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BEER&WATER
12-05-2007, 09:11 PM
my wife wants a gun ( hand gun )she is 5' 2" small hands
perfer an auto loader .... show pic's please

YeLLowBoaT
12-05-2007, 09:16 PM
take her to the range, rent as many as you can... which one feels good in her hand and what calibur she can shoot, is the one you should get...Don't look at name brands, what maters is what gun fits, lots of women have probs reaching things like safetys or triggers on some guns Don't rule out a revoler A 357( you can shoot 38s which is important for a women) with a 4 or 6 inch barrel is a valid option.( infact it what I recomend)
Min for a auto is 9 mm, 32 H &R mag or 38 spl for a revoler.

Riomouse911
12-05-2007, 09:20 PM
Is it a CCW gun for the purse? Or one for the house only? Browning made a really nice double action .380 (mild recoil, fair power), as did Beretta.
The Sig/Glock/full sized DA auto 9mm grips are probably going to be on the large size for her hands, but with a decent amount of practice she should be able to handle any 9mm...
Tye Beretta, about 450 bucks:

riverbound
12-05-2007, 09:20 PM
I picked up one of these....you dont have to worry about teaching her to aim...she can just pull the trigger and let nature handle the rest ;)
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg

My Man's Sportin' Wood
12-05-2007, 09:21 PM
I have a .38 revolver and after shooting the 9mm Glock, I don't want to shoot mine ever again. It sucks.
I agree with Yellowboat. Take her to the range and let her try several different types.
5'2" small frame. Size 4 wedding ring should tell you how small my hands are :D

wfoflat
12-05-2007, 09:22 PM
I have a beretta tomcat as a carry pistol and my wife loves to shoot it she's also 5'2'' with small hands, it's an auto loader fits in your pocket and comes in 25 and 32 caliber. It is very small though.

My Man's Sportin' Wood
12-05-2007, 09:23 PM
I picked up one of these....you dont have to worry about teaching her to aim...she can just pull the trigger and let nature handle the rest ;)
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg
LOL

riverbound
12-05-2007, 09:26 PM
I bought my Ex-wife this one back when we were together. she didnt like the 9mm she had before (Walther PPK)
http://products.berettausa.com/images/immagini_maxi/87_Target_S_maxi.jpg
Model Cat Code Action Sights Grips Caliber Total Length
(inches) Barrel Length
(inches) Magazine
Capacity Weight Unloaded
(oz) MSRP
(USD)
87 Target J87T010 Single Target Plastic 22 LR 8.8 5.9 10 29.4 $698

468miller
12-05-2007, 09:36 PM
get her a glock 23.mini .40, thats what i carry;)

77charger
12-05-2007, 09:45 PM
consider a .357magnum revolver.teach her with .38 specials then a couple .357 magnums(can shoot.38 specials in .357 but not the other way around).They usually have a smaller grip vs an auto(at least the doublestack mag guns do).But a single stack mag auto(1911s or other autos that hold less than 8 rounds)might be considered too.
If a revolver doesnt fire just pull the trigger again with an auto you will have to be experienced to figure it out fast.
I myself prefer the 1911s that what i shoot mainly besides rifles.But any new shooter i always recomend the revolver route due to the possible jam situations and they do make a good guns too even for experienced shooter.I want to buy another 44mag for camp/backpacking gun but just need the extra cash again.

cdog
12-05-2007, 09:49 PM
We stopped by Scottsdale gun club yesterday and my wife liked the Keltec's. She has a Tomcat in .32 now. I'd like her to step up to a 9mm. She found a new interest in guns once we met a yuppie couple who hang out over at SGC. She walked in and commented on the grandmothers in the range. Now if I can get Coach to make a holster.:D

Mohave Vice
12-05-2007, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=riverbound;2929133]I picked up one of these....you dont have to worry about teaching her to aim...she can just pull the trigger and let nature handle the rest ;)
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg[/QUOTE
Are these legal in Cali?

YeLLowBoaT
12-05-2007, 10:03 PM
I picked up one of these....you dont have to worry about teaching her to aim...she can just pull the trigger and let nature handle the rest ;)
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg
the 410 shell is not as deadly as you would think... will it stop some one, with a face shot... hell yes, will it kill a 300 lb man charging... maybe. 45 lc on the other hand is very deadly... always has been. they would are a great anti car jacking weapon( IE get them to let go and you don't have to worry about stray shots), but not much else.

Outnumbered
12-05-2007, 10:06 PM
get her a glock 23.mini .40, thats what i carry;)
That would be a 27 (sub-compact .40). I love mine:)

YeLLowBoaT
12-05-2007, 10:07 PM
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Are these legal in Cali?
they are not on the approved list, yet... I know they were trying.

riverbound
12-05-2007, 10:08 PM
Are these legal in Cali?
dont ask dont tell ;)

riverbound
12-05-2007, 10:09 PM
the 410 shell is not as deadly as you would think... will it stop some one, with a face shot... hell yes, will it kill a 300 lb man charging... maybe. 45 lc on the other hand is very deadly... always has been. they would are a great anti car jacking weapon( IE get them to let go and you don't have to worry about stray shots), but not much else.
but when you alternate the 410 with the 45..... ;)

One Eyed Jack
12-05-2007, 10:12 PM
Give her a slingshot. Its only a matter of time before you screw up enough.

Mardonzi
12-05-2007, 10:12 PM
My mom is about the same size and she carries a Colt 1911 in a 32 cal.. Works well for her

BlueNun
12-05-2007, 10:14 PM
Springfield XD compact with finger extension on the mag. Its small can still get your whole hand on it and carries 12 rounds.

YeLLowBoaT
12-05-2007, 10:22 PM
but when you alternate the 410 with the 45..... ;)
I'd rather have something that will kill one the 1st shot then might kill. As I said I firmly beleave a face shot from it will stop anyone, but I'd rather beable to do the same with a center mass shot.
I use to want one, after getting my hands on one and shooting it, I changed my mind. BTW I got some of the best looks on the skeet range with it. PS it does not break clays for shit past 15 yds, still fun.

clownpuncher
12-05-2007, 10:28 PM
If you gotta ask then I assume your knowlegde and experience is fairly limited, as well as your wife's.
For a solid, no-brainer and effective weapon, I'd strongly consider the Lady Smith for your woman. Great weapon.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14753&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I'm sure I'm being repetitive, but, train-train-train with your woman when and if she gets a gun. Can't shoot enough as far as I'm concerned.

clownpuncher
12-05-2007, 10:36 PM
If you gotta ask then I assume your knowlegde and experience is fairly limited, as well as your wife's.
For a solid, no-brainer and effective weapon, I'd strongly consider the Lady Smith for your woman. Great weapon.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14753&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I'm sure I'm being repetitive, but, train-train-train with your woman when and if she gets a gun. Can't shoot enough as far as I'm concerned.
Or, one of my all time favorites, the model 640.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14790&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=26804&isFirearm=Y
Check it out. Good luck in your search. Again, get the best and most training available for your wife, good money spent;)

riverbound
12-05-2007, 10:46 PM
I'd rather have something that will kill one the 1st shot then might kill. As I said I firmly beleave a face shot from it will stop anyone, but I'd rather beable to do the same with a center mass shot.
I use to want one, after getting my hands on one and shooting it, I changed my mind. BTW I got some of the best looks on the skeet range with it. PS it does not break clays for shit past 15 yds, still fun.
That is why I carry something else. but the Judge is fun to play with.

BajaMike
12-05-2007, 10:56 PM
but when you alternate the 410 with the 45..... ;)
Yea, that's what I'm thinking.......You alternate the rounds, and teach her to aim and just keep pulling the trigger until it's empty......
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg
the bad guy is going down for sure..........:idea:

Sleeper CP
12-05-2007, 11:11 PM
You are getting a lot of good info here. You really wont know until you take
her to a range to try out a few different guns. It is different strokes for different folks, but I wouldn't recommend a magnum(.357 or 40 cal or 45) for a small frame women who hasn't shot before. But when you get to a range she my find out that she can handle it just fine. Just my .02
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover:D

YeLLowBoaT
12-05-2007, 11:11 PM
One thing I forgot to mention... ultra light wieght guns are not a good choice, med is fine, but super light stuff is painful to shoot, more so for a small staured women.

riverbound
12-05-2007, 11:41 PM
Yea, that's what I'm thinking.......You alternate the rounds, and teach her to aim and just keep pulling the trigger until it's empty......
http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/images/whatsnew-theJudge.jpg
the bad guy is going down for sure..........:idea:
Its a heavy MOFO fully loaded though.
the other nice thing with the 410 is you dont have to worry as much about penetrating walls in a home defense situation. similar reason as to why a shotgun is still the best home defense weapon IMO. Its just a smaller more portable hand held shotgun :D

riverbound
12-05-2007, 11:46 PM
Another one that is a Blast to shoot literally is this one. I like taking this one to the Range and popping off a couple. the gold gives it a lot of street cred....lol
http://remtek.com/arms/imi/desert/tn50b.gif

Charley
12-05-2007, 11:54 PM
Im a lil drunk, im gonna go see if the wife will try out my old flesh colored skin gun:D :D

YeLLowBoaT
12-06-2007, 12:28 AM
Mardonzi, see if she wants to sell it. I'll give her a a brand new one and a couple a thou to boot. It just may be the only one in history if it's a Colt 1911.:D
Rio
Its most likly a mustang... they made then in 25 auto. 32 acp and latter 380.
The other side of that is it might be a 38 super. a 32 acp 1911 would require a custom slide as breach face would be too big.

photo chick
12-06-2007, 05:47 AM
This is what I sleep with, however I have big "man hands" :D so I needed a larger handgun. The best thing for her is to take her to the range to test several out, as someone else already said.
http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20243-1.jpg

Smokin Cigarettes
12-06-2007, 06:02 AM
My wife has a .38 called a Lady Smith. Its small and easy to carry.

BoatPI
12-06-2007, 06:11 AM
Look at a .32 auto. Small purse size gun and short trigger pull. Small hands require a short trigger pull.

OGShocker
12-06-2007, 06:21 AM
If knew anything about weapons, I would recommend this product in the .380 version. Cost is low and the weapon is comfortable to fire for women of small stature. The .380 is a LOUD medium impact round and with a nine round mag' she could "spray and pray" her way out of most situations.
The BERSA, Thunder .380
http://www.bersa-sa.com.ar/images/THU380P.jpg
Characteristics
Caliber: .380 ACP
Operation: Semiautomatic
Magazine capacity: 7/9 cartridges
Rear sight: Dovetailed Adjustable
Front sight: In the slide
Safeties: Firing pin
Grips: Polymer
Dimensions
Overall length: 168 mm/6.6 in.
Height: 120 mm/4.7 in.
Width: 33 mm/1.3 in.
Barrel length: 90 mm/3 in.
Weight: 560 gr./19.75 oz.

phebus
12-06-2007, 06:24 AM
If you gotta ask then I assume your knowlegde and experience is fairly limited, as well as your wife's.
For a solid, no-brainer and effective weapon, I'd strongly consider the Lady Smith for your woman. Great weapon.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14753&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
I'm sure I'm being repetitive, but, train-train-train with your woman when and if she gets a gun. Can't shoot enough as far as I'm concerned.
My ex-wife used to have one of those. Small, fit her hands nice, and fit in her purse easily when she needed to carry.

gramps
12-06-2007, 06:32 AM
How much experience does she have with firearms? Does she know how to handle a auto? If not a .38 revolver may be the way to go. If she is commfy with a auto and you don't mind spending the $$$ the Kimber Ultra CDP (.45) or the Springfield EMP (9mm) are very good conceal carry guns.

bonesfab
12-06-2007, 07:38 AM
You gays are nuts talking about arming women. Better run for cover that one week a month... Taking PMS to a whole new level.:D :D

letsride24-7
12-06-2007, 07:54 AM
get her a glock 23.mini .40, thats what i carry;)
WOW. I let my girl shot my 23. She is 5' 2" with small hands. I almost lost my face when the recoil sent her hand up and towards me. I was even behind her. And she has shot smaller firearms before..
Check out the Colt 380 mustangs. Great guys for both CCW and ladies.

cdog
12-06-2007, 08:32 AM
Another one that is a Blast to shoot literally is this one. I like taking this one to the Range and popping off a couple. the gold gives it a lot of street cred....lol
http://remtek.com/arms/imi/desert/tn50b.gif
DA Eagle Wit Beamzzz!:D

Trailer Park Casanova
12-06-2007, 08:38 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Walther_PPK_1848.jpg/300px-
My Wife pax a Walther PPK or a S&W 357.
The Walther is a teriffic chix weapon for petite hands, no kick, but very loud.

delemorte
12-06-2007, 08:46 AM
it totaly depends on what the purpose is.
If its a carry in her purse i would say a hammerless S&W titanium revolver. Wont jam up if fired in her purse and very light weight. http://www.snubnose.info/images/Model_642_10_450.jpg
Personally i carry a Springfeild subcompact in 9MM. 10 round capacity.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/9/25723531115.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6616568)
But when i leave for travel the wife prefers that i leave her the XD 45 acp. She is only 5.4 with small hands but she prefers the stopping power of the 45. I kid you not she loves this one.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/9/25723531057.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6616562)
but to be honest its up to your wife and what she is comfortable shooting. if she wont shoot it then its useless, or if she cant shoot it its no good.
Also think about its use and where it will be used. If its going to be a purse gun then an auto is no good as after the first round its going to jam so go hammerless revolver in the largest caliber she can comfortably use.

Jbb
12-06-2007, 08:51 AM
This is what I sleep with
https://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44604&stc=1&d=1196959856
:jawdrop:

DaddyMack
12-06-2007, 09:01 AM
Let her go to the range and shoot a bunch of inexpensive .22's to get used to a hand gun.. then have her try several others.. I wouldn't carry less than a .380 IMO with wadcutters or something similar if you can get them...cheap, easy and does some damage.
Hammerless Revolver is best because it will always fire and less things to get caught on when pulling out of a purse, semi's can jam. BUT my ex-wife ended up choosing a glock model 23 (.40) (she did have good taste in guns..lol). I think heavier model is better because it tends to stay closer to the target on recoil. BUT again.. she needs to fire them, any good range will have a bunch to try.
my .02

Mardonzi
12-06-2007, 09:19 AM
Its most likly a mustang... they made then in 25 auto. 32 acp and latter 380.
The other side of that is it might be a 38 super. a 32 acp 1911 would require a custom slide as breach face would be too big.
I think you are correct. What I was meaning to say is that it is the 1911 style.

Baja Big Dog
12-06-2007, 11:46 AM
Ive said it before, and Ill say it again, does a woman (of the subjects stature) have the ability to chamber an automatic, IN A CRISIS SITUATION! You be the judge.
I sold guns for many years, back in the "ole days", I sold many many small frame .38's to women, the five shot Smiths, and now the Smith "Lady Smith". These are great guns, light weight, (which is a major disadvantage when shooting heavy loads), for the most part when talking about self defense, on the street and in the home, these guns are great.
Below are some loads that I sold just for these guns in these situations, and the results of testing.
[IMG]http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bajabigdog/exp_38HBWC.jpg
Sufficient "stopping power" for home defense can be obtained with a 0.357" bullet if it is properly chosen and reloaded to acceptable velocities. The photo above shows the results of tests using a Speer .357" hollow base wadcutter - loaded backwards - with the full huge hollowpoint exposed. At the extreme left above is a .38 S&W cartridge with a Speer 38 HBWC loaded backwards, and at right is a .38 Special with the same bullet. The load was 3.0 grains of Red Dot, for a "real world" velocity of over 820 fps in a 3" barrel. Recoil was extremely mild and the load is suitable even for old top-break .38 S&W's.
Bullet #1 was loaded with the hollow base down, as normal. Penetration was far too great and there was no expansion. This loading is unacceptable for home defense.
Bullet #2 was loaded backward, but the bullet hit solid bone. There was no "fluid" to effect an opening of the hollow cavity, so the cavity collapsed and the bullet nose "self forged" into a spire point. Expansion was to 0.625" with very sharp cutting edges, and penetration was not excessive.
Bullet #3 was loaded backward and fired into fluid with no solid object hit (a "gut shot"). Hydraulic effect in the hollow cavity resulted in expansion to 0.694", and penetration was 6". The hydrostatic shock of this bullet is incredible, and there was full transfer of 200 ft. lbs of energy within 6" of bullet impact travel.
Bullet #4 was loaded backward and first hit soft tissue and fluid, then hit hard bone. The hydraulic effect opened the hollow cavity which was then further expanded by contact with a hard object. Expansion was to 0.800" with sharp cutting edges. This is almost twice the diameter of a .45 ACP bullet - and the sharp edges combined with the rotational aspect imparted by the rifling had a cutting power not possible with a non expanding round nose 0.452" bullet at the same velocity.
Properly loaded, even an ancient top break .38 S&W has adequate "stopping power" for home defense. "Properly loaded" includes overall cartridge length. There is no ogive on the full-diameter hollow base wadcutter loaded backwards, but revolver chambers have a "step" in the forward portion of the cylinder for the bullet. The bullets must be seated deeply enough to slightly enter the chamber fully without resistance. As individual handguns have different specifications for chamber dimensions, the loaded cartridges must be tried in each chamber to obtain the correct seating depth. That is why the seating depth of the bullets in the cartridges shown above is not the same.
Loaded into a .38 Special case to velocities exceeding 950 fps, expansion of the backwards-loaded hollow base wadcutter is spectacular, often resulting in considerable bullet fragmentation. For home defense, however, the higher velocity is not needed, as it results in considerably higher recoil and noise, neither of which is desirable when fired from a small handgun fired in the confines of a closed room.

STV_Keith
12-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Personally, I wouldn't let her consider anything smaller than 9mm. That's because anything smaller is considered a minor caliber. The advantage to most 9mm's is capacity. Even though it's a minor caliber, if you have 15 per mag, you're probably going to get the job done if you've had some training.
As mentioned above, go to a range that will rent you different pistols and let her try them out. START at 9mm and move up, then see what she's comfortable shooting and what fits her hand.
TRAINING will be her biggest ally. MAKE SURE to get her some real training once she picks the weapon. I'd suggest Front Sight (www.frontsight.com) firearms training facility between Vegas and Pahrump, NV. My ex did quite well in the class with her 9mm, and there is a lot to learn. Plus, you can find certificates online to take those $2000 classes for around $125!

Redneck
12-06-2007, 12:02 PM
well my wife is 5ft and about 100 lbs and this is her small gun she carries around
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Heather_with_desert_eagle.jpg

Baja Big Dog
12-06-2007, 12:06 PM
well my wife is 5ft and about 100 lbs and this is her small gun she carries around
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/Heather_with_desert_eagle.jpg
She wouldnt need a gun...those red eyes would share me to death!!:D

atomickitn
12-06-2007, 12:24 PM
well my wife is currently carring both the bretta 9mm fully auto (military) ,and and M16, just for kicks......and is rated and expert marksman by the U S NAVY.:D

Infomaniac
12-06-2007, 12:27 PM
Either of those should take care of her. :eek:
But I'd hire it done instead of do it yourself. Make sure it is done when you are in a good place that can be verified. ;)
And remove all traces of your computer so the cops do not see this thread.

thom
12-06-2007, 02:33 PM
for home.. nothing better than the old alley sweeper..
Like dad said .
There are two universal sounds in this world. one is a fart the other is a shotgun being racked,:sqeyes:
set it and forget it!

buzzaro
12-06-2007, 04:05 PM
Aftermarket grips are something to consider as well and can make a big difference. A gun that might have been unmanagable with stock grips will be a perfect fit with them. This way you could make caliber/round the first consideration and then fit the gun afterwards.

vee-driven
12-06-2007, 04:12 PM
Get her a S&W model 500, all she will have to do is pull it out and the mother fukrs will run like scared little bitches. Oh and i think the pic is actual size.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/path5150/800px-Smith-et-Wesson-modele-500-p1.jpg

Flyinbowtie
12-06-2007, 05:10 PM
Lots of good advice here, the best of which is take her to the range and find a weapon she is comfortable with, can put rounds on the target with, and can understand the mechanics of.
When serving as a rangemaster, the biggest challenge we faced with females and a few small stature males was weak wrist syndrome, which can cause a semiauto to malfunction as the energy created when the round discharges drives the wrist back isntead of cycling the action.
There are short triggers, small grips, etc out there to help compensate for small hands, but a weak wrist takes a major investment of time and training to overcome.
For home defense, and for CCW, I believe in equipping a shooter with a weapon they can draw and fire in the dark, when out of breath and stressed out. The probabilty is that if it turns to shiat and someone has made the decision to reach for a weapon, futzing with a safety, racking a slide, etc, is going to delay their ability to get a round off if they are not trained, trained, trained. The stress level is through the roof, and you revert to training under those circs.
While the semiautos of today are outstanding (I own, aaahhh, several:D) a S&W revolver is the handgun in the home on her side of the bed, designated for close issues if I ain't around. She trains with .38 jacketed wadcutters, and when in the ready mode the gun has magnum loads on board. Were she ever have to use it, she'd never feel the recoil, according to all the FBi studies I've read.
I keep a combat shotgun available for one-minute access as well.
I carry either a Sig 226, 229, both in .40 caliber, or a Walther .380 depending on clothing/concealabilty issues.
Training is critical no matter what you choose.

pancho
12-06-2007, 05:21 PM
my mom carried the lady smith (5-shot-38) for over 20 years,she was not a gun lover but i can honestly say there was a confidence i could see in her knowing she had that in her purse!

photo chick
12-06-2007, 05:34 PM
https://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44604&stc=1&d=1196959856
:jawdrop:
There's something really wrong with you Bryon!!

Riverkid
12-06-2007, 05:46 PM
If knew anything about weapons, I would recommend this product in the .380 version. Cost is low and the weapon is comfortable to fire for women of small stature. The .380 is a LOUD medium impact round and with a nine round mag' she could "spray and pray" her way out of most situations.
The BERSA, Thunder .380
http://www.bersa-sa.com.ar/images/THU380P.jpg
Characteristics
Caliber: .380 ACP
Operation: Semiautomatic
Magazine capacity: 7/9 cartridges
Rear sight: Dovetailed Adjustable
Front sight: In the slide
Safeties: Firing pin
Grips: Polymer
Dimensions
Overall length: 168 mm/6.6 in.
Height: 120 mm/4.7 in.
Width: 33 mm/1.3 in.
Barrel length: 90 mm/3 in.
Weight: 560 gr./19.75 oz.
I just gave my sister one of those. She had my Beretta 92. She gave it back in the case, with the mag in it. She never opened the case in seven years... This one is much lighter and smaller. :)

carteaco
12-06-2007, 08:24 PM
For a purse gun go with a hammerless revolver,no hammers or slides to get caught on something, just reach into the purse and squeeze. Very reliable.

pancho
12-06-2007, 08:37 PM
some time ago