CP Gullwing question

[gunslinger]

Performance difference between the 18' and 19'. Will similar horsepower push them along about the same speed? What is the difference in weight? Has anyone owned both or ridden in both? Opinions please.

[Bense468]

The 18 will be quicker and is lighter. The downside is there is less room. I personally dig the 18. Anderson is running a 19 "low profile" and it is putting out some good numbers though. They had bottom work done and that pays off. Both will do the trick unless you are going for over 115. Its all about how much you want to spend. I am sure some of the other CP guys can chime in some more advise
[ October 15, 2003, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

[gunslinger]

Thankyou, that brings up another question. How do you tell if it is a shallow hull? How many variations did it come in? What is a common lay-up weight for CP? I know it is a pain in the ass to answer questions that a novice jet guy might ask, but there are people on these boards with a wealth of knowledge. I had these types of questions for the v-drivers long ago. Thankfully some cool people helped me out and I was able to get the right boat for my needs. I like jets as well, especially CP gullwing's. Soon I will own the right one and have two great boats. Just need some help.

[Bense468]

well I don't think they make different profiles (Ride heights). Andersons the one I was talking about is named "Low Profile" If that is what confused you. I am pretty sure they did make an open bow version but that is not really a "hot boat" in my eyes. Both the 18 and 19 are going to have low freeboard. If you haven't already you need to look at pictures of some and see what you think. Better yet talk to someone at the river with one and hopefully take a ride.
As far as weight goes. The 19 usually is heavier then the 18's there is just more boat. I would bet that the normal weight for an 18 would be 400-500 lbs standard layup, they can get in the low 300 lbs range. The 19's I would guess 400-650 lbs.(someone correct me if I am wrong)It all depends on how the original owner had it setup. If it is going to be a river boat I would not suggest a boat that is in the 300lbs range. Good luck finding one. I know there is a guy named Bubba that has a really bitchen 18 for sale. I don't know how much you are willing to spend but here are some pics.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3305-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3304-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3238-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3303-med.JPG
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3239-med.JPG

[Threeve]

thats a sweet looking ride

[LAPD Gary]

Give Bill Scotten, (owner of Ca. Perf.) a call at 702-523-4808 and he'll answer all your questions on the hulls and let you know the pros and cons of each one. There's only 3:
18 gullwing
19 gullwing
18 tunnel
and the 19 can be built as an open bow.
They've been around since 79" and he had a hand on the "Carrera hulls" built in 78. Those are CP's outright per Scotten.

[wrightnow]

I have an 18' cp and love the the boat, while a good friend has a 19' open bow. Both are great boats but you will find that most of the time the 18 will be quicker and the 19 will be faster.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1370cp.jpg

[Oldsquirt]

LAPD Gary:
...They've been around since 79" and he had a hand on the "Carrera hulls" built in 78. Those are CP's outright per Scotten. Do you know if the Carrera gullwings were only built in 78? A few years back, there two different Carrera gullwings for sale in the San Francisco area. One was advertised as an 81 and the other an 80. Almost bought the 81, but the guy wanted too much for the condition it was in.

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

WRIGHTNOW. What year is your boat? Who did you get it from? Was it a race boat with center steering? Thanks.

[LAPD Gary]

Oldsquirt, all the Carrera gullwings were CP's, it was some kind of deal between Winzen (carrera) and Scotten. Scotten can tell you more.
Ca. Perf.
Wrightnow's boat was owned by man named LaKamp (not Joe LaKamp) and it used to run around Needles. The orig. owner had a new one built after a "wild ride" in WN's. at Needles.

[Jet City]

I beleive the typical 18's are around 450 lbs. and the typical 19's are around 650 lbs (lake lay-up). I am also considering a Gullwing, for a guy like me who just wants a fast (really fast :D )lake boat, while still retaining some level of space and comfort = 19 for me.

[wrightnow]

CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE:
WRIGHTNOW. What year is your boat? Who did you get it from? Was it a race boat with center steering? Thanks. It's an 86 and I got it from a guy named Bob McClure out of Needles. LAPD Gary is right about Bob having a wild ride in it and then had another lighter one build. And the owner before him and the orginal owner was Jim Gunthery (not sure s/p) who raced it at NJBA for years. But never had center steering that I'm aware of.
I'v had the boat for about 5 years and it's been a great time. I had a 30 over 454 chev 'D' ports heads in it and was able to run over 90mph. Thats one of the greatest thing about a CP, It does not take much hp to push them into the 90's.
The boat handles great and never had a problem with it trying to pitch me out.
Mark

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

My dad use to race with Jim in NJBA. We had a CP Tunnel and a 18 gullwing that looked pretty close to yours. Jims boat was the Thin Line boat. Nice. Small world. :D

[Taylorman]

There is a nice gullwing on ebay. Is this a copy of a CP? eBay Gullwing (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=31270&item=2437764649)

[wrightnow]

CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE:
My dad use to race with Jim in NJBA. We had a CP Tunnel and a 18 gullwing that looked pretty close to yours. Jims boat was the Thin Line boat. Nice. Small world. :D Yeh, Jim has told me stories about my boat, I he raced it and it was also his weekend runner, He took it everywhere, lake river didnt matter.
But yes very small world....
Mark

[Cs19]

i think guthrie still races, now in the thin line 2 machine.Cp tunnel i believe.

[Performance 19]

Hey Mark...wondered what happened to the 110 boat. Do you ever bring it out to Needles/Mohave valley area? As to the original question, call Bill. He usually knows who has one for sale. There is one for sale In Mohave Valley, 18 ft. Also, ***boat reviewed both the 18 and 19 and you can order copies of the archieved articles. Contact ***boat, I got reprints of both. Don't want to start quoting all the tech stuff now...

[American Turbine Man]

I had an orginal Youngblood TX-19 built by Jim Youngblood. With an aluminum headed Rat and full interior it weighed 1600 lbs. The engine dyno'd 525 hp it would run 90-91 at sealevel. I had twelve different engines in it including, a 200 hp OMC powerhead. My friend had an 18 foot, we called him "Scar". He had been piched out three times and each time we took him to the emergency room hence the name "Scar". The 19 is a great low HP boat.
AT Man

[Jake W]

I have a 18 Preformance Jetboat (EarlSmith)gullwing(where the CP came from) that I am putting togeather the Deck is Identical to the 18 CP and the bottom some say the same and some say slights changes from the CP.I hear the 19 are good lake boats pretty safe and the 18 I have heard diffrent things about some say safe and some say will pitch you.
If any of you have the Full history of how the 18 went from Earl to Scotten (Or what ever happened) it would be great to read.
I know the Gullwing started from Youngblood as a chopped down Fishing boat how about any other info.
Hear is a pic of my project 18 gullwing it is probely around 450 lbs range very well made with one buy, full length stringers.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/82gullwing_side.jpg
Jake

[Jake W]

Is it just me or are none of the pics showing up on this thread?
Jake:confused:

[Cas]

not just you, none coming up for me either

[emjay]

I think the photos won't post because
the subject originated back in Oct '03,
and the links are outdated.
I've searched other older subjects in this forum hoping to see attachments but they
all seem to be deleted after awhile. :(

[Jake W]

You are right emjay ,American Turbine Man brought it back from the dead.
And now it wont even let you post pics on it weird.
I had thought I had read this stuff befor.
Jake:D

[Oldsquirt]

These are all the pics from this thread. The links are all still good, but there have been several Forum software changes that are responsible for them not showing. Jake, you left the first "[" out of yours.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1DSCN3305-med.JPG
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http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/1370cp.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/82gullwing_side.jpg

[Jake W]

Old squirt your the man.Did you ever do any thing with the G bowl?
Hear is a pic of a tunnel 18 love this boat
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/246DCP_0067.jpg
And a couple of 19s
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1269lake_Havasu_069.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/43Stripes1.jpg
Jake

[bp]

cps can be found in a variety of weights. they don't all come out of the mold the same way. at the NJBA manufacturers cup race last year, scotten told me that he really tries to keep track of all the cp's that have been built over the years. obtw, scotten collected yet another manufacturers cup (most rounds won by one hull make over the weekend). i believe that scotten has used advantage to layup hulls for several years. another thing; nobody rigs a cp as well as jack mclure.
i feel like mentioning something else too. there's another thread here, where someone talked about a blown eliminator running low 7's at 140. i know don harris and pit near him. he deserves all the credit for what he achieved last year, winning the bgj class. he puts a lot of power to the water with that big ford.
but, that boat won't hang with the fastest cp on the water, which obtw runs a berk/legend. there are a whole lot of people out there that run bigger more powerful engines than jerry hicks, but they cannot out accelerate him. cp is about top quick, not top speed.

[TRG]

do you have hicks #'s from the last ming race?

[HBjet]

Last November race
UBFJ for the win...
7.559 et - 132.13 mph
7.50-7.99 Bracket for the win...
7.618 et - 136.52 mph
HBjet