what happened to the price of new hulls?

[svtrich]

My buddy wants to buy a new CP gullwing but Bill Scottens price is nuts.He said he wouldnt sell one unless its complete less motor.His reasoning is,{HE HAS A HIGH STANDARD THAT HE WANTS TO KEEP}.The only thing hes going to keep is his boats for the price that he quoted eek! .I thought I was paying alot for my Cheyenne hull [$6500] at the time. What are price of other high performance boat hulls? anyone have an idea
Richard

[Oldsquirt]

I'm curious. Exactly how much were you quoted for the CP?

[565edge]

Call tom papp and get a edge 19' stealth.

[svtrich]

I think it was either $18000 or $19000 turn key less motor.what the price of the Papp boats[bare hull] ?
smile_sp Richard

[Duane HTP]

We sell the Tom Papp Stealth bare hull in the $7000.00 range., There are soooo many variables that we can not price one here. You need to call us so we can get on the same wave length of what you really want. 316-794-8616
www.hi-techperformance.com (http://www.hi-techperformance.com)
[ August 02, 2003, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Duane HTP ]

[BiggusJimbus]

If you think about it, that isn't all that bad.
By the time you rig a hull, get the interior in, guages, pump, etc. It's easy to drop 8 or 10 grand. If that price includes a trailer, It's pretty fair. Drop in a nicely build 502 or 540 and some nice exhause and you have a sweet boat for under 30K.
None of the good manufacturers can touch that.
It's not cheap, but no boat is. Not even my old ghetto cruiser.
Good Luck in your search.
I think that boat that Bense is selling is a steal. If I had 3500 bucks, I'd probably pick it up.

[Unchained]

I just finished rigging the new 19' Stealth hull that I got from Hi-Tech Performance.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01916-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01914-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01915-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01918-med.JPG
I'm real happy with the new boat. The rigging takes some time but when you do it yourself
you can get it just the way you want it.
For me, I take a LOT longer laying out things than drilling holes.
I made all my own motor mount plates, rails, and seat bases. I ran stainless steel tubing from the two saddle tanks and along the inside of the transom for the fuel and return lines.
I got the seats from Wayne Mettler, They're real nice and he had a better price than anyone else I talked to.
I got the steering, reverse, and gas pedal assy from Hi-Tech and I feel they gave me some real fair prices on the components.
When driving this boat it planes out real quick and has a light nimble feel to it even though I got a lake layup (500+ lbs).
I haven't really thrashed it yet, I just put it in the water for the first time July 25 and am still debugging things. I want to make a splash guard/heat shield out of some 1/8" aluminum before I go to any rough water areas.
In my opinion the cost of this bare hull is a good value. For what you get into the hull even with all the extra colors and bottom work I got with it the price is real reasonable and dealing with Hi-Tech they have the racing experience to help with any pump hardware setups after the sale.
Mark
[ August 02, 2003, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: Unchained ]

[Cs19]

25 grand is realistic to build a BRAND NEW river racer with all the nice parts. everyone will tell you its easy and cheap, dont believe them. It would be very easy to get over the 30 grand area for a 100 mph river boat.find a good used one for wayyy less. :)

[Bense468]

ditto.
I know if I had unlimited money then it would probably cost me about 65 grand to build what I want.

[Havasu Hangin']

Unchained:
I just finished rigging the new 19' Stealth hull that I got from Hi-Tech Performance.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01916-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01914-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01915-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/220DSC01918-med.JPGMark- that boat came out really nice. I guess you'd call that a setback pump...and you gotta love the big turbos!
How about some more video?

[SoCal Power]

Bense468:
ditto.
I know if I had unlimited money then it would probably cost me about 65 grand to build what I want. I'm building a blown 19 CP for a friend. He'll have around $55K in it not including labor.
Depending on pump & rigging mods/upgrades, $18K to $19K is not bad.
db

[Unchained]

Havasu Hangin'
Mark- that boat came out really nice. I guess you'd call that a setback pump...and you gotta love the big turbos!
How about some more video? [/QB]That pump is really setback!
About 1 1/2" farther than the Cheyenne was.
There's about 2" of clearance from the edge of the handhole cover to the transom.
I guess Papp knows where the intake wants to be for their hulls.
I will take some video's once I get done with the debugging process.
That guy "Heavy Hitter" was definitely right about the heat shielding required for the turbo's and headers. I'm amazed at the heat that radiates off the pipes. It only takes a real thin aluminum sheet to provide an effective radiant heat shield but it's a "must have" thing.

[Bense468]

SoCal Power:
Bense468:
ditto.
I know if I had unlimited money then it would probably cost me about 65 grand to build what I want. I'm building a blown 19 CP for a friend. He'll have around $55K in it not including labor.
Depending on pump & rigging mods/upgrades, $18K to $19K is not bad.
db Yeah 18 grand is not bad at all. If it looks like shit, well then I would not pay 18 but I doubt scotten wants anything out there not looking reliable. So so-cal are you doing all the machine work? I would like to see this cp.

[1 fast okie]

hello ihad a new 18' gullwing built this winter by scott seastrom scott's marine and welding of hot springs arkansas 501-624-0137 the boat has 5-color gellcoat,fiberglass shell seat,he built motor rail and mounts,transom plates installed pump (i supplied)ride plate,and vary nice custome trailer,stainless gas tanks,i was ready for gauges,motor,and plumbing when i got it price will be around $14000 depending on what all you want but he builds very nice boats and trailers,if i could figure out the pic thing i would post them

[Bense468]

Its easy. Upload them to a website. Once it is uploaded you then right click the picture and click properties. Copy the location then paste it in the message. If front of that link add this
In the back of the link add this
No spaces.
So it should look like this yourlinkhere
Hope that helps. I would like to see a picture of it. What kind of hull is it? Is it some kind of splash of a CP?
[ August 04, 2003, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[1 fast okie]

the 18' gullwing was a earl smith tooling out of texas around the early 80's so all of them made now are splash but i think scotts is a orginal mold but not quite sure?

[Bense468]

Are you talking about scotten? Wasn't earl smith's boats Texas Tunnel's? Correct me if I am wrong.

[SoCal Power]

Bense468:
SoCal Power:
Bense468:
ditto.
I know if I had unlimited money then it would probably cost me about 65 grand to build what I want. I'm building a blown 19 CP for a friend. He'll have around $55K in it not including labor.
Depending on pump & rigging mods/upgrades, $18K to $19K is not bad.
db Yeah 18 grand is not bad at all. If it looks like shit, well then I would not pay 18 but I doubt scotten wants anything out there not looking reliable. So so-cal are you doing all the machine work? I would like to see this cp.Yes, I'm doing the machine work. I'm using a few off-the-shelf rigging components, like bezels and fills, but not many. I'm doing a few things a little different for the steering, engine mounts and cooling system. My goal is to blend style and function and let the R&D (rob and duplicate) guys takeover from there..........if you know what I mean. Goin okay so far. I'll get some pics posted pretty soon.

[PC Rat]

Unchained,
When you say "I guess Papp knows where the intake wants to be for their hulls."
Did you get the boat with the pump already installed or did you install it?
If you installed it, did they just give you some measurements of where the intake should go?
Also, does the boat come standard with just one color?
What did the extra bottom work entail?
Thanks,
Brian

[Unchained]

PC Rat:
Unchained,
When you say "I guess Papp knows where the intake wants to be for their hulls."
Did you get the boat with the pump already installed or did you install it?
If you installed it, did they just give you some measurements of where the intake should go?
Also, does the boat come standard with just one color?
What did the extra bottom work entail?
Thanks,
Brian Brian, The hull came with the intake installed. Then I bolted put my pump to it. I made some new stainless transom block off plates.
The boat comes standard with one color and each additional color is around $ 225.
Then I got the purple with a fade and that counts as another color.
Papp also recommended some additional bottom work for my setup and that was another $ 900.
It looks like they added about 1/4" depth to the keel in an area from the front of the intake forward about 4'.
Mark

[Jetmugg]

I have an original Earl Smith 18' Gullwing, which was built in Hot Springs, AR in 1978. I'm not sure of the first builder of this hull, but I think it was Earl Smith. I know that Bill Scotten gets very touchy about other people building "his" hull, but I think that Earl was the originator.
I'd like to see some pics of the Scott's marine hull if and when you can post some pics.
SteveM

[Bense468]

Socal are you in relation to Johnnie? Used to be over at west marine or something like that, in corona? He told me he used to be a rigger for CP. He is the one that sold me my crossover. I also bought some other shit from him. Like a bitchen fuel valve and some other custom parts you don't see everyday.

[svtrich]

I guess I can understand what Bill Scotten meant when he whats to keep things to a certain standard.Ive seen quite afew CPs and some were rigged very nice and some were rigged by the blind and drunk.but thats any boat.What are really getting? he doesnt have a factory to build boats.Now hes using Advantage Boats to build the hulls.what about a pump.you get a Berkeley.all he has to do is drive around town and pick things up.how rescent is the technology? 1990? things arent the same now.Im going through that right now with my Cheyenne.
Richard

[SoCal Power]

Bense,
John worked for me when I had my shop. He helped out on some CPs at that time. He works for G.S. part time now.
SVT,
I know what you mean about B.S. He doesn't do enough business (with boats) to support a factory so he uses sub-contractors for glass, rigging and interior. That arrangement has worked well for him for over 20 years. Bill prefers Berkeley but, in a few cases, his boats have been fitted with other brands of pumps and intakes.

[Bense468]

Socal where was your shop out of? What was it called? Boatpart?

[SoCal Power]

Opened in Anaheim in 1985, Turn Key Marine. Moved to Riverside then to Chino and closed it in 1996. Started Boatpart.com in 1998 then leased it out to a couple of people who didn't do a very good job with it. Now I operate part-time as SoCal Power Products. Do some rigging, build pumps and manufacture crossovers. Thinking about going back into it full-time.
[ August 06, 2003, 06:46 AM: Message edited by: SoCal Power ]

[Bense468]

Here are pics of 1 fast okie's gullwing that he had layed up by scott seastrom of scott's marine and welding of hot springs arkansas. He e-mailed them to me and I am posting them for him.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/731Gullwing-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/731Gullwing1-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/731Gullwing2-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/731Gullwing3-med.jpg
[ August 07, 2003, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[Jetmugg]

Very sharp gullwing. As far as I can tell, it's the same as my Earl Smith, but I'm not a super expert. Mine does have the same little "rib" on the deck. I'm not sure if all other 18' gullwings have that same rib or not? Anyone with a CP or a Youngblood, do your decks have this feature just ahead of the cockpit area?
Steve