A thought or 22 about Democrat's........

[donzi5150]

Twenty-Two Ways To Be A Good Democrat
1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge.
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas".
If they every owend up to how screwed up their thinking was they would be much closer to reality!:)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Twenty-Two Ways To Be A Good Democrat
1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge.
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas".
If they every owend up to how screwed up their thinking was they would be much closer to reality!:)
If you really believe any of the above BS, it's your way of thinking that is screwed up. :)

[QuickJet]

Twenty-Two Ways To Be A Good Democrat
1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge.
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas".
If they every owend up to how screwed up their thinking was they would be much closer to reality!:)
So true!!!

[donzi5150]

If you really believe any of the above BS, it's your way of thinking that is screwed up. :)
My way or the left that I am referring to? And if it's the later then which one is incorrect in referring to the standard left view as compared to more of a centerest view? :confused:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

My way or the left that I am referring to? And if it's the later then which one is incorrect in referring to the standard left view as compared to more of a centerest view? :confused:
The picture your 22 comments paint is that of a moron. Whether you want to believe it or not, not your typical Democrat. But then how would you know with such a narrow view? All of them are incorrect but then you know that

[QuickJet]

The picture your 22 comments paint is that of a moron. Whether you want to believe it or not, not your typical Democrat. But then how would you know with such a narrow view? All of them are incorrect but then you know that
Please explain the deception in each one.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Please explain the deception in each one.
Hypocrite.

[Schiada76]

The picture your 22 comments paint is that of a moron. Whether you want to believe it or not, not your typical Democrat. But then how would you know with such a narrow view? All of them are incorrect but then you know that
This comment is HYSTERICAL!!!
Dems are morons.
Those twenty two comments DEFINE democrats.:rolleyes: ;)

[ULTRA26 # 1]

This comment is HYSTERICAL!!!
Dems are morons.
Those twenty two comments DEFINE democrats.:rolleyes: ;)
Only in the eyes of a twit. ;)

[Schiada76]

Only in the eyes of a twit. ;)
So smart boy which of the twenty two are not democrat positions?
Marching fags with their cocks out? San Francisco every year at the Folsom Street Fag Fair.
Hunters don't care about wildlife? When's the last time you and your hippie pals build a sheep or quail guzzler in the middle of the desert?
Socialism? Dems don't promote it?
Which ones aren't true? Come on defend your moron party.

[QuickJet]

Hypocrite.
Oh do tell old wise one.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

So smart boy which of the twenty two are not democrat positions?
Marching fags with their cocks out? San Francisco every year at the Folsom Street Fag Fair.
Hunters don't care about wildlife? When's the last time you and your hippie pals build a sheep or quail guzzler in the middle of the desert?
Socialism? Dems don't promote it?
Which ones aren't true? Come on defend your moron party.
Nothing to defend.
None of them except in the eyes of a twit.
WTF is a sheep or quail guzzler? Is this some sort of Right Wing ritual?
You seem so smart. :D

[Schiada76]

Nothing to defend.
None of them except in the eyes of a twit.
WTF is a sheep or quail guzzler? Is this some sort of Right Wing ritual?
You seem so smart. :D
Pick one that isn't a Democrat position.
Isn't there at least one?
I can't find one.
Look up quail guzzler on your own, it's nothing a hippie would know anything about. It involves hard work for free.

[redneckcharlie]

I've got an easy one, how about defending number 22? I'm not a religious person in the least and that one makes sense to me. ;)

[Old Texan]

Reading the list brings to mind the ACLU, MoveOn.org, Cynthia McKinney, Teddy K, Hilda B, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Greenpeace, and some athiest group I don't recall the name of plus about half of Hollywood starting with Ed Asner and Barbra. Now what do all those folks and groups have in common Mr. U??????

[Moneypitt]

Thinking With Intelligent Thought........Also called the ability to reason.....To see things as they really are........Refusing to live in fantasyland..........Using ones brains instead of ones feelings...All could be definded as TWIT...........MP

[Schiada76]

Thinking With Intelligent Thought........Also called the ability to reason.....To see things as they really are........Refusing to live in fantasyland..........Using ones brains instead of ones feelings...All could be definded as TWIT...........MP
Moneypitt............you twit.:D :D JK

[Schiada76]

It is rather telling isn't it? A simple list that hits the demotwit theology right on the money.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I've got an easy one, how about defending number 22? I'm not a religious person in the least and that one makes sense to me. ;)
People should get Christmas day off and say Merry Christmas anytime they so choose.
Sorry boys but as far as I'm concerned all 22 are BS

[redneckcharlie]

People should get Christmas day off and say Merry Christmas anytime they so choose.
Sorry boys but as far as I'm concerned all 22 are BS
I completely agree. That one stood out to me for the simple reason, I know a few knuckleheads that fit that very one. They don't agree with Xmas at all, but they sure feel they should have the day off because its a holiday. ;)

[Schiada76]

People should get Christmas day off and say Merry Christmas anytime they so choose.
Sorry boys but as far as I'm concerned all 22 are BS
Thanks for the clarification ul.
So it's really the evil Conservatives trying to ban Christmas from the public square. I got it now. Thanks!:rolleyes: :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I completely agree. That one stood out to me for the simple reason, I know a few knuckleheads that fit that very one. They don't agree with Xmas at all, but they sure feel they should have the day off because its a holiday. ;)
Charlie, all I can go by are my own views as a Conservative Democrat
Thanks for the clarification ul.
So it's really the evil Conservatives trying to ban Christmas from the public square. I got it now. Thanks!:rolleyes: :D
Last I heard it was Jews complaining about Christmas issues.

[Schiada76]

Last I heard it was Jews complaining about Christmas issues.
So the "Jews" run the ACLU?
In what world is that?

[asch]

Reading the list brings to mind the ACLU, MoveOn.org, Cynthia McKinney, Teddy K, Hilda B, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Greenpeace, and some athiest group I don't recall the name of plus about half of Hollywood starting with Ed Asner and Barbra. Now what do all those folks and groups have in common Mr. U??????
They all hate America?:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

So the "Jews" run the ACLU?
In what world is that?
It's the jews who complain about Christmas, oh atheist one. Where have you been?

[Schiada76]

It's the jews who complain about Christmas, oh atheist one. Where have you been?
You're insane.

[Schiada76]

I'll help Ulefty out here. I'll take his side one by one.
#1. UMMM wait all democrats do think this.
#2. Nope, Nope wait a minute I've got it! Conservatives push socialism! Right? I'm right aren't I?:confused: :confused: :(
#3. THis one I've got for sure! ALL democraps believe in the Second Amendment and it's that damn right wing NRA that wants to take our guns away! Gotcha on that one!:o
#4. Damn what's up with this! All artists through out history were supported with taxpayer funding, even the ones that just want to put a turd in a jar of urine or create "Piss Christ". These talented "artists" must be supported by people that make money beacuse we all know there is no way they could hold a job.
#5. Well this is easy. Thus sayeth the Algore all bow down.
How am I doing so far UL? Is this helping you at all?

[TonkaDriver]

I am going to print the list on really nice paper and frame it and hang it right between my portraits of Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh. Any lib that sees it will surely faint at the sight of the truth staring them in the face.

[asch]

I'll help Ulefty out here. I'll take his side one by one.
#1. UMMM wait all democrats do think this.
#2. Nope, Nope wait a minute I've got it! Conservatives push socialism! Right? I'm right aren't I?:confused: :confused: :(
#3. THis one I've got for sure! ALL democraps believe in the Second Amendment and it's that damn right wing NRA that wants to take our guns away! Gotcha on that one!:o
#4. Damn what's up with this! All artists through out history were supported with taxpayer funding, even the ones that just want to put a turd in a jar of urine or create "Piss Christ". These talented "artists" must be supported by people that make money beacuse we all know there is no way they could hold a job.
#5. Well this is easy. Thus sayeth the Algore all bow down.
Please continue. Looks good so far.
I'm surprised though there's nothing about handing over US sovereignty via the UN.

[AzMandella]

It's the jews who complain about Christmas, oh atheist one. Where have you been?
Actually from what we are told it is the Jahovas,Muslim and other non Christ religions. Jews and Christians have been celebrating Christmas and Hanukah for years simultaniously without any problem. I don't remember either complaining about the other. But either way it is the libs that have forced the issue of doing away with Christmas in our schools. The oh so politically correct people afraid to offend anyone.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I'll help Ulefty out here. I'll take his side one by one.
#1. UMMM wait all democrats do think this.
#2. Nope, Nope wait a minute I've got it! Conservatives push socialism! Right? I'm right aren't I?:confused: :confused: :(
#3. THis one I've got for sure! ALL democraps believe in the Second Amendment and it's that damn right wing NRA that wants to take our guns away! Gotcha on that one!:o
#4. Damn what's up with this! All artists through out history were supported with taxpayer funding, even the ones that just want to put a turd in a jar of urine or create "Piss Christ". These talented "artists" must be supported by people that make money beacuse we all know there is no way they could hold a job.
#5. Well this is easy. Thus sayeth the Algore all bow down.
How am I doing so far UL? Is this helping you at all?
The world according to and through Schiada's sh*t colored glasses. Talk about insane. :)
Merry Christmas
Actually from what we are told it is the Jahovas,Muslim and other non Christ religions. Jews and Christians have been celebrating Christmas and Hanukah for years simultaniously without any problem. I don't remember either complaining about the other. But either way it is the libs that have forced the issue of doing away with Christmas in our schools. The oh so politically correct people afraid to offend anyone.
AZM.
As I recall it was last Christmas that a Jewish group in Seattle made enough noise for the city to remove the Christmas tree from the Seattle/Tacoma Airport.
Nonetheless, it's not safe to assume that all non Christian folks are Democrats or that all Christians are Republicans.
Merry Christmas :)

[Schiada76]

The world according to and through Schiada's sh*t colored glasses. Talk about insane. :)
Merry Christmas
AZM.
As I recall it was last Christmas that a Jewish group in Seattle made enough noise for the city to remove the Christmas tree from the Seattle/Tacoma Airport.
Nonetheless, it's not safe to assume that all non Christian folks are Democrats or that all Christians are Republicans.
Merry Christmas :)
It is however perfectly safe to assume that all anti Christmas loons are democrats.
So some idiotic Rabbi demands equal time for a Menorah in an airport and now it's the Jews that want to abolish Christmas? It's your party UL, why can't you admit the truth? Why don't you mention all the Jews and Rabbi's that vilified the one idiot?
There was an editorial in this weeks paper about two young girls coming home from school and singing a Christmas song but they weren't allowed to say Christmas even in the song. When their father asked why they told him they were taught that would be bigoted because not everyone celebrates Christmas. It.....was.........a..........CHRSTMAS.......song. The kids DEMOCRAT teachers changed the lyrics. That's your parties doing, not the evil Jew.
Shit colored glasses? You still haven't refuted any one of the 22 statements.
Why in your eyes do they not define democrats?
I don't see anything untrue in any one of them, enlighten us.:rolleyes:
#6. What? Doesn't everyone know that if you give a young boy a doll and dresses he will loooooooooove to play with that instead of a toy gun. So this one can't possibly be correct.
How am I doing now UL? Does this help you with any ideas on how to refute the others?

[asch]

Your're only on #6. This is gonna be a long thread.:D

[Schiada76]

BTW Mr. investimagator, do a little research before you post. The "Jewish group" wanted a Menorah in the airport, the airport powers that be, in their infinite wisdom, decided to remove the Christmas decorations instead. The Rabbi at no time what so ever asked for the Christmas decorations be removed.
You are ill informed or a liar.

[Schiada76]

Your're only on #6. This is gonna be a long thread.:D
Well help me and Ulefty out here then.
Between all of us we should be able to refute all 22 and prove democrats to be the fair, unbiased, well informed people that we all know they are.:devil:

[Schiada76]

#7. HEY!!!! Wait a damn minute here! Just because AIDS is 100% preventable by not ramming your boyfriend in the ass or vice versus, or by not borrowing that needle from the puke covered bum next to you to shoot up is no reason NOT to spend BILLIONS of dollars taken from normal people so we can find a cure so that fags and drug addicts can carry on.
Is it?:confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :sleeping:

[redneckcharlie]

#7. HEY!!!! Wait a damn minute here! Just because AIDS is 100% preventable by not ramming your boyfriend in the ass or vice versus, or by not borrowing that needle from the puke covered bum next to you to shoot up is no reason NOT to spend BILLIONS of dollars taken from normal people so we can find a cure so that fags and drug addicts can carry on.
Is it?:confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :sleeping:
Not to interrupt you when your on a roll, HIV and AIDS are not 100% preventable. I have a very good friend that was in a very bad car accident, almost died. He was given tainted blood from the blood bank here. Completely inexcuseable in my opinion. He was given the HIV virus by no fault of his own. There are many people in this country that are exposed to HIV that are neither gay or drug users.
With that being said, please continue on with the Liberal bashing! :D

[Schiada76]

Not to interrupt you when your on a roll, HIV and AIDS are not 100% preventable. I have a very good friend that was in a very bad car accident, almost died. He was given tainted blood from the blood bank here. Completely inexcuseable in my opinion. He was given the HIV virus by no fault of his own. There are many people in this country that are exposed to HIV that are neither gay or drug users.
With that being said, please continue on with the Liberal bashing! :D
You are correct there but where did the tainted blood come from? Fag or drug addict?:idea: I think a dentist was infected not to long ago also.:(
The CDC has admitted lying about the danger to straight, monagomous non IV drug users in this country.
I'm very sorry to hear about your friend.

[asch]

#8 has been a hot topic amongst the family lately. My wifes cousin and best friend are both 4th grade public school teachers. The cousin leans towards liberal/progressive politics and sees NOTHING wrong with educating children about sex. The other leans towards the conservative side and thinks it's abhorrent to introduce such things to children in a school setting.
I happen to agree with the latter. Funny thing is the cousin isn't a registered Dem, but is one of them Green party people.:confused:
I remember the 'Health' class in school. It was all the buzz cuz they "talked about sex". Remember it like it was yesterday....
'Chapter 5: Growth and Development' ....AKA: "Sex Ed"
The more they taught and talked about it, the more I wanted to go and do it. They taught us it was ok if protection was used. After implementing the various suggestions they taught to avoid pregnancy, my girlfriend still got pregnant at 17. I was 16. Young, dumb and full of XXX. It ruined both our lives and future plans we had.
Now that I'm pushing 40 years old, I believe abstinence is best in the teen years.

[Old Texan]

#8 has been a hot topic amongst the family lately. My wifes cousin and best friend are both 4th grade public school teachers. The cousin leans towards liberal/progressive politics and sees NOTHING wrong with educating children about sex. The other leans towards the conservative side and thinks it's abhorrent to introduce such things to children in a school setting.
I happen to agree with the latter. Funny thing is the cousin isn't a registered Dem, but is one of them Green party people.:confused:
I remember the 'Health' class in school. It was all the buzz cuz they "talked about sex". Remember it like it was yesterday....
'Chapter 5: Growth and Development' ....AKA: "Sex Ed"
The more they taught and talked about it, the more I wanted to go and do it. They taught us it was ok if protection was used. After implementing the various suggestions they taught to avoid pregnancy, my girlfriend still got pregnant at 17. I was 16. Young, dumb and full of XXX. It ruined both our lives and future plans we had.
Now that I'm pushing 40 years old, I believe abstinence is best in the teen years.
Sorry about the teen pregnancy. I had several friends who had the change in plans.
My view of abstinence was non existant and I was just plain lucky. Helll I couldn't even have spelled abstinence if I'd have heard the word. Sex was the most important thing in the world and just about my every waking thought. I wouldn't have changed a thing.:devil:
Somewhere along the line the parents need to do the explaination sit down from a health, moral, open, financial, carreer, and life impacting view and give the kid(s) a good idea of what 1 little sperm can do when he meets the egg. My experience is all you can do is educate them on all the facts goood and bad and hope the helll they can use good judgement.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It is however perfectly safe to assume that all anti Christmas loons are democrats.
So some idiotic Rabbi demands equal time for a Menorah in an airport and now it's the Jews that want to abolish Christmas? It's your party UL, why can't you admit the truth? Why don't you mention all the Jews and Rabbi's that vilified the one idiot?
There was an editorial in this weeks paper about two young girls coming home from school and singing a Christmas song but they weren't allowed to say Christmas even in the song. When their father asked why they told him they were taught that would be bigoted because not everyone celebrates Christmas. It.....was.........a..........CHRSTMAS.......song. The kids DEMOCRAT teachers changed the lyrics. That's your parties doing, not the evil Jew.
Shit colored glasses? You still haven't refuted any one of the 22 statements.
Why in your eyes do they not define democrats?
I don't see anything untrue in any one of them, enlighten us.:rolleyes:
#6. What? Doesn't everyone know that if you give a young boy a doll and dresses he will loooooooooove to play with that instead of a toy gun. So this one can't possibly be correct.
How am I doing now UL? Does this help you with any ideas on how to refute the others?
I don't agree with one of the 22. Refute??? Maybe it's time for you to clean your glasses.
Your looking foolish Schiada
BTW Mr. investimagator, do a little research before you post. The "Jewish group" wanted a Menorah in the airport, the airport powers that be, in their infinite wisdom, decided to remove the Christmas decorations instead. The Rabbi at no time what so ever asked for the Christmas decorations be removed.
You are ill informed or a liar.
They took down the tree. No need for me to lie or stretch the truth about anything. Wouldn't it be nice if you could say the same.

[Schiada76]

I don't agree with one of the 22. Refute??? Maybe it's time for you to clean your glasses.
Your looking foolish Schiada
The point is not do you agree, the point is if anyone is a Democrat this is waht they support. Whether they have the balls to admit or not.
What is untrue about any of the statements? You can refute none. If you don't agree you are not a Democrat or are self delusional.:D

[Schiada76]

I don't agree with one of the 22. Refute??? Maybe it's time for you to clean your glasses.
Your looking foolish Schiada
They took down the tree. No need for me to lie or stretch the truth about anything. Wouldn't it be nice if you could say the same.
You really have a problem with the truth and facts in general.
The Rabbi didn't want the tree taken down. Spineless democrats removed it.
You've been informed of the facts which leaves you at the other choice if you are to stand by your ignorant statement.

[AzMandella]

They took down the tree. No need for me to lie or stretch the truth about anything. Wouldn't it be nice if you could say the same.
Not the same thing. the rabi just wanted to have a manorah placed in the airport for the Jewish faith to celebrate Hanukah. they in no means were pushing to have the Christmas tree removed. regardless it was the pussy politicians who decided to remove the tree rather than put up a manorah. This is one thing that pisses me off. All the people who immegrate here are always talking about how we are taking their traditions and herritage away from them but we are supposed to give up ours so as not to offend them. We can no longer refer to it as Christmas but call it the Winter Hollidays. F&6Kin joke.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Not the same thing. the rabi just wanted to have a manorah placed in the airport for the Jewish faith to celebrate Hanukah. they in no means were pushing to have the Christmas tree removed. regardless it was the pussy politicians who decided to remove the tree rather than put up a manorah. This is one thing that pisses me off. All the people who immegrate here are always talking about how we are taking their traditions and herritage away from them but we are supposed to give up ours so as not to offend them. We can no longer refer to it as Christmas but call it the Winter Hollidays. F&6Kin joke.
AZM,
This happened in Seattle last year or the year before. It pisses me off as well.
http://www.komotv.com/news/4873941.html
'Tis not the season at Sea-Tac Airport
YouNewsTV™Story Published: Dec 9, 2006 at 4:37 PM PST
Story Updated: Dec 11, 2006 at 7:41 AM PST
By KOMO Staff
Watch the story There will be no more Christmas trees at Sea-Tac Airport this season after the Port of Seattle received a complaint about them.
For more than 25 years, the airport has celebrated the holidays with Christmas trees over its entrances. But now the trees that decorated the entrances to Sea-Tac can only be found down back hallways out of the public's view, after the Port of Seattle ordered all 15 trees removed.
Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky asked the Port of Seattle to include a menorah among the holiday decorations beginning in mid-October.
"At first we got a light yes, then we got a strong no," he said.
Then Bogomilsky's attorney got involved. "I did have, I did have a lawyer. Just sort of have a backup plan," he said.
The Port of Seattle told KOMO 4 news the rabbi with the Central Organization for Jewish Learning threatened to sue.
According to airport spokeswoman Rachel Garson, the two sides could not reach an agreement before the lawsuit was to be filed.
"Since this is the busiest time of year, we decided to take the decorations down now and consider a new policy after the new year," she said.
Bite me Schiada
I am a Democrat and I don't support one of the 22 P'sOS

[Schiada76]

AZM,
This happened in Seattle last year or the year before. It pisses me off as well.
http://www.komotv.com/news/4873941.html
'Tis not the season at Sea-Tac Airport
YouNewsTV™Story Published: Dec 9, 2006 at 4:37 PM PST
Story Updated: Dec 11, 2006 at 7:41 AM PST
By KOMO Staff
Watch the story There will be no more Christmas trees at Sea-Tac Airport this season after the Port of Seattle received a complaint about them.
For more than 25 years, the airport has celebrated the holidays with Christmas trees over its entrances. But now the trees that decorated the entrances to Sea-Tac can only be found down back hallways out of the public's view, after the Port of Seattle ordered all 15 trees removed.
Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky asked the Port of Seattle to include a menorah among the holiday decorations beginning in mid-October.
"At first we got a light yes, then we got a strong no," he said.
Then Bogomilsky's attorney got involved. "I did have, I did have a lawyer. Just sort of have a backup plan," he said.
The Port of Seattle told KOMO 4 news the rabbi with the Central Organization for Jewish Learning threatened to sue.
According to airport spokeswoman Rachel Garson, the two sides could not reach an agreement before the lawsuit was to be filed.
"Since this is the busiest time of year, we decided to take the decorations down now and consider a new policy after the new year," she said.
Bite me Schiada
I am a Democrat and I don't support one of the 22 P'sOS
As I stated before he was vilified by hundreds if not thousands of Jews and other Rabbi's for his IDIOTIC actions. You state the "Jews" are the ones opposing Christmas decorations. You have the facts, you're a fool.
If you don't "agree" with any of the 22 statements you're not a democrat. Everyone one of those 22 statements is what democrats think and stand for.
Maybe you are more of a conservative tha you have the sack to admit, even to yourself.:rolleyes: :D
Honest answer, do you support the death penalty?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

As I stated before he was vilified by hundreds if not thousands of Jews and other Rabbi's for his IDIOTIC actions. You state the "Jews" are the ones opposing Christmas decorations. You have the facts, you're a fool.
If you don't "agree" with any of the 22 statements you're not a democrat. Everyone one of those 22 statements is what democrats think and stand for.
Maybe you are more of a conservative tha you have the sack to admit, even to yourself.:rolleyes: :D
Honest answer, do you support the death penalty?
Not in many cases but yes.
And now he tells Ultra lefty that he's not a Democrat.
Again, clean the brown off of your glasses.

[AzMandella]

Not in many cases but yes.
And now he tells Ultra lefty that he's not a Democrat.
Again, clean the brown off of your glasses.
Actually he has a point Ultra. As stereotypical as the 22 examples are they are along whacko left wing views. But from alot of your posts I would say that you were the equivelent of a conservitive Democrat or a liberal Republican of 20 yrs ago. this is in no means a bashing but just an observation.

[Schiada76]

Not in many cases but yes.
And now he tells Ultra lefty that he's not a Democrat.
Again, clean the brown off of your glasses.
So, you fairly well epitomize #1.
Executing murders is bad, killing babies, good.
How about #2?

[Schiada76]

BTW, you missed a point again.
I said, without checking, something to the effect of if you truly don't "agree" with the 22 points than you can't be a Democrat. Not today, maybe maybe as AZM noted.
A Democrat of the JFK era. A great man who would by all accounts be considered a staunch conservative today.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Actually he has a point Ultra. As stereotypical as the 22 examples are they are along whacko left wing views. But from alot of your posts I would say that you were the equivelent of a conservitive Democrat or a liberal Republican of 20 yrs ago. this is in no means a bashing but just an observation.
AZM,
IMO, Schiada is being is normal obnoxious self. The majority of Democrats are not the hypocritical extremests described by the 22 points.
Let me clarify that while I believe in a womans right to chose, I do not believe in abortion.
The list is a parody of hypocritical counterpoints that carry little validity. Number 1 from the list could be written that a Republican must be anti abortion, under any circumstance, while believing it is acceptable to kill innocent civilians in bomb attacks.
As I said I don't agree with one of the 22 and in no way am I an exception. The list makes Democrats look like buffoons. Believing this to be a reality, IMO, is one of the things that is wrong with the US.
The list, was good for a laugh, which I have no doubt was it's intention.

[The Doctor]

Maybe a different point of view would be helpful?
For My Democrat Friends:
'Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. We also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the generally accepted calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere, and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishes. By accepting these greetings you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for herself or himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For My Republican Friends:
Merry Christmas and
a Happy New Year!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Merry Christmas to you as well. :D :D

[Old Texan]

AZM,
IMO, Schiada is being is normal obnoxious self. The majority of Democrats are not the hypocritical extremests described by the 22 points.
Let me clarify that while I believe in a womans right to chose, I do not believe in abortion.
The list is a parody of hypocritical counterpoints that carry little validity. Number 1 from the list could be written that a Republican must be anti abortion, under any circumstance, while believing it is acceptable to kill innocent civilians in bomb attacks.
As I said I don't agree with one of the 22 and in no way am I an exception. The list makes Democrats look like buffoons. Believing this to be a reality, IMO, is one of the things that is wrong with the US.
The list, was good for a laugh, which I have no doubt was it's intention.
U, I appreciate your intent to "want" the unity of parties and people to strengthen our country. You and I are the same age, grew up in different geographic locales, seemingly came from similar backgrounds (you had the talent to play, I was limited to listening), and though we differ on the paths, we really are going the same direction. You take more of pacifist, forgiving approach, while I feel best to respond to problems in kind to the manner in which they arise. Joe Horn being an example, I don't condone taking a life and if the perps ran, I'd have not shot but if they came at me or I had them cornered and it was clearly self defense, I wouldn't have hesitated to end their pitiful existance per Joe Horn. But I would have confronted them with all the firepower I could muster at the time. You I beleive would have stayed inside and made the attempt to garner desciptions and plate numbers and did whatever possible from a safe and reasonable position. Bottom line, I feel it's time to defend our neighborhooods from the entry of out of country illegal scum coming here for no other reason than to steal and take advantage of our system.
Maybe that's what the real difference is between Liberal and Conservative. The actions to take charge of our communities in the form of letting the bad guys know they aren't welcome and they won't be allowed. Vigilantism(sp)???? Not really, it's just the American way. Sure Texas is called the "Old West" when it comes to this, but Texas views are far more wide spread across this nation than many will admit. North GA, western NC, the rural south for that matter, and most of the rest of urban America and the heartlands have citizens that just won't put up with this "invasion" of criminals. Liberals and crooks alike be damned.
On to the point of the 22 examples, discount them if you will for being stereotypical of Democrats, but they do have substance in regards to a large segment of our society, that for lack of a better name are "Liberals". I wish the list was a joke, but it's not because it's based on real life views of far too many people not wanting to respect and honor the core values of this country.
I'm not buying into the nitwit Troll we've had the displeasure to lsiten too over the last week, his rants about the communist ways that will soon overcome our nation and his condemnation of the bulk of our society. And I don't think you do either really, but how in good conscience can you not see that the Democratic Party of today is projecting and as they can, enacting a lot of this liberal BS pointed out in the 22 examples?
I can't say who among the Republicans I really can wholly or even partially support, but I damn sure know I will not and cannot support the top 3 Democratic candidates nor their values or lack there of....I'm not for outright revolution by any means but I'm past ready to get the politics out of the equation.
The Iraq war is a prime example. We both have our conflicting views, but the bottom line here is we "must" remove the politics and put an end to it. How, get the media and Congress to stand back and shut the F--- up and allow our professionals to get the damn thing done. Our own freedoms are basically being used against us and the media and too many Pols are the resopnsible parties. Political Correctness needs to be put to death. It's worse than Disco for christsakes!!!!!!
The war, welfare, healthcare, tort reform, etc. are all curable, we just need the right people in DC and our state Capitals to do it. And this will never happen until we can wake up America to shut down the liberal media, Hollywood, and all the radical self interests groups from the ACLU, New Black Panthers, Moral Majority, on down.
Blown is right on when he claims there's more folks tuning into American Idol than to important political events pertaining to our very existance. Solve that problem and we've done something

[ULTRA26 # 1]

U, I appreciate your intent to "want" the unity of parties and people to strengthen our country. You and I are the same age, grew up in different geographic locales, seemingly came from similar backgrounds (you had the talent to play, I was limited to listening), and though we differ on the paths, we really are going the same direction. You take more of pacifist, forgiving approach, while I feel best to respond to problems in kind to the manner in which they arise. Joe Horn being an example, I don't condone taking a life and if the perps ran, I'd have not shot but if they came at me or I had them cornered and it was clearly self defense, I wouldn't have hesitated to end their pitiful existance per Joe Horn. But I would have confronted them with all the firepower I could muster at the time. You I beleive would have stayed inside and made the attempt to garner desciptions and plate numbers and did whatever possible from a safe and reasonable position. Bottom line, I feel it's time to defend our neighborhooods from the entry of out of country illegal scum coming here for no other reason than to steal and take advantage of our system.
Maybe that's what the real difference is between Liberal and Conservative. The actions to take charge of our communities in the form of letting the bad guys know they aren't welcome and they won't be allowed. Vigilantism(sp)???? Not really, it's just the American way. Sure Texas is called the "Old West" when it comes to this, but Texas views are far more wide spread across this nation than many will admit. North GA, western NC, the rural south for that matter, and most of the rest of urban America and the heartlands have citizens that just won't put up with this "invasion" of criminals. Liberals and crooks alike be damned.
On to the point of the 22 examples, discount them if you will for being stereotypical of Democrats, but they do have substance in regards to a large segment of our society, that for lack of a better name are "Liberals". I wish the list was a joke, but it's not because it's based on real life views of far too many people not wanting to respect and honor the core values of this country.
I'm not buying into the nitwit Troll we've had the displeasure to lsiten too over the last week, his rants about the communist ways that will soon overcome our nation and his condemnation of the bulk of our society. And I don't think you do either really, but how in good conscience can you not see that the Democratic Party of today is projecting and as they can, enacting a lot of this liberal BS pointed out in the 22 examples?
I can't say who among the Republicans I really can wholly or even partially support, but I damn sure know I will not and cannot support the top 3 Democratic candidates nor their values or lack there of....I'm not for outright revolution by any means but I'm past ready to get the politics out of the equation.
The Iraq war is a prime example. We both have our conflicting views, but the bottom line here is we "must" remove the politics and put an end to it. How, get the media and Congress to stand back and shut the F--- up and allow our professionals to get the damn thing done. Our own freedoms are basically being used against us and the media and too many Pols are the resopnsible parties. Political Correctness needs to be put to death. It's worse than Disco for christsakes!!!!!!
The war, welfare, healthcare, tort reform, etc. are all curable, we just need the right people in DC and our state Capitals to do it. And this will never happen until we can wake up America to shut down the liberal media, Hollywood, and all the radical self interests groups from the ACLU, New Black Panthers, Moral Majority, on down.
Blown is right on when he claims there's more folks tuning into American Idol than to important political events pertaining to our very existance. Solve that problem and we've done something
I agree with the majority of your comments with the exception to the issue of the 22 points. Seems Donzi may have written the 22 himself trying to be amuzing.
Beyond that one issue your post was to the point and very well written.
(for a conservative) j/k :D

[Schiada76]

Those 22 statements perfectly exemplify your parties agenda. Your problem is once it's laid out in front of you in black and white you can see how absurd the Democrats in this country have become. You just don't have the sack to admit it.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Those 22 statements perfectly exemplify your parties agenda. Your problem is once it's laid out in front of you in black and white you can see how absurd the Democrats in this country have become. You just don't have the sack to admit it.
Schiada, aren't you bummed out that you didn't compose the 22 lines of bullsh*t.
Ultra Lefty is a conservative.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
You've lost it. Maybe you had some mercury laced sushi over the weekend. :D :D

[Schiada76]

Schiada, aren't you bummed out that you didn't compose the 22 line of bullsh*t.
Ultra Lefty is a conservative.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
You've lost it. Maybe you had some mercury laced sushi over the weekend. :D :D
Which one's bullshit Ulefty?
Thay are all democrat positions, which one isn't? Go ahead pick one.
Lets debate it.:rolleyes:

[Old Texan]

Which one's bullshit Ulefty?
Thay are all democrat positions, which one isn't? Go ahead pick one.
Lets debate it.:rolleyes:
Too many or all reflect of what we see / hear / read / experience in everyday life. I wish they were made up or some frivolous jab at a harmeless other party, but they reflect the views of real people in fringe groups, mainstream politics, Hollywood influencers, and people just a step off balance.
But hey that's just my opinion. Some folks just choose to ignore them or pretend they don't exist. This part worries me and makes me wonder how they can so passively brush the examples off???????:confused:
Denial?????:idea:

[Schiada76]

Too many or all reflect of what we see / hear / read / experience in everyday life. I wish they were made up or some frivolous jab at a harmeless other party, but they reflect the views of real people in fringe groups, mainstream politics, Hollywood influencers, and people just a step off balance.
But hey that's just my opinion. Some folks just choose to ignore them or pretend they don't exist. This part worries me and makes me wonder how they can so passively brush the examples off???????:confused:
Denial?????:idea:
That's Ulefty's problem. He's in denial. When you look at the democrats positions in black and white UL is at least cognizant of how assinine those positions look. Instead of having the sack to stand behind his party's positions he claims the statements have no bearing in fact. Typical lib, no backbone.
Now what really confuses him is the fact that if he really doesn't agree with the statements then he is not a democrat, not in their current form.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Too many or all reflect of what we see / hear / read / experience in everyday life. I wish they were made up or some frivolous jab at a harmeless other party, but they reflect the views of real people in fringe groups, mainstream politics, Hollywood influencers, and people just a step off balance.
But hey that's just my opinion. Some folks just choose to ignore them or pretend they don't exist. This part worries me and makes me wonder how they can so passively brush the examples off???????:confused:
Denial?????:idea:
1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand. Not all Dems are against capitol punishment.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. Complete bullshit
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists. Again, complete bullshit
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
There was art before there was Federal
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's. Exaggerated rhetoric
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural. Total BS
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding. Aids is spread by unprotected sex and needles
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex. A teacher who isn't qualified to teach reading shouldn't be teaching anything. I am not opposed to sex education but I believe that it must start at home
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do. San Fransisco is a very small part of of the US. Some hunters care about nature and some don't. It's not to do with being a Democrat.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it. Complete BS
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only. No idea what this about and don't seei it as being related to being a Democrat
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution. The NRA does good and so does the ACLU. Neither in all cases
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
My taxes are too high are so are ATM fees
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell. BS
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not. Not true
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person. Not a fan of Hilary and many Dems are not
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge. Again, complete BS
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House. Conservatives telling the truth don't belong in jail, and Bill Clinton belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal. Nope
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States. Nope
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy. The Right is generally is much brighter than this. This comes from a place of complete ignorance and not from the Right Wing
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas". Nope Don't know anyone, except those of the Jewish faith, Dem or otherwise who won't say MERRY CHRISTMAS
Who better to give you an honest opinion than a Democrat. No Denial whatsoever. :)
There are extremists on both sides of the fence, but you can't judge all Republicans based on the opinions of Steve1 or Schiada and you can't judge all Democrats based on the opinions of Homelesscanoeboy.
Ultra Lefty :D
Merry Christmas.

[The Doctor]

With the aforementioned responses to the 22, please, please, oh please tell me who you are voting for?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

With the aforementioned responses to the 22, please, please, oh please tell me who you are voting for?
I haven't made up my mind. I really don't care much for anyone that is running.

[Old Texan]

I haven't made up my mind. I really don't care much for anyone that is running.
On this we can agree......:confused:

[Schiada76]

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand. Not all Dems are against capitol punishment.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. Complete bullshit
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists. Again, complete bullshit
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
There was art before there was Federal
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's. Exaggerated rhetoric
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural. Total BS
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding. Aids is spread by unprotected sex and needles
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex. A teacher who isn't qualified to teach reading shouldn't be teaching anything. I am not opposed to sex education but I believe that it must start at home
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do. San Fransisco is a very small part of of the US. Some hunters care about nature and some don't. It's not to do with being a Democrat.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it. Complete BS
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only. No idea what this about and don't seei it as being related to being a Democrat
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution. The NRA does good and so does the ACLU. Neither in all cases
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
My taxes are too high are so are ATM fees
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell. BS
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not. Not true
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person. Not a fan of Hilary and many Dems are not
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge. Again, complete BS
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House. Conservatives telling the truth don't belong in jail, and Bill Clinton belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal. Nope
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States. Nope
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy. The Right is generally is much brighter than this. This comes from a place of complete ignorance and not from the Right Wing
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas". Nope Don't know anyone, except those of the Jewish faith, Dem or otherwise who won't say MERRY CHRISTMAS
Who better to give you an honest opinion than a Democrat. No Denial whatsoever. :)
There are extremists on both sides of the fence, but you can't judge all Republicans based on the opinions of Steve1 or Schiada and you can't judge all Democrats based on the opinions of Homelesscanoeboy.
Ultra Lefty :D
Merry Christmas.
Damn, now I can't call you Lefty anymore.
You should watch the anti-semitism though. You are quite the bigot.:D
Merry Christmas!

[Old Texan]

Damn, now I can't call you Lefty anymore.
You should watch the anti-semitism though. You are quite the bigot.:D
Merry Christmas!
Ultra had a bad dream in which his boat was gone and there was a Green Canoe sitting in front of his house on a couple crude looking dollies hooked up to a lil' Donkey. Scared a lot of the Liberal sh-t right out of him.....:D :D .

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Ultra had a bad dream in which his boat was gone and there was a Green Canoe sitting in front of his house on a couple crude looking dollies hooked up to a lil' Donkey. Scared a lot of the Liberal sh-t right out of him.....:D :D .
Pretty funny Tex. :)

[TonkaDriver]

AZM,
Let me clarify that while I believe in a womans right to chose, I do not believe in abortion.
Belief in a womans right to choose according to your party is the right to have an abortion if they choose to do so. The position you are taking is a contradiction at best and hypocritical at worst. What if your mother chose to abort you?
This kind of mealy-mouthed B.S. is what libs are most famous for and you stand behind it.
I guess your next response will be to bow out of the debate because you deem it pointless.
Think about what you say and you will stop saying stupid sh%t like this.
It has been said that a young man that is not a liberal has no heart. A mature man that is not a conservative has no brain.
Kurt

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Belief in a womans right to choose according to your party is the right to have an abortion if they choose to do so. The position you are taking is a contradiction at best and hypocritical at worst. What if your mother chose to abort you?
This kind of mealy-mouthed B.S. is what libs are most famous for and you stand behind it.
I guess your next response will be to bow out of the debate because you deem it pointless.
Think about what you say and you will stop saying stupid sh%t like this.
It has been said that a young man that is not a liberal has no heart. A mature man that is not a conservative has no brain.
Kurt
Nothing stupid about what I said. I don't give a damn what the position of Democrats or Republicans is. What I stated is my position. Who the fock are you to call me or anyone else a hypocrite about this issue.
Here's one for ya. Is it OK with you for Muslim radicals to have abortions?
This thread is not about abortion. As I have stated, I don't believe in abortion but also don't believe that it is my place or the Govt's place to dictate to a woman in this regard.
Sober man!!! Post when you are sober.
BTW, If my mother aborted me, I wouldn't be here would I. Not rocket science buddy.
It has been said that a young man that is not a liberal has no heart. A mature man that is not a conservative has no brain.
Boy that was deep. WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Hangovers are a bitch Kurt. Aspirin, coffee and a cold shower should help. Have a nice day and Merry Christmas

[Schiada76]

Nothing stupid about what I said. I don't give a damn what the position of Democrats or Republicans is. What I stated is my position. I suggest you take your holier than though BS attitude and use it to adjust your position on killing innocent civilians in bombing raids. You are no position to call me or anyone else a hypocrite about this issue.
Here's one for ya. Is it OK with you for Muslim radicals to have abortions?
This thread is not about abortion. As I have stated, I don't believe in abortion but also don't believe that it is my place or the Govt's place to dictate to a woman in this regard.
Sober man!!! Post when you are sober.
BTW, If my mother aborted me, I wouldn't be here would I. Not rocket science buddy.
Boy that was deep. WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Hangovers are a bitch Kurt. Aspirin, coffee and a cold shower should help. Have a nice day and Merry Christmas
Yup you're right there. It's not the Govt's job to regulate killing babies.:rolleyes:
Just like ultras other post about being in favor of the death penalty, sorta, kinda, maybe.
liberals just don't have enough spine to stand up for what they believe.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Yup you're right there. It's not the Govt's job to regulate killing babies.:rolleyes:
Just like ultras other post about being in favor of the death penalty, sorta, kinda, maybe.
liberals just don't have enough spine to stand up for what they believe.
Maybe it's your church's job Schiada :D
How about you Schiada? Do you believe that Muslims ahould be allowed to abort?

[Schiada76]

Maybe it's your church's job Schiada :D
How about you Schiada? Do you believe that Muslims ahould be allowed to abort?
I've told you before, I'm atheist and support abortion I think it should be mandatory if you can't show the financial stabilty to raise a child.:devil:
It's killing babies though, something you don't have the balls to admit.
It's not "a wombmans right to choose" that line is a liberal crock of fckn shit to ignore the truth.
I also think that you are convicted of any capital offense you get 60 seconds before there's a 9MM slug exiting the back of your head.
You have no balls ultra, not enough to back up your liberal bullshit.

[Schiada76]

BTW all muslims are the enemy, all of them, and should be aborted alll the up to the age where they die of natural causes.:D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I've told you before, I'm atheist and support abortion I think it should be mandatory if you can't show the financial stabilty to raise a child.:devil:
It's killing babies though, something you don't have the balls to admit.
It's not "a wombmans right to choose" that line is a liberal crock of fckn shit to ignore the truth.
I also think that you are convicted of any capital offense you get 60 seconds before there's a 9MM slug exiting the back of your head.
You have no balls ultra, not enough to back up your liberal bullshit.
You're takin in circles. Ignore what truth? Who's right is it? Abortion is something the Govt should dictate based on finances??
I wish I could be a tough guy and have balls and be smart like you :2purples: :2purples:

[redneckcharlie]

I've told you before, I'm atheist and support abortion I think it should be mandatory if you can't show the financial stabilty to raise a child.:devil:
It's killing babies though, something you don't have the balls to admit.
It's not "a wombmans right to choose" that line is a liberal crock of fckn shit to ignore the truth.
I also think that you are convicted of any capital offense you get 60 seconds before there's a 9MM slug exiting the back of your head.
You have no balls ultra, not enough to back up your liberal bullshit.
First off, you, myself, and Ultra will never be in that situation to know what its like. I'm glad I don't ever have to have that kind of decision weigh on my conscience. That being said, I'm sure as hell not going to assume I have the right to tell someone else what they are going to do. I'm not defending Ultra. He sures doesn't need my help, but my position on that subject is the same as his. Insinuating that abortion is a point of view that is exclusive to the Democratic party and liberals is absolutely ridiculious! ;)

[OKIE-JET]

First off, you, myself, and Ultra will never be in that situation to know what its like. I'm glad I don't ever have to have that kind of decision weigh on my conscience. That being said, I'm sure as hell not going to assume I have the right to tell someone else what they are going to do. I'm not defending Ultra. He sures doesn't need my help, but my position on that subject is the same as his. Insinuating that abortion is a point of view that is exclusive to the Democratic party and liberals is absolutely ridiculious! ;)
Nice.

[donzi5150]

AZM,
This happened in Seattle last year or the year before. It pisses me off as well.
http://www.komotv.com/news/4873941.html
'Tis not the season at Sea-Tac Airport
YouNewsTV™Story Published: Dec 9, 2006 at 4:37 PM PST
Story Updated: Dec 11, 2006 at 7:41 AM PST
By KOMO Staff
Watch the story There will be no more Christmas trees at Sea-Tac Airport this season after the Port of Seattle received a complaint about them.
For more than 25 years, the airport has celebrated the holidays with Christmas trees over its entrances. But now the trees that decorated the entrances to Sea-Tac can only be found down back hallways out of the public's view, after the Port of Seattle ordered all 15 trees removed.
Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky asked the Port of Seattle to include a menorah among the holiday decorations beginning in mid-October.
"At first we got a light yes, then we got a strong no," he said.
Then Bogomilsky's attorney got involved. "I did have, I did have a lawyer. Just sort of have a backup plan," he said.
The Port of Seattle told KOMO 4 news the rabbi with the Central Organization for Jewish Learning threatened to sue.
According to airport spokeswoman Rachel Garson, the two sides could not reach an agreement before the lawsuit was to be filed.
"Since this is the busiest time of year, we decided to take the decorations down now and consider a new policy after the new year," she said.
Bite me Schiada
I am a Democrat and I don't support one of the 22 P'sOS
Then you are an old schol Democrat......I wish all of you would stand up with Republicans like me and take this country back from the fringe......:idea:

[Schiada76]

First off, you, myself, and Ultra will never be in that situation to know what its like. I'm glad I don't ever have to have that kind of decision weigh on my conscience. That being said, I'm sure as hell not going to assume I have the right to tell someone else what they are going to do. I'm not defending Ultra. He sures doesn't need my help, but my position on that subject is the same as his. Insinuating that abortion is a point of view that is exclusive to the Democratic party and liberals is absolutely ridiculious! ;)
You've also missed my point.
Liberals try to ignore the fact that abortion is killing babies. They want to feel all warm and fuzzy about it and call it a "womans right ro choose", (wombman in Ultra speak). They don't have to the backbone to speak the truth and never will.
Ultra even waffles on his support of the death penalty giving his reply the "sometimes" equivocation. You won't find a democrat that will actually support the death penalty in all convictions in all capital murder cases.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

You've also missed my point.
Liberals try to ignore the fact that abortion is killing babies. They want to feel all warm and fuzzy about it and call it a "womans right ro choose", (wombman in Ultra speak). They don't have to the backbone to speak the truth and never will.
Ultra even waffles on his support of the death penalty giving his reply the "sometimes" equivocation. You won't find a democrat that will actually support the death penalty in all convictions in all capital murder cases.
Schiada,
You must be compenstaing for something with all of your big and tough man comments.
You can say killing babies so it makes you honest and tough, because you believe in it. Well tough guy you can believe in and preach about the good in killing babies, for financial reasons, all you would like. It's lame, cruel and bullsh*t.
I don't think you will find a reasonable human being who will support the death penalty in all murder cases. In case you hadn't heard what is condidered a capitol offense in CA is not the same as in NJ or TX.
So far in this thread, in trying to make me look like something I'm not, you have painted a foolish self portrait of yourself. Keep it up I'm having fun.
One last thing tough guy. I don't know anyone from any political postion who views or considers abortion a topic that is warm and fuzzy. You speak of truth? It would be nice to hear some of that from you for a change. Maybe your complex won't allow it.

[Schiada76]

Schiada,
You must be compenstaing for something with all of your big and tough man comments.
You can say killing babies so it makes you honest and tough, because you believe in it. Well tough guy you can believe in and preach about the good in killing babies, for financial reasons, all you would like. It's lame, cruel and bullsh*t.
I don't think you will find a reasonable human being who will support the death penalty in all murder cases. In case you hadn't heard what is condidered a capitol offense in CA is not the same as in NJ or TX.
So far in this thread, in trying to make me look like something I'm not, you have painted a foolish self portrait of yourself. Keep it up I'm having fun.
One last thing tough guy. I don't know anyone from any political postion who views or considers abortion a topic that is warm and fuzzy. You speak of truth? It would be nice to hear some of that from you for a change. Maybe your complex won't allow it.
Read my post again, I said CAPITAL murder cases.:rolleyes:
The truth is abortion is killing babies, why can't you sack up and admit it?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Read my post again, I said CAPITAL murder cases.:rolleyes:
The truth is abortion is killing babies, why can't you sack up and admit it?
You seem to get off every time you speak of killing babies, which you support of a mother that doesn't have the financial means to support the child. You're a sick dude.
I don't believe early term abortion equals killing babies.
I have first hand experience with this issue and I'm touchy about it. I'm not going to discuss this matter with someone who believes that killing babies should be mandatory for any reason at all. Nobody has any interest in such a bullsh*t postion
I read your post.
CAPITAL murder???? 1st degree? 2nd degree? Manslaughter? WTF is CAPITAL murder ?

[redneckcharlie]

You seem to get off every time you speak of killing babies, which you support of a mother that doesn't have the financial means to support the child. You're a sick dude.
I don't believe early term abortions equal killing babies.
I have first hand experience with this issue and I'm touchy about it. I'm not going to discuss this matter with someone who believes that killing babies should be mandatory for any reason at all. Nobody has any interest in such a bullsh*t postion
I read your post.
CAPITAL murder???? 1st degree? 2nd degree? Manslaughter? WTF is CAPITAL murder ?
LMFAO! :D

[homelessinaz]

Wow, this thread it STILL going? I read it in its infancy and figured that it'd never go too long so I just held back on it, but wow! Look at it, all these pages later and you guys are STILL going at it.
ULTRA26 & Schiada76, all I gotta say to you is, GET A ROOM! What I mean is, the sexual tension between you two is so thick I can feel it even through my DIAL UP CONNECTION! It's obvious that opposites attract, you two are like James Carville and Mary Matalin, and I think it so cute.
Homeless

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Wow, this thread it STILL going? I read it in its infancy and figured that it'd never go too long so I just held back on it, but wow! Look at it, all these pages later and you guys are STILL going at it.
ULTRA26 & Schiada76, all I gotta say to you is, GET A ROOM! What I mean is, the sexual tension between you two is so thick I can feel it even through my DIAL UP CONNECTION! It's obvious that opposites attract, you two are like James Carville and Mary Matalin, and I think it so cute.
Homeless
Sexual tension :confused: WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
The only way you could feel anything sexual between Schiada and I would be through some seriously sick gay fantasy. 4 pages in this thread seem trivial when compared the the repeated multi-page ass whippings you get in every thread you post in.
You have a nice day and try and keep warm.
All kidding aside. Merry Christmas Homeless.
Then you are an old schol Democrat......I wish all of you would stand up with Republicans like me and take this country back from the fringe......:idea:
Probabaly becuase I am older than most of the folks here. Old school Rebublicans are IMO, are
much different than the fringe on the Right. I'm all for uniting the the best of both and tying to get somethng done. Merry Christmas Donzi

[homelessinaz]

All kidding aside. Merry Christmas Homeless.
Happy winter solstice to you too.
Homeless

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Happy winter solstice to you too.
Homeless
My family doesn't celebrate the winter solstice, but thanks anyway. :D

[uLtRADeNniS]

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand. Not all Dems are against capitol punishment.
2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. Complete bullshit
3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists. Again, complete bullshit
4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.
There was art before there was Federal
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's. Exaggerated rhetoric
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural. Total BS
7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding. Aids is spread by unprotected sex and needles
8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex. A teacher who isn't qualified to teach reading shouldn't be teaching anything. I am not opposed to sex education but I believe that it must start at home
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do. San Fransisco is a very small part of of the US. Some hunters care about nature and some don't. It's not to do with being a Democrat.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actuallydoing something to earn it. Complete BS
11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only. No idea what this about and don't seei it as being related to being a Democrat
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution. The NRA does good and so does the ACLU. Neither in all cases
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
My taxes are too high are so are ATM fees
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are moreimportant to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, andA.G. Bell. BS
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not. Not true
16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person. Not a fan of Hilary and many Dems are not
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't workedanywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been incharge. Again, complete BS
18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House. Conservatives telling the truth don't belong in jail, and Bill Clinton belonged in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal. Nope
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States. Nope
21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy. The Right is generally is much brighter than this. This comes from a place of complete ignorance and not from the Right Wing
22. You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers the day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas". Nope Don't know anyone, except those of the Jewish faith, Dem or otherwise who won't say MERRY CHRISTMAS
Who better to give you an honest opinion than a Democrat. No Denial whatsoever. :)
There are extremists on both sides of the fence, but you can't judge all Republicans based on the opinions of Steve1 or Schiada and you can't judge all Democrats based on the opinions of Homelesscanoeboy.
Ultra Lefty :D
Merry Christmas.
Wow I'm convinced!:rolleyes:

[Schiada76]

Wow I'm convinced!:rolleyes:
:D :D :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Wow I'm convinced!:rolleyes:
Please Dennis, let's discuss what your convinced about. :D
But its hard to have a discussion with someone that only looks at a topic one way. This is the main reason I don't talk politics, especially with liberals. All they ever do is argue every point you try to make,
Dennis This is generally what happens when opposing political views debate

[uLtRADeNniS]

Please Dennis, let's discuss what your convinced about. :D
I am GREATLY convinced that these are not characteristics of a Democrat. :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I am GREATLY convinced that these are not characteristics of a Democrat. :D
Merry Christmas, Dennis

[Schiada76]

Lets try #2.
So why do the democrats push socialism at every level and hate business then?

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Lets try #2.
So why do the democrats push socialism at every level and hate business then?
Don't know. Not a business hater myself. :)
Why not ask the Homeless one

[homelessinaz]

Don't know. Not a business hater myself. :)
Why not ask the Homeless one
For now, with our political system driven by money (and capitalists holding most of the money), Democrats can make only glancing blows against the capitalist system. What I mean is that no Democrat would last very long if he or she were doing the real things that need to be done to truly redistribute wealth equally.
Sure, progressive Democrats are willing to put a slightly higher tax burden on major corporations when it's possible and whenit doesn't cost them political points, but if Democrats were truly as anti-business as you've been brainwashed into believeing they are, we'd see Democrats grandstanding on the issue during the debates.
Homeless

[The Doctor]

For now, with our political system driven by money (and capitalists holding most of the money), Democrats can make only glancing blows against the capitalist system. What I mean is that no Democrat would last very long if he or she were doing the real things that need to be done to truly redistribute wealth equally.
Sure, progressive Democrats are willing to put a slightly higher tax burden on major corporations when it's possible and when it doesn't cost them political points, but if Democrats were truly as anti-business as you've been brainwashed into believeing they are, we'd see Democrats grandstanding on the issue during the debates.
Homeless
Just this statement about redistributing wealth speaks volumes.
Why not try this:
Teach your children to work hard at everything they do, strive to exceed expectations in school, win at sports, rise above their trials, treat ALL others with respect and dignity, succeed in life (whatever that means to you) then let the chips fall where they may but don't ever punish hard work, winners or those who succeed. Simply go to work for them and show gratitude for the very paycheck they provide. It's a sad commentary to hear time and again how opportunity only exists for "certain people" when the American way has been successful for folks from all walks of life, nationalities, backgrounds, political standings and beliefs. It also provides opportunity to anyone who is complacent to fill a space until they pass on to the next life. The only problem is that some actually believe somehow the latter group is owed something from the first and that's pure and simple garbage that has been fed from the liberal mindset for so long that it's actually been accepted by some? Go figure?
We Americans all have the same opportunities to succeed or fail in every facet of life whether we wish to believe it or not. It's neither a gift nor a curse.
Financially punishing anyone who exceeds financially is fiscally irresponsible. It not only depletes one's incentive to perform but is reduces his ability to hire, support and likewise bless the lives of those of the latter category.
Wake up and smell the conservative economics. All other systems are doomed to fail!!!!
For the simple:
Never legislate your hand in my cookie jar because you refuse to bake your own! I'll stop cooking and we'll all go hungry!

[homelessinaz]

...don't ever punish hard work, winners or those who succeed. Simply go to work for them and show gratitude for the very paycheck they provide.
I don't believe in the theory that we working poor and middle class owe what little we have to the so called "winners". Rather, I believe that the wealth that is held by the few is the product of the work of the many. In other words, the rich get rich on the backs of the poor, and folks who believe what you believe think that we unwashed masses should just be happy for what trickles down to us.
I was in Long Island, NY recently and I got to visit an inn that had been around since 1653. The inn was built on land purchased by group of settlers, led by a a Welsh farmer named Robert Williams. The land was purchased from the Matinecock Tribe for 50 pounds of tea, 20 knives, 6 hatchets, 6 hoes, 6 kettles, 30 awl blades, and a quantity of clothing. In exchange, the settlers got 12,000 acres of farmland with gently rolling hills, covering what will someday be Hicksville, Plainview, Jericho, Woodbury, and part of Syosset are his. I'd call that deal a little unfair given what that land is worth now.
Of course the land or the proceeds from it's sale has stayed in the family to this very day. This is one of the examples of how the landed gentry and the owning class in this nation have an unfair advantage due to their positioning at the right place in the right time. Other examples include the outright theft of land by way of broken treaties with Natives. Other examples of unfair advantage attained by the elites would be advantages gained through ownership of anything and everything that was ever built in this country by a slave or an indentured servant.
Wealth was created by slaves, but not shared with them. Advantage was gained by swindling and stealing from Natives, but no one seems to want to admit that when having a frank discussion about prosperity and disparity in this country. How many stories of cradle to the grave poverty do you suppose there are for every heartwarming "rags to riches" fairy tale?
The truth of the matter is that the rich owe their fortunes to the working class and the poor, and the working class and the poor create all wealth. The elites (whose boots you sound like you'd happily lick) reap all the rewards from the toil of the working class.
Just for argument's sake, consider this. You say I should be happy with the paychecks the rich provide. What if there were no lords and landowners, would the peasants have just floated in midair because the rich weren't there to give them some land to work and live on? No, if there were no lords and landowners, there would still be peasants and the peasants would know what to do with the land to survive. There would be barter and cooperation and a better world, unless and until greed reared up. The capitalist system we live under encourages and rewards greed.
What people like myself are hoping to one day see is a system that rewards cooperation and collectivism. Yes, this would involve the redistribution of wealth at first, and a more equitable distribution of wealth thereafter. In other words, no more CEO's making 250 times what their workers make. Why shouldn't you be able to share in the success of an endeavor if you are working in the trenches?
For the simple:
Never legislate your hand in my cookie jar because you refuse to bake your own! I'll stop cooking and we'll all go hungry!
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Don't act like all that flour, eggs, sugar and chocolate chips just flew out of the sky and landed in the bowl...respect the working class heroes who made it and share. Who knows, you might even like the feeling?
Homeless

[Old Texan]

I don't believe in the theory that we working poor and middle class owe what little we have to the so called "winners". Rather, I believe that the wealth that is held by the few is the product of the work of the many. In other words, the rich get rich on the backs of the poor, and folks who believe what you believe think that we unwashed masses should just be happy for what trickles down to us.
I was in Long Island, NY recently and I got to visit an inn that had been around since 1653. The inn was built on land purchased by group of settlers, led by a a Welsh farmer named Robert Williams. The land was purchased from the Matinecock Tribe for 50 pounds of tea, 20 knives, 6 hatchets, 6 hoes, 6 kettles, 30 awl blades, and a quantity of clothing. In exchange, the settlers got 12,000 acres of farmland with gently rolling hills, covering what will someday be Hicksville, Plainview, Jericho, Woodbury, and part of Syosset are his. I'd call that deal a little unfair given what that land is worth now.
Of course the land or the proceeds from it's sale has stayed in the family to this very day. This is one of the examples of how the landed gentry and the owning class in this nation have an unfair advantage due to their positioning at the right place in the right time. Other examples include the outright theft of land by way of broken treaties with Natives. Other examples of unfair advantage attained by the elites would be advantages gained through ownership of anything and everything that was ever built in this country by a slave or an indentured servant.
Wealth was created by slaves, but not shared with them. Advantage was gained by swindling and stealing from Natives, but no one seems to want to admit that when having a frank discussion about prosperity and disparity in this country. How many stories of cradle to the grave poverty do you suppose there are for every heartwarming "rags to riches" fairy tale?
The truth of the matter is that the rich owe their fortunes to the working class and the poor, and the working class and the poor create all wealth. The elites (whose boots you sound like you'd happily lick) reap all the rewards from the toil of the working class.
Just for argument's sake, consider this. You say I should be happy with the paychecks the rich provide. What if there were no lords and landowners, would the peasants have just floated in midair because the rich weren't there to give them some land to work and live on? No, if there were no lords and landowners, there would still be peasants and the peasants would know what to do with the land to survive. There would be barter and cooperation and a better world, unless and until greed reared up. The capitalist system we live under encourages and rewards greed.
What people like myself are hoping to one day see is a system that rewards cooperation and collectivism. Yes, this would involve the redistribution of wealth at first, and a more equitable distribution of wealth thereafter. In other words, no more CEO's making 250 times what their workers make. Why shouldn't you be able to share in the success of an endeavor if you are working in the trenches?
Don't act like all that flour, eggs, sugar and chocolate chips just flew out of the sky and landed in the bowl...respect the working class heroes who made it and share. Who knows, you might even like the feeling?
Homeless
I'm starting to worry that you may be more than just a TROLL here to F--- with us......The above deranged thoughts just may be real. :eek: Think however you'd like there Bubba, just don't do anything dangerous, there's always a chance you might wake up from your Utopian dream one day.:rolleyes:

[OKIE-JET]

I don't believe in the theory that we working poor and middle class owe what little we have to the so called "winners". Rather, I believe that the wealth that is held by the few is the product of the work of the many. In other words, the rich get rich on the backs of the poor, and folks who believe what you believe think that we unwashed masses should just be happy for what trickles down to us.
I was in Long Island, NY recently and I got to visit an inn that had been around since 1653. The inn was built on land purchased by group of settlers, led by a a Welsh farmer named Robert Williams. The land was purchased from the Matinecock Tribe for 50 pounds of tea, 20 knives, 6 hatchets, 6 hoes, 6 kettles, 30 awl blades, and a quantity of clothing. In exchange, the settlers got 12,000 acres of farmland with gently rolling hills, covering what will someday be Hicksville, Plainview, Jericho, Woodbury, and part of Syosset are his. I'd call that deal a little unfair given what that land is worth now.
Of course the land or the proceeds from it's sale has stayed in the family to this very day. This is one of the examples of how the landed gentry and the owning class in this nation have an unfair advantage due to their positioning at the right place in the right time. Other examples include the outright theft of land by way of broken treaties with Natives. Other examples of unfair advantage attained by the elites would be advantages gained through ownership of anything and everything that was ever built in this country by a slave or an indentured servant.
Wealth was created by slaves, but not shared with them. Advantage was gained by swindling and stealing from Natives, but no one seems to want to admit that when having a frank discussion about prosperity and disparity in this country. How many stories of cradle to the grave poverty do you suppose there are for every heartwarming "rags to riches" fairy tale?
The truth of the matter is that the rich owe their fortunes to the working class and the poor, and the working class and the poor create all wealth. The elites (whose boots you sound like you'd happily lick) reap all the rewards from the toil of the working class.
Just for argument's sake, consider this. You say I should be happy with the paychecks the rich provide. What if there were no lords and landowners, would the peasants have just floated in midair because the rich weren't there to give them some land to work and live on? No, if there were no lords and landowners, there would still be peasants and the peasants would know what to do with the land to survive. There would be barter and cooperation and a better world, unless and until greed reared up. The capitalist system we live under encourages and rewards greed.
What people like myself are hoping to one day see is a system that rewards cooperation and collectivism. Yes, this would involve the redistribution of wealth at first, and a more equitable distribution of wealth thereafter. In other words, no more CEO's making 250 times what their workers make. Why shouldn't you be able to share in the success of an endeavor if you are working in the trenches?
Don't act like all that flour, eggs, sugar and chocolate chips just flew out of the sky and landed in the bowl...respect the working class heroes who made it and share. Who knows, you might even like the feeling?
Homeless
LMAO! What a 'tard!

[Schiada76]

I don't believe in the theory that we working poor and middle class owe what little we have to the so called "winners". Rather, I believe that the wealth that is held by the few is the product of the work of the many. In other words, the rich get rich on the backs of the poor, and folks who believe what you believe think that we unwashed masses should just be happy for what trickles down to us.
I was in Long Island, NY recently and I got to visit an inn that had been around since 1653. The inn was built on land purchased by group of settlers, led by a a Welsh farmer named Robert Williams. The land was purchased from the Matinecock Tribe for 50 pounds of tea, 20 knives, 6 hatchets, 6 hoes, 6 kettles, 30 awl blades, and a quantity of clothing. In exchange, the settlers got 12,000 acres of farmland with gently rolling hills, covering what will someday be Hicksville, Plainview, Jericho, Woodbury, and part of Syosset are his. I'd call that deal a little unfair given what that land is worth now.
Of course the land or the proceeds from it's sale has stayed in the family to this very day. This is one of the examples of how the landed gentry and the owning class in this nation have an unfair advantage due to their positioning at the right place in the right time. Other examples include the outright theft of land by way of broken treaties with Natives. Other examples of unfair advantage attained by the elites would be advantages gained through ownership of anything and everything that was ever built in this country by a slave or an indentured servant.
Wealth was created by slaves, but not shared with them. Advantage was gained by swindling and stealing from Natives, but no one seems to want to admit that when having a frank discussion about prosperity and disparity in this country. How many stories of cradle to the grave poverty do you suppose there are for every heartwarming "rags to riches" fairy tale?
The truth of the matter is that the rich owe their fortunes to the working class and the poor, and the working class and the poor create all wealth. The elites (whose boots you sound like you'd happily lick) reap all the rewards from the toil of the working class.
Just for argument's sake, consider this. You say I should be happy with the paychecks the rich provide. What if there were no lords and landowners, would the peasants have just floated in midair because the rich weren't there to give them some land to work and live on? No, if there were no lords and landowners, there would still be peasants and the peasants would know what to do with the land to survive. There would be barter and cooperation and a better world, unless and until greed reared up. The capitalist system we live under encourages and rewards greed.
What people like myself are hoping to one day see is a system that rewards cooperation and collectivism. Yes, this would involve the redistribution of wealth at first, and a more equitable distribution of wealth thereafter. In other words, no more CEO's making 250 times what their workers make. Why shouldn't you be able to share in the success of an endeavor if you are working in the trenches?
Don't act like all that flour, eggs, sugar and chocolate chips just flew out of the sky and landed in the bowl...respect the working class heroes who made it and share. Who knows, you might even like the feeling?
Homeless
I've had a lot of employees just like you.
They were all fired becuse they were complete losers.:D

[The Doctor]

I don't believe in the theory that we working poor and middle class owe what little we have to the so called "winners". Rather, I believe that the wealth that is held by the few is the product of the work of the many. In other words, the rich get rich on the backs of the poor, and folks who believe what you believe think that we unwashed masses should just be happy for what trickles down to us.
I was in Long Island, NY recently and I got to visit an inn that had been around since 1653. The inn was built on land purchased by group of settlers, led by a a Welsh farmer named Robert Williams. The land was purchased from the Matinecock Tribe for 50 pounds of tea, 20 knives, 6 hatchets, 6 hoes, 6 kettles, 30 awl blades, and a quantity of clothing. In exchange, the settlers got 12,000 acres of farmland with gently rolling hills, covering what will someday be Hicksville, Plainview, Jericho, Woodbury, and part of Syosset are his. I'd call that deal a little unfair given what that land is worth now.
Of course the land or the proceeds from it's sale has stayed in the family to this very day. This is one of the examples of how the landed gentry and the owning class in this nation have an unfair advantage due to their positioning at the right place in the right time. Other examples include the outright theft of land by way of broken treaties with Natives. Other examples of unfair advantage attained by the elites would be advantages gained through ownership of anything and everything that was ever built in this country by a slave or an indentured servant.
Wealth was created by slaves, but not shared with them. Advantage was gained by swindling and stealing from Natives, but no one seems to want to admit that when having a frank discussion about prosperity and disparity in this country. How many stories of cradle to the grave poverty do you suppose there are for every heartwarming "rags to riches" fairy tale?
The truth of the matter is that the rich owe their fortunes to the working class and the poor, and the working class and the poor create all wealth. The elites (whose boots you sound like you'd happily lick) reap all the rewards from the toil of the working class.
Just for argument's sake, consider this. You say I should be happy with the paychecks the rich provide. What if there were no lords and landowners, would the peasants have just floated in midair because the rich weren't there to give them some land to work and live on? No, if there were no lords and landowners, there would still be peasants and the peasants would know what to do with the land to survive. There would be barter and cooperation and a better world, unless and until greed reared up. The capitalist system we live under encourages and rewards greed.
What people like myself are hoping to one day see is a system that rewards cooperation and collectivism. Yes, this would involve the redistribution of wealth at first, and a more equitable distribution of wealth thereafter. In other words, no more CEO's making 250 times what their workers make. Why shouldn't you be able to share in the success of an endeavor if you are working in the trenches?
Don't act like all that flour, eggs, sugar and chocolate chips just flew out of the sky and landed in the bowl...respect the working class heroes who made it and share. Who knows, you might even like the feeling?
Homeless
The simple fact that you might believe any of this, which you posted is absolute confirmation of everything I said.
You are the PERFECT democrat!
Fact is, you might just be a senator from New York for all we know?
Learn this one simple fact of society since the world was populated:
80% of the people will always have 20% of the goods and the other 20% of them will always have 80%. Governments have tried to re-distribute using every possible method and means. The percentages rebound to prove themselves despite it all. Some just work harder, save better, invest wiser and, when faced with them, take greater risks in an effort to live better than others. It's an age old principal that will last the eons of time. You can't legislate it away.
In your own example, please know that Mr. Williams PURCHASED the land from the tribe. Fair market value was received by the grantor of the land in exchange for the property surrendered. How was that unfair? Was there a gun to the head of the entire tribe?
Oh, and it's ultimate value was, and continues to be created by the grantee's hard work although that may have also escaped your liberal grasp?
You are the PERFECT democrat!

[ULTRA26 # 1]

The simple fact that you might believe any of this, which you posted is absolute confirmation of everything I said.
You are the PERFECT democrat!
Fact is, you might just be a senator from New York for all we know?
Learn this one simple fact of society since the world was populated:
80% of the people will always have 20% of the goods and the other 20% of them will always have 80%. Governments have tried to re-distribute using every possible method and means. The percentages rebound to prove themselves despite it all. Some just work harder, save better, invest wiser and, when faced with them, take greater risks in an effort to live better than others. It's an age old principal that will last the eons of time. You can't legislate it away.
In your own example, please know that Mr. Williams PURCHASED the land from the tribe. Fair market value was received by the grantor of the land in exchange for the property surrendered. How was that unfair? Was there a gun to the head of the entire tribe?
Oh, and it's ultimate value was, and continues to be created by the grantee's hard work although that may have also escaped your liberal grasp?
You are the PERFECT democrat!
Sorry Doc, but Homeless goes way beyond Democrat, which he doesn't even claim to be. Much farther left than most mainstream Dems.

[donzi5150]

I started this thread to show a point.....Dems for the most part vote and support the 22 points or points like that are listed, the list was sent to me by a buddy of mine who served with me and is still serving this country........Not all dems but many support and will vote on these issues above all other!
These issues only directly effect a minority of this country but the dems make it a focal point to elections cause they get a lot of mileage in the left bent media......If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues. Dems, you need to stand up with guys like Liberman, Roosevelt, Truman, etc...and quit focusing on issues like the 22 listed and stand strong so that they can be worked on!:idea:

[donzi5150]

To All My Democrat Friends: Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditionsat all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.
To My Republican Friends: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
:D :D :D :D :D

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I started this thread to show a point.....Dems for the most part vote and support the 22 points or points like that are listed, the list was sent to me by a buddy of mine who served with me and is still serving this country........Not all dems but many support and will vote on these issues above all other!
These issues only directly effect a minority of this country but the dems make it a focal point to elections cause they get a lot of mileage in the left bent media......If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues. Dems, you need to stand up with guys like Liberman, Roosevelt, Truman, etc...and quit focusing on issues like the 22 listed and stand strong so that they can be worked on!:idea:
If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues.
These are the issues and I don't know a Democrat or Republican that doesn't agree.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well. :)

[The Doctor]

If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues.
These are the issues and I don't know a Democrat or Republican that doesn't agree.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well. :)
I totally agree that there are many other very important issues facing us today. That being said, when we should all be able to agree to disagree on some things without compromising lasting friendships.
So to you Ultra:
May I return to you a wish for the same Merry Christmas and hope for a Happy and Prosperous New Year for you and yours.

[Old Texan]

If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues.
These are the issues and I don't know a Democrat or Republican that doesn't agree.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well. :)
Like these threads, our politicians and others too often take off on tangents like gun control, gay rights, abortion, etc. In your opinion are these special interest campaign topics or issues intened to move the focus off the core issues?
I sometimes wonder why the debates focus on in my opinion these lesser topics.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Like these threads, our politicians and others too often take off on tangents like gun control, gay rights, abortion, etc. In your opinion are these special interest campaign topics or issues intened to move the focus off the core issues?
I sometimes wonder why the debates focus on in my opinion these lesser topics.
Tex,
You've raised a good question that I really can't answer. IMO, the topics you mentioned are what I consider fringe topics and have little to do with the major issues this country faces. Both the Republicans and Democrats seem to find it more comfortable to discuss the simplistic BS topics instead of the real issues. Sorry I couldn't provide a more definite answer.
Merry Christmas you and your family Tex. :)

[Schiada76]

OH YEAH! :mad: :mad: Just who are you accusing of going off on a tangent!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all!:D :D

[redneckcharlie]

If we don't protect our boarders, country, civilians and economy we cannot work on these lesser issues.
These are the issues and I don't know a Democrat or Republican that doesn't agree.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well. :)
I'll second this! :)

[donzi5150]

So it sounds like my comments got us all united......I am not sure if Blown would agree.....we will have to see......but Ultra you have to look at these 22points and see that the left, especially, list these as the top of their campaign, but it looks like we all agree that the core should be focused on our borders, world security, civilian protection, economy and growth......Lets all go out an educate the fringe and get the country back on track!
I do believe there is really not a huge a gap as the media plays up between the left and right....it's just the fringe crap has a lot of money, feels good to some and gets a lot of traction.......I just wish the majority voted focused on 300 million Americans and not whether their neighbor's friend can or cannot have an abortion!:idea:

[ULTRA26 # 1]

I totally agree that there are many other very important issues facing us today. That being said, when we should all be able to agree to disagree on some things without compromising lasting friendships.
So to you Ultra:
May I return to you a wish for the same Merry Christmas and hope for a Happy and Prosperous New Year for you and yours.
Thank you Doc

[homelessinaz]

Sorry Doc, but Homeless goes way beyond Democrat, which he doesn't even claim to be. Much farther left than most mainstream Dems.
Hey, Ultra is right. Mainstream Demos will give a nod and a wink to people who believe as I believe, but as long as the Democratic party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the military/industrial/medical complex, they are basically just left centerists.
Homeless

[The Doctor]

Hey, Ultra is right. Mainstream Demos will give a nod and a wink to people who believe as I believe, but as long as the Democratic party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the military/industrial/medical complex, they are basically just left centerists.
Homeless
In other words, your really out there? I'll buy that!
Merry Christmas homeless.