Rig-style RV's?? What are they called?

[Froggystyle]

I am looking for one of those big RV's that looks like a Freightliner in front, but has a large toybox area in the very back and living quarters behind the driver.
Does anyone know what they are called or what to look for in one?
I have never owned an RV, but it is clear after this weekend that when we officially kick off the Tour de Trident for real we will need lodging, entertaining, roadies and other items with us the whole way.

[CornWater]

Toter...

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Check with OGShocker. He bought one and I'm sure it is first class all the way.....

[LAFD]

goto www.showhauler.com they have what your lookin for.

[Jordy]

Prevost. :D :D :D

[Sleek-Jet]

Prevost. :D :D :D
Yeah, no doubt about it....

[572Daytona]

Should have bought that Futurliner that was for sale at the auction. Would have worked great for your needs :)

[Magic34]

If you want to pull the Trident with it, you can look at FunMovers. They cost much less than the big dog ones.

[Froggystyle]

If you want to pull the Trident with it, you can look at FunMovers. They cost much less than the big dog ones.
Thanks. Is that the Four Winds one? I saw that they have a Kodiak base, but doesn't look like it is diesel... I would really like diesel I think. Preferably a Duramax after owning one.
Does anyone on here own one of these? I am thinking about the ability to take a small vehicle with me on the road trip for going to dinner in, maybe the motorcycle as well. Not a car though... more like one of those little neighborhood vehicles.
Plus all of the detailing gear, sleeping and living stuff etc... Plus, I am definitely hiring an actual driver so I can stay working (and posting... ;) ) and just get off the lake and head for the next place without being all pooped like I have been after testing and showing the boat all day.
Total load on the trailer is under 6,000#. Will the FunMover haul that? I can't find tow information anywhere on the Four Winds site.

[HighRoller]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/413Volvo-thumb.jpg Maybe someone can resize this. I highly recommend the Volvo chassis. Superior workmanship and design, and it rides about 400% better than any other truck on the road with the new air-ride front end. I wouldn't drive or own anything else after 800,000+ miles.

[Sleek-Jet]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/413Volvo.jpg
:D

[Magic34]

If you want to pull the Trident with it, you can look at FunMovers. They cost much less than the big dog ones.
There are also a lot in the trader you can buy used.

[Froggystyle]

If you want to pull the Trident with it, you can look at FunMovers. They cost much less than the big dog ones.
There are also a lot in the trader you can buy used.
I looked in the RV trader and saw some 39C's with diesels, but it seems like the majority are gas. Why is that? Wouldn't the diesel be clearly what you would use for this?

[SoCalHD]

Wes,
Check out the Jayco Seneca HD-5500 chassis with the Duramax in it. I think they are rated to tow around 9000lbs.
Chris

[Froggystyle]

Wes,
Check out the Jayco Seneca HD-5500 chassis with the Duramax in it. I think they are rated to tow around 9000lbs.
Chris
Nice. Basically what I am looking for but it doesn't have the garage. For what we are doing, that is mandatory. Tools, detail gear, Ducati, little vehicle etc...

[OGShocker]

Wes,
I will be in San Diego on Friday, with my coach. I'll hook up with you down there. PM me for my information.
Mark
http://www.theoldgeezers.org/sideclone.jpg

[SoCalHD]

Nice. Basically what I am looking for but it doesn't have the garage. For what we are doing, that is mandatory. Tools, detail gear, Ducati, little vehicle etc...
http://www.jayco.com/html/catalog/product.php?prod_id=109
Huh??

[Froggystyle]

http://www.jayco.com/html/catalog/product.php?prod_id=109
Huh??
Oh.... my bad.
I think my problem is that I have no idea what I am looking for. I didn't realize that this creation is a Class C. Seems a little big for a "van" chassis.
That one looks about perfect. Now I have to find one just plain white.

[Cole Trickle]

http://www.jayco.com/html/catalog/product.php?prod_id=109
Huh??
I was really impressed with Mocks!!
His Jayco is really nice and the price was decent considering the unit.(Wonder what the back door/garage adds to the price?)

[essexjet]

Try this web site. It has all the links to truck conversion mfg's. I go to there web site and drool
Truck Conversions (http://www.truckconversion.net/cgi-bin/linksql/page.cgi?g=Motorhome_MFG%2Findex.html&d=1)

[sigepmock]

I was really impressed with Mocks!!
His Jayco is really nice and the price was decent considering the unit.(Wonder what the back door/garage adds to the price?)
Thanks, We're pretty happy with our Seneca HD. We got the 34 SS, the ZX is the one with the garage. They are built on the Kodiak 5500 Chasis, hitch is rated at 10,000lbs but when you do the math on the GVWR you end up closer to 8,000lbs or less dependig on how much you load the thing up. Also they have limited fresh water, only 65 gallons. Not a problem for us but may be for some. At just over $100k they are a pretty good deal, lots of the good stuff found in the $200k moho's. I'm looking into a programmer to get a little more out of the Dmax in it, it's only rated at 300hp and 520 ft/lbs, they detune it so they can give you the 5 year motor and tranny warranty standard.
If you want to go Balls deep check out the rig like OG got very nice, they can pull anything, but they are a little pricey....at least too pricey for this wanna be JV Baller.
Here's some pics of ours:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495mohopic-med.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495livingroom.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495kitchen.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495bedroom.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495model_buildrv_pic_481.jpg
We really like the extra queen bed up front and the ZX'x with the Garage in back have an option for dual electric queen bunks.
Like I said for the $$$ these things are great and we love ours but they do have their limitations.
If you have an questions Wes give feel free to PM, also we have a family connection at Richardson's RV if you decide you want one.
Good luck
Chris Mock

[Froggystyle]

Thanks, We're pretty happy with our Seneca HD. We got the 34 SS, the ZX is the one with the garage. They are built on the Kodiak 5500 Chasis, hitch is rated at 10,000lbs but when you do the math on the GVWR you end up closer to 8,000lbs or less dependig on how much you load the thing up. Also they have limited fresh water, only 65 gallons. Not a problem for us but may be for some. At just over $100k they are a pretty good deal, lots of the good stuff found in the $200k moho's. I'm looking into a programmer to get a little more out of the Dmax in it, it's only rated at 300hp and 520 ft/lbs, they detune it so they can give you the 5 year motor and tranny warranty standard.
If you want to go Balls deep check out the rig like OG got very nice, they can pull anything, but they are a little pricey....at least too pricey for this wanna be JV Baller.
Here's some pics of ours:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495mohopic-med.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495livingroom.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495kitchen.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495bedroom.jpg
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/5495model_buildrv_pic_481.jpg
We really like the extra queen bed up front and the ZX'x with the Garage in back have an option for dual electric queen bunks.
Like I said for the $$$ these things are great and we love ours but they do have their limitations.
If you have an questions Wes give feel free to PM, also we have a family connection at Richardson's RV if you decide you want one.
Good luck
Chris Mock
I wonder if you can get those without any color on them? I want to wrap them with company graphics and such... Do you see them very often without graphics?

[YeLLowBoaT]

I wonder if you can get those without any color on them? I want to wrap them with company graphics and such... Do you see them very often without graphics?
If you wrap them with your company graphics it then becoms a Comm vehicle. Not really a big deal just more head aches and alot more cash. Alot of the sprint car guys I know have been getting hit with that latly...

[Froggystyle]

If you wrap them with your company graphics it then becoms a Comm vehicle. Not really a big deal just more head aches and alot more cash. Alot of the sprint car guys I know have been getting hit with that latly...
Yeah, but it will be owned by the company, used only for company use and paid for by the company. That is, by definition a commercial vehicle. :D
Plus, I have more people say they knew the truck before they knew the boat... The graphics work...

[sigepmock]

I wonder if you can get those without any color on them? I want to wrap them with company graphics and such... Do you see them very often without graphics?
Ours is a base white, with stick on graphics, although the the cab and storage doors are painted brown/tan. I have seen them at some events in white with company graphics but I bet they had to paint the cab and lower doors. I'll call our friend and see what he says about it. Give a day or two to get an answer.
We looked at all these style moho's and picked the Jayco as having the best quality, the funmovers we looked at we're crap along with the Gulf Steam Endura's. There is a small company in CO maiking them but I can't think of the name right now, might do a search for diesel Class C's. I think they are doing similar to the Jayco but more custom.
I'll let you know what I find out.
Chris
Let me know if youwant to borrow ours sometime, I know you're good for it. :D
Chris

[BoatFloating]

Yeah, but it will be owned by the company, used only for company use and paid for by the company. That is, by definition a commercial vehicle. :D
Plus, I have more people say they knew the truck before they knew the boat... The graphics work...
The only down fall to this if you reach a certain weight then who every drives it would need a CDL B class with or without air brake endorsment.

[soupersonic]

Since your a "baller" I wouldnt travel in anyhing less than one of these...
www.powerhousecoach.com

[Froggystyle]

The only down fall to this if you reach a certain weight then who every drives it would need a CDL B class with or without air brake endorsment.
There is no question we are hiring a driver. There are plenty of commercial drivers out there who would love this job. That is one of the reasons we need the garage. I want to set it up as an additional room for the driver. We are thinking of calling him "Simi" from "Coming to America"... ;)
Basically, we are going to be on the road for a month or so this summer and toting around three bikini models, myself and a driver and going to every single hot spot in America with the boat this year. Audrey will be flying in on weekends where she can, and trying to manage the talent.
Tough job, but someone has to do it.

[BoatFloating]

There is no question we are hiring a driver. There are plenty of commercial drivers out there who would love this job. That is one of the reasons we need the garage. I want to set it up as an additional room for the driver. We are thinking of calling him "Simi" from "Coming to America"... ;)
Basically, we are going to be on the road for a month or so this summer and toting around three bikini models, myself and a driver and going to every single hot spot in America with the boat this year. Audrey will be flying in on weekends where she can, and trying to manage the talent.
Tough job, but someone has to do it.
Did I tell you I have a class B with air brakes... :)

[sigepmock]

Did I mention you can borrow mine anytime?:D Hell I'll even drive for free.......just don't tell my wife :cry: :crossx:
Chris
There is no question we are hiring a driver. There are plenty of commercial drivers out there who would love this job. That is one of the reasons we need the garage. I want to set it up as an additional room for the driver. We are thinking of calling him "Simi" from "Coming to America"... ;)
Basically, we are going to be on the road for a month or so this summer and toting around three bikini models, myself and a driver and going to every single hot spot in America with the boat this year. Audrey will be flying in on weekends where she can, and trying to manage the talent.
Tough job, but someone has to do it.

[77charger]

sounds like you are lookin for either a renegade or a haulmark.These use the frieghtliner chasis.

[Mandelon]

http://www.powerhousecoach.com/d3tral1.JPG
Wow.

[GunninGopher]

They're called Super C's as far as I know.

[wsuwrhr]

Yeah, but it will be owned by the company, used only for company use and paid for by the company. That is, by definition a commercial vehicle. :D
Until you get to pay for road taxes for a year.
Everyone I know that has a toter has them registered in Oregon and they are registered as motorhomes.
"Private Coach, not for hire"
Brian

[Flying Tiger]

Class B

[Magic34]

Yeah, but it will be owned by the company, used only for company use and paid for by the company. That is, by definition a commercial vehicle. :D
Plus, I have more people say they knew the truck before they knew the boat... The graphics work...
A lot more expensive to insure/fees thast way though and you must stop at every weigh station the big rigs do because you are commercial.

[77charger]

A lot more expensive to insure/fees thast way though and you must stop at every weigh station the big rigs do because you are commercial.
my boss has one(42 ft haulmark motorcoach) also tows a 28ft stacker.does not have to go thru scales,considered a moho and registered in ca.He does havea private coach sticker on it i noticed though.No company names,etc just plain white

[OGShocker]

A lot more expensive to insure/fees thast way though and you must stop at every weigh station the big rigs do because you are commercial.
Not really, my insurance is $1500.00 full coverage. I do not have to stop a the scales. Our MH is owned by and registered to our corporation.

[H20 Toie]

what are thye called?
bitchen

[clownpuncher]

Wes, gimme a call. I have a good buddy that had one built just as you describe. He's a good 'ol boy that races street drags and he's using it for the races. A sleeping quarters, head, small garage for minor repairs/maintenance and towing capabilities, traveling satellite etc. I'm gonna drive it for him (and he wants me to race one of his cars when we get there)
Sounds exactly like what you're looking for.
This driving job.....sounds like a perfect job for a retired fireman :)

[LUVNLIFE]

We have the 16' Toterhome on a Freightliner chassis. 3126 Cat. Pulls all our toys fine plus I can put the golfcart on the back deck. Registered motorhome, not sure what the ins is but the reg isn't to bad because of motorhome status. As soon as you put the company name on the side it is commercial and everything goes up. I don't stop at scales and have never been hasseled and I pass a 365 day a year scalehouse every time I take it out. It's a good truck and plenty comfortable.

[Froggystyle]

I wonder where I would find out the information regarding private/commercial vehicle.
My truck has logos all over it, is registered as a commercial vehicle and tows the boat with logos... I never get hassled.

[Dave C]

wes,
Know anyone with a subscription to national dragster? If so, look in the back. There are plenty of adds for both new and used.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

My truck has logos all over it, is registered as a commercial vehicle and tows the boat with logos... I never get hassled.
In the state of CA aren't pickup trucks registerd as commercial as a matter of practice? I thought that was why the license plates only had one letter as that signified a commerical registration?

[Magic34]

Here you go Wes. Have fun and let us know what you end up with.
Some of the prices are reasonable.
189 Toters for sale (http://www.racingjunk.com/category/48)

[OGShocker]

This driving job.....sounds like a perfect job for a retired fireman :)
Get back in the kitchen! :crossx:

[KACHINA KEN]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/413Volvo-thumb.jpg Maybe someone can resize this. I highly recommend the Volvo chassis. Superior workmanship and design, and it rides about 400% better than any other truck on the road with the new air-ride front end. I wouldn't drive or own anything else after 800,000+ miles.
My fav too. It drives almost too smooth and by far the quietest I've driven. It did take awhile to decipher the pics on the control array though.

[SoCalSouthpaw]

www.powerhousecoach.com
DAMN. One word.... S I C K :)

[laveydayz]

We have a Frieghtliner FL112 Hauler by United Specialties. 44ft. with 12ft garage cat motor allison 10spd auto. Very well built rig. Dont know if you read Cycle News but they are always for sale in there. Also try www.becksmarine.com they build some nice ones. Also have heard alot of goods things about Renegade Haulers as well...good luck

[Froggystyle]

This is the one I am looking at so far... Seems like a big, good motor (450 hp Mercedes) and appointments. What I hate is all of the wood inside of most of these things. The "sport" package is usually much more in line with what I am looking for with granite looking cabinets and such, but this at least has rubber floors, insulated garage and lots of sleeping and room for partying.
Any advice on this one???
http://www.racingjunk.com/post/608113/2003-Renegade-1317XG-Garage-Motorhome.html

[Jordy]

Seems like a big, good motor (450 hp Mercedes) and appointments.
Probably the MBE900. I know someone who works for a shop who is an authorized MBE dealer, as well as Allison trannies. Looks like more reasons to come back to Phoenix. :D :D :D

[Froggystyle]

Probably the MBE900. I know someone who works for a shop who is an authorized MBE dealer, as well as Allison trannies. Looks like more reasons to come back to Phoenix. :D :D :D
So, good motor???

[Jordy]

So, good motor???
Haven't had many come through the shop with anything other than routine maintenance. I believe the plan is for the MBE to start replacing the Series 60 Detroit as time goes on.

[OGShocker]

So, good motor???
We upgraded to the Detroit 515HP 1800ft lb with a 12 speed auto shift. A FAR better package. IMHO. We'll talk more tomorrow.:D
I would stay away from Renegade. The "studs" in their wall are WOOD. Wait til tomorrow. I will be there around 3 PM or so....

[Jordy]

We upgraded to the Detroit 515HP 1800ft lb with a 12 speed auto shift
That's another way to go. ;)

[Magic34]

This is the one I am looking at so far... Seems like a big, good motor (450 hp Mercedes) and appointments. What I hate is all of the wood inside of most of these things. The "sport" package is usually much more in line with what I am looking for with granite looking cabinets and such, but this at least has rubber floors, insulated garage and lots of sleeping and room for partying.
Any advice on this one???
http://www.racingjunk.com/post/608113/2003-Renegade-1317XG-Garage-Motorhome.html
I think that 17' of garage is too much. I dont think a car could fit on the lift to get in there anyways.
I would be looking for a 12' garage with 18' of living. In my opinion, the more living space, the more you can do with it.

[SoCalSouthpaw]

This a great thread. Until now, I only knew of one web site that sold these things... cowboycaddillac.com.
Thanks!

[Blown Lavey]

Wes, remeber that you can only be 65 max in cali. You would have to go more along the lines of a smaller toter like andys to keep it legal. If you go az you can go 70-75 ft total. We have done a lot of research on these and for the money showhauler seems to be at the top.

[HighRoller]

OG, did yours come with the Freedom or the Auto Shit? (Freedom has only 2 pedals)

[OGShocker]

OG, did yours come with the Freedom or the Auto Shit? (Freedom has only 2 pedals)
Here are the power train spec's,
CL120 Columbia tandem axle
(limited)
Detroit engine
515hp. @ 2100 Rpm
1800 lb.-ft. torque @ 1200 rpm
Meritor Freedom transmission
Auto 12 spd.

[Froggystyle]

Wes, remeber that you can only be 65 max in cali. You would have to go more along the lines of a smaller toter like andys to keep it legal. If you go az you can go 70-75 ft total. We have done a lot of research on these and for the money showhauler seems to be at the top.
Hmmmm... Good point. Boat is 30' on the trailer, so that would give me 35 to use, right? Seems to be a lot of 33's out there.
Great info though. Does anyone know where to find out all of the good gouge like that in one place? Legalities, certifications, taxes, etc...

[Froggystyle]

I think that 17' of garage is too much. I dont think a car could fit on the lift to get in there anyways.
I would be looking for a 12' garage with 18' of living. In my opinion, the more living space, the more you can do with it.
I was thinking about the Corvette...

[OGShocker]

I think that 17' of garage is too much. I dont think a car could fit on the lift to get in there anyways.
I would be looking for a 12' garage with 18' of living. In my opinion, the more living space, the more you can do with it.
Our's has a 10' garage and a 1600 lb lift gate. Some gates are rated to 10,000 lb, :sqeyes: I am not sure why.:D
Here is our floor plan...
http://www.theoldgeezers.org/floorhmc.jpg

[HighRoller]

Here are the power train spec's,
CL120 Columbia tandem axle
(limited)
Detroit engine
515hp. @ 2100 Rpm
1800 lb.-ft. torque @ 1200 rpm
Meritor Freedom transmission
Auto 12 spd.
Good for you. The Eaton Auto Shit has terminal "downshift disease", attempting to grab a lower gear whenever it can and throw you through the windshield. It also misses more gears than a truck driving school student...The freedom is the only way to go if you're not inclined to row a REAL transmission :D

[OGShocker]

Good for you. The Eaton Auto Shit has terminal "downshift disease", attempting to grab a lower gear whenever it can and throw you through the windshield. It also misses more gears than a truck driving school student...The freedom is the only way to go if you're not inclined to row a REAL transmission :D
I didn't get this fat by working out behind the wheel. :notam: :D

[lucky]

A trident being towed by anything less than a peterbuilt would be disgracful :cool:

[Blown Lavey]

Hmmmm... Good point. Boat is 30' on the trailer, so that would give me 35 to use, right? Seems to be a lot of 33's out there.
Great info though. Does anyone know where to find out all of the good gouge like that in one place? Legalities, certifications, taxes, etc...
Your best bet on questions like that is Truckconversions.net, another note if you go commercial route, you will be stuck going through scales adding tons of drive time and hassle. Best to keep it as a private caoch not for hire to avoid the headaches, scales, dmv, dot, etc.
Pm if I can help.
Garry

[OGShocker]

Hmmmm... Good point. Boat is 30' on the trailer, so that would give me 35 to use, right? Seems to be a lot of 33's out there.
Great info though. Does anyone know where to find out all of the good gouge like that in one place? Legalities, certifications, taxes, etc...
When a manufacturer says 33', that is the living area only. 33' living translates into 45' overall. FYI

[Froggystyle]

My problem here is, I don't want to bite off some big rig just because I can. The tighter and smaller the better (in a lot more cases than MH's too...) but with enough power and durability that I can go to the river with it, do this trip with it, climb the giant grade in and out of town with no drama, drive to NorCal on occasion and now it looks like tote around an actual car.
See, thing is, I am looking at some pretty large rigs right now for less than the Seneca, even though the Seneca may be perfect right now. I have had a history of show cars, and I can't imagine that the capability of dragging my Corvette, or whatever replaces it with me is going to be a bad deal. So, with the increased capability comes additional expense and hassle, but it may be worth it. I am definitely going to Laguna Seca for the GP this year and hauling some bikes with me, definitely going to Coachella, etc... I could see that the ability to bring a car might be cool.
I dunno... I just have no idea what is good or bad, so I am falling on the mercy of the folks here who have done their homework. I kind of like everything about that one I posted, and even though the living area is a little shallow with the garage full, with the garage empty you have a big party area back there I can fill with club sound, speakers and DJ tables if I want to. Not to mention the additional two lounge sofas and private room it would create.
Who knows...

[Froggystyle]

When a manufacturer says 33', that is the living area only. 33' living translates into 45' overall. FYI
Dang. So how do the big rigs with two 54' trailers get down the road?
With a 30' boat, I can basically only go 13' longer than my truck! My short bed 2500 crew cab is 22' long itself. That puts me at 52' right there.
I can't see how that is possible. I see people with big boats and long ass RV's all the time here. Like full size busses pulling 30' boats.

[RIPPINGNOLEGSKROKER]

Froggy, just looked at a Renegade that has 15' of garage, Columbia chassis 500Hp Detroit, 12 Auto, twin screw,12kw Onan, loaded. Was built for a dude that flaked so I would guess they would deal. Call Ball Renegade, ask for John Riley

[laveydayz]

That Renegade looks like a nice rig and a fair price.

[OGShocker]

Dang. So how do the big rigs with two 54' trailers get down the road?
With a 30' boat, I can basically only go 13' longer than my truck! My short bed 2500 crew cab is 22' long itself. That puts me at 52' right there.
I can't see how that is possible. I see people with big boats and long ass RV's all the time here. Like full size busses pulling 30' boats.
You seem to be freaking yourself out...:D WAIT til tomorrow.. I'll freak you out so, you won't have to..:D:D:D

[Racer277]

I am definitely going to Laguna Seca for the GP this year and hauling some bikes with me,
Plan to go early (like Wednesday). We saw a couple of rigs get stuck there on Friday trying to pull in. Bikes parked everywhere, can't make the turn, trying to blindly back down a hill with cars behind...
You get the picture.
SCRAMP struggles with parking/traffic planning...

[Froggystyle]

You seem to be freaking yourself out...:D WAIT til tomorrow.. I'll freak you out so, you won't have to..:D:D:D
OK... back from the ledge... ;)
I still don't get it. How long is your rig end to end? I am nearly positive that would put me over the 65' limit...

[OGShocker]

OK... back from the ledge... ;)
I still don't get it. How long is your rig end to end? I am nearly positive that would put me over the 65' limit...
I'd tell you, but I am sure there are "coppers" in here just waiting for me to incriminate myself...:D fug it...45' nose to tail. :p

[Froggystyle]

I'd tell you, but I am sure there are "coppers" in here just waiting for me to incriminate myself...:D fug it...45' nose to tail. :p
So, uh... quick math tells me I will be 75' nose to tail. Is this allowable in CA, or do I need to buy it and keep it in AZ, which is totally doable.

[Froggystyle]

Again, this one Renegade 1317 (http://www.racingjunk.com/post/608113/2003-Renegade-1317XG-Garage-Motorhome.html) seems to be 13 plus 17 plus the rig, so I am imagining this would put me at close to 45' LOA. I would need something smaller than 35' LOA for it to be legal under the alledged 65' max.
I need some law dog to clear this up for me...

[OGShocker]

Again, this one Renegade 1317 (http://www.racingjunk.com/post/608113/2003-Renegade-1317XG-Garage-Motorhome.html) seems to be 13 plus 17 plus the rig, so I am imagining this would put me at close to 45' LOA. I would need something smaller than 35' LOA for it to be legal under the alledged 65' max.
I need some law dog to clear this up for me...
I will license you to use my copywritten "Never Forget". It's like a get out of jail free card.;)

[Blown Lavey]

Again, this one Renegade 1317 (http://www.racingjunk.com/post/608113/2003-Renegade-1317XG-Garage-Motorhome.html) seems to be 13 plus 17 plus the rig, so I am imagining this would put me at close to 45' LOA. I would need something smaller than 35' LOA for it to be legal under the alledged 65' max.
I need some law dog to clear this up for me...
Max you can go is 65, people going to Glamis have been getting stopped and they will roll out the tape.
Az or class a commercial with doubles endorsement, dot and all that bs. Being over length in cali is like speeding, lots get away with it, but damn no fun when you get caught. (also if you are over length they can impound or make you unhitch (sp) the vehicle and remove from highway.

[SoCalSouthpaw]

You said you'll be gettin a driver. Look no further.
I used to hold a 2ton explosive materials drivers cert while in the military. Im a phenomenal people personI live in La Mesa
All I'll need is my current income matched. Which, might be a problem.

[Froggystyle]

OK, considering the 65' overall length requirement (32' of trailer) the 33' LOA Seneca with a garage big enough for a golf cart/Rhino/motorcycle is probably the deal.
Any advice on others I should look at other than the Jayco? It appears to have the right combination of Chevy Duramax power (one call to Keith should cure a lot of problems ;) ) and tow rating. Nice enough as well.
Thing I liked about the Four Winds funmover is the sport interior option.
How do others compare the Four Winds and the Jayco?

[Froggystyle]

OK, considering the 65' overall length requirement (32' of trailer) the 33' LOA Seneca with a garage big enough for a golf cart/Rhino/motorcycle is probably the deal.
Any advice on others I should look at other than the Jayco? It appears to have the right combination of Chevy Duramax power (one call to Keith should cure a lot of problems ;) ) and tow rating. Nice enough as well.
Thing I liked about the Four Winds funmover is the sport interior option.
How do others compare the Four Winds and the Jayco?
This Four Winds has the interior and the engine I am looking for...
http://www.rvsearch.com/findrv/index.cfm/a-d/tc-36261/vid-109623/

[Magic34]

Max you can go is 65, people going to Glamis have been getting stopped and they will roll out the tape.
Az or class a commercial with doubles endorsement, dot and all that bs. Being over length in cali is like speeding, lots get away with it, but damn no fun when you get caught. (also if you are over length they can impound or make you unhitch (sp) the vehicle and remove from highway.
From what I understand from a friend who owns a transportation company that is really in to this stuff.......
You can be over the legal limit on Interstate highways (ie I10 ir I8) and if you go off of those highways, you must stay enroute to your destination. So if you were heading to the lake off the highway, you couldn't stop at the supermarket for ice, must go directly to lake.
You can fight the 65' rule with this.

[Froggystyle]

From what I understand from a friend who owns a transportation company that is really in to this stuff.......
You can be over the legal limit on Interstate highways (ie I10 ir I8) and if you go off of those highways, you must stay enroute to your destination. So if you were heading to the lake off the highway, you couldn't stop at the supermarket for ice, must go directly to lake.
You can fight the 65' rule with this.
Yeah, after doing research on it, it sounds like there is no federal length limit, but most states are at or near 65'. It sounds like if you take approved "truck routes" to and from the interstate to wherever you are going, you will be OK as well.
My thoughts are, that with a bigger rig, I could keep a Jeep Wrangler in back which would easily tow the boat just to launch it or recover it, and if you got into a pinch with the law, you could dump the Wrangler out of the truck and tow the boat to a truck route.
Question is, is the 95 and interstate, surely the 78 and 111 are not, which means no more driving past Glamis on the way to the river, but that isn't the end of the world. I am not sure I would want to drive that way with a big rig anyway.
The guy I talked to last night put it simply. Everyone does it. He said go measure any rig out there with a 54' trailer and you will find it is way over the limit. Most are nearly 72'.
I dunno. I really would rather get into a higher quality used rig with a big tractor that I won't outgrow, and perhaps could even haul a show car around with. On the other hand, I don't want to get popped.
As luck would have it, most of the places I go have truck routes right through the middle of them. I might just roll the dice and get the bigger truck, even though it would put me over 70'. It would certainly be more useful in the long run, and I could get a larger garage.
Too many questions...

[Froggystyle]

Now that I think about it, how do you tow a 42' Skater around with any truck? If my truck is 22', and odd are great you would need a CXT or something to get the job done, that has to be a 25' long truck. Figure for a 42' boat you need a 48' trailer minimum... Looks like a 17' vehicle is in order to get it anywhere. I don't know that such a thing exists.
What a weird rule...

[Sleek-Jet]

Now that I think about it, how do you tow a 42' Skater around with any truck? If my truck is 22', and odd are great you would need a CXT or something to get the job done, that has to be a 25' long truck. Figure for a 42' boat you need a 48' trailer minimum... Looks like a 17' vehicle is in order to get it anywhere. I don't know that such a thing exists.
What a weird rule...
Oversize permits in AZ.... don't know about CA.

[superdave013]

Now that I think about it, how do you tow a 42' Skater around with any truck? If my truck is 22', and odd are great you would need a CXT or something to get the job done, that has to be a 25' long truck. Figure for a 42' boat you need a 48' trailer minimum... Looks like a 17' vehicle is in order to get it anywhere. I don't know that such a thing exists.
What a weird rule...
it's prolly a permit load.

[Magic34]

Yeah, after doing research on it, it sounds like there is no federal length limit, but most states are at or near 65'. It sounds like if you take approved "truck routes" to and from the interstate to wherever you are going, you will be OK as well.
My thoughts are, that with a bigger rig, I could keep a Jeep Wrangler in back which would easily tow the boat just to launch it or recover it, and if you got into a pinch with the law, you could dump the Wrangler out of the truck and tow the boat to a truck route.
Question is, is the 95 and interstate, surely the 78 and 111 are not, which means no more driving past Glamis on the way to the river, but that isn't the end of the world. I am not sure I would want to drive that way with a big rig anyway.
The guy I talked to last night put it simply. Everyone does it. He said go measure any rig out there with a 54' trailer and you will find it is way over the limit. Most are nearly 72'.
I dunno. I really would rather get into a higher quality used rig with a big tractor that I won't outgrow, and perhaps could even haul a show car around with. On the other hand, I don't want to get popped.
As luck would have it, most of the places I go have truck routes right through the middle of them. I might just roll the dice and get the bigger truck, even though it would put me over 70'. It would certainly be more useful in the long run, and I could get a larger garage.
Too many questions...
I understood it as long as you are enroute off of the federal highway, and you can show the route you took (via map or something else) doesn't matter what roads you are on to get to your destination, just dont stop.
A CHP ticket wont hold up if this is what they are going for on the federal highways. However, they still try to write the ticket.
Just buy what you want and deal with the rules later. :idea: :)

[Magic34]

Now that I think about it, how do you tow a 42' Skater around with any truck? If my truck is 22', and odd are great you would need a CXT or something to get the job done, that has to be a 25' long truck. Figure for a 42' boat you need a 48' trailer minimum... Looks like a 17' vehicle is in order to get it anywhere. I don't know that such a thing exists.
What a weird rule...
A 42' Skater doesn't weigh more than 10,000# does it?
Wes, I have it all figured out for you......
Buy my truck, get a 5th wheel toyhauler, and tow the boat behind the toyhauler.
Here is the link to my truck. :) 4500 Chevy (http://www.***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100591)

[KACHINA KEN]

Dang. So how do the big rigs with two 54' trailers get down the road?
They don't my Froggy lil friend. The biggest doubles I personally have ever seen were twin 45's ( I originally thought they were 48's ) running in the midwest, they are turnpike doubles and typically only run the pikes and are seperate at rest areas specifically for trucks. There are also Michigan doubles that are a lil smaller but have almost 2 times as many tires as other trailers, I still haven't figured that one out.

[Sleek-Jet]

They don't my Froggy lil friend. The biggest doubles I personally have ever seen were twin 45's ( I originally thought they were 48's ) running in the midwest, they are turnpike doubles and typically only run the pikes and are seperate at rest areas specifically for trucks. There are also Michigan doubles that are a lil smaller but have almost 2 times as many tires as other trailers, I still haven't figured that one out.
Wal-Mart runs Trunpike cruisers out of St. George in Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, and Idaho. 2 45' trailers w/ Conventional tractor, 113' bumper to bumper. :D

[KACHINA KEN]

Wal-Mart runs Trunpike cruisers out of St. George in Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, and Idaho. 2 45' trailers w/ Conventional tractor, 113' bumper to bumper. :D
Well you know as well as I do that Wal Mart is above any silly lil law :)

[Sleek-Jet]

Well you know as well as I do that Wal Mart is above any silly lil law :)
Permits, man, permits. One of the peeps on HD's board is a driver for them. He's got some cool pics of those monsters.

[MONEYFURNOTHIN]

Call this number and ask them, they are the people who inforce these laws. CHP Castaic truck scales 661-294-5530. It rings right into the scales and an officer will pick up. Good luck building your toys, ill have to get some pics of mine on here. Give these guys a call of check out there website, competition trailers 903-657-8793. Ask for Ken tell'em Bryan at 204 sent ya!

[wsuwrhr]

Just buy what you want and deal with the rules later. :idea: :)
Yep.
There are ways around EVERYTHING.
Brian

[Wake Havasu]

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[Wake Havasu]

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[scarabrick2]

Here's a link at offshoreonly.com
http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/browse-17-0.html
Rick

[haulina29]

First off the STAA highway rule only applies to over the road commercial rig .A renegade registered as a moho cannot exceed 65 feet combined length period . Any motorhome registerd in California over 40 feet long needs a class B liscense to drive regardless of brakes type . California does not require a brake endorsemnet for mohos with air brakes at this time . it is not required to have PRIVATE NOT FOR HIRE on your renegade when you by pass the scales and they do a weight in motion and a photo of your front plate they no its a motor home as well as CHP on the freeway . The person who said 65 foot limit is pushed going to Glamis is correct I have been stopped outside of indio twice at 83 feet long and let go both times , both times I was told if I had quads and sand rails inside I was done . I had dragsters and a NHRA liscense and a track itenerary , Its ok to register your rig to your bussiness as a motorhome but never register it as a commercial vehicle and never put your company name on the door or company logo on it you will open a can of worms that you dont even want to mess with . And last do not get a Columbia they are a local daily use type cab step up and get the Coranado its the only way to go with the air ride cab wood grain interior and the front wheels are way out front and adds to the stabilityThe Volvo is nice but they are down on power the 515 detrioit rocks . Stay away from any unit that has metal siding as it is a maintenance pain in the ass and never looks flat .

[Froggystyle]

OK. I have narrowed it down to two homes. Both are Kodiak chassis with a Duramax.
One is the 2006 Four Winds 33c Funmover. I like the "sport" interior more than any I have seen, and think it is a lot closer to what I want. I will be re-doing it to look like a Revolution when it is all said and done. New upholstery, fasteners, fixures etc... Sure as hell new graphics. Found one new locally with no miles and $102,000 with two A/C units (one for garage), two drop down sofas/beds in the garage and a big mosquito net for the back. Plenty of storage for a Rhino or bike or both. Outside is white with vinyl, so I can easily remove it for something tasteful and match the boat.
Second is the Jayco Seneca ZX. Seems to be about the same, but I can't handle the graphics. They are more expensive, but I can't help but think it will be stuff that I will get rid of eventually anyway. (TV, audio, upholstery etc...) If the chassis is the same, I think the Funmover is closer to my end goal with the more sleek interior. I haven't been able to see one of these in person yet.
Both will haul my load with no problem, and both will put me just below max length. Jayco seems to be about $20K more.
Any last advice on the situation? I can't find either used, as the genre hasn't been on the market that long it seems.
Looking for input folks. Do any of you own either with a garage? Know someone who does? Works with a dealer?
Thanks
I have heard great things about the Jayco

[LUVNLIFE]

Even though I own a Duramax I feel that in your application of motorhome body, garage with a toy, pulling your boat, you might feel a little underpowered. I know people who bought these and pull race trailers and they are not happy. Just an opinion.

[haulina29]

Yes,pay the extra money and get a Freightliner

[Froggystyle]

Can't. Too long, and I don't want to deal with legalities. I can't afford a do-over.
Towing a 6,000 pound trailer will be nothing for this thing.
Give me some reasons other than power. I think the D-max will be fine.
33' total LOA. Put it this way guys, I am thinking about stepping down to a van chassis. I really don't need any more. Plus, the 100K brand new is pretty cool.
Tow rating is well over 12K with an empty hauler. I don't see the performance as worth the legality issues or potential headaches of the bigger rig.
I actually figured that a Kodiak was a little overkill for this application...

[CornWater]

Can't. Too long, and I don't want to deal with legalities. I can't afford a do-over.
Towing a 6,000 pound trailer will be nothing for this thing.
Give me some reasons other than power. I think the D-max will be fine.
33' total LOA. Put it this way guys, I am thinking about stepping down to a van chassis. I really don't need any more. Plus, the 100K brand new is pretty cool.
Tow rating is well over 12K with an empty hauler. I don't see the performance as worth the legality issues or potential headaches of the bigger rig.
I actually figured that a Kodiak was a little overkill for this application...
There is no room for practicality on Hot Boat...blasphemy.//
:rolleyes:

[LUVNLIFE]

Can't. Too long, and I don't want to deal with legalities. I can't afford a do-over.
Towing a 6,000 pound trailer will be nothing for this thing.
Give me some reasons other than power. I think the D-max will be fine.
33' total LOA. Put it this way guys, I am thinking about stepping down to a van chassis. I really don't need any more. Plus, the 100K brand new is pretty cool.
Tow rating is well over 12K with an empty hauler. I don't see the performance as worth the legality issues or potential headaches of the bigger rig.
I actually figured that a Kodiak was a little overkill for this application...
If you are going to reg it commercial and hire a driver you can go 75'. Wait till you hit a hill and you will want the power.

[Froggystyle]

If you are going to reg it commercial and hire a driver you can go 75'. Wait till you hit a hill and you will want the power.
That is the other thing... I have decided not to reg it commercial. Additionally, with a rig big enough to put a car in (the only reason I would step it up to a larger size) I would be around 77-79' with my 32' boat trailer.
Plus, after getting off the phone with the DMV and DOT and CHP, there is no exemption for a boat trailer period. I can go to 75' with two trailers if neither trailer is in excess of 28.5" LOA and if I am pulling with a tractor instead of a truck. In this configuration, I am locked down to truck routes only.
There are only a couple of exemptions on the books with regard to length and that includes NHRA and race car applications enroute to a sanctioned event. Often people get by with enclosed trailers that are greater than the max length because there is no reasonable cause to suspect that there isn't a race car inside. No such potential for compliance with a boat. You definitely don't have a race car in the trailer to have the potential to be legal with a boat trailer.
If I registered commercial I would get popped for length first day on a scale.
I think the whole thing is really messed up, but I am willing to work within the law and I am glad I learned the facts before purchasing.
So... back to the question. Anyone own a Four Winds or Jayco???

[haulina29]

FROGGY youve done your home on the rules and regs . . I get away with it when my cars are in it and am going to a race but if i was going to lets say a show or to a shop im screwed . If it was registered commercial and you stayed on STAA federal highways you would be ok even with a boat , but no where else the Highways are all marked with a circle around a T . I can say one thing for sure I have several friends that have them in the 80 foot range and we have not had them taken away yet . The way I look at it is if your 66 feet you might as well be 85 . I would still rather have a smaller toter than a Jayco by the way I had one of the first ford 650s and I was only kidding myself get the Freightliner. Loaded I run 75000 lbs and it goes over the ridge route 55 mph in 9th gear just cruisin it will pull the Baker grade in 120 heat at 75 in 11 gear you cant beat em there is no way my Ford would have even came close plus my Ford beat you to death .

[Froggystyle]

With a different situation, I would be sold on a bigger rig. I am trying to figure out if I even need this one. I don't have kids, I don't camp much and I am using it almost purely for work.
I am seriously thinking about a Class B.

[Froggystyle]

Wow... just a little looking into it shows the Class B might be the way to go. Same diesel as a 33' home but in a much smaller package.
Stand back folks... we may have a winner.

[Blown Lavey]

Wow... just a little looking into it shows the Class B might be the way to go. Same diesel as a 33' home but in a much smaller package.
Stand back folks... we may have a winner.
With the weight of the coach you will be dissapointed, Imho. Why not do a toter like Andys ? Im sure you could configure it and have the best of both worlds, towing and comfort.

[Froggystyle]

With the weight of the coach you will be dissapointed, Imho. Why not do a toter like Andys ? Im sure you could configure it and have the best of both worlds, towing and comfort.
Who is Andy?
BTW... the Class B sucks for what I am doing. No shower etc... Too small.
I am 90% sure on the FourWinds now. 33C Funmover. I am going to look at Sigepmock's Seneca for good measure if I can, but for what my purposes are, I really don't see getting much better than the Funmover.
Plus, the price is right as hell on it. I don't think I could build it myself any better for any less, so that has to mean something...
Last call for differing opinions... remember 34' max LOA.

[Rubths]

Yeah, but it will be owned by the company, used only for company use and paid for by the company. That is, by definition a commercial vehicle. :D
Plus, I have more people say they knew the truck before they knew the boat... The graphics work...
Wes there is a used Fun Mover I think 30-33ft for sale down the street from me in Winchester. If your interested I will drive by and get the number for you.

[msc5195]

I am 90% sure on the FourWinds now. 33C Funmover. I am going to look at Sigepmock's Seneca for good measure if I can, but for what my purposes are, I really don't see getting much better than the Funmover.
Last call for differing opinions... remember 34' max LOA.
Why not go with a cowboy cadillac? Many options available. They will custom build to your likings. Look
HERE (http://www.cowboycadillac.com/truckconversion.htm)
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[Froggystyle]

Wes there is a used Fun Mover I think 30-33ft for sale down the street from me in Winchester. If your interested I will drive by and get the number for you.
That would be awesome. Diesel, 33c is preferred.

[msc5195]

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[MONEYFURNOTHIN]

I hate to say it but those cowboy cadillac's are f---ing ugly! The last one is not bad but those first two......WOW look like a sloppy abortion

[msc5195]

I hate to say it but those cowboy cadillac's are f---ing ugly! The last one is not bad but those first two......WOW look like a sloppy abortion
The last one as in the BLACK one is really ugly but somebody somewhere likes them. Just throwing out some options.

[yeah,right]

I hate to say it but those cowboy cadillac's are f---ing ugly! The last one is not bad but those first two......WOW look like a sloppy abortion
I was thinking the same thing. Spend all that money for something that looks home built.

[Froggystyle]

The last one as in the BLACK one is really ugly but somebody somewhere likes them. Just throwing out some options.
Funny you say that... it was the one that got me to call them!
Of all the ones I have seen, the black one is the closest to what I want. Queen bunk over the garage, which enters from the side so I can pull the bikes out without taking the boat off the hitch. Perfect! Plus, it is a crew cab 5500, so we can hang together a lot better. Probably nicer riding in a seat than a bunk I imagine. Plus you can talk easier.
If it didn't take 8 weeks to build (which if it translates to boat weeks by custom builders I could have it by July 4th...) than I would have taken it. I actually begged the new owner to sell it to me. First one I have seen rigged like that.
As it is, I am probably pulling the trigger tomorrow on a new 33c from Owens Motorsports in Illinois with no graphics. Completely loaded for under $100,000.
Thanks for all of the help folks. I will keep you appraised of the way it goes from here.

[sigepmock]

Funny you say that... it was the one that got me to call them!
Of all the ones I have seen, the black one is the closest to what I want. Queen bunk over the garage, which enters from the side so I can pull the bikes out without taking the boat off the hitch. Perfect! Plus, it is a crew cab 5500, so we can hang together a lot better. Probably nicer riding in a seat than a bunk I imagine. Plus you can talk easier.
If it didn't take 8 weeks to build (which if it translates to boat weeks by custom builders I could have it by July 4th...) than I would have taken it. I actually begged the new owner to sell it to me. First one I have seen rigged like that.
As it is, I am probably pulling the trigger tomorrow on a new 33c from Owens Motorsports in Illinois with no graphics. Completely loaded for under $100,000.
Thanks for all of the help folks. I will keep you appraised of the way it goes from here.
Can't you at least wait to check out Jayco??? :D Like I said the quality difference is noticable, but it's you're money. I was even going to suggest you come out early on Friday and I would take you over to Richardson's RV and hook up with our guy and look at the ZX, I'd even buy you lunch. We looked at them all for three months and had connections for both the Jayco and Fourwinds....the fourwinds was actually cheaper but we went with the jayco because I figured if I'm going to spend that much $$$$ I wanted the best quality I could afford. Just my $.02 and I know how I get when I get fired up about buying things just ask my wife....but I honestly think you should give them both a look before you jump in.
Let me know and I'll clear my schedule Friday and take you over there, not too far away just off the 91fwy a little east of the 15FWY, right on your way out to Havasu.
Chris

[Magic34]

Froggy,
You'll be fine with the Duramax. I have it in my truck now (Chevy 4500) and it tows both the boat and Toyhauler just fine. The toyhauler is 18k loaded and other than the hills the truck does just fine.
It pulls hills with the toyhauler at 45 MPH (I wish it did 65).
One other thing.... My truck weighs about 11,200# and with the trailer around 17k it does what I stated above. So the motor handles a lot of weight just fine.

[Froggystyle]

OK everyone... beers are on me. I really appreciate everyones input and suggestions. As I just wrote to Chris, I have some needs for the moho that go beyond quality of construction and fit and finish. Reality is, every single thing I looked at was garbage to me. Even the nicest Class "A" on the lot looked cheaply built to me, and I know I would spend a lot of time and money getting them right in any case.
The hardware made my decision. With the interior style available with the Funmover, I can replicate a boat more accurately, and look a lot cleaner on the inside. Plus, we will need to shlep folks around with business work.

[Beer-30]

If you were even considering downgrading to the "van chassis" type, you might as well just put a GM crate 454HO under all of your twin-turbo Revolution motors. You'll just kill it way too early.
You are going to be traveling all over with that rig. You can have one that will cut it - at the minimum; or you can have something that you can't break. Going overkill on the chassis and drivetrain will keep you from being stranded on the side of the road in BFE.
Been there done that.

[Froggystyle]

If you were even considering downgrading to the "van chassis" type, you might as well just put a GM crate 454HO under all of your twin-turbo Revolution motors. You'll just kill it way too early.
You are going to be traveling all over with that rig. You can have one that will cut it - at the minimum; or you can have something that you can't break. Going overkill on the chassis and drivetrain will keep you from being stranded on the side of the road in BFE.
Been there done that.
I understand what you mean, but I hardly think that a C5500 chassis hauling a 20' box and a 6,000 pound boat is the minimum.
Although, frankly I figured a C3500 van with a Duramax and some sleeping gear on it would probably haul the shit out of the boat long term. I know my truck does splendidly. ( I so rarely get to use splendid... couldn't pass up the chance)
But, I am looking at the 33c with a 5500 Kodiak and the only spoiler is a 35c with a F750 hauling it around. The 35c is used, and probably a great deal. If it doesn't have the sport interior though... game over.

[Beer-30]

A 5500 I could understand. That should be enough suspension, rearend, driveline, bearings, coolers, etc. No way on the 3500. Look at any of these 2500s pulling 30-33 foot toy haulers. One must use airbags to get the rear end back up. Then, that will transfer the added weight right to the wheel bearings. Over a few years, with only hauling a dozen times a year or less, that won't be too big of a deal. Haul all of that PLUS a boat, fuel, tools, gear for any breakings, you are way past 3500 specs.
I have a 3500 dually to pull the 30' Sleek. I figure trailering weight at around 7500-8000. Let me tell you, that is plenty of weight for a one-ton. Get 4 people, luggage, ice-chests, and full fuel; it's a hell of a load. It can do it, just fine, for the few long trips I do. You, on the other hand, will be all over the place. These boats could end up along the east coast and you may be doing some heavy duty cross-country trips. Just think ahead, is all I am offering. I used to haul a 48' 4-car trailer with a C-60 2-ton GMC with a 366 gas and 5/2. That was enough truck (could've used another 100 HP, though) for that load. It would be the = of a 5500 or 6500 today. I doubt you could break that with the load you are talking about. A 3500 chassis?; you bet you could break it.

[Froggystyle]

AI have a 3500 dually to pull the 30' Sleek. I figure trailering weight at around 7500-8000.
I see your point, and thank you kindly for the input. I am taking it all in I assure you.
For the record, you are closer to 9K on the trailer empty. I have no doubt that you are getting near max with it. A 30' sleek is well over 6K regardless of advertised weight. If you have twins, you are probably closer to 10K down the road. Keep in mind our two axle trailer is better than 2000 pounds.

[Rubths]

That funmover hasnt been on the corner this week but I will keep my eyes open for it.

[andy01]

I did a lot of the same homework you are doing. I looked looked and looked. This is 32' foot, fun to drive nothing like the fun mover or any of the Chevy based stuff. DON'T BUY THE GM BASED STUFF! I drove one with 5,000 miles on it, it sounded like it was going to fall apart at 65. And 65 was driving it real hard. I love my M2 and can fit a Rhino or something on the back, tow any trailer or boat. I don't use mine like I thought I would and it is forsale.........
http://adcache.rvtraderonline.com/3/7/4/82680674.htm
Andy

[Beer-30]

I see your point, and thank you kindly for the input. I am taking it all in I assure you.
For the record, you are closer to 9K on the trailer empty. I have no doubt that you are getting near max with it. A 30' sleek is well over 6K regardless of advertised weight. If you have twins, you are probably closer to 10K down the road. Keep in mind our two axle trailer is better than 2000 pounds.
I appreciate the insight. I have no doubts it is near that figure. I see the brochure says 5500 for the boat, but couldn't hardly believe it. I always figured the trailer for 2000, but if you are saying a 2 axle for a 27-28 is 2000, then my heavy-beam 3 axle must be 2500 or so. I am thinking they are advertising that weight w/o drivetrain. It sure feels heavier than my original estimation. And definitely no on the twins. One is enough for me! Thanks for your input.
When I weigh it one day, I will post and get your attention. We'll see how close either of us is. :)

[OGShocker]

What did you get?

[Froggystyle]

What did you get?
New Funmover 33c. Just showed up from Illinois late last week. You would be suprised at how much money you dump into these things once they show up just making sure you have all the crap you need.
And, of course everything had to match... ;) So, once the graphics are on it, I will get some pics up of the thing. The interior is still getting dialed in to match the boat, and the golf cart is finished too.
You going to be in Havasu this weekend?

[OGShocker]

New Funmover 33c. Just showed up from Illinois late last week. You would be suprised at how much money you dump into these things once they show up just making sure you have all the crap you need.
And, of course everything had to match... ;) So, once the graphics are on it, I will get some pics up of the thing. The interior is still getting dialed in to match the boat, and the golf cart is finished too.
You going to be in Havasu this weekend?
If I do, we'll have to have a bumper pull with the MoHo's..:D
Very cool for you guy's! I hope you like it!

[Froggystyle]

If I do, we'll have to have a bumper pull with the MoHo's..:D
Very cool for you guy's! I hope you like it!
Yeah... I need that like a hole in the head... :D
This thing is perfect for us. I was really worried about the LOA and this solves that problem completely.
I will take some shots of it today with the boat on it...
Wes

[sigepmock]

Yeah... I need that like a hole in the head... :D
This thing is perfect for us. I was really worried about the LOA and this solves that problem completely.
I will take some shots of it today with the boat on it...
Wes
Congrats Wes...I'm glad you got the one that works for you guys. I'm working with Diablo Sport right now on getting a programmer to run on our trucks, just a little different than the light duty trucks...Edge didn't want to even try to make one work. I'll let you know what we come up with, I'm sure you'll be wanting a little more umph...in that thing :crossx:
Definately post the pics.
Chris

[Froggystyle]

Congrats Wes...I'm glad you got the one that works for you guys. I'm working with Diablo Sport right now on getting a programmer to run on our trucks, just a little different than the light duty trucks...Edge didn't want to even try to make one work. I'll let you know what we come up with, I'm sure you'll be wanting a little more umph...in that thing :crossx:
Definately post the pics.
Chris
Ummm... I'm getting an Edge.
Just don't tell anyone... ;)
I would be very afraid of any mod programmer that doesn't de-fuel at a specific EGT. Especially for a moho with a boat behind it.

[sigepmock]

Ummm... I'm getting an Edge.
Just don't tell anyone... ;)
I would be very afraid of any mod programmer that doesn't de-fuel at a specific EGT. Especially for a moho with a boat behind it.
I hope the Edge works for you...That's what I wanted but Edge said it was a 50/50 chance of it working.....their official answer was ....plug it in ans see it works.....if it doesn't we'll give youre money back. I won't go into all the details....but they pretty much talked me out of it.
I'm adding an EGT and boost guage to ours and I've had great luck with the Predator on my 2500HD, EGT's are kept very low compared to my buddies with the Edge...anyway....congrats on the rig and let me know if I can help at all.
Chris

[Brady Bunch]

Where are the pics Wes..... :rollside: