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/norcalspeedshop/digitalcamerapics294.jpg?t=1197956678

[jockorace]

HV329,
I bought the complete spare blower setup (w / carbs, and that trick plate mounted fuel log (dual fuel inlets with checkvalves) from Hal in 1986. I kept it and used it on several motors for about 20 yrs.
Here's the setup on the last boat I ran it on. Dave