Different Pump Bowls

[HBjet]

Ok, lets take a look at some different pump bowls shall we...
#1 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b1-med.jpg
#2 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b2-med.jpg
#3 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b3-med.jpg
#4 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b12-med.jpg
#5 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b11-med.jpg
#6 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b9-med.jpg
#7 Which Bowl is this?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7-med.jpg
Ok, lets see who gets them all right!
HBjet

[HBjet]

Now, to have some more fun, let's compare Sanger Mike's "Un-Touched" NEW Aggressor bowl to my converted "Waste-of-Time" JC to JG bowl...
New Aggressor :)
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7a-med.jpg
Larger Image (http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7a.jpg)
Converted JG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20convbowl003.jpg
New Aggressor :)
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7b-med.jpg
Larger Image (http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7b.jpg) Note, there is no stuffer included!
Converted JG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20convbowl005.jpg
Now, by using http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/28Chet.jpg's method of gauging performance difference (by using one's vision) I can see a clear difference/advantage between the two. Now, it is up to the other jet boaters here to state what your opinion is about the difference between these two bowls whether you see one or not.
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

Here's my guesses...
1) Stock Berk. Looks like mine. I guess it could be a Legend too. I have never seen one.
2)AT Dominator long vane.
3) Converted JC/JG? Ring around the outside is the only clue for me on this one.
4)Legend? No oil fills visible, and it has the Berk-like hand hole. Not saying it has to match the pump, but Legend is my guess..
5) I dunno.... maybe a JE or JC? I can't tell from this angle
6) Jacuzzi
7 Aggressor 9 vane (I counted)

[Froggystyle]

After looking at them again, the only one I am sure of is the last one.
I seem to remember the Dominator having a sharper transition to the back of the jet, and a longer straight surface on the outside, so that could go for #2 or #3.
The Jacuzzi has those bosses for the oil. That is it for me...

[Duke]

Froggystyle:
4)Legend? No oil fills visible, and it has the Berk-like hand hole. Not saying it has to match the pump, but Legend is my guess..
can someone enlighten me on what/where the hand hole is? purpose is?
only one i could tell was the last one..
number 4 looks pretty tho'

[HammerDown]

HBjet:
Now, to have some more fun, let's compare Sanger Mike's "Un-Touched" NEW Aggressor bowl to my converted "Waste-of-Time" JC to JG bowl...
New Aggressor :)
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7a-med.jpg
Larger Image (http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7a.jpg)
Converted JG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20convbowl003.jpg
New Aggressor :)
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7b-med.jpg
Larger Image (http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7b.jpg) Note, there is no stuffer included!
Converted JG
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20convbowl005.jpg
Now, by using http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/28Chet.jpg's method of gauging performance difference (by using one's vision) I can see a clear difference/advantage between the two. Now, it is up to the other jet boaters here to state what your opinion is about the difference between these two bowls whether you see one or not.
HBjet Hmmmm, well I would have to say it appears the the tail side of the Aggressor (may) have the edge. The end vanes in the Berk Bowl pitch into the end cap, where as the vanes on the Aggressor appear to be full/longer runners...now I would just take a un-educated guess that this would allow for a more controlled flow and straightening effect of the water leaving the Bowl...no???
Or would either Bowl really make that much of a difference :confused: Or is it a, if it looks good...it must be good kind of thing.
[ March 05, 2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: HammerDown ]

[HBjet]

Froggystyle:
Here's my guesses...1) Stock Berk. Looks like mine. I guess it could be a Legend too. I have never seen one. Correct!
2)AT Dominator long vane. Nope!
3) Converted JC/JG? Ring around the outside is the only clue for me on this one. Nope!
4)Legend? No oil fills visible, and it has the Berk-like hand hole. Not saying it has to match the pump, but Legend is my guess.. Nope!
5) I dunno.... maybe a JE or JC? I can't tell from this angle Nope!
6) Jacuzzi Nope!
7 Aggressor 9 vane (I counted) Correct
HBjet
[ March 05, 2003, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[HBjet]

Does anyone else have an idea? Come on....more of you have to know some of these.
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

How many manufacturers are we talking about here?

[HBjet]

Froggystyle:
How many manufacturers are we talking about here? Damn You Wes!
4
HBjet

[HammerDown]

Ahhhhh, a trick question...there all Bay Jet Bowl...lol.

[HBjet]

HammerDown:
Ahhhhh, a trick question...there all Bay Jet Bowl...lol. Now that's funny!

[HBjet]

Do you guys want the answers or do you want me to wait longer?
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

OK, so we already have Aggressor and Berk taken care of....
That leaves Legend, Dominator, Barracuda, Panther, Jacuzzi, OMC, and probably a couple of others...
New guesses....
2)Newer Berk JG
3)Jacuzzi Energizer
4)
5) Dominator. Looks like the one in my garage. I can't see the vanes though, so who knows.
I think these are going to end up being trick questions...
[ March 05, 2003, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: Froggystyle ]

[HBjet]

Froggystyle:
New guesses....2)Newer Berk JG Correct!
3)Jacuzzi Nope
4)
5) Dominator. Correct!
HINT: There is no Jacuzzi, and the Dominator you guessed is the newer style.
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

Now I'm totally guessing, but I would guess that #'s 4 and 6 are going to be Legends or Older bowls I don't recognize. There were only so many split bowls made, and with only 4 manufacturers to choose from, Berk and Aggressor taken, I still need two more.
I am almost sure that #3 is the Jacuzzi deal, that leaves one more, and that would have to be a Legend.
#4 is older looking. No extended vanes, no trick anything so I guess it could be a Bayjet, but I doubt it.
My guess is that there are a couple more Berks and one Legend.

[Froggystyle]

I give. One is an older Dominator or AT I guess, and I don't know what the other ones are. The only thing I have seen with bosses for the oil holes are Berks and Jacuzzi's, so what do I know...

[Froggystyle]

OK, bust it out. What are they>

[HBjet]

#1 Berkeley JG, Old Style
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b1-med.jpg
#2 Berkeley JG, New Style
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b2-med.jpg
#3 Dominator, Old Style
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b3-med.jpg
#4 BayJet
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b12-med.jpg
#5 Dominator, New Style
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b11-med.jpg
#6 Berkeley JA or JB, I don't remember
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b9-med.jpg
#7 Aggressor 9 vein
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b7-med.jpg
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

So in the end, I missed the old Dominator, and the Old Berk that you're not sure which it is, right?
That JA has to be modified with the split bowl, correct? It came as a one piece, right...

[Froggystyle]

What kind of bowl do they use for the Energizer kit?

[HOSS]

HB, what if anything should I have done at MPD. Besides having JC converted to JB? This thing is bone stock.

[HBjet]

The last Berk is factory. I know there was a JB split bowl made and it's shorter then a JG. By looking at the photos, you can clearly see the last Berk bowl is shorter.
For the Energizer Kits, I believe there are 2, one is an Aggressor kit, and the other is a American Turbine/Dominator? One of those... So I would imaging you get an Aggressor bowl, or a AT/Dom bowl.
Hoss, if you want a JB (shorter bowl) I would suggest just buying one. When you convert a JC to split, it's longer then there newest JG bowl. If your not going to add a droop to your pump, I would not convert your JC. If you are, then it could be a good option for you. I would talk to Jack to see what best suits your boats setup.
HBjet
[ March 05, 2003, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[HOSS]

HB, I commend you on the JC to JG metamorphasis. I always wanted a droop, wedge, longer nozzle(if that`s it) but could not experiment with the JC. Now you`ve shown me a way thats feesable. I didn`t want to buy a JG and go through that too. I have got a new enthusiasm for my boat now. thanks again for the post dude!
For me personnally this ihas been the most informative thread on this site. Most useful to me. It was getting lame. Glad I stuck around. Thanks again bro. Now if the sun would ****in` appear (2.5 weeks) I could play with this thing. Gotta take it off to send to MPD.
Just a little helpful hint from HOSS. After boat sat up so long. Kick trailer hard all over. Checkin` for bees! :D
Soory dude meant JG in previous post!
[ March 05, 2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: HOSS ]

[HOSS]

I do need to talk to MPD. Ron Sporl tells me to run a droop yet Greg at GS is telling me not to. `75 Southwind 20' 460. Berkley as you know JC soon to be JG finally!

[HBjet]

Cool! Give them a call and talk to Jack and see what he recommends for ya!
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

HBjet:
For the Energizer Kits, I believe there are 2, one is an Aggressor kit, and the other is a American Turbine/Dominator? One of those... So I would imaging you get an Aggressor bowl, or a AT/Dom bowl.HAH! So the #3 pump could be a Dominator used for an Energizer kit!!!!
J/K Randy. Good pics, and thanks for the game. Harder than I thought it would be.
The thing that was killing me on #3 was the vanes set so far down in the tailshaft area. I saw that once on an Energizer kit, so I thought it was a Jacuzzi part.

[HBjet]

Well, for the kit, the bowl would look nothing like #3 because that is an old style bowl. It would look more like the newer style...
Here is a better view of #3
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b4-med.jpg
And here is anothe converted bowl.
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b5-med.jpg
And for the Million Dollar question.....Does anyone know what this is?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20hmmm-med.jpg
HBjet

[Froggystyle]

HBjet:
And for the Million Dollar question.....Does anyone know what this is?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20hmmm-med.jpg
HBjet An internal snap ring?

[Jake W]

Nice thread I learned some stuff.is the last one a Jacuizzi?Jake

[hack job]

HBjet:
Well, for the kit, the bowl would look nothing like #3 because that is an old style bowl. It would look more like the newer style...
Here is a better view of #3
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b4-med.jpg
And here is anothe converted bowl.
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20b5-med.jpg
And for the Million Dollar question.....Does anyone know what this is?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20hmmm-med.jpg
HBjet hey whos bowl is that one that was converted , in these pics. i know yours was done , is that mine or cyclones? iam hoping its mine. wink :D

[77charger]

Froggystyle:
So the #3 pump could be a Dominator used for an Energizer kit!!!!
wes that i dont know but i do know that the energizer kit used on the american turbine has the vanes all the way to the end and the bowl is a little longer in the back.I have the AT kit or had. :) I did have jack rework the bowl though and was very happy with the results.Weird thing was i got my kit back in 88-89 and the wear ring supplied was the old dominator type(smalller dia)but it has been corrected to the new standard type,berk,dom,AT,aggressor,etc

[HBjet]

Hackjob, No, that's not yours.....your's is almost done though. That bowl had been there for a while.
HBjet

[hack job]

HBjet:
Hackjob, No, that's not yours.....your's is almost done though. That bowl had been there for a while.
HBjet thanks Randy
i need to call him and see whats up

[MAXIMUS]

And for the Million Dollar question.....Does anyone know what this is?
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/500/20hmmm-med.jpg
HBjet [/QB][/QUOTE]
AMERICAN TURBINE... :)

[ChetCapoli]

Looks like i've been missin the show! WOW IS ALL I CAN SAY! Do you have alot of BULLSHIT hb or what?? I would have figured you'd wait on me for the guessin game...geez...to bad you didnt take a close up of that dominator bowl or a turbine bowl side by side with yours...so much to say so little time.....better get the popcorn fellas! argue argue argue argue
To think there is more than just HB who had this conversion done...his buddies of course. LMAO! Are you guys for real here?? My god!
CHET
[ March 05, 2003, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[HOSS]

Well Chet, I`ve never heard of it before. Jets aren`t the most popular type of propulsion down here. Use to subscribe to ***boat and didn`t see it. Been here a couple of years and never heard of it.
If you new of this why didn`t you stand up? I have paid for this JC. Why in the hell would I want to pay for a JG that I can only get from the mail(UPS, etc) and don`t know for sure what I`m gettin`? I`m not going to fly out there to Cali to see one that I can purchase(375.00) round trip. I will save money instead of getting a JG,,,period. Plus I will know its right and that to me is worth more than a complete pump used.
Unless of course you are willing to buy my JC? Didn`t think so! So there what now? Get the JC worked to a JG and have the best and cheapest way out. I now see it your way. So clear. Your way is more of a pain in the ass and this way is easier and somewhat cheaper.
I am extremely happy that I now know of this. Can`t wait to play with my boat this summer,,,time provided of course. :D
[ March 05, 2003, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: HOSS ]

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
Now, to have some more fun, let's compare Sanger Mike's "Un-Touched" NEW Aggressor bowl to my converted "Waste-of-Time" JC to JG bowl...Yes hb...lets compare. I'll let you go first. No pictures now, just facts...written please.
Now, by using chet's method of gauging performance difference (by using one's vision) I can see a clear difference/advantage between the two.
HBjet What is this "CLEAR" difference/advantage hb???? What's CLEAR to me is you will have wasted your money if there is no perfromance gain...PERIOD! You got BS school boy...BS!!!
CHET
P.S. The only way to settle this hb is for you to try both bowls on your ride...it's the ONLY WAY! Your man has a couple "used" bowls for you to try right?? He lets you run all over the shop with a camera so there shouldnt be any problem. Consider it done or what?? My boat pics are coming btw...i cant wait for your "critique" let me tell ya! LMAO!!!

[ChetCapoli]

HOSS:
If you new of this why didn`t you stand up? I have paid for this JC. Why in the hell would I want to pay for a JG that I can only get from the mail(UPS, etc) and don`t know for sure what I`m gettin`? WHAT??? You lost me hoss.....dont know what you are getting?? By one from a jet shop or something. That jim brock guy always has split bowls for sale...buy one from him if your worried about getting stuck. He seems pretty reputable. Your not making sense here dude!
Unless of course you are willing to buy my JC? Didn`t think so! So there what now? Get the JC worked to a JG and have the best and cheapest way out. I now see it your way. So clear. Your way is more of a pain in the ass and this way is easier and somewhat cheaper.
Dude, what i am saying here is sell your JC bowl(unless you are buried in it) and buy a used split bowl. That is the cheapest way. None of this mumbo jumbo BS. That's all i'm saying. Did you mention you paid $350 for a JC bowl??? If you did...well...i'm speachless.
CHET

[HOSS]

Chet, again, what part of this do you not understand? Jets are not popular down here. Who the hell am I going to sell this bowl to? Jim who? Is he down here. If not again,, where can I view one to buy for 250.00? You play like you answer questions but all you do is bumble words. Dude, come on bra, are you dyslexic? I understand where you are coming from. But do you understand anyone else`s? Again Chet do you want to buy it? Last I checked on this site there is not a real market for JC bowls. Hence, thank goodness this option is around.
I really feel fellas that in Chet`s case we are dealing with someone whom may be mental.

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Do you have alot of BULLSHIT hb or what??What part of my post is BullShit? Care to point it out since you seem to know everything about Jet pumps.
HBjet

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Yes hb...lets compare. I'll let you go first. No pictures now, just facts...written please.What the **** you JackHole! Will you make up your damn mind, first you tell me to take photos of the bowls, and now you tell me to not take photos......Are you really as stupid as you seem? I honestly hope not.
ChetCapoli:
What is this "CLEAR" difference/advantage hb???? What's CLEAR to me is you will have wasted your money if there is no perfromance gain...PERIOD!So if there is a performance gain over a stock Aggressor bowl, you would stand corrected and admit that, or would you bring up some other feature as to why the converted JG is still no good?
ChetCapoli:
The only way to settle this hb is for you to try both bowls on your ride...it's the ONLY WAY!JackHole, I don't need to settle anything. Your the only one who has a ****ing problem with this, don't you see that? As for performance gains, I would say on a lake boat such as mine, you WILL NOT FEEL a performance difference between a USED Berk/Dom/AT split and a NEW Aggressor Split and my Converted JG Split. However, if you took all the bowls to a race boat application, my Converted JG (which is detailed) will perform better then any USED Split untouched and a NEW Aggressor Split un-touched. If you can't handle it, to ****ing bad!
What your forgetting JackHole, even if it performs the exactly the same as a USED JG Detailed or a NEW Aggressor Detailed or Not, it still costs LESS! Can't beat that one now can you!
HBjet

[ChetCapoli]

Hoss,
listen dude, put your bowl on ebay or something....as far as jim who...JIM BROCK@cyclone speed and marine....he posts here with parts...has JG bowls for $200 to $250...understand? Just buy one and be done with it, just that simple. Better start using the spellcheck hoss...
hb buddy, besides all of it, you want to know what part of your post is BS....this right here "i can see a clear difference/advantage between the two"
SO WHAT IS IT??

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
SO WHAT IS IT??If you can't see it, then stick with your Off the Shelf, Newer Technology, for the cheapest buck setup!
HBjet

[Jake W]

Hoss you can buy a good used G bowl from these guys when they have them.Jim Brock Cyclone marine 818 890 1867,Duane HTP 316 794 8616.Or you can trade in your C bowl and some cash to CP Preformance 800 225 9871.I have bought a G bowl from CP a while back for 175 and my used C bowl butI ended up tradeing it for the Aggressor I have now.And most resent I bought a G bowl from Duane HTP for 250 and it came with a cradel.All of these guys put new bushings in them befor they sell them to anybody.Just some info for you.I have delt with all of these guys including Jack from MPD and none of them have done me wrong.Jake

[HOSS]

I will check into it. Cyclone. Where are they located? Remember shipping. Yes, I know I will have shipping charges both ways on the JC to MPD.
HB, didn`t you say that a converted JC is actually longer than a JG? Wouldn`t this be a performance gain? Ride plate and droop I would think would perform better.
Thanks Jake, thats good info.
[ March 05, 2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: HOSS ]

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet
So if there is a performance gain over a stock Aggressor bowl, you would stand corrected and admit that, or would you bring up some other feature as to why the converted JG is still no good?Yeap hb..i'll stand corrected IF and only IF there is a perf gain ON YOUR BOAT. So, lets see it. LETS F$#*IN SEE IT!! Only way to shut me up.
However, if you took all the bowls to a race boat application, my Converted JG (which is detailed) will perform better then any USED Split untouched and a NEW Aggressor Split un-touched. If you can't handle it, to ****ing bad!I can handle it IF YOU CAN PROVE IT WITH SOME FACTS AND NUMBERS..not just your rehearsed opinion and foggy pictures. I'll be waiting hb...give me the facts!! give me the facts!!!
even if it performs the exactly the same as a USED JG Detailed it still costs LESS! Can't beat that one now can you!I'm asking you now hb "are you as stupid as you seem?? I added it up for you on the other thread...and i'll do it again:
JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Just keep talkin hb...keep talkin.. You just beat yourself...jackhole!
CHET

[ChetCapoli]

Jake W:
I have bought a G bowl from CP a while back for 175 and my used C bowl butI ended up tradeing it for the Aggressor I have now.And most resent I bought a G bowl from Duane HTP for 250 and it came with a cradel.looky looky here....good old jake to the rescue with some interesting info for us viewers(knowing this jake i really am convinced you have money to burn)
JG bowl( JC trade-in): $175 plus flowjob:$275
JC conv :$375 plus flowjob: $475
Got your calculator handy randy??? LMAO!!

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
if you can't see it, then stick with your Off the Shelf, Newer Technology, for the cheapest buck setup!
HBjet Looks like ol randy is avoiding the question....if you dont want to tell me buddy, do it for the viewers who appreciate and worship you and all your smoke and mirrors..... just do it for them mr. GURU!

[Jake W]

All right Chet you asked for it dumbass .I got a G bowl for 175 and traded it for a Aggressor bowl even.And I bought a nother G bowl for 250.Hey Dumbass that adds up to 425 for two split bowls.One of witch you paid 525 for, now who has the money to burn?I was trying to be fair but **** it.Jake

[Rexone]

HOSS:
Chet, again, what part of this do you not understand? Jets are not popular down here. Who the hell am I going to sell this bowl to? Jim who? Is he down here. If not again,, where can I view one to buy for 250.00? You play like you answer questions but all you do is bumble words. Dude, come on bra, are you dyslexic? I understand where you are coming from. But do you understand anyone else`s? Again Chet do you want to buy it? Last I checked on this site there is not a real market for JC bowls. Hence, thank goodness this option is around.
I really feel fellas that in Chet`s case we are dealing with someone whom may be mental. Classic... definately worth the price of the popcorn! wink

[Duke]

ChetCapoli:
even if it performs the exactly the same as a USED JG Detailed it still costs LESS! Can't beat that one now can you!I'm asking you now hb "are you as stupid as you seem?? I added it up for you on the other thread...and i'll do it again:
JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Just keep talkin hb...keep talkin.. You just beat yourself...jackhole!
CHET "JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475"
kinda looks like he got you there... but wtf do i know? im so lost... :]
popcorns ready tomarrow night, HAHAHHA

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
JG bowl( JC trade-in): $175 plus flowjob:$275
JC conv :$375 plus flowjob: $475I'm sorry, but a used JG plus $100 of bowl work will not make it look like a converted JG. No Way!
HBjet

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Looks like ol randy is avoiding the question....if you dont want to tell me buddy, do it for the viewers who appreciate and worship you and all your smoke and mirrors..... just do it for them mr. GURU! Ah, I could give two shit as to what people think about my pump setup and I think the only one hear that does care about my setup is you. Your not going to be happy unless I start using another pump builder and anything other then Berk or Legend. So face it Chet, your a very boring person with very little to do. Smoke and Mirrors huh? Yeah, 80mph with 425hp with a Berk JC bowl.....Smoke and Mirrors!
HBjet

[Blown 472]

Jesus this is getting old give it a ****ing rest.

[HammerDown]

Actually this time I'm intrested in this Pump conversation> argue ...quotes and all. I think all the pic's of the Bowls kinda helped in a way...I say let it rip!

[Blown 472]

HammerDown:
Actually this time I'm intrested in this Pump conversation> argue ...quotes and all. I think all the pic's of the Bowls kinda helped in a way...I say let it rip! That is cool, but the back and forth is old.

[HammerDown]

Blown 472
QUOTE]That is cool, but the back and forth is old. [/QB]Well, I'll give ya that one> :D

[HOSS]

Has it ever been other than that? :D
Very informative. This site was starting to die. All it started to be is bullshit. I myself included. I really don`t feel like selling mine(JC) and I don`t feel like getting a used one (JG). All in all even if this costs me another 50 to 100 at least I know what I got. JC to JG conversion for me. Plus look at all the hassle of selling on ebay, shipping of old and new used. **** that. One time deal. That within` itself has me sold.
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Chet, you are missing something so I`ll try to explain slowly. YOU CAN`T COUNT THE $100 ORIGINAL FLOW JOB CAUSE ITS DONE. In other words if he sold (as you say) the JC with $100 dollar flow job then he losses the $100. Understand. You can`t count that cause its been done. He paid 375 for a flowed JG! Wow, I can`t wait to do mine. Just think,,,$375 and I have a kick ass JG. My only regret is this wasn`t brought to my attention earlier. Shame on you Chet. You knew of this and didn`t help fellow hotrodders? Dude, that right there is a damn good reason for a hangin` down here.
Again, I`m not counting any work I`ve had done nor am I counting the price of my bowl. Its done. I`m in too deep to start with a used JG. Get it? Sorta like my boat. I bought it used. I can`t count into appraisal value the money it originally sold for as well. If I did then I`m roughly guessing at a 50g boat. I understand that I could possibly trade mine in, sell it, and get the used JG. Why? I have a great JC! Now it`ll be a great JG! For $375 more. But start over with the used JG. Now I`ve paid (as you say and others) $250. Shipped to my house, and shipping it to shop. Work I`d have done $200 if the bowl is in awsome shape. How in the hell am I saving money? Oh yeah, sell my high in demand JC for MAYYYYYYBE 150? Come on dude. One time deal. JC conversion for me. Simple. Clean. One stop drop. Take off my boat, send out, pay cash, get back, put on. That`s only 5 steps as compared to 15 minimum.
Face it Chet,,,,,technology is a wonderful thing.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste, convert it to a JG! :p
[ March 06, 2003, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: HOSS ]

[HBjet]

Blown 472:
Jesus this is getting old give it a ****ing rest. Don't like it, don't read it! It's the choice YOU have. BTW, don't you have other threads you could be posting one sentence comments on to boost your post count?
HBjet

[Blown 472]

HBjet:
Blown 472:
Jesus this is getting old give it a ****ing rest. Don't like it, don't read it! It's the choice YOU have. BTW, don't you have other threads you could be posting one sentence comments on to boost your post count?
HBjet Dont you have new boat, ford motor, none berk pump, etc etc bashing to do?? Yeah I do it to boost my post count, funny all the posting you do is either new boats or the pump shot of the week.

[Windy]

Blown no need to get bent...you have to admit he had you there.

[Blown 472]

MissHBjet:
Blown no need to get bent...you have to admit he had you there. Not bent, just playing along. :D

[HammerDown]

argue argue Rebuttal argue argue

[Jet Hydro]

This is to funny...Ole HBjet and his good ole buddy Chet still going at it. argue ..ROTFLMAO At you two!
Have I been reading that more and more people are useing Aggressor these days? eek!

[slotracer]

with all this talk about converting bowls what's the time line to have one down? it may just be worth it to keep this thread going.
pat(slotracer) :D

[HBjet]

I dropped off my bowl and it was finished in 3 weeks. Actual time spent on the bowl 7-8 hours I believe.
HBjet
[ March 06, 2003, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[HOSS]

Wonder where Chet is? He never saw my last post on this topic. Musta struck a nerve. Like the rhyme without the tongue twister.

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
I'm sorry, but a used JG plus $100 of bowl work will not make it look like a converted JG. No Way!
HBjet Are you more interested in LOOKS or making your boat go FASTER HB??? What is that extra inch of straightness going to do for your top speed?? You must know the answer already so tell us?
CHET
CHET

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
I'm sorry, but a used JG plus $100 of bowl work will not make it look like a converted JG. No Way!
HBjet Are you more interested in LOOKS or making your boat go FASTER HB??? What is that extra inch of straightness going to do for your top speed?? You must know the answer already so tell us?
CHET
CHET

[Duke]

HOSS:
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Chet, you are missing something so I`ll try to explain slowly. YOU CAN`T COUNT THE $100 ORIGINAL FLOW JOB CAUSE ITS DONE. In other words if he sold (as you say) the JC with $100 dollar flow job then he losses the $100. Understand. You can`t count that cause its been done. He paid 375 for a flowed JG! Wow, I can`t wait to do mine. Just think,,,$375 and I have a kick ass JG. My only regret is this wasn`t brought to my attention earlier. Shame on you Chet. You knew of this and didn`t help fellow hotrodders? Dude, that right there is a damn good reason for a hangin` down here.
He did pay the 100 or what ever for the flow job non the less, as would you if you were to get the conv. right?
look at it this way...
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
JG: $250
Jc conv: $375
JG still puts you on top...(money wise)

[sanger mike]

HEEEEEEES BAAAAAAACH argue

[Duke]

And in another thread or earlier in this thread someone, i believe hbjet said that if you were to buy a bowl from anyone that they would put new bushings or what ever, so your NOT going to have problems with it, so why not just sell your jc for the 100 its worth, pay 250 for a jg, and be a happy camper?
JG: $250 minus $100 for the jc, new total, $150!!!
or.. jc to jg conv: $375...
$225 in your POCKET!
maybe you should look at what your doing/saying again hoss, or who ever else wanted the jc conv.
just a suggestion/ thought

[HBjet]

ChetCapoli:
Are you more interested in LOOKS or making your boat go FASTER HB???Faster Chet. I only used the word "looks" to describe the detail work performed on the bowl because you can SEE it. Next time though, I will say I'm sorry, but a used JG plus $100 of bowl work will not make it as detailed as my converted JG. No Way! is that better Chet?
ChetCapoli:
What is that extra inch of straightness going to do for your top speed?? You must know the answer already so tell us?I don't know Chet. I do know it should flow a little better then a standard JG, and having all the detail work done to the bowl will certainly help too.
Hey Chet, I started a thread "Let's see your pumps" with photo's of everyone's pump. Since you can criticize so much about pumps, why don't you post a photo of yours!
HBjet

[ChetCapoli]

HOSS:
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Chet, you are missing something so I`ll try to explain slowly. YOU CAN`T COUNT THE $100 ORIGINAL FLOW JOB CAUSE ITS DONE.
Wait just a second hoss....why cant you count the extra $100?? That what he has in it on top of the $375 right? Lets ask old hb......is that conversion for $375 include the flowjob hb???? I almost forgot to add on his pretty powdercoat job....$$$$$...getting close to the price of a new aggressor now hb....even a full polished one i bet. :D
Face it Chet,,,,,technology is a wonderful thing.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste, convert it to a JG! :p Yes hoss technology is wonderful....especially the current stuff.....and money is just as terrible to waste as the mind.....and ol hb has both those bases covered! Just do yourself a favor and just buy a used JG for your "lake boat" for down in the swamps and be done with it. If you wanna get rid of your C i'm sure one of hb buddies would want it. Who knows even randy himself might want if for the mantle at his donut shop. :D
CHET
P.S. Hey hb...i'm flattered about your website...possibly including me and all....just a nice guy you are. I'm really touched. :p

[ChetCapoli]

DUKE WHERE YA BEEN??? I gotta tell ya you got me on that! I didnt even think about that one.
jawdrop GOOD POINT!
CC aka conversion chet

[HBjet]

Duke:
look at it this way...
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
JG: $250
Jc conv: $375
JG still puts you on top...(money wise) Duke, know what the hell you are talking about before you start throwing numbers up!
Used JG with $100 of bowl work will not look like anything close to my converted JG. So, let's compare the same amount of detail here first, then add up the numbers.
If your happy with just bolting on a used JG and you think it's going to flow as good as a converted JG, then go on ahead.
As for HOSS, if he's running stock power and doesn't plan on upgrading, then I would say the best deal would be buy a used JG and bolt it on and forget about the conversion. That's what I would do, but I don't plan on having my motor basically stock forever.
HBjet

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
Hey Chet, I started a thread "Let's see your pumps" with photo's of everyone's pump. Since you can criticize so much about pumps, why don't you post a photo of yours!
HBjet I'm not criticizing your ride hb...just you and all your marketing tactics over and over again.... Just let us know if the "expenditure" you have makes your boat faster ok? It's all about speed hb and i know your looking for at least 87mph!!
FYI,I got the pics hb...they'll be here soon enough. I dont have a pump pic as of yet but as soon as this white shit goes away, i'll work on it for ya. Until then...it's just little old me to bug ya. :D
CHET
P.S. I'm still flattered about the website thing buddy....such a nice guy. To think i left such a favorable impression. wink

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
Duke, know what the hell you are talking about before you start throwing numbers up!OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! looks like duke struck a nerve.....the "common sense nerve".....
As for HOSS, if he's running stock power and doesn't plan on upgrading, then I would say the best deal would be buy a used JG and bolt it on and forget about the conversion. That's what I would do, but I don't plan on having my motor basically stock forever.HIP HIP HURAY!!! HIP HIP HURAY!! for HBJET!!
[ March 06, 2003, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[Jet Hydro]

Oh boy, how I love this topic :)
Have you loved your Pump today? :)

[Jordy]

Hey Slowy, how the hell are you doing these days? :D

[HBjet]

Before Conversion
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8144-med.JPG
Larger Image (http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20DSCN8144.JPG)
After Conversion
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20convbowl005.jpg
Here's the deal, I actually had another JC bowl on the boat when I first bought it and I blew the gasket between the bowl and the suction piece and it was in the middle of summer. I went to Jack to have him replace the seal and while the pump was out, I was going to have him do some work to the bowl. After checking out my bowl, he said it would be worthless to touch because there was a grove worn into the nozzle section and he said there is no way to fix that, and it's pointless to do anything to the bowl because you will always have water blowing past that area. So, for $100 bucks, I bought another JC (the one you see in the Before photo) and also included in that $100 bucks was the little work you see on the front veins. Now, that was 2 years ago in the middle of summer and I didn't have the money to buy a split bowl or do the conversion and then add a droop and extension hardware, etc. So, $100 bucks for that JC which pushed my boat to 80mph was money well spent, so you can't say I really blew $100 bucks. That $100 bucks got me back on the water for 2 more years. Bowl conversion alone is $375, and when you add everything up, it's not like I bought a JC 3 weeks ago for $100 bucks, and then paid $375 on top of that.
HBjet

[Jet Hydro]

jordanpaulk:
Hey Slowy, how the hell are you doing these days? :D Well jordy it`s just cold as hell up here, for what ever that means? Is it cold in hell? Oh well "COLD" and how about your self?
[ March 06, 2003, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Jet Hydro ]

[Jordy]

Just another day in paradise around here. Supposed to be 80 by the end of the weekend. I can't wait for the 100 degree days to start as I absolutely hate the cold. We've got some moisture here in the last couple weeks so the lakes might stay wet though the summer. We can only hope. :D

[Duke]

HBjet:
Duke:
look at it this way...
"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
JG: $250
Jc conv: $375
JG still puts you on top...(money wise) Duke, know what the hell you are talking about before you start throwing numbers up!
Used JG with $100 of bowl work will not look like anything close to my converted JG. So, let's compare the same amount of detail here first, then add up the numbers.
If your happy with just bolting on a used JG and you think it's going to flow as good as a converted JG, then go on ahead.
As for HOSS, if he's running stock power and doesn't plan on upgrading, then I would say the best deal would be buy a used JG and bolt it on and forget about the conversion. That's what I would do, but I don't plan on having my motor basically stock forever.
HBjet I wasnt saying that the used Jg would look anything like yours.
All I was saying, like you told hoss, was that the best deal would be to buy the used JG.
I understand you had the work done first, but Hoss doesnt. I strongly doubt that anyone else that would/does want to do that conv. does either.
I'm talking about just the basic Bowls.
Plus, wouldnt it be the same to have a JG bowl "as detailed as" a Jc bowl?
x amount to detail a JG bowl like yours
would still cost x to detail a JC bowl like yours, right?

[Duke]

BTW, HBJet, I cant wait to see your pump put back on your boat. i love the color you chose to powder coat it, its gonna look bitchn
Post pics asap!! :D :D :D

[HBjet]

Duke:
wouldnt it be the same to have a JG bowl "as detailed as" a Jc bowl?Actually it should be more because anyone in there right mind wouldn't spend that much money on a detail for the JC when they could converted it for maybe a little more. I think most people that have JC end up selling them or scraping them and buying a new split bowl, or used one. I know this conversion idea seems strange, but for my situation, it worked out perfectly. If I have a 19' jet with a Marine Power 454 and logs thru the transom, I would have just bought a used split and called it a day. The main reason for me going to a split is to add the droop!
Thanks, I can't wait for it to be installed in the boat too. I'm thinking another 2 weeks because I still have to figure out what droop I'm going to use, and we can't determine that until the pump is back in the boat, and do some measuring. Once we figure out what droop would be best for my setup, I'm going to have it coated blue (1 week turn around) then install it and it will be finished! I will be posting pics for sure!
HBjet
[ March 06, 2003, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[Duke]

HBjet:
Once we figure out what droop would be best for my setup, I'm going to have it coated blue (1 week turn around) then install it and it will be finished! I will be posting pics for sure!
HBjet Just a thought, why not run the droop you choose to see if it runs/functions the way you want, then have it coated...? that way you dont have to get another droop if you dont like the way the 1st one you chose handles/runs/functions(ya get the idea) and coat it.
:D

[Ghighway]

Hey Bull Chet Capoli,
Since it seems your so concerned with everyones wallet let me ask you a question. Why the **** would you spend the time and money on a hull that wasn't made to go fast (you said so yourself)?
It ain't cheap building a 750hp engine, putting in all new Agressor parts, blueprinting a bottom, and lord knows what else that Sears & Robuck tuna boat of yours needs.
Maybe I missed pics of your ride, you in it doing what 87mph? All I've seen is an upside down wreck of a hull. I think all you are is a very successfull Troll in these forums. Put up some pics, most others have, or shut the **** up!!!!!
From a non dougnut shopping Jetter

[HBjet]

Duke:
Just a thought, why not run the droop you choose to see if it runs/functions the way you want, then have it coated...? that way you dont have to get another droop if you dont like the way the 1st one you chose handles/runs/functions(ya get the idea) and coat it.
:D I know what you are saying, but Jack knows these Liberty hulls extremely well as he does CP's, and he knows where everything needs to be for it to run the way it should. If I'm not happy, I can always try other droops. Coating the droop is going to cost me like 30 bucks and I don't mind coating it first.
Thanks though!
HBjet

[HOSS]

Ok, DUkie! First off I have money in mine. second off as I stated to Chet and quote me as you will, who in the hell is gonna buy my JC? And for $100. Get the **** outa here. I got more than that in it. Again, how am I saving? I`m having troublwe understanding your mathmatical formula for addition. it goes 1+1=2. Not 1+1+1=2. You see. You are combining not adding. Now, since neither you nor Chet can tell me who (why don`t you)will buy my bowl (that being used JC) then clear that part of the formula. If I sell my bowl for $100 then I lose $400. We are not going to get into what all has been done and shipping and cost of bowl. Just take it for what it is. Now again, even using your math how am I saving? Granite I will have a lot of money in a converted JC but gee, it works fine.
Are you understanding yet Dukie? Now matter what I will spend cash. But and here`s the kicker,,,, I will know what I got.
Dookey, you stated that someone on this board said I could get it bushed for free if I bought the bowl. Dipshit. read the whole post. The part I needed bushed was the old JC and it was for the Reverse bucket. Pin waddle hole to the point of cracking which one side did. Now what on the new JG do I want new bushings installed in? Kinda got caught with you pants down eh?
Chet, no where do you take into consideration shipping. And I don`t want to here a questimation from you. I live in NEW ORLEANS. Down here there are not pump shops to be found. There is one and he has to send out for stuff. These boats are not that plentiful here.
My motor is not stock. And no, a Ford Racing.com 514 will find its way here one day.
Do the math now boys since we are on the same playing fielsd now. And since we are going to count it all:
$500 JC sell for $100= -$400
WWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW WAIT A MINUTE
That`s already more than the conversion!
WOW! Jesus, let me be like Dookie and Chet and go in the hole before I get out the GATE!
Brilliant boys! Who does your taxes? I will and I come cheap!
Dookie,,,, I lost my side kick, maybe you know him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or,,,,maybe,,,just maybeeeeee,,,,,,its you Pookee`.
No wonder its all f`d up,,,,,I`ve been listening to a heroin addict and his new side kick who`s on the pipe!
In all seriousness Chet and Duke, if you had actual #`s and took into consideration my location (meaning shipping and if something is really wrong with the JG used) I`d listen. But you haven`t. You are not going to guarantee a used JG so stop bro. I feel it is the safest easiest way out. And I like it. That`s all that really matters to me.
And as far as slamming someone who comes on here to just give a tech tip,,,,,,thats ****in` low. A slight rib ok, but bra HB came on here to show his new toy and you ****in` pounced like a cat on a mouse. He wasn`t pushing this on anyone, meerly showing his new gadget like we all do. I happened to like it.
Dude I don`t see you giving helpful shit just bashing. I told you I was listening. And still am. But real numbers and less hassle. By hassle I meen the shipping, locating, machining. I don`t know alot about pumps. Again, look at location. I`ve been burned from mail order and internet. I don`t want to get burned on a bowl when I have one. See bro where I`m comin` from. $375 is not really the issue to me. Ease of obtaining what I want is.
Now that that is said, DON`T STOP BING A DICK ON MY ACCOUNT! Peace bro.

[sanger mike]

VERY WELL SAID HOSS! I think you took the words right out of my jawdrop :D thank you

[Jordy]

HBjet:
Coating the droop is going to cost me like 30 bucks and I don't mind coating it first. Money truly is of no consequence to you... :D :D :D
God Bless you HB. :D

[HBjet]

jordanpaulk:
Money truly is of no consequence to you... Hey, if spending $30 to coat the droop blue is going to break the bank, well, then I have bigger problems and I shouldn't be spending any money on my boat.
HBjet

[Duke]

Hey Hoss, drink a cold one and take pookie out of your ass...

[ChetCapoli]

HOSS
Ok, DUkie! First off I have money in mine. how much hossie?
Second off as I stated to Chet and quote me as you will, who in the hell is gonna buy my JC? And for $100. Get the **** outa here.i'm sure there is somebody...like i told you, hb's freinds or even hb for his mantle. There's a thing called advertising on the net, try it sometime. Dont give me the BS about where you are located either, i in the northeast which is worse than your location. You can do what jake said and trade it in...he did!
Again, how am I saving? I`m having trouble understanding your mathmatical formula for addition. it goes 1+1=2. Not 1+1+1=2. You see. listen hossie pook, if you cant figure out how you are going to save that's your problem. Seems to me you overpaid for you bowl and are stuck...so...you might as well be more stuck and LIKE IT! Must be the water down there in the bayue eh???
CHET
[ March 07, 2003, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[HBjet]

Ghighway:
Hey Bull Chet Capoli,
Since it seems your so concerned with everyones wallet let me ask you a question. Why the **** would you spend the time and money on a hull that wasn't made to go fast (you said so yourself)?
It ain't cheap building a 750hp engine, putting in all new Agressor parts, blueprinting a bottom, and lord knows what else that Sears & Robuck tuna boat of yours needs.
Maybe I missed pics of your ride, you in it doing what 87mph? All I've seen is an upside down wreck of a hull. I think all you are is a very successfull Troll in these forums. Put up some pics, most others have, or shut the **** up!!!!!
From a non dougnut shopping Jetter Chet, did you forget to read this? Why don't you respond? Chicken? BTW, where are those photos?
HBjet

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
Chet, did you forget to read this? Why don't you respond? Chicken? BTW, where are those photos?
HBjet Listen gayhighway, i've probably got less in my boat than you and HB combined..so what shit are you talking?? I'm workin on the pics dont you worry about it. That boat itself cost me a cam/lifter change with little extras in a chevy truck with a 350(pennies on the dollar)...the boat came with a 454(500hp) which i sold to pay for the pump parts with some $$ left over so...aside from the bottom work and the motor(which i can sell for 8500 pretty much anytime and have half of that in it) there really isnt much invested...especially for the speed i run compared to others rides(HBJET included) YOu can include your ride too i'm sure. I never said my boat wasnt designed to go fast(how many 70's production hulls are really made to run 80??) just not as fast as say....the state of the art V hull that hb has.The few previous owners sold my hull cuz they couldn't get it to run over 60...they still cant believe i have it going 87mph. As for being a successful troll...thanks pal...the truth is the truth last i checked. :D
CHET

[King Kuracz]

ChetCapoli:
[QUOTE]I'm workin on the pics dont you worry about it.Working on it for what, about a year and a half? Next time pop for the 1 hour photo. You can afford the extra buck, right buddy?
ChetCapoli:
[QUOTE]they still cant believe i have it going 87mph.Is that a GPS reading or did you take that off the tow vehicle speedo?

[LVjetboy]

Hmmm...now I'm thinkin 87's questionable too...until you figure 700 hp. But is that number bogus too? Where's the pics? Not so hard to post pics if detailing bottoms and building hp no problem.
If you're gonna flaunt speed as proof of clout, then you'd better be ready to back that sucker up. I am.
jer

[BIGAMIST]

Didn't find any pics of Chet's pump or bowl but I did find a pic of Chet.
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http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/1212.gif

[matt1]

Chet where the hell is the northeast what state are you in, you not scared to tell where you live are you at least tell every where we can find you hell mabey we could all go see your boat since you can't post pics.
[ March 08, 2003, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: matt1 ]

[ChetCapoli]

LVjetboy:
Hmmm...now I'm thinkin 87's questionable too...until you figure 700 hp. But is that number bogus too? Where's the pics? Not so hard to post pics if detailing bottoms and building hp no problem.
If you're gonna flaunt speed as proof of clout, then you'd better be ready to back that sucker up. I am.
jer For a guy that is quite booksmart..professor quality, like yourself(complement now, no offense) and claims to want to be a hands on,work on it yourself pump guy...what is with you having other people put it together for ya????? Especially with the big buck guys nonetheless??
With the money you just put in that motor...sold a kidney you say??......YOU BETTER GO REAL FAST....REAL FAST!!
CHET

[King Kuracz]

Maybe you could post a copy of your dyno sheet for us Chet. That would surely shut everyone up(maybe).
Ya, I know there coming soon. Same old story.
I'll ask again, was that 87 GPS?

[ChetCapoli]

King Kuracz
[QB
I'll ask again, was that 87 GPS? [/QB]Yes GPS....no other way to tell is there?? maybe i'll work on the dyno sheet for ya even though i havent seen you post in quite some time. I have to see how old HB is going to handle my pictures THIS TIME.....

[HOSS]

I knew a guy like you once Chet. You know what I did,,,,,,I kicked his ass. Yeah, I figured you out. Your one of those assholes who went fishing. You caught the first fish. You caught the most fish. You caught the biggest fish.
What a douche bag.

[King Kuracz]

He caught a blowfish!
Pics will be here soon.

[matt1]

Chet still didnt answer my ? yet.you aren't the only guy with a jet boat are you.

[LVjetboy]

...what is with you having other people put it together for ya????? Especially with the big buck guys nonetheless??That's easy. Because I want to go REALLY fast! Not just fast. I could spend the rest of my life figuring that one out. Definition of "REALLY FAST": Scared and still more throttle. Copy? That's not happening in the mid 80's...or 87 for that matter. But 100 with the bottle to spare? That's something!
Now I'm a hands-on guy and love to build stuff. That's a fact. But even with a "big buck" guy building my engine, I still have plenty of other jet boat upgrades to do myself to keep me busy until 2004. Or maybe 2005 or 6? Stereo, wiring, ignition, gages, switching, ride plate, divertor...the list goes on. I'll never be done. So farming out the go fast stuff no problem.
With the money you just put in that motor...sold a kidney you say??......YOU BETTER GO REAL FAST....REAL FAST!!
CHETThat's for sure. Hope my one kidney holds out. JPC says 101 mph lake trim and 108 race (just me in the boat) but I'm a realist by nature. Ok, some call it "pessimist." I'm thinking if I see 100 mph on the GPS no matter what trim I'll be happy. But one thing for sure, and all here know my track record. Whatever the number is, good or bad, you'll see proof here in dyno data sheets and GPS pictures.
And I do know how to post pics...send me yours and I'll post them too if you like.
:)
jer

[ChetCapoli]

LVjetboy:
I'm thinking if I see 100 mph on the GPS no matter what trim I'll be happy. But one thing for sure, and all here know my track record. Whatever the number is, good or bad, you'll see proof here in dyno data sheets and GPS pictures.
jer With that big buck engine guy you got putting your motor together 100mph would be quite depressing if it were me especially with a tunnel boat.....you could go anywhere in your area and have a motor built to make it run 100 and cheaper to boot. For the extra $$$, the name and all that goes with it, he should guarantee you at least 105 without NOS. I think your just caught up in all the hoopla around here. What's that mill costing ya if you dont mind sharing?? I'm figuring 10grand. I'm sure you'll get carried away with the free adverti...i mean pictures just like HB.
CHET

[matt1]

Hey Chet now your just being a dick.

[King Kuracz]

Looks like Chet found someone new to **** with.
One more question Chet seems to avoid answering....
When is the last time your boat actually ran?

[LVjetboy]

With that big buck engine guy you got putting your motor together 100mph would be quite depressing if it were me especially with a tunnel boat 700 hp + shallow v jet = 87 mph
700 hp + mod v (tunnel) jet = 100 mph
13 more mph from a "tunnel" not too shabby...and at that speed, I'll try not to be too depressed :)
..you could go anywhere in your area and have a motor built to make it run 100 and cheaper to boot.Few can build 700 hp n/a into a 454 block (489cu not 522cu) with 89 octane dock gas and make it last. Not all 700 hp engines are equal, although all cost $$$. And not all engine builders have the same knowledge and attention to detail to build a naturally aspired engine to those power levels and last. High compression tweeked to the raged edge running race gas is useless to me.
For the extra $$$, the name and all that goes with it, he should guarantee you at least 105 without NOS.Dave builds engines not jets. So he's not in the business of guaranteeing speeds...just horsepower. Which works fine for me. I know what my speed goal is and I know well how my jet responds to "x" amount of horsepower. So as long as my builder delivers, the Drag-n will deliver :)
What's that mill costing ya if you dont mind sharing?? I'm figuring 10grand. I'm sure you'll get carried away with the free adverti...i mean pictures just like HB.
Sorry, don't think it'd be appropriate to post cost here. But the dyno and speed pictures, no problem. You may consider it advertising, but I'd post them even if I built the engine, just because I'm a numbers guy who likes visuals. And I'd bet others are interested in the pic results, I mean free advertising(?) too. Anyone else interested in seeing dyno runs on this engine? Anyone curious about what rpm an MPD prepped B turns with verified hp? Anyone wanna see pics of the 100 mph pass? I certainly would...just to see if LVjetboy was full of hot air...advertising or no.
jer

[King Kuracz]

I for one would love to see pix and dyno sheets. it's funy that the first guy to bitch about pix from you is the guy who seems to have the most trouble posting pix himself. (even with help offers from more than a few people on the board)
Give us all a little notice beforehand so we can get the popcorn ready, cause you know it's gonna be another barn burner.
Or maybe it will finally put an end to Chet's b/s?
(Not that I want it to stop though, it's very entertaining.)
Nahhhh.......

[kojac]

LVjetboy:
With that big buck engine guy you got putting your motor together 100mph would be quite depressing if it were me especially with a tunnel boat 700 hp + shallow v jet = 87 mph
700 hp + mod v (tunnel) jet = 100 mph
13 more mph from a "tunnel" not too shabby...and at that speed, I'll try not to be too depressed :)
..you could go anywhere in your area and have a motor built to make it run 100 and cheaper to boot.Few can build 700 hp n/a into a 454 block (489cu not 522cu) with 89 octane dock gas and make it last. Not all 700 hp engines are equal, although all cost $$$. And not all engine builders have the same knowledge and attention to detail to build a naturally aspired engine to those power levels and last. High compression tweeked to the raged edge running race gas is useless to me.
For the extra $$$, the name and all that goes with it, he should guarantee you at least 105 without NOS.Dave builds engines not jets. So he's not in the business of guaranteeing speeds...just horsepower. Which works fine for me. I know what my speed goal is and I know well how my jet responds to "x" amount of horsepower. So as long as my builder delivers, the Drag-n will deliver :)
What's that mill costing ya if you dont mind sharing?? I'm figuring 10grand. I'm sure you'll get carried away with the free adverti...i mean pictures just like HB.
Sorry, don't think it'd be appropriate to post cost here. But the dyno and speed pictures, no problem. You may consider it advertising, but I'd post them even if I built the engine, just because I'm a numbers guy who likes visuals. And I'd bet others are interested in the pic results, I mean free advertising(?) too. Anyone else interested in seeing dyno runs on this engine? Anyone curious about what rpm an MPD prepped B turns with verified hp? Anyone wanna see pics of the 100 mph pass? I certainly would...just to see if LVjetboy was full of hot air...advertising or no.
jer I certainly would. Come on, come on
Kojac..... :)

[cyclone]

ya know, there was a time when i grew bored of reading chets whiner posts. But now i feel like grabbing a big ol' bag of popcorn just to sit back and see where this will go. Like i said before, "still waiting to see your pics,chet>"

[HOSS]

Been chompin` on baqs. Where the f is Chet? I knew it. He`s gonna wait till he can paste a bunch of words takin outa contect and post. He`s a true WORM. See ya chet. Converting! Dukeeie don`t wanna reply with chet no more? Thought he was your bro? Come on bra we take back reverts dookie.

[77charger]

LVjetboy
[QB Anyone else interested in seeing dyno runs on this engine? Anyone curious about what rpm an MPD prepped B turns with verified hp?
jer [/QB]Uh i know and its even a placecraft a friend of mine owns.Has a dyno sheet and i gave it to jack to set up the boat.

[Jake W]

Well I have some pics of Chets boat I will down load them tonight if the F#$%ing image center will let me .Jake

[Jake W]

well hear you go Chet http://forums.***boat.net/image_center/data/521/82chet5.jpg http://forums.***boat.net/image_center/data/521/82chet4.jpg

[LVjetboy]

Well Charger, you still got those numbers? I don't care about hull, just pump and engine...the hp to rpm on an MPD Berkeley B massaged to the max. I'm working the calibration thingy.
jer

[HBjet]

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[ March 10, 2003, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

[77charger]

lv check PM

[HOSS]

Duke
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posted February 20, 2003 12:33 AM
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I'v seen Muscle cars and oldie's pulling things and have tow hitch's on the back of their cars.
Is it possible to put one on a Honda Civic?
Lets say it had enough power to pull and stop what ever it was towing.
I'll try and get a picture of the back end of a civic like mine...
just curious
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Hang on to your seats, we aint goin' nowhere...
oops, my bad. I was tryin` to be humerous. Sorry dookie. :p

[HOSS]

Duke where is Chet?
Dude,,,don`t do it at the track,,,do it at the bench.

[Duke]

:D :D :D Good attempt in embarresing me hoss, your such a big bad ass boater, GO HOSS GO!

[HOSS]

Duke
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posted March 06, 2003 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by ChetCapoli:
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even if it performs the exactly the same as a USED JG Detailed it still costs LESS! Can't beat that one now can you!
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I'm asking you now hb "are you as stupid as you seem?? I added it up for you on the other thread...and i'll do it again:
JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475
Just keep talkin hb...keep talkin.. You just beat yourself...jackhole!
CHET
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"JG: $250 plus flow(if needed)$100 = $350
JC conv: $375 PLUS original flowjob $100=$475"
kinda looks like he got you there... but wtf do i know? im so lost... :]
popcorns ready tomarrow night, HAHAHHA
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Hang on to your seats, we aint goin' nowhere...
Yeah that popcorns ready,,,,HAHAHHA

[HOSS]

SH,,SH,,SSSSHHHHH,,,,,,,do you here that,,,???????
Quick,,,,,,,,GET THE BUTTER!
jawdrop

[HOSS]

JESUS RYBECK!
That`s not automatic gunfire! Its my HVLP popcorn popper. Sum bitch ripps,,,,don`t it! :D

[ChetCapoli]

hoss...i dont know where you come from but you sure are illiterate...make sense and use sentences for god sake. Must be that water i tell ya.
chet

[HOSS]

Chet, got any more unpopped popcorn? This converted bowl is just TOO damn effecient! I haven`t even added the custom stuffer yet! :D

[Duke]

is it that or are you broke from spending too much on your pump? instead of just getting a split bowl?!
just stirring the pot :D :D

[ChetCapoli]

LVjetboy:
]700 hp + shallow v jet = 87 mph
700 hp + mod v (tunnel) jet = 100 mph
13 more mph from a "tunnel" not too shabby...and at that speed, I'll try not to be too depressed :) Dont forget the extra hmmm.... 15 grand that extra 13mph is probably costing ya mr lv(luxurious vanity)jetboy. To think you like to do stuff yourself. Gotta laugh at that one.
Few can build 700 hp n/a into a 454 block (489cu not 522cu) with 89 octane dock gas and make it last. Not all 700 hp engines are equal, although all cost $$$. And not all engine builders have the same knowledge and attention to detail to build a naturally aspired engine to those power levels and last. Speaking from experience here or just hoopla? How many do you want me to build for ya?? In my neighborhood, there are 4 big shops who can build you all day, any day, a fuel inj 468,12-1comp, full roller,alum heads, made to run 7800rpm's all day long that make 800-850 dyno'd hp. You can bet a 700hp pump gas motor is a walk in the park for them so dont get to carried away with your claims now k? BTW, My motor is a pump gas motor like yours, 4inch stoke(yours 4 1/8?) Your bore 4.250,mine 4.560, your tunnelram with two big $$ carbs, mine 1 950holley. Would you consider 3yrs and still going "lasting" in your book? i sure would. There's alot of great motor guys out there too lv, some people pay extra to have the shops name on the valve cover so they can feel special. Must make them feel comforted when their wallet takes the shot. In your case, a kidney shot. :D
high compression tweeked to the raged edge running race gas is useless to me.It's useless to me too...and your point is??
So he's not in the business of guaranteeing speeds...just horsepower. Which works fine for me. I know what my speed goal is and I know well how my jet responds to "x" amount of horsepower. So as long as my builder delivers, the Drag-n will deliver :) Pay me the big bucks and i'll guarantee you horsepower and the kithen sink. Your boat should deliver for the money invested. It's all about the $$$ mr. luxurious....dont mind if i call you that do ya? :D
But the dyno and speed pictures, no problem. You may consider it advertising, but I'd post them even if I built the engine, just because I'm a numbers guy who likes visuals
jer I know you'd post pics if you did it all but not quite the way you do or would when certain shops do the work for ya....why is that?? If not free advertising, what then?? As far as being a loner and not in a fan club....i highly doubt it. Your pics will be as highly detailed as our buddy HB i'm sure.
seeya mr LV(luxurious vanity)
CHET
P.S. boy that name fits you well! :D
[ March 12, 2003, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[LVjetboy]

No offense to your engine building expertise Chet, but somehow your "horsepower and kitchen sink" guarantee doesn't inspire much confidence.
But you're right, my posts will be detailed as usual, though having nothing to do with advertising.
I suppose if the results are good you could spin it as "good" advertising, and if bad, then "bad" advertising. In the end, my jet related posts are usually about how to make a jet faster or better, and detailed proof of results good or bad. Details are how we learn. Which is what I'm thinking most jetters want to see. Leave details out (or get them wrong) and you contribute little except noise.
jer

[Hallett]

CHET YOUR THE MAN WE ALL WISH WE COULD GO A 100
MPH . I THINK YOU WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET 80 MPH.

[sanger mike]

just got this back today from the polisher. sorry no bowl pics yet. my bowl is down at MPD get the supper tweak , and of corase there will be pleanty of pics when it comes back. :D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/115a12-med.JPG

[HBjet]

NICE :D
HBjet

[BIGAMIST]

sanger mike:
just got this back today from the polisher. sorry no bowl pics yet. my bowl is down at MPD get the supper tweak , and of corase there will be pleanty of pics when it comes back. :D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/115a12-med.JPG Mike how much did that cost to get polished?

[sanger mike]

I paid $120. that was for removing the powder coating, polishing, and MY NUTS cry boy did that hurt. what does everybody think, is this a fare price or did i pay too much. :D

[sanger mike]

heres a pic of my SOUTHWIND TUNNEL DRAGSTER pump before i sold it to SLOTRACER. http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/115P9200006-med.JPG

[Oldsquirt]

Mike, who did the polishing? Looks great.

[sanger mike]

hey oldsquirt, the shop i use is called.
CANTWELL ASSOCIATES
271 WALNUT
SAN BRUNO,CA 94066
650-583-1925
his name is dave. realy nice guy. very fast and never any problems. in 20 years of doing work with him. he does all of hardin marine.roy brizios street rods,bart you name it this guy doesnt mess around. the longest any of my parts have been in his shop is 4 days

[ChetCapoli]

HBjet:
NICE :D
HBjet see how much nicer that diverter is than a place HB???? No goofy rudder to hang down....just like a sleek sharks fin. Hey sanger... how bout you with all the aggressor stuff...hb's gonna kick you out of the club :p . BTW, why didnt you just order it polished and save $$$????
CHET
[ March 14, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: ChetCapoli ]

[LVjetboy]

what does everybody think, is this a fare price or did i pay too much.Of course you paid too much!! I know 10 people in my neighborhood that would do it cheaper.
CHET

[sanger mike]

darn CHET! didn't you see my BERKLEY stuff or are you still in denial. idea
[ March 14, 2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: sanger mike ]