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Backfire
07-09-2002, 04:58 PM
Guys, I just read a couple of letters to the editor in Today's News-Herald (Lake Havasu). Thought you might get a kick out of them.
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Editor:
An open letter to CF. I know that is your name because it's printed on the bow of your boat. I just want to apologize to you for using your river and lake on Saturday. I know that's your day, and I should be ashamed of myself. But you see, some friends of mine wanted to see Topock Canyon and they work during the week. That's my only excuse.
Boy, you sure have a lot of boats. Really fast and loud too. I'm sorry we got in your way going upriver, but don't worry; it only took us a few minutes to bail out. My friend, seated in the bow of my pontoon, said it was really quite refreshing on such a hot day. I did kind of miss the blackbirds that usually fly alongside our boat for handouts. I suppose they can't get up to 80 or 90 miles per hour to get out of your way. It would be silly for them to be out there on a Saturday.
Stupid me, I thought you didn't go above the sand bar and, again, I got in your way. I just didn't realize that is the part of the river where you really open up. I guess the sound bounces off the canyon walls and makes it seem even faster. I know it seemed louder. I tried to explain to my guests the beauty of the canyon when it's quiet, but they could only take my word for it.
The wild life didn't seem to mind. We spotted a couple sheep way, way up on top of the canyon. We could see them pretty well through the binoculars each time our boat rolled up and then back down. Do sheep frown, or do they always have that worried look on their faces?
AZ (aka Ed Schweizer)
Lake Havasu
928-453-5219
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Editor:
After reading the article titled "Authorities clamp down on overnight mooring in the channel" dated Friday, July 5, in Today's News-Herald, I just had to add my two cents from a fisherwoman's point of view.
I moved here from Tucson a year ago and fell in love with the city and people. I had a few setbacks but have moved on and I am now enjoying the city and what it has to offer, the biggest, being the lake. I don't own a boat, so my fishing is done from the bank. I do work full time and my hours and days off vary from week to week. I learned from the first day that fishing is fantastic here, and the channel is one good place to fish. There is one thing wrong: there are days I can't even think about fishing the channel because of the boats, and if I did happen to stake a piece of shoreline, I would soon be pushed out.
I believe that all waters in the U.S.A. are under federal control, and with all the boaters moored there during the holidays, at time, the waterway is in violation of federal laws. I'm not a lawyer, just a Simple woman who enjoys the outdoors. I don't want to be one of the many good citizens here who have surrendered the lake and the channel to the massive visitors every holiday weekend. You stopped the parking of tractor trailers and have cleaned up the parking along Lake Havasu Avenue. I'm sure we can do something to make the channel a place where I can fish. We are a growing city and need to start addressing exactly this type of problem. Stop being afraid to step on someone's toes. Enforce the laws we have; we don't need more.
Val Payne
Lake Havasu
928-453-5310
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ROFFLMFAO!! These people have expressed these opinions publicly and would probably enjoy hearing from you.

RiverToysJas
07-09-2002, 05:07 PM
So beause these people want to "enjoy" the water EVERYDAY, we can't have even one day! Yeah, that's reasonable. Could someone remind me what country this is again?
RTJas http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

lawbreaker2
07-09-2002, 06:59 PM
sound to me the tree hugers are moving in, this is a rec. town dont like it leave!!!

B-rad502
07-09-2002, 07:55 PM
Does anybody out there have any cheese to go with their whine??
A lot of people think it's their own lake, yeah, whatever!
Blah, blah, blah, blah........

riverracerx
07-10-2002, 09:52 AM
Tell her to stay home, buy a goldfish and throw her pidly line in his tank and ask him if he likes it. Then tell her to go north for the summer with the flock of bluehairs.
More gas, more power, more speed. Get out of my way!

MrHavasuCat
07-10-2002, 10:08 AM
I laugh when I hear somebody use the term "visitor". First of all I tell them that I own a house in Havasu, so I am a little more than a visitor. And most of the people that I have met that live there have relocated (mostly from So.Cal.) from another place. They act like they are Havasu natives.
F them!!Havasu was built as a boating community. Maybe someone should call Val and tell here how Mcullough (sp) founded the place, and used the lake for his outboard testing.

RVRKID
07-10-2002, 10:25 AM
I didn't think fishing was allowed in the channel!! Would love to get a hook in my leg while standing in the water!!

1stepcloser
07-10-2002, 10:27 AM
An open letter to CF. I know that is your name because it's printed on the bow of your boat. I just want to apologize to you for using your river and lake on Saturday. I know that's your day, and I should be ashamed of myself.
Apology accepted. Hey, no hard feelings, OK? It's a big lake, and were more than willing to share.
Boy, you sure have a lot of boats. Really fast and loud too.
Yeah, we take our boating pretty seriously around here. Glad you can appreciate our hobby as much as we do!!
Stupid me, I thought you didn't go above the sand bar and, again, I got in your way. I just didn't realize that is the part of the river where you really open up.
Again, no hard feelings, dont take it so hard, like i said, we are always willing to share the lake. Yes, the river is where we tend to lay the throttle down, mostly due to the lack of traffic and generally better water conditions.
As for you turning in front of me without even so much as a casual glance behind you, ( I know, you dropped your beer and didnt want to spill the last of the two cases you had consumed during the trip) Sorry that I swamped you. I am just glad we didnt collide.
Anyway, The apologies are duly noted and accepted without restriction.
In the future, however, please drive more carefully, as your boat is much slower than most, and always look behind you before turning.

spectras only
07-10-2002, 10:38 AM
Just want to put my 0.02 worth here.Lot of people ,especially ones with water front property think they have the right to the water/access at their property.WRONG! Nobody will ever own the water,priod.It is federal property for ever.In tidal waters the government has set the property line 2 meters[ 6' for you guys in the states]past the high tide level.So anyone can pull their boat up the beach anywhere front of anybody's property legally.If the property owner is a lunatic and comes out with a 12 gauge http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif you still oblige to move on though and find a more tolerant property owner.I say this ,because here in B.C a lot of snobbish folks think you should F...Off from their popular cove when you decide to drop anchor .I think people are territorial just like animals http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

MrHavasuCat
07-10-2002, 10:51 AM
Spectra's
Is this true everywhere? I know there are private beaches north of the bridge in the channel at havasu. If this is true maybe I will have to try out their beach sometime http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
[This message has been edited by MrHavasuCat (edited July 10, 2002).]

spectras only
07-10-2002, 10:56 AM
Mrhavasu, If a beachfront is leased by a hotel/motel ,they pay the government for its use,hence they could ask you to move.I'm sure someone at the government level could fill you in on this one in your jurisdiction.

Havasu Hangin'
07-10-2002, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by MrHavasuCat:
...I know there are private beaches north of the bridge in the channel at havasu. If this is true maybe I will have to try out their beach sometime...
Do you think you'll be noticed? You're gonna need a big beach...
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy25.gif

MrHavasuCat
07-10-2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Havasu Hangin':
Do you think you'll be noticed? You're gonna need a big beach...
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy25.gif
Maybe I should just pull up and act like I own the place. Maybe they won't say anything http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif
Spectra's, It is actually a condo complex and there are signs that say private beach.

ROZ
07-10-2002, 11:08 AM
He left his phone number. Anyone feel like giving this guy a call. You know, an interview of his viewpoint for an online publication.
1st question: Is your refrigerator running?
2nd question: Are you gay?

HoJoe69
07-10-2002, 11:25 AM
I wonder what brings in more revenue for the city, $2.40 a gallon gas, $8.99 a 12-pack, $240 dollar a month Storage fee's, $109 a night motel rooms, or $1.25 container of fish bait? Get a life fisher f&*ck you've got 200 miles of coastline there to chose from!
Sorry I just can't handle anymore of these peoples sniveling!!
Joe

spectras only
07-10-2002, 12:11 PM
MrHavasucat, I've friends with waterfront properties with docks .They didn't get permit to build them and it's not enforced "yet" to get a permit.However if the government decides to collect a fee or add extra tax for improvement [like adding an inground pool versa portable one],they would either pay a fee or would have to remove the dock .Also beware of leased lands,we don't have treaties with the indians like the us,so buying a leased land here[be it 50 or 100 yrs ]is a huge risk ,because the government could decide to give the land back to the native indians in a wink.It happened right here in the greater vancouver area.People with beatiful homes are facing a huge land tax now payable to the natives , their homes are rendered worthless ,because nobody would buy them now.Condos own the beach property but I would guess boatcop might be able to answer your question if they [boatcop&company] have the authority to remove your butt[cigarette http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif] unless you make a disturbance.He should chime in on this one.

Chestah Cheetah
07-10-2002, 12:22 PM
I "heard" at the river, when building a dock you don't actually own it. It's supposed to be real tough to even get permission.

Havasu Hangin'
07-10-2002, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by spectras only:
...to remove your butt[cigarette http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif]..
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy28.gif

1stepcloser
07-10-2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by ROZ:
2nd question: Are you gay?
Roz, I have been away for a while, and I have read several threads this morning, did, uh, how can I put this, You have a revelation regarding your sexuality in the past couple of weeks? You seem to be fixated on a "gay" theme.... http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif

spectras only
07-10-2002, 12:37 PM
CC, my friend's dock at Skaha Lake is removable ,so he can take it out if he wants to,and having paid a licence for it he could untie your boat from it if he wants to http://free.***boat.net/ubb/eek.gif.But he couldn't keep you off from mooring front of his property or walking at the edge of the beach ,called "foreshore" = public land .Generally there's supposed to be public access every few hundred yards between string of homes, but a lot of home owners seem to defend their territory from landlubbers [Intruders http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif],hehe.
[This message has been edited by spectras only (edited July 10, 2002).]

ROZ
07-10-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by 1stepcloser:
Roz, I have been away for a while, and I have read several threads this morning, did, uh, how can I put this, You have a revelation regarding your sexuality in the past couple of weeks? You seem to be fixated on a "gay" theme.... http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif
AAaaaah, no. Just makin fun of this thread (http://free.***boat.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002933.html).
Sshh, I do think that 78Eliminator has some inner issues though. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

1stepcloser
07-10-2002, 01:24 PM
Thats the very one I was referring to...

RiverDave2
07-10-2002, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Chestah Cheetah:
I "heard" at the river, when building a dock you don't actually own it. It's supposed to be real tough to even get permission.
I've never heard of anyone having to get permission to build a dock in front of there own house. I know a lot of guys that are river front that have them. Then again I never asked either... Seems to me though that everyone that wants one has one.
RD
[This message has been edited by RiverDave2 (edited July 10, 2002).]

Boatcop
07-10-2002, 03:55 PM
Anyone doing any waterfront Improvement on the Colorado River has to get 2 separate permits. One from the County (The standard Building Permit) and one from the Army Corps of Engineers.
The County Charges for building permits, and the primary reason is to make sure that it's built right. Another reason is so they have a record of improvements, so they can pass the info on to the Tax assessor.
There is no charge for the Corps of Engineers permit, but they have strict standards on what kind of dock you can build, or any other improvements to the waterfront. Floating is preferred, and they don't allow "slip" docks anymore. The ones there already are OK, as long as they're in good condition. If they are removed for any reason, they can't be put back in and must be replaced with a straight dock or pier.
The property owners DO own the dock, and can prevent access and use by others. However, they must allow someone the use of the dock in an emergency, and allow public safety to use it whenever they need to.
I once had a guy give me a ration of $#!T for having a boat pulled over and tied to his dock. He was yelling at me, saying it was private property and to get the hell off his dock.
The next week he got a letter from the Corps of Engineers revoking his dock permit and ordering him to remove it. It took him several months and several thousand dollars in Lawyer's fees to allow him to keep the dock. With a provision that he apologize to us, and that the permit is in a permanent probationary status. Any other negative reports about him or his dock, and it's gone for good.
There are also limits on ramps, and how much material can be removed from or deposited on the shoreline/riverbed.
Any privately owned land along the waterfront is pretty much in the same situation. People CAN exclude others from their "beach", down to the "Historical high water line".
But where is that line? Do they mean the historical line before or after the dams were built? What about the channel? There is no historical "high water line", since the channel was dug out in the early 70's and the island isn't really an island, but a penninsula.
When Bob McCulloch bought the "island" back in the sixties, and then the Bridge in the '70s, he owned the land. When the channel was dug, the waterway was declared "navigable", but McCulloch retained ownership of the land underneath it. The subsequent owners of the land, also took title to those lands. So the "high water" provision doesn't count on the privately owned beaches (West side) within the channel.
The east side of the channel is state land, leased to the City, although the City is in the process of buying it from the State. (Using funds from a State Grant)
So, YES. The entities that own property in the London Bridge Channel CAN exclude others from their private property.
Alan
BoatCop (http://www.boatcop.com)
PS: Here's a link for permit info:
Army Corps of Engineers (http://www.spl.usace.army.mil/regulatory/water.html#E)
[This message has been edited by Boatcop (edited July 10, 2002).]

ROZ
07-10-2002, 04:03 PM
Alan, You are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks
BTW, Howz the bug runnin?
Thanks

RiverToysJas
07-10-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Boatcop:
The next week he got a letter from the Corps of Engineers revoking his dock permit and ordering him to remove it. It took him several months and several thousand dollars in Lawyer's fees to allow him to keep the dock. With a provision that he apologize to us, and that the permit is in a permanent probationary status. Any other negative reports about him or his dock, and it's gone for good.
Now that's funny and to think for about a week or so that guy thought he was the shit!
RTJas http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

paulinator
07-10-2002, 05:29 PM
People that write letters like this to the editor are ... gay. OOps, wrong thread!

Boatcop
07-10-2002, 05:32 PM
Roz,
The Bug's running EXCELLENT!!
I added some finned SCAT valve covers to help cooling. Even so, I limit my driving when it's in the 1-teens like it's been lately.
I'm going on vacation this Friday. Oregon for 2 weeks. Taking the towbar with me, just in case I come across that Ghia stored in the barn for 30 years, and the guy wants to get rid of it for a hundred bucks. (Yeah, I know I'm dreamin', but YOU NEVER KNOW?)
When I find another "project", I'll pull the engine in that. Stroke it out to about 2332, then put it in the Bug I got now. It'll be fun smoking ricers and Vettes off the line in a 200HP "stock" classic bug sleeper.
Alan
BoatCop (http://www.boatcop.com)

jordanpaulk
07-10-2002, 05:46 PM
There was a guy with a sleeper bug, and I don't remember what he had in it, that used to go out to Firebird for the Friday Night Drags a while back. Kinda funny watching a Corvette make a run and then leave the track without ever stopping cause he just got his ass handed to him by a 4 cyl. air cooled bug. Bug's license plate was something to the effect of "8aV8."
Jordy

ROZ
07-10-2002, 06:41 PM
I remember those days well. I had a Vette smokin 56' back in the late 80's. Plates read Snful1(sinful one). Love to do it again someday.....Especially with the parts that are available these days.
Keep an eye out for that Ghia AND microbus with the factory rag and safari windows http://free.***boat.net/ubb/wink.gif