Sanger Circle Runners

[V-DRV]

Anybody have any pics of old Sanger Circle Runners in "race trim"? I would love to see some pics of back then and now for that matter if there are any survivors. I brought this one home a few weeks ago. I think it will make a fun lake boat!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/516/pic8.jpg

[Squirtin Thunder]

I plan on getting one to run in the Nostalgia Flat class and then maybe ProStock. I am very excited to see what gets posted on this thread.

[Running_on_Empty]

that sanger is sweet.....I saw it on ebay a few times...and I think it was posted here on the boats for sale section. That is one clean boat. Any stories behind it?

[V-DRV]

The boat is a 1978. The guy I bought it from said he bought it from the original owner. He has owned since June as far as I can tell. He thought it was a drag runner, but after some research on this site I figured out it was a circle runner. It is a real clean boat and it runs great. I was hoping someone on the site would recognize it and tell me some more about it? Me and my Dad got to run it once here before the snow flew. It was an awesome ride and I cannot wait until spring!

[flattie]

What makes you think its a circle runner vs a drag runner? I do belive I have the paperwork that says mine is a circle runner

[Squirtin Thunder]

Hope this helps.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb43/sam_snead01/sangerad.jpg
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/Circle%20boats%20002.jpg
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/Grich%20068.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/v-drive_ads_003.jpg

[Rexone]

My old boat. :)
Purchased from Rick Williams in around 1978 or so. Turned into a blown gas river boat had for 2-3 years and sold to someone in Huntington Beach less motor. If anyone knows whereabouts of this hull pls let me know.
http://www.v-drivevideo.com/jerrysgallery/albums/userpics/10001/Grich%20068.jpg

[V-DRV]

What makes you think its a circle runner vs a drag runner? I do belive I have the paperwork that says mine is a circle runner
Well I guess I don't know for sure. I did alot of research on this site before we picked it up and somewhere it said they have a W shaped skag (which it does) a shallow 3/8" runnerbottom (which it does) and measure 18'3" (which it does). I could be wrong? Anyone? I searched before I posted and couldn't come up with where I read that?

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Well I guess I don't know for sure. I did alot of research on this site before we picked it up and somewhere it said they have a W shaped skag (which it does) a shallow 3/8" runnerbottom (which it does) and measure 18'3" (which it does). I could be wrong? Anyone? I searched before I posted and couldn't come up with where I read that?
I believe only the circle runner was 18' 3".

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Hope this helps.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/v-drive_ads_003.jpg
This boat was not a circle runner.

[Sangerboy]

Just by looking on the outside, I don't think you can tell which is which. One of these boats is a drag runner the other is a circle runner, if you don't already know the boats, can you tell which is which?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/411sangers.jpg
Besides the above mentioned differences, the quickest way I've found to differentiate them is that the circle runner has a slight V in the hull where the turn fins mount under the v-drive. The drag runners pad is flat until it feathers into the forward portion of the hull.

[amatosanger]

Just by looking on the outside, I don't think you can tell which is which. One of these boats is a drag runner the other is a circle runner, if you don't already know the boats, can you tell which is which?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/411sangers.jpg
Besides the above mentioned differences, the quickest way I've found to differentiate them is that the circle runner has a slight V in the hull where the turn fins mount under the v-drive. The drag runners pad is flat until it feathers into the forward portion of the hull.
I believe the one on the right is the circlerunner.

[sangervdrive]

I believe mine measures around 18'6" but it has CIR RUNNER stamped on the v-drive midplate, I believe the stamping is on the bottom of the plate facing the floor.

[V-DRV]

I tried to get some decent shots at lunch but they didn't turn out real well. The boat has quite a bit of v to it in the nose till about the middle of the boat. It does measure exactly 18'3" which I read somewhere a drag runner is 17' something and a circle runner is 18' 3"?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/misc_095.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/misc_089.jpg

[steve d]

......Does anybody think Sanger rigged his boat? If it's for circle racing--
Not sure why it's not running off the nose....Matter of preference???

[sangerflatty]

I was told this is a circle boat do to the bottom has a slight v in the rear of this sanger

[V-DRV]

I am not saying its a Circle Boat. I believe it is a Circle Runner which is the model. But from what I have read the hull was run by people as a circle boat in the 70's? I am sure a race hull was quite different as far as how it was constructed. Balsa floors, lighter and heavier lay-up and ya the motor would be in the other direction on a circle boat.

[Squirtin Thunder]

In the bottom right corner of this pic it has all the factory hull dementions.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb43/sam_snead01/sangerad.jpg

[sanger ss396]

where are you located in idaho. we have a very active circle boat racing group in northern idaho and eastern washington

[V-DRV]

I live in Pocatello. About 80 miles from Burley. I would love to check you guys out and maybe participate. I have family and friends in Lewiston and Couerdalene. Where do you guys run relative to those places? When is your first get together?

[sanger ss396]

most of our race sights are within one to two hrs drive from spokane wa. if you look at a map of eastern wa. and northern idaho. there is newport wa. grand coulee wa. moses lake wa. ione wa. the newport race is 4th of july weekend moses lake is in sept. and grand coulee race is at banks lake is on fathers day weekend. there is some other races pending. also some of us are hope to make it down to burley for the race. our most famous racer from here in spokane is circle jerk. keep in touch with me or the jerk for race up dates and we do post the dates here also.

[Sangerboy]

I believe the one on the right is the circlerunner.
Right you are amato, where are you located? My youngest daughter is in school at Berrien Springs near Benton Harbor and I get out there occasionally. Greg
I tried to get some decent shots at lunch but they didn't turn out real well. The boat has quite a bit of v to it in the nose till about the middle of the boat. It does measure exactly 18'3" which I read somewhere a drag runner is 17' something and a circle runner is 18' 3"?
With that much v at the entry it is likely a circle runner and the drag runners measured 18' 6"
I was told this is a circle boat do to the bottom has a slight v in the rear of this sanger
That could be a 19' model as it has a slight v, cool cross ram BTW, any more shots of the engine?

[amatosanger]

Right you are amato, where are you located? My youngest daughter is in school at Berrien Springs near Benton Harbor and I get out there occasionally. Greg
I'm in Grand Rapids. Tony

[hulshot]

Is the 19foot sanger with a slight v and a split plate a cirlcle boat? A friend has a 81, 19footer it has a single turn fin that is long, aobut 12 inches and fairly deep in the water.
he wants it to be a drag boat. Does anyone know where a good starting point for motor placement would be, motor has about 700hp.

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Is the 19foot sanger with a slight v and a split plate a cirlcle boat? A friend has a 81, 19footer it has a single turn fin that is long, aobut 12 inches and fairly deep in the water.
he wants it to be a drag boat. Does anyone know where a good starting point for motor placement would be, motor has about 700hp.
I thought the 19's were ski boats stretched out to better accommodate back seats.
Probably not the best candidate for drag racing.

[Squirtin Thunder]

I thought the 19's were ski boats stretched out to better accommodate back seats.
Probably not the best candidate for drag racing.
The 19 was actually called a 19' Family Ski.

[howardflatty]

19' sanger family ski
http://www.primemarineusa.com/gallery/files/Client_Gallery/Sanger_Gallery/sanger4.jpg

[Rexone]

The 19 was advertised as a ski boat
The 18.6 was advertised as the drag runner bottom.
The 18.3 was advertised as the circle runner.
The 17.10 was a flat as I remember not bubble deck.
Billy can correct me I'm sure if I'm wrong (which would not surprise me lol). He worked there during that era.
As I remember (and this was many moons ago) my 18.3 had a 3-piece plate assy with longer travel (eyelevers) on the center plate which was roughly about a foot wide. I need to search for my pics which I have a bunch of (pre-digital age).

[V-DRV]

Here is the plate set-up on this boat.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/pic42.jpg

[vdriver4ever]

You boat looks great... My brothers and I have about 4 or 5 vdrives and lots of stories if you ever get to Boise to share. I would love to see your boat as well.

[FLAT557]

V-DRV, Nice boat. I've ran with this boat when Anthony owned it this past summer.I run in the low 90's and your boat had me by a good 10 to 15 MPH.Please take a good look at the safety gear on that boat,last time I looked at it it had no whirl-away and only one small 1/2'' wide safety collar on the prop shaft.It's too fast of a boat to run the way it was.Check it out ,be safe! J-Dub.

[V-DRV]

I actually met your brother Mike a few months back. I was looking at the Riviera he has. I got to see your dads Aquacraft, Mikes Wickens and your brothers Rayson. Beutiful boats! Also got to see your trailer being built. Real estate troubles drained my Riviera funds so that boat didn't work out. This boat is actually owned by my old man. I would love to get together with you guys next summer and do some boating. We have a nice reservior here and I have a few buddies with v-drives. It would be a fun weekend!

[V-DRV]

V-DRV, Nice boat. I've ran with this boat when Anthony owned it this past summer.I run in the low 90's and your boat had me by a good 10 to 15 MPH.Please take a good look at the safety gear on that boat,last time I looked at it it had no whirl-away and only one small 1/2'' wide safety collar on the prop shaft.It's too fast of a boat to run the way it was.Check it out ,be safe! J-Dub.
Hey thanks! I will check that out. I planned on putting a whirlaway in it this winter and changing the gears. I will check out the safety collar deal also!

[vdriver4ever]

Oh Mike has spoke highly of you... Yes it would be fun to get together. Where to you boat down there and do you have to run mufflers?

[V-DRV]

Your brother Mike is quite a character which you and almost everbody on these boards probably know! We have American Falls reservoir just to the west of us. Its my favorite place to go and I am there almost every weekend in the summer. I have a buddy with nice 63 Stevens another with a nice 72 Sanger flat and two buddies with nice jet boats. One is a hydro with a blown 572 and the other a real nice old Sanger flat. I know of some other people in Idaho Falls with v-drives. One is my old Hondo. We should definetly get together for a weekend. We have a nice big sandy cove that would be great to see full of Hot Boats!

[amatosanger]

Here is the plate set-up on this boat.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/pic42.jpg
Great looking Sanger V-DRV, your boat has the identical bottom, double skag and plate setup as our 75 circlerunner. Nice colors on the paint job also. Have fun with it next summer. Tony

[707-CREW]

So what was the deal on the 17' 10" and what happens when tou put 1000hp to it?????:skull:

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

So what was the deal on the 17' 10" and what happens when tou put 1000hp to it?????:skull:
You can not accurately generalize an answer to this. There were more than 1 type of 17' 10" hulls over a wide range of years as well as boats sold and rigged with a variety of rigging and set up options.

[Sanger D]

Putting that kinda power in a 17'10" is not very healthy!!!!:eek: those old true flats are very hard to get to run "safely" at speeds above 90, you gotta have the right strut degree and gear box placement, and plate setting, problem comes when the boat starts to stick and you need an UP peddle to free it up!!!with no air runners ,its gets very ugly trying to free up a true flat!!!!!!!great river boat to 90 , after that , your on your own!!!!!!!!!

[707-CREW]

My last true flat would go 103-107 on the gps......600hp 468....This one would go 85 on the gps with a 396 and no cav pedal....I know the runner bottoms go straight but 100mph is not too hard to get....:idea:

[84 cougar]

My last true flat would go 103-107 on the gps......600hp 468....This one would go 85 on the gps with a 396 and no cav pedal....I know the runner bottoms go straight but 100mph is not too hard to get....:idea:
103-107, Well which one was it. That 4 mph variable is quite a bit. 600 HP in almost all true flats was always 85-95mph. I would love to see an honest 600HP, in a true flat, go 105 MPH. Just based on my own experiences w/ 1970 17'10" w/396, w/427, and w/ 451 bbc's.1970 Kinsvater 19" w/ 466 BBF. 1972 Sanger GullWing 18' w/ LS-7 . All of these were between 80-95 MPH. The GullWing w/850 HP around 110-115 MPH. Just sharing my own experiences..

[707-CREW]

I will let you know....I feel the same way....My first flat was set up as a runner and one time at east park the conditions were perfect and I got 107.....As soon as my new project is done I will post some reults.....The floor is getting flowed right now and then off to the paint shop...and then blown 540 WITH HELMET..I am going to just use it for a lake hot rod next season then sell the hull and move into a 501....

[V-DRV]

So no more pics of old circle runners?

[steveo143]

I will let you know....I feel the same way....My first flat was set up as a runner and one time at east park the conditions were perfect and I got 107.....As soon as my new project is done I will post some reults.....The floor is getting flowed right now and then off to the paint shop...and then blown 540 WITH HELMET..I am going to just use it for a lake hot rod next season then sell the hull and move into a 501....
Where are you getting a 501 from?