20,21,22 Schiada. Differences?

[flatties forever]

Pretty sure I know difference between 21 and 22 ,but now I'm seeing 20's and I'm getting annoyed. Can someone clear up my confusion. What the hell is the difference between the hulls. Don't say 1 ft.. Same V or different v? Does the term "River Cruiser apply to any and all hulls?? Which boat is most commonly Marathon'd? I hear say that the 22 is the 21 with a different deck and more free board (then where's the extra foot??- It doesn't have a "Fountain" thingy on the nose). I'm confusing myself just writing this.

[Riverkid]

I'd love to take a ride in a big motored 24' V drive... :D

[superdave013]

Huffer, don't forget about the Schiada/Howard 19' (mistaking called 20' alot)

[Schiada76]

Huffer, don't forget about the Schiada/Howard 19' (mistaking called 20' alot)
Oh yeah! The 19's are way bad ass, at least that's what I've heard.:D

[The Doctor]

If you go looking for a 21' River Cruiser V-Drive like I did the difference is quite easy. It cost well over $10 grand more for the ski racer's boat than dozens of mini cruisers or 22s.
Oh, in my book, it was worth every dollar-and then some, but we've already beaten this horse into a pulp.

[Racey]

Huffpower, great post! excellent analogies
I'd love to take a ride in a big motored 24' V drive... :D
The SR-22 engine is down at Brummett's getting the bigger turbos on it right now, i guess ~1300hp wasn't enough :eek: :D

[flatties forever]

:D We'll see if we can do this witha lil humor,
20' : is like a bad ass slot car, with a lower freeboard and a foot shorter than the 21, they used them GN Boats, ski racers, ultra fast with twin turbo power, ever see the ad with Ron Spindler / Burt Court at Lake Mead, about 2 1/2' out of the water, see cool old ads.
21': is like, a well refined LeMans Corvette, the more power, crappy water, the better it likes it, all kinds of seating configurations, and will take whatever horsepower you can throw at it, the fastest I've ever heard a 21' run was near the 118mph range.Scott:D
Thanks for input. Is the v the same on the 20 and 21? What about width?
Thanks again!

[Riverkid]

Huffpower, great post! excellent analogies
The SR-22 engine is down at Brummett's getting the bigger turbos on it right now, i guess ~1300hp wasn't enough :eek: :D
That's just plain frightening...
That would be one hell of a ride. Nice job on that. :)

[jh4rt]

OK... I'm gonna get in trouble here, but, I'm gonna put my opinion out there to be blasted.
They are the SAME bottom. Ever notice that the 22 looks a bit like a duck-billed platypus? I own a 20 and have ridden in plenty of 21s. I've never ridden in a 22, but, I really think these bottoms are the same with the difference being in freeboard and deck. Notice in the post above that deadrise on the transom is the same, and beam is about 5" wider which would account for the flare in the hull and additional freeboard.
I'm not putting them down in any way, only I think they are the same. I love my 20, and would easily and gladly take it in nearly any water. I think the 21 would be better because some of the places I get wet, I'd stay dry. WRT the 22, well, just dryer yet, right?
OK... flame away.
;-)

[flatties forever]

:D
20' is 19'8" in lenght, beam = 84", deadrise=15 degrees at transom, freeboard=17", lowest point=13", weight for v-drive 2900lbs.
21' is 21', beam=89", bottom configuration=semi-v, deadrise@transom=15degrees.
I have the 22 info, just gotta find it, last time I had it I was showing it to Vince Granetelli, he had a turbine powered one,which is pictured on the brouchre, was very cool watching the original videos taken near the queen mary on initial shake downs.
Huff Daddy,
Thanks for the dimensions! Any Freeboard/lowest point #'s, and weight for the 21? It'd be cool if you could find the 22's dims as well. Thanks and much appreciated. BTW-- Why is there no Factory Schiada website in nearly 2008? Never met Lee, is he "old school" or what? Someone needs to tell him (verbally, because he probably doesn't have a phone) that he makes a great boat but might sell more if he utilizied the Net... Just a thought..

[haulina29]

Lee wasnt even born when the 20s were tooled .:D

[obnoxious001]

Having raced a 20' Schiada (purchased from some Haulina29 character), I would agree that you can run them in any water, but sitting still in rough waters is another story. They sit so low in the water it's a bit scary being stationary, and if you were to stop real suddenly, you will take water over the back.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/131Boat001b.JPG
By the way,, anyone know where I can find my old boat pictured above?

[franky]

Huff: your first post was elegent, the next too technical!!!...keep it mystic buddy:)
. but somewhere in the middle, I figured out I want a 19' also. Hey hows the flatty?

[Schiada Time]

20-Perfect ski racer with lower freeboard-run it on Parker and around Moabi
21-Most sought after Schiada with enough meat to blaze through decent sized chop, hang on the prop and haul serious ass with decent HP
22-The family Schiada of the bunch with the most room from the dash to the transom and underneath the deck. You lose alot in the floor with the V-drive but it is not as bad as losing all that room in the 20 or 21. Plow through sizeable chop especially in the older ones that were laid up heavy. Bad news-Get out your wallet to make them move!
The 22 is what I own and is perfect for the family of 3 and takes everything Lake mead can throw at it.
ST

[Rexone]

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BTW-- Why is there no Factory Schiada website in nearly 2008? Never met Lee, is he "old school" or what? Someone needs to tell him (verbally, because he probably doesn't have a phone) that he makes a great boat but might sell more if he utilizied the Net... Just a thought..
My "guess" would be that they have such a backlog and limited production that the last thing they need / want is to try to sell more with a website. As I said this is purely a guess.

[Racey]

OK... I'm gonna get in trouble here, but, I'm gonna put my opinion out there to be blasted.
They are the SAME bottom. Ever notice that the 22 looks a bit like a duck-billed platypus? I own a 20 and have ridden in plenty of 21s. I've never ridden in a 22, but, I really think these bottoms are the same with the difference being in freeboard and deck. Notice in the post above that deadrise on the transom is the same, and beam is about 5" wider which would account for the flare in the hull and additional freeboard.
I'm not putting them down in any way, only I think they are the same. I love my 20, and would easily and gladly take it in nearly any water. I think the 21 would be better because some of the places I get wet, I'd stay dry. WRT the 22, well, just dryer yet, right?
OK... flame away.
;-)
The 21's and 22's have identical bottoms, pulled from the same plug originally, just more freeboard, and the nose flare on the 22 comes from higher freeboard. i'm not sure about the 20's but it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for it to be the same as well.

[mondorally]

21' vs. 20' from behind.
Keith E. Sayre's 21'
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF3473.JPG
1Snyder's 20'
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38844&d=1189463588
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top boat is a 20' versus a 21' on the bottom. Entry on the 21' looks steeper with the obvious freeboard differences.
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43739&stc=1&d=1195958031

[schiadastan]

The Schiada 20, 21, 22, all have the same bottom. the 22 came first them the 21, then in 1978 the 20 came out. Scott has all the write info on it.
I have the 20 mold at my shop it's clean and ready to build a boat out of it.
If you want one call Lee at 818 448-9788 or you can call me at 818 441-8555
Thanks
Stan
yes we do build bare hulls...

[flatties forever]

[QUOTE=mondorally;2939250]21' vs. 20' from behind.
Keith E. Sayre's 21'
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/DSCF3473.JPG
1Snyder's 20'
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38844&d=1189463588
Thanks for the post . I can clearly see the the difference from 20-21 in these pics. The amt of free board above the exausts as well as the extra 5 " of width. The edge of the 20 is in line with the bottom. On the 21 you can clearly see where it flares out the 2.5 " or so on each side. Thanks again

[jh4rt]

The Schiada 20, 21, 22, all have the same bottom. the 22 came first them the 21, then in 1978 the 20 came out. Scott has all the write info on it.
I have the 20 mold at my shop it's clean and ready to build a boat out of it.
If you want one call Lee at 818 448-9788 or you can call me at 818 441-8555
Thanks
Stan
yes we do build bare hulls...
Thanks Stan.

[SGettmann]

How many 20's ride like this? Actually - the #197 boat looks like it's riding rather high as well. Don't see speedcoat on that bottom - stock with no blue print.
Sean
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd201/SGettmann/47_nosecarry.jpg?t=1197496521

[ColeTR2]

Yes...The bottom on a 20 is different then a 21...
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43739&stc=1&d=1195958031

[schiadastan]

besides being a little shorter off the back running surface, how are they
differnt

[obnoxious001]

Yes...The bottom on a 20 is different then a 21...
Hmm,, you might want to rethink your statement since Stan already confirmed that they are the same bottom:
The Schiada 20, 21, 22, all have the same bottom. the 22 came first them the 21, then in 1978 the 20 came out. Scott has all the write info on it.
I have the 20 mold at my shop it's clean and ready to build a boat out of it.
If you want one call Lee at 818 448-9788 or you can call me at 818 441-8555
Thanks
Stan
yes we do build bare hulls...

[superdave013]

Hmm,, you might want to rethink your statement since Stan already confirmed that they are the same bottom:
Brah, if ColeTR2 said it then it must be true. He should know, he owns a Cole.
This is some classic e-speculation right here!!
:D :D

[obnoxious001]

Brah, if ColeTR2 said it then it must be true. He should know, he owns a Cole.
This is some classic e-speculation right here!!
:D :D
I wasn't trying to rag on him as much as get him to retract his statement before everyone ganged up on him. I would think Stan knows what he is building. I had always heard the 20 had the same bottom as the 21,, but try to convince a speed skier that the 20 would leave the same nice wake for them?

[Riverkid]

Who got oil on my rope? You didn't slow down enough at that last roller... Blah Blah Blah. :D :D :D

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Huff: Hey hows the flatty?
Huffs flatty.;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/10365Copy_of_DSC04647.JPG

[jh4rt]

I wasn't trying to rag on him as much as get him to retract his statement before everyone ganged up on him. I would think Stan knows what he is building. I had always heard the 20 had the same bottom as the 21,, but try to convince a speed skier that the 20 would leave the same nice wake for them?
The wake will be different. Even though they have the same bottom, the ride characteristics, center of gravity, and driveabilty all changes when you add a couple of inches of freeboard and a bunch more weight. So... yes, they have the same bottom, but they are very different boats.

[obnoxious001]

The wake will be different. Even though they have the same bottom, the ride characteristics, center of gravity, and driveabilty all changes when you add a couple of inches of freeboard and a bunch more weight. So... yes, they have the same bottom, but they are very different boats.
I would tend to disagree some, citing that there is as much or more difference between some of the various 21' Schiadas that I had driven and ski raced behind as the couple of 20's I have driven.

[jh4rt]

I would tend to disagree some, citing that there is as much or more difference between some of the various 21' Schiadas that I had driven and ski raced behind as the couple of 20's I have driven.
huh? :idea:
I think we are in violent agreement. Set up has a ton to do with it, and you can't set up a 20 identical to a 21. :D
;-)

[schiadastan]

Last nite it hit me, we did make some changes on the 20 when we tooled it.
The plug came from the 21 mold, but when leanard tooled it he narrowed it
by taking only a couple of inches out of the keel and he added about 8 feet of rocker to it. Back in the late 70's and early 80's the water was not as ruff
as it is now with all the big boats out there so the 20 would carry more
with less horse power. The cockpet is smaller than the 21 so there is not that much room for a back seat. Most of the 20's were built as outboards,
the last ones out of the shop were around 1992 and they were sent to England. If any one would like one we still would build them, they still run smother than a flat, my back cant take a flatbottom any more.
Stan

[Boat211]

Last nite it hit me, we did make some changes on the 20 when we tooled it.
The plug came from the 21 mold, but when leanard tooled it he narrowed it
by taking only a couple of inches out of the keel and he added about 8 feet of rocker to it. Back in the late 70's and early 80's the water was not as ruff
as it is now with all the big boats out there so the 20 would carry more
with less horse power. The cockpet is smaller than the 21 so there is not that much room for a back seat. Most of the 20's were built as outboards,
the last ones out of the shop were around 1992 and they were sent to England. If any one would like one we still would build them, they still run smother than a flat, my back cant take a flatbottom any more.
Stan
What do you want for a hull?

[ColeTR2]

Brah, if ColeTR2 said it then it must be true. He should know, he owns a Cole.
This is some classic e-speculation right here!!
:D :D
I own a 21-ft Schiada RC... and a ColeTR2... :) I'm not speculating about anything just stating what i have seen with my own eyes.. and measured. One day I took a tape measure when i was working at Prime Marine and measured both a 21 and 20 I had both boats sitting side by side. And just sitting there you can easily see that the bow is much steeper where it inters the water on a 21... SO they are different. Look at the picture of the two side by side you can easily see it. Now the part of the bottom that rides on the water when the boat is on plane could be the same..
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45130&stc=1&d=1197567780
This is a detailed CAD drawing I did of a 21 RC while working at Prime. So I have looked at these boats as much or more than my Cole... O yea both of my boats run too.

[schiadastan]

Lee can give you a price, it all depends on haow you would like it built,
floor boards, opoen stringer, gel coat, types of resins, vac. baged ect.....
email him at SCHIADA788@AOL.COM that is the best way to get in touch with him.
Thanks
Stan

[schiadastan]

Cole tr2 whats the point ? If you make the boat narrower its going to take
some of the entrance out of it, most of the change was the rocker that was put into it.
Stan

[ColeTR2]

Cole tr2 whats the point ?
Stan
Stan i just don't like having someone tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.. No point other then that... To me when someone says the bottom is the same that means it came out of the same mold. And that it is not a spin off or a splash that has been changed.

[superdave013]

Cole tr2 whats the point ? If you make the boat narrower its going to take
some of the entrance out of it, most of the change was the rocker that was put into it.
Stan
His point was to give me a well deserved smack. It's ok, I can take it.
I stand corrected TR!

[WILDERTHANU]

You're all full of monkey crap. A tr2 has a 5/8 runner, tr4 has a 7/8 runner... ohhhh shit wrong argument thread.

[76schiada]

Heres my 19 Schiada PS: Its For Sale:)

[Schiada76]

Heres my 19 Schiada PS: Its For Sale:)
This boat is fckin bitchen, original rigging, gel etc.

[Schiada001]

:idea:

[haulina29]

001 it looks good that color it was originally white with red and blue trim . Hard to believe its been twenty years sience I owned that boat . The steering column and ski tow look the same . It originally had a hatch and full upholstery.;)

[Schiada001]

:idea:

[haulina29]

I think Barry asked me that awhile back . I will ask my wife there were a few floating around the house. It had a race aero 468 and a power glide under the cover. I had Blossdale build a 502 with a 871 and dominators in1988 .We had alot of good times with that boat....

[obnoxious001]

Hard to believe its been twenty years sience I owned that boat .
I bought it from you in 91, so it's only been 16 years?

[obnoxious001]

I have a few other photos of when I owned the boat. I bought the blower from H29, but changed over to turbos after I broke a crankshaft (and got a noise ticket at Parker, of all places!). I recognize the handle on the deck, the unique fuel caps, and the Rex shifter I installed when I added a transmission.

[haulina29]

I was actually refering to the time I owned it not when sold lol;)