I Like Blower Motors!!!

[TIMINATOR]

I like blower motors, but mostly somebody has to post somthing once in a while! TIMINATOR

[jrork]

You and me both Tim. At the risk of getting flamed, I'll post up a build question on a separate thread and see what happens
While I'm still disappointed in the direction this site took, there are still many that visit this site and there's never too many sites on the internet for folks to draw advice from.
I'll call it Budget Blower Build. How's that for an oxymoron?

[TIMINATOR]

I remember "Oxymoron" being the cleaner we used back at the institution. It was made by the same company that makes the floor scrub for nuclear power plants,"Mop and Glo". I'm cured ya know........ TIMINATOR

[jrork]

I'm cured ya know........ TIMINATOR
Reeeeeaaaaalllllly............:D
Now, I gotta get typing my post.

[eliminator1974]

I agree this site took a bad turn for the worst an i really miss all the info an the people pics and commintes about all the other boats an there issuse. Boat I still love my blower Motor an the noise it makes when its building boost. You got to Love that

[bigkatboat]

TIM! Are you the troublemaker, or am I? I just can't help 'jumping in' when I hear THE SAME OLD STORY from guys on here. I don't blame them, they just have not gotten to "that point" yet. I am not here to "tell people what to do" but I am here to help them SEE what has been done in the past and how it can work or not for them. I'm not trying to get customers, I turn people away, because I don't want to work so much. I really need more time to work on my "tunnel V-drive designs" and this internet stuff is just a great "mind workout", trying to remember all the combinations that have worked using "little money". Many here take my words as INSULT, but in fact, I'm saving them a ton of money, if they only listen. I don't know everything, but I do know how to win in ski racing, circles, and drag boats, flats, hydros and jet. You and I (along with others here) are offering REAL KNOWLEDGE for free, not just "I got a boat and I did this...BS" It's sad that people get "butt hurt" instead of ASKING MORE QUESTIONS, for free! The 'fights' are making these sites less helpfull.

[HEAVYBOAT]

Someone maybe asked this already, but I havent seen it.
WHere the hell in infomanic? He was going to take me for a rip in one of his rocket boats,and I promised to get him drunk :devil:

[TIMINATOR]

Bigkat; I agree wholeheartedly. I think at least part of the problem is that some of the newbies aren't looking for help, just a pat on the back for accomplishing what was their biggest deal so far. I need to be able to better identify whether or not they are actually asking for advice when they are asking for advice. The new owner of the Banderlog board asked last year where the "brains" went. I replied that the problem was an 80 MPH boater asking for advice on how to go 90MPH, getting advice from a 55MPH newbie that thinks he knows more than the guy that has built dozens of 120+ MPH boats. I like to help, but I (and others like you) get tired of justifying our knowledge/experience. So we just read and laugh, don't post, don't help, and don't get involved. The "brains and experience" are still on the boards, they are just not getting involved as much. JROK owes you a big-time apology, but I don't believe you will ever get it. It is another case of "killing the messenger". Its human nature to not want to admit you were wrong. I wonder how much good info was never posted on the other thread because few wanted to get involved in the manure-storm. TIMINATOR

[bigkatboat]

He doesn't owe me anything, he's the one who suffers. SURE there are a lot of different ways to do all these boat related problems, but I offer the ways that I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE, not just guessing, but really done the work. I also offer real performance with 'lower cost parts', but have been "shouted down" by others here. Some of which have never even raced a boat. It's hard for me to not DRILL some of these guys who "respond without knowledge" of what I said, let alone know what they are talking about. I had to LEARN, and I just wanted to offer up what I know. If I don't "kiss your ass while giving you real info" tough shit. I'm not here 'druming up business', I don't really want to work anymore than I have to. But in the case of any guy who "spends blower money" and then asks for "80 MPH speeds", I know for a fact that every guy who has come to me with a similar story has ALWAYS wanted MORE, right after he got his ass handed to him at the lake. You know it, I know it, he will learn too! If he doesn't he will be the guy who says, "a boat is a hole in the water, and you just throw money in it". I say, "the boat is never the problem, the owner is, and he should have listened to those who tried to help FOR FREE!"

[bigkatboat]

Is this area reserved for BELT DRIVEN STUFF ONLY? Or can I throw in some "hot air" ?

[pocketchange 22]

I am still one of the few faithful members. Building a new motor for my 271 Formula. 502bbc .030 over, SRP 8.75:1 flat top pistons. The motor has a side mounted Whipple Charger with the piggy-back computer. I am now starting to put things back together, like to get a little more out of it. Looking for a more aggressive camshaft. Also would like to eliminate the piggy-back Whipple computer (if possible) and re-program the mefi3 computer. If doable how would the auxilery injectors fire, and how would they be wired into the stock harness? Another question, could the mefi know when to recognise boost?
Just looking to simplify the wiring, because if the aux. fuel pump dies it will lean the motor, and after completly building a new mill, I would rather not cook it.
I know the 502 mpi's are built to give the motor a certain amount of fuel in relation to the opening of the throttle body, and adding a cam will increase air, not fuel. So computer needs to be re calabrated.
This needs to be reliable also...I dont want to spend the summer with the engine hatch open. I have heard horror stories when it comes to reflashing computers. So I am trying to keep it simple, and neat.
N/A motors are pretty cut and dry, efi blown motors are a whole new venture. I know electronics are great when they work!!
As always, thanks for reading. Hot Rod

[pocketchange 22]

you have got to be kidding, not one person has any advice..or other input??
Thanks anyway, solved the delema. Thanks B&D Marine

[Shadow1]

Last year I can here all the time looking for advice on blower motors. I have a 540 with an 8-71 and I wanted to learn everything I could but this site seemed to dissappear over the winter or something so I stopped looking here.
I know what you say about the newbies and the old guys haveing to re- establish their credibilty over and over again. I hung around the corvette forums alot, introduced alot of new technology but got tired of the kids and stopped posting. I just drop in every week or two to see what's new over their but again have totally stopped replying.

[TIMINATOR]

Pocket: its not that I didn't have input, I just think that you will be better off in the long run with an aftermarket computer and I got the impression that you want to stay with what you have... more info? You will spend more tricking the stock efi to do some of what you want rather than doing the aftermarket computer. and as for hot air, turbos, prochargers, whipples, etc, are all welcome here, at least as far as I am concerned. I have run all of them, but a roots is my favorite, its plenty fast and a docile way to do it. I PREFER draw through carbs or EFI (after market and waaaay tunable). I have a bird that I am setting up to run on my 14-71 in the 25. but the current carbs idle and run flawlessly....... TIMINATOR

[bigkatboat]

Timm, I didn't answer the "pocketchange" guy because he seemed to be going in a direction that I won't go. Removing and replacing the merc EFI controler, for his application, is what I would do. I like the roots stuff but I'm starting to put parts on the shelf for a turbo motor. I've worked with Doug Engle on cams I have used in the past. I want to hear what everyone else is using and at what power levels. I want to try hydralic roller cams in Chevy BB motors. as in the past, I will be using a billet 2000 CFM throttle body and dry charge intake manifold. I'll be fabricating my intercooler and exhaust system. I have some Turbonetics T-60's and 2"waste gates from another project. These blowers are efficient but will not support a motor (at a high level) over 500", so I'll be staying 'small' in the block. I'm just looking for actual cam specs for turbos that are currently working for people here. Thanks.

[TIMINATOR]

I prefer solid rollers in any blown app. because the cylinder pressure at exhaust opening is even higher than unblown and contributes to bleed-down/collapse. That hurts the power more than normal because it tends to reduce the exhaust effective duration and lift, and on a blown deal thats exactly what you don't want. On any blower BBC deal over 6-8 lbs we run 7/16" pushrods on the exhaust to prevent lift/duration loss there too. Call the guys at the pushrod companies! We have seen some decent power gains on blown deals with the bigger pushrods. We usually run 3/8" on the intakes and mill the exhaust slot for the bigger exhaust p-rod, that also allows us to position the rockers closer to an ideal position on both valves. NOTE to pocket change: mebbie its not that no-one wanted to help, just we couldn't wrap our heads around what you were going to do and didn't want to get involved. If you decide to go a different direction then you will most likely get lots of help. What we need here is not another s--t-storm like the last deleted blower deal! TIMINATOR

[90mphRAGE]

I would love to post, but there's 6" of snow & I'm paying boat payments + storage. It's depressing.:(