progress...

[cyclone]

well the pump is in. I also ran all the wiring, installed the gauges and installed one of the fuel tanks. Things are going well with the exception of some pesky stainless steel hardware now and then. Should be getting her wet next weekend if all goes well.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45pumpinboat-med.JPG

[cyclone]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45overallofboat-med.JPG

[bordsmnj]

ok,that's pretty f-ing sweet but where's the rest of the pic's??? :D more.

[HammerDown]

Whats not to like about that? And what was in those empty Mug's???

[bordsmnj]

oh,ok i gues there was more...(slow frickin dail up system!)i like the scoop.that things gonna look bad ass. how fast yuh guessing she'll be?

[HBjet]

Actually, there was just ice and water in those mugs. Mikes boat is bad ass, and should be feared if you so decided to race that single carbed motor of his! I don't want to race him that's for sure!
HBjet

[bordsmnj]

got any of the guages and stuff?

[cyclone]

ok more pics...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45productshot-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45boatindriveway-med.JPG
here's Todd picking his nose, rubbing his gut and helping me drop the motor back into the boat.
and a rare photo of me wrenching. somehow i always seem to be the guy working the camera...
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45mewrenching-med.JPG

[cyclone]

randy gets the credit for installing the scoop!

[disco_charger]

Seems nice, but why would you want to put a hot motor in one of those crappy Rogers hulls? Who the hell ever heard of that. You need to get an Eliminator or something cool! :rolleyes: :D
I do think the Rogers club is definitely the coolest. I can think of three nice bubbles and a Super Cyclone. Mike, let me just come out and tell you right now, I'm not racing you. It'll just hurt my feelings to lose to a boat with a single carb!
[ May 11, 2003, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: disco_charger ]

[cyclone]

oh i dont plan on racing anyone this summer so you have nothing to worry about! wink Disco i heard that you were starting a Rogers gang..oops i mean club. lol

[Windy]

Hey McGyver,
I guess we wont be towing you then this year right.
Looks bitchen...cant wait to see it on the water memorial weekend.

[cyclone]

hey missy- no you wont have to tow me. i've eliminated all the extra washers from the hardware this year. lol

[Jake W]

Hey Mike what kind of billet wheel are you going to put on the Rogers?And are you getting this wheel through conections at work?I was going to put on mine but I do not want a big ass 14in one I was thinking a 13in instead.I was thinking about one of thoes BadBillet wheels made in Ok but they are a little more than the rest.Thanks Jake

[Raskal]

man that looks great .the red sets it off good job

[77charger]

looks like you are progressing pretty fast there.

[cyclone]

jake- the wheel is on and i'll have pics of it soon. mine wheelis a 14-incher rather than the 13- at first i thought it would look odd but the one on my last Rogers was 14 too and it still looked good.

[Infomaniac]

How about an update?
Impeller - RPM - Speed etc.

[cyclone]

ok an update. i spent a good portion of memorial weekend chasing down water leaks. I literally finished putting the boat together and headed out to parker friday night, arriving around midnight. Not my first choice for her first run but i figured what the hell. I dont have GPS numbers but she ran hard. All was well until the motor ate up the distributor gear. A quick check last night revealed that i forgot to put the bronze gear in when i switched from the hydraulic cam to the mechanical roller. Anyways, i'm putting a new carbon gear on the distributor tomorrow and pulling the pan to removed any metal shavings and then i may hit up lake elsinore this sunday. we'll see. I should have some next week though. i'll new pics of the boat tomorrow.

[cyclone]

infomaniac- the motor spins a stage II-plus MPD blueprinted bronze B impeller. The pump is a blueprinted berkeley JG with an MPD loader and shoe and a billet ride plate that riverdave and i machined.

[Bense468]

Nice mike. I would change the oil and filter at least twice, just to make sure. You would not want all that hard work to go to waste. What kind of Rpms were you spinning before the gear broke?
By the way the boat looks bitchen. You guys do nice work.

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

Lake smellsomemore sunday? I want to go. Do you have problems with open headers and spark aresstors? Do they check?

[HBjet]

CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE:
Lake smellsomemore sunday? I want to go. Do you have problems with open headers and spark aresstors? Do they check? I can bring my mufflers but all you need them!
I've ran there without and all I did was installed the bolt that holds the mufflers in, but I forgot the mufflers. As for the arrestor, just don't take off your scoop cover until you launch.
I'll be with Cyclone with the digital camera and video camera. If you want to come out and get some photos/video of your boat, then meet us there.
HBjet

[Hal]

Thats a good looking boat Mike. What time you thinking of being on the lake?

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

sounds good what ramp? What time?What size hole for the mufflers? Do they slip in and bolt to the headers? Does the water get real choppy?

[Blown 472]

cyclone:
infomaniac- the motor spins a stage II-plus MPD blueprinted bronze B impeller. The pump is a blueprinted berkeley JG with an MPD loader and shoe and a billet ride plate that riverdave and i machined. What rpm were you turning?

[cyclone]

Bense- thanks i did just that.
Hal-
Ok i got the new distributor gear in this morning and reset the timing. I'll be there by 8am on sunday at the Elsinore West launch ramp.
CP- i think you'll need a 5/16-inch hole in the collectors to run a bolt through for the mufflers.
Definately bring your mufflers if you have them. At 8am you might get on the lake without them if the launch ramp guy isn't working yet, but why chance it by not bringing them.
472-
We were spinning 5,00 rpm when the motor lunched the gear. I have yet to try and holeshot the boat or run wide open for more than a few seconds. Sunday will be the day for that though.

[Blown 472]

You trying one of those new carbon gear thangs??

[cyclone]

yeah the people at Comp says that it'll last longer than a bronze gear. Steve Brule says he's got a friend that's been running one for 1.5 seasons with zero problems so it looks promising.

[Bense468]

what Impellar are you running?

[cyclone]

a Legend bronze B-cut impeller that jack detailed.

[565edge]

cyclone:
a Legend bronze B-cut impeller that jack detailed. it seems a 745hp motor would turn a b- a little more rpm?

[cyclone]

yes i guess it would if i'd actually put my foot the floor. you should have seen the white caps we were driving through. This sunday will be the first time for me to run her wide open. Hope the water is flat!

[TRG]

hey mike, Juzzy and i are going to take a day run to get her out of the house on sat. but if i get back in town early enough to get in the water sun , i'll prob. show up around 9 or so!!

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

Hey HB how about these mufflers? I will show up for sure,Give me a call 909 949 8160 Marty

[Bahner18]

Oh so Beautiful, Nice choice in Gauges!!!

[Hal]

Whats up Scott? You going out Sunday?
[ May 29, 2003, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Hal ]

[Infomaniac]

Launch ramp guy?
I feel sorry for you folks out there. What would he say if I pulled up with my alcohol injected lake boat with zoomies? Me and everyone else with the same setup.
That crap would not last long out here. There are hundreds of lauch ramps. Unmanagable.
We are pissed that launch fees went up to 3.00 this year.

[Hal]

I launch at a friends property on the lake, Don't have to go thru that hassle. Makes it nice. :D By the way whos all going out Sunday?
This is where I get to launch.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/134New_boat_3_14_03_011-med.JPG
[ May 31, 2003, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Hal ]

[HBjet]

Info, the last time I was there, there was a guy running a tunnel with zoomies and he had muffs in them. Never seen that before.
HBjet

[dossangers]

HBjet:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE:
[qb] Lake smellsomemore sunday? I want to go. Do you have problems with open headers and spark aresstors? Do they check? I can bring my mufflers but all you need them!
I've ran there without and all I did was installed the bolt that holds the mufflers in, but I forgot the mufflers. As for the arrestor, just don't take off your scoop cover until you launch.
I'll be with Cyclone with the digital camera and video camera. If you want to come out and get some photos/video of your boat, then meet us there.
Well be there testing also dont have muffs take a chance? http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/524/167DSC00435-med.JPG

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

I take my chances every chance i get. If that is the last result i will try it with no mufflers, see what they say :confused:

[Raskal]

i should be out there in the am .good job on the boat cyclone looks good .
be good to meet some of you guys out there .so say hi if you see
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/158P5210167-med.JPG :D

[LVjetboy]

Nice jet Rascal!
jer

[Infomaniac]

HB jet - I ran harley drag pipe baffles in my small block with zoomies. It hurt my ears without them. Gas engines are a lot louder than alcohol.
These rewarders have baffles, never installed them. Needs several bolts per so they do not rip out.
Infomaniac Jr. helping me Wed night to get ready for Thursday. Had a blast.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/504/211Wednesday.jpg
Yes nice jet Rascal :p :p
[ May 31, 2003, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Infomaniac ]

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

Sorry to flake out on you boys but we are leaving for blythe :D right now :p . Talk about last minute eek! That is how all my trips.. WE BE DOWN FO DE RIVER. I owe you all a few cold ones next weekend. wink

[Hal]

See ya next time.. Have fun and be safe.. :)
[ June 01, 2003, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Hal ]

[bp]

cyclone, bring it to ming in june; you'll get some real nice water, and some timeslips... :cool:

[77charger]

bp:
cyclone, bring it to ming in june; you'll get some real nice water, and some timeslips... :cool: hey bob i think you are off on the schd.June is chowchilla the weekend of the 20th or around there. Ming is back in july though.We aint making the june race but july its on :)

[Oldsquirt]

77Charger, I think the original schedule had the June race at Chowchilla. The current schedule shows June race at Ming and July at Chowchilla.
http://www.njbaracing.net/schedule.htm
Read the note on left side dated 4/14/03.
[ June 01, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: OLDSQUIRT ]

[Hal]

Mike, Todd, Randy, Mike and Raskal it was good to see you guys today. Always nice to meet good people. :) :) :)

[HavasuBarney]

Come on now, I got a few extra $$ in my pocket and just wondering how the little red goddess ran on GPS today....
Let's not be selling (GPS)Gullible Post Syndrome though! :D

[MikeF]

Likewise Hal! Very nice boat you have there! Too bad we did not have the water to stretch thier legs a bit. Looking forward to getting on the water again and seeing what she can do :D .

[77charger]

OLDSQUIRT:
77Charger, I think the original schedule had the June race at Chowchilla. The current schedule shows June race at Ming and July at Chowchilla.
http://www.njbaracing.net/schedule.htm
Read the note on left side dated 4/14/03. thanks i was confused with the dates i thought chowchilla was in june and ming in july.I atill cant make the june race but i guess now i will make chowchilla

[dossangers]

It was cool meeting everybody our boat ran great for being in mothballs for so long. off to the river next weekend for the real test!! http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/167DSC00451-med.JPG http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/167palm_springs_017-med.jpg http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/167palm_springs_015-med.jpg http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/167DSC00449-med.JPG

[HBjet]

HavasuBarney:
Come on now, I got a few extra $$ in my pocket and just wondering how the little red goddess ran on GPS today....http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20smacka.jpg
HBjet

[HBjet]

dossangers, Raskal, and Hal, it was good to meet all of you and we have to do these lake trips again!
MikeF, Cyclone, Todd, and Wrightnow, it was cool hannging with you guys again! Next time we all need to be doing this at the river!
HBjet
[ June 02, 2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[Raskal]

yah it was good to meet all of you guys today.
anytime you guys go out to test or just day trip i'd be down to go .and hope to see you guys out at the river some time
:D

[wrightnow]

Hey, It was great meeting up with everyone today, wish we could have stayed longer.
Now my buddy is all fired up now to get his boat in shape after seeing the other two rogers, the fever has started.
Need to do this more often..

[HavasuBarney]

:D :D :D
I saw that picture right before I had to run to the store, I was LMAO all the way there and back! :D
Wacka Smacka, gotta love that! :)

[woodster]

Come on lets hear some #'s smile_sp

[565edge]

woodster:
Come on lets hear some #'s smile_sp Lets here the numbers,rpm and speed?What about that ultra in the picture,did they ever gps it?

[HBjet]

HavasuBarney:
Wacka Smacka, gotta love that! :) That was for you Barn!
HBjet :D

[HBjet]

here are some more photo's!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8855-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8856-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8859-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8864-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8866-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8875-med.JPG
HBjet

[MAXIMUS]

Enough pics...Any #'s... :confused:

[dossangers]

I havnt been to the green soup in years and we were there at 8 sharp and with all the WAKE BOARD BOATS going round and round it was ROUGH so i dont think anybody was going fast!!

[Blown 472]

excuses are like......

[77charger]

dossangers:
I havnt been to the green soup in years and we were there at 8 sharp and with all the WAKE BOARD BOATS going round and round it was ROUGH so i dont think anybody was going fast!! When we take the flattie(or any boat for speed runs) there we usually are launching by 7 am we will get a few good runs and by 8 it is either hit or miss with the crowds.

[565edge]

565edge:
woodster:
Come on lets hear some #'s smile_sp Lets here the numbers,rpm and speed?What about that ultra in the picture,did they ever gps it? still waiting?

[HBjet]

565edge:
565edge:
woodster:
Come on lets hear some #'s smile_sp Lets here the numbers,rpm and speed?What about that ultra in the picture,did they ever gps it? still waiting? We weren't with the Ultra, just talking to them. The boat ran good from what we saw, but no one could get a good run due to the ocean chop out there.
HBjet

[TRG]

hey guys, it was good time "bullshitn" with yas' we'll have to do it again sometime and oh hal,... that black beauty's sure's purdy!!! good to meet all you!

[dossangers]

565edge:
565edge:
woodster:
Come on lets hear some #'s smile_sp Lets here the numbers,rpm and speed?What about that ultra in the picture,did they ever gps it? still waiting? Ive raced that ultra at parker with my yellow hydro that boat probally runs 110mph its quick !!

[Hal]

Sorry I didn't mention it, Mike, Todd, Raskal and Mike? (Cyclone)You guys got great looking boats and you should be very proud of the hard work you put into them because it sure paid off. :D Randy I seen your boat on the forum and its a fine looking boat, Bet you can't wait to get that new "470" CI motor in it. :D We need to get together again.
That water was about the worst I've seen it for that early. Its usually not that bad till around 10 AM.
[ June 02, 2003, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: Hal ]

[Cs19]

go out to blythe and get some good water you can stand on it all day out there, oh wait nevermind fu@k blythe, (just messin around) you guys are probably dying by now not being able to run due to shit water conditions, thats sucks, probably good test time though to work the bugs out if there are any.later

[HBjet]

cs19:
probably good test time though to work the bugs out if there are any.Yeah, I'm working on the "Not having a motor" bug now, and I think I pretty much have it wrapped up!
HBjet

[Windy]

HBjet:
Yeah, I'm working on the "Not having a motor" bug now, and I think I pretty much have it wrapped up!
HBjet LMAO :D

[Cs19]

HB-i feel yah on the no motor situation. IT SUCKS! my boat is complete it just needs a motor and a grate and a few little things. HB i thought i saw your heads being assembled last week? is your motor next? --get this i have to suffer through watching my dads motor being dynoed tomorrow and Im so jealous! its a mild river race deal for his southwind tunnell but it should be nice.468 w/edelbrock alum heads-10.9:1 tunnell ram w/ 2 x 660 holleys-mpd pump i tried to get him to go to dne but he didnt listen, ill post pics and numbers-later

[HBjet]

cs19:
HB-i feel yah on the no motor situation. IT SUCKS! my boat is complete it just needs a motor and a grate and a few little things. HB i thought i saw your heads being assembled last week? is your motor next? --get this i have to suffer through watching my dads motor being dynoed tomorrow and Im so jealous! its a mild river race deal for his southwind tunnell but it should be nice.468 w/edelbrock alum heads-10.9:1 tunnell ram w/ 2 x 660 holleys-mpd pump i tried to get him to go to dne but he didnt listen, ill post pics and numbers-later Yeah, my heads are back and my cam finally got in. I think all we are waiting for are the pistons to come in. As for being next, I sure as hell hope so. I'm going to see what the dyno date is tomorrow. I know Dave is shooting for having it finished for OP6C. Are you guys going to that? I can arrange for you and your woman (and as many friends as she wants to bring) to get a ride in a boat from Havasu Springs to the location and back. Let me know or send me a PM or something.
HBjet

[novaguy]

HBJET,
My motor is being built by Dave also. I was down there last week and saw your setup. My cart is is next to yours. I can't wait to get my motor done and my boat back. It's been since October.....

[novaguy]

Wasn't that Ultra at Dave's shop last week?

[HBjet]

novaguy:
Wasn't that Ultra at Dave's shop last week? Yeah, Dave was out there with the owner. We just all stopped by to say Hi, and Dave looked up and saw 3 customers! He was busy so we didn't hangout too long.
I'll be by there tomorrow, so I'll take a look at your cart and see what you are doing!
HBjet

[LVjetboy]

Yea, sometimes I wonder, was it a big mistake to post DNE stuff BEFORE my engine was done? Word travels fast on the net. Seems like Dave's real busy these days.
jer

[Cs19]

yeah i saw that boat at dne last tuesday. hb- i may make it to the opc deal, maybe i can steal the southwind for the weekend or hitch a ride with one of you guys. i will make the one in laughlin for sure. later

[cyclone]

well i finally got moment free to check out the thread again. I wasn't able to get numbers at Elsinore because the water was so crappy. I even put on the Lifeline jacket and tried to stand on it for a bit but the water was so choppy that i couldnt keep the pump loaded for more than a few seconds. I'm bummed that i'll have to keep waiting for clean water to see what she's really capable of. So far all i know is she launches hard and pulls even harder. I'll keep you guys posted. i'm hoping to get back to the lake one day next week. By the way it was great meeting you guys out there. You all have super clean boats.

[novaguy]

When I stopped by last week, that Ultra's motor was in Dave's engine room. Glad it's in the water now and hope my motor gets done soon. I'm waiting on Froggy to finish rigging my boat and my interior is being done at D&S El Cajon. After all this, I hope no one decides to steal my boat again.

[Cs19]

novaguy, what are you having built? or is it secret like everyone else? :rolleyes: :D

[novaguy]

It's a 540 CI motor with about 700 horsepower...nothing too crazy. If you are looking for specs, I have no clue, that's what I pay my engine builder for.

[565edge]

Hey cyclone did you gps it yet?

[Infomaniac]

novaguy:
It's a 540 CI motor with about 700 horsepower...nothing too crazy. If you are looking for specs, I have no clue, that's what I pay my engine builder for. My kind of customer wink

[565edge]

Infomaniac:
How about an update?
Impeller - RPM - Speed etc. Still waiting :D

[Danhercules]

565edge:
Infomaniac:
How about an update?
Impeller - RPM - Speed etc. Still waiting :D I wanna see number too!!!!! Hell, I will pay for the gas!!!!!

[HBjet]

565edge:
Infomaniac:
How about an update?
Impeller - RPM - Speed etc. Still waiting :D Did you not read that the water conditions where very bad, which, in theory would prevent getting a number?
Well, the water conditions where very bad, so we couldn't run the boat out like we wanted to.
HBjet :D

[novaguy]

I'll be by there tomorrow, so I'll take a look at your cart and see what you are doing!
HBJET,
Did you get a chance to go by Dave's and see my motor?

[565edge]

cyclone:
yes i guess it would if i'd actually put my foot the floor. you should have seen the white caps we were driving through. This sunday will be the first time for me to run her wide open. Hope the water is flat! Hmm,Two trips out and no numbers?Thought you guys were taking it out this weekend too?I'm not buying it! :o :o :rolleyes:

[HBjet]

First trip, Memorial Weekend at Parker
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/510/25P1010022-med.JPG
Then Lake Elsinore where even this boat had trouble getting some good runs due to the chop
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8856-med.JPG
HBjet

[565edge]

That ultra still having problems getting good runs?What happened to the motor heard it was at dne?I thought you guys were taking it out this past weekend again?Not trying to stir the pot but curios how it ran?

[HBjet]

565edge:
That ultra still having problems getting good runs?What happened to the motor heard it was at dne?I thought you guys were taking it out this past weekend again?Not trying to stir the pot but curios how it ran? That Ultra's motor was at DNE, and the main reason it took so long to get back together was the customer ran out of money. So it sat until he had more money to finish the job. As for not getting good runs, the water was the main factor. I know in that photo it looks nice and smooth, but it wasn't. The Ultra was dialed in as much as the customer wanted to pay to have it dialed in. I think you know what I'm saying!
Novaguy, I looked for your cart, but I didn't know what one was yours. I should be by there tomorrow, or the next day. If all goes as planned, my motor should be on the dyno on 6/18. Just in time for OP6C.
HBjet :)

[HBjet]

565, we didn't plan on going to Elsinore this last weekend, Cyclone was out of town!
Maybe this weekend though!
HBjet

[LVjetboy]

Numbers, numbers, why you jet guys always talking numbers?
:)
jer

[Blown 472]

Water looks smooth enough, funny thing bout a jet you can get to max rpm in about 100 feet, should have enough water for that. :rolleyes:

[HavasuDreamin']

CS19:
I have been following your project. What is going in it for power?
Cyclone.......looking good.
HBJet.......post some pictures when your rig is all done.
HD :cool:

[Cs19]

havasu i have not got my engine package figured out yet. hopefully it will be something pretty healthy. i do know dne is going to do my motor. it will probably be a .030 over 454 gm block w/ 4.250 stroke,ported dart heads and dart tunnel ram w/2 tricked 850s and msd hopefully we can get away with a pump gas compression ratio. Dave really has the pump gas motors running well, so we will see.

[cyclone]

Danhercules:
565edge:
Infomaniac:
How about an update?
Impeller - RPM - Speed etc. Still waiting :D I wanna see number too!!!!! Hell, I will pay for the gas!!!!! Pump gas is real cheap in my neck of the woods so I think i can afford to gas my boat up. I was in Vegas for four days last week so i didn't get a chance to run the boat. I'll be in town this weekend and am planning on running elsinore real early in the morning. Maybe if i get there at like 6am the water will be flat enough to run wide open?

[77charger]

Hey cyclone when we take the flat there we go early sometimes at 6 am but usually no later than 7am we can get some good runs in for about 1/2 hour(depends on the weather too)hot more people cold less.But by 8 its hit or miss

[565edge]

Cyclone i noticed your coil that you use and was wondering how it works with your ignition system,are you using a msd 6 or 7 series box?I want to use that type of coil but jegs and summit show it being used only with a 7 series box,I run a digital 6 box and was just wondering if it would work alright or not?

[Eric455]

how is it that you guys cant get any # posted the water at elsinor looked fine to me? we cant wait to see what that motor did! come on already
eric

[Hal]

The only pictures that have been posted here were down at the south end of the lake in the no wake zone or 35 mph zone. The speed zone was rollers and white caps. :D

[Johnwithjm]

Hey 565 Edge is your boat all together now? What did it run? And what is the motor now?

[77charger]

Eric455:
how is it that you guys cant get any # posted the water at elsinor looked fine to me? we cant wait to see what that motor did! come on already
eric when you are running fast you want glass any chop can send you swimming.When i run the flat there a small roller coming sideways can scare me also you can come up on rough stuff or unexpected roller real fast at speed

[565edge]

Johnwithjm:
Hey 565 Edge is your boat all together now? What did it run? And what is the motor now? John,I moved the motor forward to 30 inch off transom,Im going to buy jetaway hopefully next week and get driveline made,the motor is still a 15:1 565 with the dart 355 cnc heads,the motor turns a b/c stainless 7300rpm,I think with some tuning i should beable to turn 7500rpm.I've been thrown off the lake before i could run it out on some good water with the gps,the times i have run it out i didnt have a gps with me,But it is fast enough to blow bikini tops off?Wish i could of got that on tape?I guess papp is delivering my buddies deckboat tomorrow.Might see you at the drags next weekend.

[Johnwithjm]

565edge:
Johnwithjm:
Hey 565 Edge is your boat all together now? What did it run? And what is the motor now? John,I moved the motor forward to 30 inch off transom,Im going to buy jetaway hopefully next week and get driveline made,the motor is still a 15:1 565 with the dart 355 cnc heads,the motor turns a b/c stainless 7300rpm,I think with some tuning i should beable to turn 7500rpm.I've been thrown off the lake before i could run it out on some good water with the gps,the times i have run it out i didnt have a gps with me,But it is fast enough to blow bikini tops off?Wish i could of got that on tape?I guess papp is delivering my buddies deckboat tomorrow.Might see you at the drags next weekend. Sounds like that thing is gonna be a fast boat. I have been watching the progress on your buddys boat and it came out very nice. I think they took it out to water test it last night. If I can sneak away I might be at Ming to check out the races for a day but I dought it work has been a killer lately

[Eric455]

77charger:
Eric455:
how is it that you guys cant get any # posted the water at elsinor looked fine to me? we cant wait to see what that motor did! come on already
eric when you are running fast you want glass any chop can send you swimming.When i run the flat there a small roller coming sideways can scare me also you can come up on rough stuff or unexpected roller real fast at speed i know this whole theory. but the water looked just fine in the picture with the "blown pickle" maybe their getting slow speeds and dont want to post just yet? lol...
[ June 11, 2003, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: Eric455 ]

[TRG]

all i know is, i was playin' leap frog that morn. @ elsinore.it seems to be getting alot more dificult to find clean water in the morning anywere anymore!!!!!! thinking of selling the rogers and buying an outboard with some tackle.
Do any of you think i might be able to get any info on how to make an outboard fishin' boat real, real fast? wink

[victorfb]

yea.... tie the anchor rope to the outboard, and install a jet pump.
just funnin ya outboard guys.... sheeeeeesh

[HBjet]

Eric455:
77charger:
Eric455:
how is it that you guys cant get any # posted the water at elsinor looked fine to me? we cant wait to see what that motor did! come on already
eric when you are running fast you want glass any chop can send you swimming.When i run the flat there a small roller coming sideways can scare me also you can come up on rough stuff or unexpected roller real fast at speed i know this whole theory. but the water looked just fine in the picture with the "blown pickle" maybe their getting slow speeds and dont want to post just yet? lol... Or when you have a slow boat, the type of chop in that photo wouldn't be a problem!
HBjet :D

[Eric455]

HBjet:
Eric455:
77charger:
Eric455:
how is it that you guys cant get any # posted the water at elsinor looked fine to me? we cant wait to see what that motor did! come on already
eric when you are running fast you want glass any chop can send you swimming.When i run the flat there a small roller coming sideways can scare me also you can come up on rough stuff or unexpected roller real fast at speed i know this whole theory. but the water looked just fine in the picture with the "blown pickle" maybe their getting slow speeds and dont want to post just yet? lol... Or when you have a slow boat, the type of chop in that photo wouldn't be a problem!
HBjet :D lol i like that HB, come on already get us #'s bro. hey when you guys gonna get to OP6C. where ya stayin
eric

[cyclone]

77charger- i'm planning on getting there at 6am. Now if Riverdave will just return my GPS antenna.........Are you listening Dave?
565edge- I'm running the HVC coil with a 6BTM spark box and it works perfectly. My plugs look better than any i've ever had in any of my motors.
eric455- if you want to go for a ride at OP6 i will oblige. I guarantee that you wont need gps numbers then to know my boat moves along pretty well. Bring a good lifevest ok?

[Blown 472]

eric455- if you want to go for a ride at OP6 i will oblige. I guarantee that you wont need gps numbers then to know my boat moves along pretty well. Bring a good lifevest ok? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Thought you could not open it up?? sounds like bs to me, but then what do I know??

[Windy]

Blown 472:
Thought you could not open it up?? sounds like bs to me, but then what do I know?? He got on it...it pulls hard...was unable to run long enough to get numbers due to the chop...NO BS.

[Blown 472]

MissHBjet:
Blown 472:
Thought you could not open it up?? sounds like bs to me, but then what do I know?? He got on it...it pulls hard...was unable to run long enough to get numbers due to the chop...NO BS. Tach no workie???

[Eric455]

no need for a life vest. it wont be my 1st time going over 70. lol sure i'll take that ride. i think we'll have good water @ the river.
see ya their eric

[cyclone]

sorry eric. no vest=no speed runs.
Blown 472- tach works fine....

[cyclone]

"Thought you could not open it up?? sounds like bs to me, but then what do I know??"
ya what do you know?
the water was crappy at elsinore and parker. how hard is that to understand? but i guess you never have that problem and just run wide open in a newly rigged, untested boat, no matter what the water conditions are like. you're a better man than i.

[MAXIMUS]

Cyclone good luck with testing & remember to be safe! :) Blown472 you are not being very nice!

[Danhercules]

victorfb:
yea.... tie the anchor rope to the outboard, and install a jet pump.
just funnin ya outboard guys.... sheeeeeesh Tie a anchor rope to it??? Sounds like what your suppost to do to an Olds. Ya know a BOAT ANCHOR!!!!!
Use the outboard to trim your lawn

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
but then what do I know?? Your a Ford guy right? I rest my case :D
HBjet

[HavasuBarney]

toddnjuzz:
all i know is, i was playin' leap frog that morn. @ elsinore.it seems to be getting alot more dificult to find clean water in the morning anywere anymore!!!!!! thinking of selling the rogers and buying an outboard with some tackle.
Do any of you think i might be able to get any info on how to make an outboard fishin' boat real, real fast? wink You da man Todd! Just remember, pimp fishin aint easy! :D
There aint EVER any water that I gets to skeered in! Run that damn Car Bote Cyclone! :D :D

[Eric455]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
but then what do I know?? Your a Ford guy right? I rest my case :D
HBjet dude he's a hemi guy. blown, i think that was an insault. uhh maybe not... eek!
eric
[ June 12, 2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Eric455 ]

[Hal]

The Lake was sure nice this evening... :)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/134100-0001_IMG-med.JPG

[565edge]

Hal,how does your daytona run?

[HBjet]

Hal:
The Lake was sure nice this evening... :)
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/134100-0001_IMG-med.JPG That does look nice!
HBjet

[bordsmnj]

yesterday was decent until 3pm-ish
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/349liarsclub3.jpg

[Blown 472]

cyclone:
"Thought you could not open it up?? sounds like bs to me, but then what do I know??"
ya what do you know?
the water was crappy at elsinore and parker. how hard is that to understand? but i guess you never have that problem and just run wide open in a newly rigged, untested boat, no matter what the water conditions are like. you're a better man than i. If it pulls hard how would you know??? you did not stab the throttle once?? humm untested?? motor should have been broken in on the dyno and yet you have no tach numbers, you idled around all day?? funny thing is my boat is at full rpm even before the boat is broke over and you did not do that at all??
I am not busting your balls just seems kinda odd, perhaps the magic dyno numbers dont match your tach?? if not no biggie anit no one going to poke fun at you for it. :D

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
but then what do I know?? Your a Ford guy right? I rest my case :D
HBjet yup.

[Blown 472]

MAXIMUS:
Cyclone good luck with testing & remember to be safe! :) Blown472 you are not being very nice! Who is not being nice?? I am just asking. I did not come on line talking about big dyno numbers. :confused:

[Infomaniac]

cyclone:
just run wide open in a newly rigged, untested boat, We just did it right here (http://marineassault.net/sample.mpg)

[HBjet]

Blown, Cyclones boat pulls hard enough you never have to open it up full throttle. The only reason the boat hasn't been able to get a good run is because of one reason. Water Conditions. Not that it needs to be babied, or whatever you want to say. So just relax a little. Cyclone plans on testing this Sunday. Jeez!
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown, Cyclones boat pulls hard enough you never have to open it up full throttle. The only reason the boat hasn't been able to get a good run is because of one reason. Water Conditions. Not that it needs to be babied, or whatever you want to say. So just relax a little. Cyclone plans on testing this Sunday. Jeez!
HBjet sorry too much caffine this morning.

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
If it pulls hard how would you know??? you did not stab the throttle once??Do you have to be at WOT to know if a boat (or car) pulls hard? Maybe in a FORD
Blown 472:
humm untested?? motor should have been broken in on the dyno and yet you have no tach numbers, you idled around all day??If you read, he says untested BOAT. The motor is just fine. It's the ride plate and intake setup that needs to be dialed in.
Blown 472:
funny thing is my boat is at full rpm even before the boat is broke over and you did not do that at all??Again, boats with ALOT of power don't need to be at full throttle to roll over on plain in a second or so.
Blown 472:
I am not busting your balls just seems kinda odd, perhaps the magic dyno numbers dont match your tach?? if not no biggie anit no one going to poke fun at you for it. :D I just want to say I'm proud of you Blown! It's been a while since we saw a post from you with more then one sentence!
HBjet :D

[Blown 472]

Blown 472:
I am not busting your balls just seems kinda odd, perhaps the magic dyno numbers dont match your tach?? if not no biggie anit no one going to poke fun at you for it. :D I just want to say I'm proud of you Blown! It's been a while since we saw a post from you with more then one sentence!
HBjet :D [/qb][/QUOTE]
Now that is funny, maybe I should front some big numbers and then have a ton of reasons why I dont put them up. Funny I am making well over 550 hp on my poor ol ford and I can get to full throttle pretty damn quick. I guess I dont know what I am talking about having owned this jet boat for more that 8 years. Perhaps I need to be edjumacated.
[ June 13, 2003, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: Blown 472 ]

[cyclone]

"Who is not being nice?? I am just asking. I did not come on line talking about big dyno numbers."
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45IMG_0257-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45IMG_0256-med.JPG
is that enough talk for you blown472?

[Blown 472]

And this tells me what?? Never mind you are missing the point all together. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[78Eliminator]

Blown 472:
And this tells me what?? Never mind you are missing the point all together. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Blown, you know that you're my nigga, but I am missing the point too. Are you asking the boy what the boat redlines at in the boat attached to the pump? or are you asking about some GPS numbers? I can understand that cyclone would not want to stand on it the first few times out because he just dumped so much money into it and maybe the water conditions. I am the type of guy (and I bet you are too) that will take it out and beat ths shit out of it like a red haired step child all day long the first day, but that's just not everyone's style.....

[cyclone]

blown472- since you're so bent on knowing how my boat runs why dont you just come out to Elsinore on sunday?

[78Eliminator]

cyclone:
blown472- since you're so bent on knowing how my boat runs why dont you just come out to Elsinore on sunday? He lives in the midwest.....

[cyclone]

well i guess that makes it easy for him to talk shit then. gotta love the internet. lol

[78Eliminator]

cyclone:
well i guess that makes it easy for him to talk shit then. gotta love the internet. lol but he will be at op6...

[Blown 472]

cyclone:
well i guess that makes it easy for him to talk shit then. gotta love the internet. lol Your right I am talking shit, you post numbers on some almost 800 hp motor that "pulls realy hard" but yet you cant see to remember what the tach says, funny thing bout jets is they will go to full rpm as fast as you can mash the gas.
So let me get this right, you put your boat in, idled around all day and never once stood on it to see how the holeshot was?? so how would you know you are having shoe and ride plate issues?? You see my friend you are the one talking shit as you have talked your way around in a big ol circle dancing around the topic at hand.
I never questioned your engine building, you post some dyno sheet to me means jack shit, but yet with your mpd preped b cut bronze imp you cant seem to post tach numbers, speed numbers dont me shit to me either as everboat is diff and the numbers will be diff. :D

[OMEGA_BUBBLE_JET]

Power to the FORD'S!!!!!

[Infomaniac]

Most people do not trust dyno sheets.
They have been abused too many times by engine builders trying to one up each other. I operated dynos for a number of years. When computer data was incorporated, the numbers are easily fudged.
Also abused by the dyno people themselves generating 650.00 per day business. If you send too many people away dissapointed in their dyno numbers, it is not good for business.
When someone makes a claim of extraordinary power from their engine it is easily backed up when put in a jet boat. The impeller, RPM, Speed etc, has over the years been calculated to HP and is very accurate.
On my last project I expected lower than other engine builder's claims of HP on the dyno. My proof would be how fast the boat went. Sure is strange an engine with that much less power went faster than theirs.
To sum it up, folks are waiting on the in the boat performance numbers to back up the dyno numbers. No need to get impatient on anyone's part.

[disco_charger]

I can't believe I'm getting into this post again, but Cyclone is driving a Rogers. So, from my own experience, I will add to this little roundy round. The Rogers is a hull that get's up on the water rather quickly. It rides reasonably well in the rough, especially for a little boat, but it is still pretty picky about water when you mash on the throttle. There is not a lot of wetted surface on a Rogers. I have an 80+MPH Rogers. Not as fast as Cyclones. I wouldn't get wide open with mine at Parker either, and I bet I have more boat in the water than Mike. So for those of you playing along at home, think about the opening sequence from the old TV show "Victory At Sea". That's what the water conditions at Parker usually look like to a jet boater. Elsinore is often worse.
I don't know much about Cyclone's financial situation, but if he's anything like me, he doesn't have a spare 50K lying around. He just put a fair amount of money into his boat, and he and his friends have a bunch of time in it. I'm guessing he probably wakes up a couple of times a week thinking about catching a roller wrong, wide open, and kissing a really cool boat goodbye. Not a cool thought for us poor folk.

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
Your right I am talking shit, you post numbers on some almost 800 hp motorGotta love this part! 800hp? WOW, I just remember something like 740hp.
Blown 472:
funny thing bout jets is they will go to full rpm as fast as you can mash the gas.Another funny thing about jets is you don't need to mash the gas, or open it up WOT to get on plain hard. That is unless your boat doesn't have a lot of power.
Blown 472:
So let me get this right, you put your boat in, idled around all day and never once stood on it to see how the holeshot was?? .You know Blown, I got to drive Cyclones boat, and I never once pushed it to WOT. I can tell you though is sure did launch harder then my old motor did on my Eliminator. So why is it so hard to believe that you can launch a boat pretty hard out of the hole, but still not hit WOT? I don't understand that!
Blown 472:
so how would you know you are having shoe and ride plate issues?? Issues? I would hardly call it issues since there isn't any basis to work off of. That's why I said dialing them in. Issues is something you have, when you have tried every setup you can think of, and it's still not right working.
Blown 472:
You see my friend you are the one talking shit as you have talked your way around in a big ol circle dancing around the topic at hand.
I never questioned your engine building, you post some dyno sheet to me means jack shit, but yet with your mpd preped b cut bronze imp you cant seem to post tach numbers, speed numbers dont me shit to me either as everboat is diff and the numbers will be diff. :D You know, where is all of this anger comming from? Did Cyclone promise you something? Damn, the guy has only had the boat out twice. Both times in less then perfect water. So why don't you relax just a little because your sounding like a little baby over there!
HBjet :)

[Blown 472]

You know for a guy who has no idea how to build a motor let alone tune one you sure know what you are talking about.
Acting like a baby, nope. Just wondering.
So run along and read your hot rod magazine and grab your check book and run to get the parts that will help you rule the horsepower world.
Never said my boat was fast, and I have tried all the set ups?? a shoe and ride plate, hummm I have run the gamet of combos.

[burning cole]

CYCLONE, I have read most of the posts and I am not a boat guru but that boat looks awesome and I would fear you on the water. I would appreciate it if you would PM me and let me know how much money you put into and if it was worth it. I have an 1988 18ft Cole T-Deck that I am looking to put some money into for special occasions. We just bought a 22 Schiada V-Drvie that we are going to be using instead of the Cole. The Schidad is used to ski and wakeboard and pretty much run up and down the river. But the Cole I am looking to put some serious money into and just use it when me and the lady want to run hard when it is glassy. We have this option because we bought a house at the river this year and have a nice garage to store it in. I was looking at $10,000 to $15,000 in the motor with another $10,000-$12,000 in Gel coat????? I am not sure what things cost when you re-new a boat. Thanks for all your help in advance.
Thanks,
Buring Cole

[burning cole]

CYCLONE, I have read most of the posts and I am not a boat guru but that boat looks awesome and I would fear you on the water. I would appreciate it if you would PM me and let me know how much money you put into and if it was worth it. I have an 1988 18ft Cole T-Deck that I am looking to put some money into for special occasions. We just bought a 22 Schiada V-Drvie that we are going to be using instead of the Cole. The Schidad is used to ski and wakeboard and pretty much run up and down the river. But the Cole I am looking to put some serious money into and just use it when me and the lady want to run hard when it is glassy. We have this option because we bought a house at the river this year and have a nice garage to store it in. I was looking at $10,000 to $15,000 in the motor with another $10,000-$12,000 in Gel coat????? I am not sure what things cost when you re-new a boat. Thanks for all your help in advance.
Thanks,
Buring Cole

[burning cole]

CYCLONE, I have read most of the posts and I am not a boat guru but that boat looks awesome and I would fear you on the water. I would appreciate it if you would PM me and let me know how much money you put into and if it was worth it. I have an 1988 18ft Cole T-Deck that I am looking to put some money into for special occasions. We just bought a 22 Schiada V-Drvie that we are going to be using instead of the Cole. The Schidad is used to ski and wakeboard and pretty much run up and down the river. But the Cole I am looking to put some serious money into and just use it when me and the lady want to run hard when it is glassy. We have this option because we bought a house at the river this year and have a nice garage to store it in. I was looking at $10,000 to $15,000 in the motor with another $10,000-$12,000 in Gel coat????? I am not sure what things cost when you re-new a boat. Thanks for all your help in advance.
Thanks,
Buring Cole

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
You know for a guy who has no idea how to build a motor let alone tune one you sure know what you are talking about.
Acting like a baby, nope. Just wondering.
So run along and read your hot rod magazine and grab your check book and run to get the parts that will help you rule the horsepower world.
Never said my boat was fast, and I have tried all the set ups?? a shoe and ride plate, hummm I have run the gamet of combos. Just wondering and calling someone a shit talker are AGAIN completely different! Your being a dick Blown and I have no idea why. As for as me having no idea how to build or tune a motor, well you don't even know me, so I find that funny. What's even funnier is according to YOU, you need to be an engine builder to know if you need to be at WOT to get on plain or not!
Yeah, I did grab my check book to buy parts for my new motor. What other way is there? MFG them in my garage?
I know you never said your boat was fast, and I never said it wasn't. But when you have 500hp, maybe, just maybe you need to give it more throttle, or even WOT to have it launch hard, verses 740hp.... I'm not an engine builder, but basic theory would tell me you wouldn't need as much throttle to make the greater HP motor launch as hard as the lesser HP motor..... but I could be wrong, and your still using a FORD!
HBjet

[565edge]

I just dont understand how cyclones motor makes that much power when shafiroff sells this dyno motor http://www.shafiroff.com/540_675_engine.asp

[miller19j]

HBjet:
[QUOTE]Yeah, I did grab my check book to buy parts for my new motor. What other way is there? MFG them in my garage?
HBjet I usually use my Credit Card I like the miles and I can swipe it faster than you can write a check. You want to race? :D wink
Miller(Just being a smart ass)19j

[565edge]

Heres another http://www.rehermorrison.com/superSeries/index.htm

[LVjetboy]

Blown, your latest post sounds as cheezy as the dude in your avatar. Here I thought I was the only one hung up on numbers :)
jer

[565edge]

I dont see how you gain 250hp by changing heads and cam,going from a 502/502 to 502/745?It will take alot more comp and alot bigger cam to do that,what ya think info? :) ,but you do have a good combo cyclone dont get me wrong.

[565edge]

Hey lv,did you get you motor back?What are you building anyways.

[LVjetboy]

I'm not tellin'
:)
j/k. It's a pump gas 540 that should dyno 800 at the bogus :) Westech dyno...maybe first week in July? I'll post the sheets too so we can all learn.
jer

[565edge]

LVjetboy:
I'm not tellin'
:)
j/k. It's a pump gas 540 that should dyno 800 at the bogus :) Westech dyno...maybe first week in July? I'll post the sheets too so we can all learn.
jer How much comp,what heads?

[LVjetboy]

Profiler with about 10:1.
Not sure Cyclone's rpm's before, but here's my guess for Cyclone's new speed and rpm's:
95 mph @ 6000 rpm
At that speed, I'm thinking a roller would be a bad thing.
jer

[565edge]

I got 5 bucks it goes 88mph.Mid to high 80's,but we will wait and see,I want the pic of the gps,pic of tach,pic of boat in the water pic of highest speed erased in boat,pic of new speed in boat and a pic of the gps getting re-calibrated,no tin foil in boat to get in-accurate readings, :D :D :D ,J/K.

[hack job]

HBjet
[ and your still using a FORD!
HBjet [/QB]you should watch your mouth. i know of about four fords that will run very hard and name has nothing to do with how you motor works . so now who dose not know what there talking about.
to shit talk some thing blindly is stupid.
as for when cyclone gets around to gpsing HIS boat is up to HIM so let it die already. its dumb to drive balls out when you cant control the boat ( due to water condition)
good luck this weekend cyclone! wink

[HBjet]

hack job:
i know of about four fords that will run very hard and name has nothing to do with how you motor works .Well, I know 8 Chevys that will..... :D :D :D
I didn't mean to knock you there, just giving Blown some shit!
HBjet :)
[ June 13, 2003, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[HBjet]

565edge:
I got 5 bucks it goes 88mph.Mid to high 80's,but we will wait and see,I want the pic of the gps,pic of tach,pic of boat in the water pic of highest speed erased in boat,pic of new speed in boat and a pic of the gps getting re-calibrated,no tin foil in boat to get in-accurate readings, :D :D :D ,J/K. Now that is funny!
HBjet

[LVjetboy]

Hack job,
I'm with you on the be careful thing. As I posted before, hoping Cyclone waits for perfect conditions before trying those big numbers.
As far as names having nothing to do with it?
I'm thinking names do. A lot of engine builders claim big numbers. Some builders build big numbers to run a 1/4 mile at a time. Occasionally you'll find the true "perfectionist" who knows how to make those big numbers run AND last longer. But every engine builder with a rep isn't a perfectionist. And quality varies with both builder and experience...and how much time they spend with each build. So the name follows...
Anyone can throw an engine together with big hp but short life...it takes a true perfectionist with experience to do it right and make it last.
Not saying my engine builder is one or the other. Just saying these principles ring true.
Oops, just reread your post. Engine mfg. name not builder? In that case, never mind :) Although Olds does seem to have a stigma.
jer
[ June 13, 2003, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

[Badboat1]

First Off I'am not here to piss no one off.But after 20 years of seeing dyno sheets and running a dyno for years,I do know alot and have seen inflated #'s all the time.I can do that also if thats what you want to see.Give false #'s and guess what car or boat it will not run like it should.As I seen your dyno sheets Cyclone very good but you did not show the top half of the sheet what rate was that at 300 rpm per sec,600rpm per sec.You can make a steady state and be up 20hp but that is a correct figure at that rpm you do it at.You are not on as we call it a ramp and the engine is not having to pull all the way there.Had a xxxx and another xxxx engine straight off the other shops dyno and 200 hp down on one and the other 100 hp down and never in the car or boat.But they did make what they should make. Sorry H.B.your my bud but this is a fact. 1.346 hp per cid is good for a carb mo on pump gas
BB1

[roostwear]

I can only hope my Advantage (Rogers bubble deck) performs half as well as Cyclone's. I have to hand it to him.... after hearing about what he put into it labor-wise, it's a hell of an accomplishment regardless of the drive.

[Badboat1]

Roostwear, I'am sorry to Cyclone I forgot to add the boat is Tits up lookin great.
BB1

[LVjetboy]

Bad Boat,
Could you explain your post further? What part of the numbers are left out? Is there something more than corrected vs actual hp? I don't understand your rate point or how that follows to an STP corrected hp number. Also, from your experience, if you wanted to inflate dyno numbers, how exactly would you do that? I've heard of some ways, but would like to get your thoughts.
Thanks,
jer
[ June 13, 2003, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

[Badboat1]

Lv Jet you have a pm
BB1

[LVjetboy]

Well, ok, let me figure out the pm thing...

[Infomaniac]

Bad Boat 1 has been running modern dyno's for a number of years. Recently went out on his own after working for one of the most respected drag race engine builders there is.
He is my friend and knows what he is talking about.
It is sad that the dyno has turned into a marketing tool. And used in the same misleading manner as other marketing methods. Especially in other parts of the country.
Those dyno numbers posted before from RM and Shafiroff were more like it. Notice what part of the country they are in?
A 900 HP engine built out this way is a 1,100 1,200 engine in other parts of the country
Once you get that crap started there is no turning back.
We pushed Well Done's boat 120 MPH plus on 970 HP. Find a 120 MPH plus boat at Havasu and ask them how much HP they have.
[ June 13, 2003, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Infomaniac ]

[77charger]

all this talk of dynos is getting crazy no wonder why our engine builder doesnt use one he says his dyno is one the track thats what counts. :)
I am sure cyclones boat will pull some good numbers( i hope hes happy with whatever he seems to have put alot of time and effort) and do understand that perfect water is a MUST.SOME HERE DONT!
I went from a 71mph jet t0 a 100+ flat(dont believe it go to ming to see or njba.net for numbers) and also use elsinore to test(and use a lifeline and helmet)+ a chase boat.and to be honest if you have 4-5 other boats just doing laps or waterskiing the high speed zone is out of the question.For some reason all the rough water will be there.

[Bense468]

This is really funny.
I am just curious what RPM's it is turning with a B impellar. Just slap the throttle in it while in the water and see what it climbs to. You don't need to do speed runs to get max RPM. Well funny numbers or not you got a nice boat Mike. I would be proud at 70 or 90. Its a lot of work to do all of that.
here is some stuff on the V-drive side about Mikes boat. http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=002845
[ June 14, 2003, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[565edge]

I think you guys need to come out to naciemento for a weekend of holding it wide the f open!You will see lots of good water in the morning and alot of good water at evening.My advantage bubble deck ran better through some chop than glass?
[ June 13, 2003, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: 565edge ]

[40oz'nHO's]

565edge:
I think you guys need to come out to naciemento for a weekend of holding it wide the f open!You will see lots of good water in the morning and alot of good water at evening.My advantage bubble deck ran better through some chop than glass? Did'nt I smoke that piece of shit jetboat of yours with my wetbike 650?

[TRG]

Ive got to hand it to you people,...you really know how to "****" a good thing up! I'm pretty much ashamed to be a member of this "BULLSHIT"!
all haters!!!
im a "HATER HATER"!!and proud of it!

[Raskal]

toddnjuzz:
Ive got to hand it to you people,...you really know how to "****" a good thing up! I'm pretty much ashamed to be a member of this "BULLSHIT"!
all haters!!!
im a "HATER HATER"!!and proud of it! i hear yah man
dam let the man have fun with his boat and stop all the argue

[TRG]

Hey Raskal, do you remember when you were a kid, and your pop and the guys were hangin in the garage, and you may have said something stupid or out of line and good ol' pop reached back and "BIIAAAATCH" slapped the shit out of you, and said those famous words " DONT SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TOO"! well,... some people will never learn!
I really dont think that cyclone really gives two shitz what a guy from the midwest or were ever these people are from has to say about #s
once again im out! "HATER HATER" yuk

[TRG]

or maybe it was just my childhood !

[Bense468]

Todd its pretty simple. If you don't want everyone to know, then why are you on here posting things. Its a public forum and this shit has been going on for years. They knew what they were getting into when they posted the build and the numbers. I don't know if you read the whole (DNE Marty Stretch Deal). After posting numbers like that people want to know how the thing ran. I am not hating because I think the boat looks nice regardless, but I have to say that when you come on and post numbers like 740 horsepower out of a 502 and pretty much say you changed heads, cam, valve train with a low compression setup and factory bottom end, it gets people thinking a little. Those are very impressive numbers but it makes you wonder a little. Thats all. Pumps are like dynos so RPM will pretty much tell if the boat is close to that 740 hp figure. By the way nice job on the Gell.
[ June 14, 2003, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[Raskal]

hay todd you going with him sunday .i might go out again just to watch and get out on the water even if it is pea soup green .

[MAXIMUS]

So what kind of hp would it take to spin jacks pump with a stainless A to 6400 rpm??? :confused:

[roostwear]

I think it's well understood by EVERYONE here that dyno #'s are "flexible" and the only true test is to drop it in and run it. If anyone here thinks he Photochopped the sheet, say so. Otherwise, realize HE didn't run the dyno and do what we do best here.... take it with a grain of salt and wait for the RPM from a run.
Todd, I'll be around Sunday if you want to stop by on the way back from Elsinore.
All you Rogers freaks need to start posting on the Roger's forum (http://roostwear.com/cgi-bin/plugins/BBS/roostboard_ubb/Ultimate.cgi?) , or I'll change it to Bayliner!

[LVjetboy]

Maximus, would that be dyno hp or real hp?
:)
Todd,
I'm not seeing the "hater" angle...or maybe just not as sensitive to it. I do see some Cyclone engine envy...no big deal. To me, the interest in this thread is knowing what an engine with dyno numbers like that will do in a small jet. And what it'll spin a B to. I'm also very curious about the dyno thing because my engine will run there soon. And when I post my sheets, 565edge or whoever are welcome to question those numbers...makes no difference to me. And "those people" who challenge my numbers won't be "f*cking up a good thing" from my point of view at least.
Hopefully by then I'll know enough about dyno runs to explain exactly how those numbers will compare (or not) to what I see on the lake.
jer

[Infomaniac]

jer - will that be torque or HP you will be looking for?
Real or mathmatical? Computer enhanced?
:D :D :D
[ June 14, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Infomaniac ]

[dossangers]

Jeez this is like the bench racers forum ive seen cyclones boat its one of the nicest jets ive seen why is everybody hung up on the dyno sheets its probaly real close nascar small blocks make close to 700!! so his motors right there and i was out there that day the water was SHIT!! Give the guy a ****ing break his shit is nice and when your at the river race him and see if your shit can keep up probaly not!! ive never dynoed my motor but im guessing around 750 on the motor and 500 on the NITROUS it feels pretty good 8400 rpm's 29 gears maybe 85mph down river !!!LMAO

[roostwear]

Infomaniac:
jer - will that be torque or HP you will be looking for?
Real or mathmatical? Computer enhanced?
:D :D :D Doesn't much matter does it? He must be in the wrong part of the country to have accurate dyno results. Jeez, what a crock of shit. It's a moot point if a boat has a shit setup, isn't it?
[ June 14, 2003, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: roostwear ]

[Infomaniac]

roostwear:
Infomaniac:
jer - will that be torque or HP you will be looking for?
Real or mathmatical? Computer enhanced?
:D :D :D Doesn't much matter does it? He must be in the wrong part of the country to have accurate dyno results. Jeez, what a crock of shit. It's a moot point if a boat has a shit setup, isn't it? Dude - that was an inside joke.
The boat setup has nothing to do with the dyno results. How do you explain less than a hundred HP difference in a low compression pump gas deal and a high compression race engine with more cubes. The tune up?
Cyclone is a cool guy and has a very nice boat. Did a good job on it.
I personally feel that someone took advantage of him. A 100+ HP tune up? Come on now. Not the first time astronomical numbers came from that dyno. It is very good for dyno business. wink You do not get 1.475 HP per cube on a low compression pump gas single carb n/a 502. Does not matter jet boat or v-drive, Cyclone or Infomaniac it does not happen.
I have not pressured the guy to run his boat in bad water. I am just curious as to how the jet pump dyno numbers compare to the first dyno numbers.
I feel bad that it is perceived as directed at him. I think it is a good opportunity to call B.S. on dyno numbers. Even though it is not the owner's fault. If I were him I would have been proud of it also. Maybe the dyno numbers are correct and the engine numbers are not? :cool:
I have built a bunch of engines and personally dyno'd many more than that. I am speaking from my experience. I have nothing against Mr. Cyclone.
[ June 14, 2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Infomaniac ]

[dossangers]

I guess this is bullshit also? 540 ci 800bhp comes with dyno sheet is it false advertising? http://www.theengineshop.com/images/content/engine6.jpg

[Infomaniac]

dossangers:
I guess this is bullshit also? 540 ci 800bhp comes with dyno sheet is it false advertising? http://www.theengineshop.com/images/content/engine6.jpg I'm sorry I must be a dumbass. Did not know Cyclone bought a crate race engine and changed the cam and heads. NEVERMIND
That is a race engine dude. Not a low compression pump gas deal.

[dossangers]

what are you saying is compression more important or cubic inches or both cubic inches at lower rpm high comp at high rpms?

[dossangers]

HARDCORE ENGINE 540 SPORT ALUM GAS CARB
$11,195.00
The 540c motor has 13:1 compression and 800 hp. The C- motors have the power and consistancy to win, week after week. It's important to note that cars equipped with C-engines are capable of achieving ET's comparable ( if not better than) performance levels of cars with "big name" engines costing thousands of dollars more. The C-motors are made up of: Merlin II cast iron 4 bolt block; Merlin aluminum rectangle port heads; Forged 4130 crank; JE forged pistons; Eagle 4340 rods; Comp roller cam; Crower roller lifters; Merlin aluminum manifold; Modified Holley 1050 carb;Complete MSD ignition; Manley true roller; Stef's oil pump & pan; Speedpro rings; Clevite bearings; and Harland sharp roller rockers. A ATI balancer and ARP hardware finish up the assembly components
this is a pretty killer deal!!!

[565edge]

How about there 9:1 version! http://shop.theengineshop.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?V1=425774&PN=1&SP=10023&xid=42186&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0

[565edge]

CRATE ENGINE,WORLD 509/560HP ALUM
$8,695.00
The World Products 509 crate motor has 560+ horsepower and is reliable street power. As a testiment to the engine's reliability, it is backed by a 2 year, 24,000 mile warranty. Here's a quick summary of whats inside the 509 - Merlin cast iron block w/ 4 bolt mains; Merlin 320cc aluminum heads; 4130 forged steel crank; Wiseco/JE/SRP forged pistons; Manley 4340 rods; Crane camshaft; Speedpro lifters; Motown aluminum manifold; Modified Holley 870 Holley carb.; Manley timing chain; Speedpro ring set & oil pump; Milodon pan; Clevite bearings; HEI distributor; Hardcore CNC balancer; Felpro gaskets; ARP hardware; and chrome timing cover and valve cover.
here is another that is about the same cubic inch.

[565edge]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dossangers:
[qb] HARDCORE ENGINE 540 SPORT ALUM GAS CARB
$11,195.00
The 540c motor has 13:1 compression and 800 hp. The C- motors have the power and consistancy to win, week after week. It's important to note that cars equipped with C-engines are capable of achieving ET's comparable ( if not better than) performance levels of cars with "big name" engines costing thousands of dollars more. The C-motors are made up of: Merlin II cast iron 4 bolt block; Merlin aluminum rectangle port heads; Forged 4130 crank; JE forged pistons; Eagle 4340 rods; Comp roller cam; Crower roller lifters; Merlin aluminum manifold; Modified Holley 1050 carb;Complete MSD ignition; Manley true roller; Stef's oil pump & pan; Speedpro rings; Clevite bearings; and Harland sharp roller rockers. A ATI balancer and ARP hardware finish up the assembly components
Ya it has 4 points more compresion and runs race gas and it is 40 cubes bigger and with more stroke,just stick to your jet hydro's and injected 468's.
[ June 14, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: 565edge ]

[Infomaniac]

dossangers:
what are you saying is compression more important or cubic inches or both cubic inches at lower rpm high comp at high rpms? I am trying to be as nice as I can. I am saying 9:1 pump gas single carb n/a engines do not make 1.475 HP per cubic inch.
Trying not to say anything bad about the owner.

[MikeF]

Now, I did not have anything to do w/ picking the parts, but I did help assembling it.
The motor has about 9.2 to 1 compression ratio (not completey acurate....close). The cam is as stated in one of the prior posts by Cyclone.
The crate motor are all "dumb" but "strong" parts (meaning they do not have anything to do with making alot of HP, just withstanding it). The heads and cam on the other hand are the brains the make the HP. The AFR heads have been designed to flow a whole lot of air! The designer knows his stuff. That is why they hired him!
The first dyno pulls were only to about 5200 rpm (that was why the HP #'s were a little low, and on race gas for extra precaution). The jet sizes were then figured out and were placed in the carb. I remeber Steve saying how "good" the fuel curve was w/ the 950HP Holley carb. The later pulls were right around 720hp using 91 octane 76 fuel (right there when Steve poured it in). We were having some minor problems getting it past 720+/- but that was fixed by draining some of the extra oil that was in the pan (too much was put in causing windage loss of power). The oil was changed to a synthetic and another minor change to timing and the 742HP # came up :D .
Everything that was done was pretty well methodical and was logged in the computer while Steve was doing what he does.
LVjet, Glad you picked those Profiler heads!! I have never seen a smoother flowing design :D ! I thought you were going w/ a 496 stroker. A 540.....DAMN eek! !

[MikeF]

My favorite pic from the build :D .
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45randykiller3JPG-med.jpg
Sorry HB :p .Tooooooooo funny.

[superdave013]

I just got a nifty dyno sheet from my brotherinlaw.
1300cc pump gas and 12 psi of turbo boost. How would you like to toss a leg over this sucka.
click here (http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1503Scanned_Picture_1.jpg)
[ June 14, 2003, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: superdave013 ]

[Bense468]

I wish I could see it but don't have a 10 foot monitor. JK superdave
[ June 14, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[superdave013]

Bense468:
I wish I could see it but don't have a 10 foot monitor. JK superdave lol, yeah your right. I changed it to a link so I don't hijack cyclons thread.

[HBjet]

MikeF:
My favorite pic from the build :D .
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45randykiller3JPG-med.jpg
Sorry HB :p .Tooooooooo funny. That's my favorite photo too!
HBjet

[MAXIMUS]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LVjetboy:
[QB] Maximus, would that be dyno hp or real hp?
:)
How about both! :)

[Raskal]

hay HB you going in the morning with cyclone
[ June 14, 2003, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: Raskal ]

[jweeks123]

Infomaniac
I am just curious as to how the jet pump dyno numbers compare to the first dyno numbers.
info, what are you going to use as the jet pump power demand? berk chart? is that proven accurate?
i certainly agree that they don't race dynos - it's just a tuning tool. if the boat goes fast, the motor is probably strong. is anyone here going to give cyclone some time to dial the boat in to see if it's fast?
jw

[Infomaniac]

jweeks123:
Infomaniac
I am just curious as to how the jet pump dyno numbers compare to the first dyno numbers.
info, what are you going to use as the jet pump power demand? berk chart? is that proven accurate?
i certainly agree that they don't race dynos - it's just a tuning tool. if the boat goes fast, the motor is probably strong. is anyone here going to give cyclone some time to dial the boat in to see if it's fast?
jw There was a calculator on the Banderlog site. I tried it earlier and the link did not work.
I will probably back off on this deal. Not worth all of the arguement.
Hats off to these guys for performing such a feat.
From personal experience it should overspeed with a B impeller (comfortable engine speed for a lake boat). It should have more than enough HP to turn an A to the peak HP RPM.
I kind of jumped in after the pressure was put on for numbers. I was quoted though. If so many of you guys honestly believe that you can get that much power from a set of heads and cam. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[ June 15, 2003, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: Infomaniac ]

[MikeF]

Hey, It's 6:12 am. How fast is it smile_sp ?

[Hal]

:D :D :D

[Jrocket]

7:48 and checking!!! :D

[Infomaniac]

You guys are Brutal.
I saw him. He was going for it regardless of conditions. Hope he is OK.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/211supplyboats05.jpg

[MAXIMUS]

Infomaniac:
You guys are Brutal.
I saw him. He was going for it regardless of conditions. Hope he is OK.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/211supplyboats05.jpg Now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)

[disco_charger]

Infomaniac:
You guys are Brutal.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/211supplyboats05.jpg Looks like Parker on a weekend to me!

[bp]

Infomaniac:
dossangers:
what are you saying is compression more important or cubic inches or both cubic inches at lower rpm high comp at high rpms? I am trying to be as nice as I can. I am saying 9:1 pump gas single carb n/a engines do not make 1.475 HP per cubic inch.
Trying not to say anything bad about the owner. with all due respect, how can you say this is not possible? what if it were 10:1, or 10.5:1?

[Eric455]

with the 502/ that cyclone has in his boat it would take at least 13:1 to make that kind of HP. i could be wrong. info would you correct me if i'm wrong, please
eric

[Bense468]

Info I am kind of thinking along the lines that you are on this one. I have been thinking from the start that if he is "really" producing 740 hp then why not an "A" why the "B". I would of put an "A" and see how hard that mother pulls. A "B" to me sounds like would RPM that thing way to much with the stock bottom end. The Dyno sheet shows the power right in the "A" range too. I like quick boats. But what the F do I know.
[ June 15, 2003, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[565edge]

Hope everything went well today at elsinore?How did it run?

[HavasuBarney]

I ran into Cyclone on the water today... you know we had to line em up!
I got him out of the hole and pulled him hard to about mid-track where I topped out at 95, he ran past me like I was standing still.... eek!
I don't know what his final numbers were today but I'm buying it now! :)

[MAXIMUS]

HavasuBarney:
I ran into Cyclone on the water today... you know we had to line em up!
I got him out of the hole and pulled him hard to about mid-track where I topped out at 95, he ran past me like I was standing still.... eek!
I don't know what his final numbers were today but I'm buying it now! :) sleeping Barney...Barney...BARNEY!!!! WAKE THE F*** UP!!! YOU ARE LATE FOR WORK! eek!

[MikeF]

Still have not heard anything sleeping .
The B impeller that Mike is running is a Heritage (very close to a Legend). As you know from prior posts, the given size Legend impeller moves more water then a Berkeley. It has been detailed by Jack and this makes it even more efficient. So....It is actually closer to an "A" than a "B". idea

[Infomaniac]

HavasuBarney:
I ran into Cyclone on the water today... you know we had to line em up!
I got him out of the hole and pulled him hard to about mid-track where I topped out at 95, he ran past me like I was standing still.... eek!
I don't know what his final numbers were today but I'm buying it now! :) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: eek! :rolleyes:

[HavasuBarney]

MAXIMUS:
HavasuBarney:
I ran into Cyclone on the water today... you know we had to line em up!
I got him out of the hole and pulled him hard to about mid-track where I topped out at 95, he ran past me like I was standing still.... eek!
I don't know what his final numbers were today but I'm buying it now! :) sleeping Barney...Barney...BARNEY!!!! WAKE THE F*** UP!!! YOU ARE LATE FOR WORK! eek! Oh shit... I thought this was a sobriety test and I was practicing my ABC's... :D
Not buying my saga Maxi? :D

[MAXIMUS]

So again I will ask the experts, how much power does it take to turn "Jacks" legend stainless A to 6400 RPM? Mike, LV JET, HB jet, anybody else??? :confused:

[MAXIMUS]

HavasuBarney:
MAXIMUS:
HavasuBarney:
I ran into Cyclone on the water today... you know we had to line em up!
I got him out of the hole and pulled him hard to about mid-track where I topped out at 95, he ran past me like I was standing still.... eek!
I don't know what his final numbers were today but I'm buying it now! :) sleeping Barney...Barney...BARNEY!!!! WAKE THE F*** UP!!! YOU ARE LATE FOR WORK! eek! Oh shit... I thought this was a sobriety test and I was practicing my ABC's... :D
Not buying my saga Maxi? :D Sorry Barnster... :rolleyes:

[HavasuBarney]

Was it the got him out of the hole thing or just the whole idea of a car boat beating my outboard! :D :D

[MAXIMUS]

I think when you said you hit 95 I knew you were buried in some heavy crack! eek!

[MAXIMUS]

Your face that is! :)

[HavasuBarney]

:D :D

[565edge]

MAXIMUS:
So again I will ask the experts, how much power does it take to turn "Jacks" legend stainless A to 6400 RPM? Mike, LV JET, HB jet, anybody else??? :confused: 881 hp,according to the jpc.

[Eric455]

i dont think were ever gonna get #'s. its 11 PM are thy back yet?

[LVjetboy]

Hope all's well with Cyclone.
Since we're waiting, intermission?
MikeF, I switched to the 540 halfway thru the build. Figured everything else was new, why not the block? Overkill has merits. Also slowed things down. Now I'm paying for not going big in the first place.
As for Cyclone's impeller...I had it down as a Berkeley B...only because I had his pump listed as a 12JG. I missed the Heritage-Legend impeller thingy. That's about 50 hp I didn't account for. So you're right, more like a Berk A/B+
Bense also posted switching to an A? Impeller charts based on true power normally show power below dyno "corrected" numbers. So rpm's follow. How much is good question, one reason this thread's interesting to me. I've seen several tests showing 70-80 hp difference between dyno predicted power and actual power based on full throttle measured rpms. If that's true, I'm thinking the B cut gets Cyclone closer to peak power for top speed. Haven't plotted his dyno curves yet.
The mystery continues...
jer

[Blown 472]

And once agian, I simply asked what rpm it turned, period. The way I understand it they spent all day either idling around or turning 3 to 4k rpm and never once stabbed it to see what it would turn for just a second, oh well what ever.
btw hbjet, I can plane out and cruise at 2600 rpm, I keep the "ALOT" of hp in reserve for the whackas.

[MAXIMUS]

565edge:
MAXIMUS:
So again I will ask the experts, how much power does it take to turn "Jacks" legend stainless A to 6400 RPM? Mike, LV JET, HB jet, anybody else??? :confused: 881 hp,according to the jpc. Thank you 565. :) I am only spinning 6300 on good day however that is very interesting!

[Blown 472]

toddnjuzz:
Hey Raskal, do you remember when you were a kid, and your pop and the guys were hangin in the garage, and you may have said something stupid or out of line and good ol' pop reached back and "BIIAAAATCH" slapped the shit out of you, and said those famous words " DONT SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TOO"! well,... some people will never learn!
I really dont think that cyclone really gives two shitz what a guy from the midwest or were ever these people are from has to say about #s
once again im out! "HATER HATER" yuk angry?? I dont hate anyone, and never made any personal attacks, can I have a hug?? frown

[Eric455]

angry?? I dont hate anyone, and never made any personal attacks, can I have a hug??
i'll give you a hug.

[bp]

cyclone oughtta just bring it to ming next weekend, run it in river racer, and see what it'll do. for 75 bux, you get flat water and several timeslips.

[Eric455]

i wouldnt bring the boat out to havasu. their will be to much flat water for testing. elsinor is much better for testing.

[cyclone]

well as most of you know, i'm not on the computer on the weekend so this had to wait until today.
I spent Saturday at MPD having jack re-seal my transom adapter. Both of the times i've had the boat out i nearly sunk it because of a bad leak that i wasn't able to reseal.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45IMG_0266-med.JPG While i was there we added this little item to my boat....
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45IMG_0269-med.JPG
On Sunday, i met Hal at a house on the south side of Elsinore and launched the boat. The water was pretty damn good. The droop helped out immensely and really got the boat loose. I ran it to 5,000 rpm and then noticed the motor was getting hot. Back on the trailer i adjusted the water pressure regulator and went out for another run. I ran out of water at 5,000 rpm and put her back on the trailer because the motor was up near 200 degrees. Tore apart the regulator to check and see if the screen was clogged and it wasn't. Turns out i ajusted the regulator the wrong way previously. Ok so i re-adjusted it and let the motor cool off. Back on the water, I took my friend Marcel for a ride and through some slight chop we went 5,400 rpm with lots of pedal left. At this point i'm still getting used to the droop and have been running the diverter in the neutral position. Hal has some problems with his boat and we hang out and help him. By now 930am, the water has turned to shit and we head over to the cove to meet up with some friends. My friend chris (the guy who bought my old boat) showed up and i took him for a ride. The speed zone looked like the ocean so i stuck to the outside of the lake. As i cruised over to the soutside of the lake i find some smooth water and get on it. We hit 5,800 rpm at about 3/4 throttle and the boat ran really good. And then i passed three cops. I cruised by slowly and as quiet as possible (no baffles or water running through the headers) and one of the cops followed me to the other end of the lake. I got rolled and recieved 200 bucks in citations for not having baffles and no launch permit. Quote of the day: cop- "Your first mistake was painting this boat like a red Ferrari and your second mistake was putting those headers on it!". He wasn't very nice. So he instructs me to get off the lake and i comply,running out of gas on the way back to the trailer. So all in all, it was good day. The boat ran spectacularly, even though i still haven't found the top end.
Bense- Out of the hole the boat doesn't cavitate much and pops up on plane real quick. It takes about 3,000 rpm to get upon plane and if i hammer it out of the hole the motor will spin to 5,000 rpm, but by that time i'm already hauling ass so no i cant just mash the gas out of the hole to find out the top rpm of the motor.
Here are a couple of pics from the day:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/45IMG_0270-med.JPG
So to answer everyone's questions..no i dont have gps numbers yet because i didn't have a working gps on sunday. No i haven't been able to run it to max rpm. So far i've only hit 5,800 rpms.
And that is with a Berk JG pump, Heritage Bronze B-cut impeller. (i think blown472 was asking for my rpm#)
Yes i plan to run the river racer class at Lake Ming at the manufacturers cup in September. By then i should have enough seat time in the boat to get the setup dialed-in.
And for those of you that think my dyno numbers are inflated, that is your right. I had nothing to gain by posting the numbers. I was merely trying to show that i got great results with minimal effort and investment. The bottom line is that heads and cam selection are crucial to making power. AFR makes an awesome set of heads and Comp makes a great cam that did in fact make a 240hp bump over the stock performance of my motor. Yes it is a pump gas 9.2:1 motor. Yes MikeF did change nothing but the top end parts in my garage and i have the pics to prove it. I'll keep on posting my progress on this thread but i'll leave the friendly debate over whether or not i'm full of shit to you guys. Sorry for the long post. have a good day!

[Blown 472]

Very nice.
Never said you were full of shit, and never meant for this thread to go that way, I equated the banter to sitting in a bar and talking shit. Some how it got away. :rolleyes:

[cyclone]

hey man its no big deal. i know what i've got and am extremely happy with it. you coming to OP6C?

[wrightnow]

Hey cyclone,
Heard you were at the lake and got stopped, always sorry to hear when that happends.
But it sound like your ride is running great and should help back the dyno numbers. I look at this way, I dont care much about the numbers (hp, mph), what counts it when you line up and run. Your either fast or not, not much else counts.
I order a droop from jack also, I need to go by this week and pick it up, but you could feel the differance with the droop?
Still a great looking boat, I love the all white seats. See you this weekend.
Mark

[Blown 472]

cyclone:
hey man its no big deal. i know what i've got and am extremely happy with it. you coming to OP6C? Nope, cant make it. frown

[cyclone]

blown472- that's too bad. i'll pour one out for you then. :)
wrightnow- thanks man. Yeah the droop worked really well on my boat. I couldn't believe it really. It drove like a completely different boat. Much looser and less wet. As a bonus, the roost is retarded looking now because it shoots up so high. At least compared to the way it used to be.

[Blown 472]

cyclone:
blown472- that's too bad. i'll pour one out for you then. :)
wrightnow- thanks man. Yeah the droop worked really well on my boat. I couldn't believe it really. It drove like a completely different boat. Much looser and less wet. As a bonus, the roost is retarded looking now because it shoots up so high. At least compared to the way it used to be. Thanks.
I have never seen a boat with a droop, but it looks like it puts the water down below the boat line, why then does the roost go up?? :confused: