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Skullinator
03-19-2003, 10:25 PM
Do you Agree with the presidents Actions

mbrown2
03-19-2003, 10:27 PM
Could have limited it to one question....A. Do you support the action?, B. Do you oppose the action?

Skullinator
03-19-2003, 10:29 PM
Sorry could have been one question,First time with the poll system.I will not make that mistake again

Skullinator
03-20-2003, 01:34 AM
Seems at this point we have 100% agreement with President Bush's Decision to make thing's right.

Jungle Boy
03-20-2003, 03:47 AM
Here is the opinion poll that I did at work last night over supper. I work in South America with a number of guys from all over the world and we got to talking about the whole situation.
3 - Americans, 2 from Texas, 1 from Oklahoma, they think it's wrong, but support Bush.
1 - New Zealander - wrong.
1 - Australian - wrong.
1 - Venezuala - wrong.
1 - Ecudaor - wrong.
1 - British - don't care.
2 - Canadian - 1 for, 1 against. eek!
1 - Peru - War?, what war? !! No shit..
That pretty much sums it up. All of us agree that there are probably worse threats in this world. I don't mean to get flamed over this, but just thought I'd share the opinions of some well traveled guys.

BigBoyToys
03-20-2003, 04:58 AM
I'm a little disturbed by this poll/topic. The question "do you support the President's action in Iraq" Is straight up BS! It ain't the "President's action". It is the United States of America action! No single person decided to take action against Iraq to secure our future peace and freedom in the USA.....WE ALL DID WHEN WE VOTED! That is a freedom we have and are trying to maintain. As far as the support thing, what we need to support is our troops! Rather than marching on the State Capitol or putting anti-war slogans in shoe polish on your back window,(I've seen both and think it's BS), WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! It don't matter whether you agree with the action or not, you're not gonna change it so quit protesting. But we MUST support the troops! I find it interesting that the pre-war polls show a support margin of 2-1 yet the only ones you heard about in the media is the anti-war gang. More BS
Let me ask the anti-war folks this, do you want to deal with the Iraqi dictator now in Iraq with troops from the mightiest military force in the World EVER? Or would you rather deal with the results of a Iraqi supported (weapons and $$) action by a terrorist group... on the streets of the USA with Police, Fire, and Ambulance personnel?

Wet Dream
03-20-2003, 06:25 AM
After looking at the results, I'm trying to figure out who the moron is that supports him and opposes him at the same time?

shockwaveharry
03-20-2003, 06:51 AM
Jungle Boy:
1 - Peru - War?, what war? !! No shit..
Funny thing about Peru. During the Gulf War I was in South America, 99% of the time in Peru. I was there literally from the day it began to the day it was over, 6 weeks. The only way I could find out what was happening was to call home for updates. No news about the war at all.

rivercrazy
03-20-2003, 08:40 AM
I was really hoping military action could be avoided. Our actions there will not help our reputation in the middle east and with some other regions of the world.
While I believe our current administration is handling things perhaps a bit too firmly, it appears that no manner of diplomacy was going to work. Too many conflict of interests in the UN and a nut ball who never reflected any logic in his thinking or actions.
I support our government and military 100%. I wish them total success and safety. One of my best work friends was called up from the Army Reserve and he is there right now. I just hope all our guys and gals come back safe to their families. My buddy has 3 young kids a great wife at home waiting for him.

MJ19
03-20-2003, 08:50 AM
Appears there are some supporters on this site :)
Poll Results:
Do you Support US Action in Iraq
(51 votes.)
Do you Support Presidents Action in Iraq
Yes 100% (51)
No 0% (0)
Do you Appose Presidents Action in Iraq
Yes 4% (2)
No 96% (49)

Froggystyle
03-20-2003, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by Rivercrazy:
...handling things perhaps a bit too firmly, it appears that no manner of diplomacy was going to work. Too many conflict of interests ...and a nut ball who never reflected any logic in his thinking or actions.This sounds like something I said a couple of days ago! :D :D

Hallett19
03-20-2003, 09:48 AM
I absolutley agree with what he is doing, I know its not our country but they have resources that are in our interest and they are making it hard on us to get oil, which I think is a major reason we are over there. However, the other reasons are the obvious ones, the support of terrorism, the tyrany of his regime and the stealing of the money from the people and taking it all for himself, Iraq can be a good nation with someone else at the helm. I just think its so funny that there are so many anti americans everywhere in these nations, do they like being led my a damn tyrant ? I don't think these people are evolved enough to run their own country, I think that is why there is so much shit going on over there, seems like Israel is the only sophisticated nation over there. They have all these resources that make them TONS and TONS of money, and they are still 3rd world countries!! They need better direction and that is our interest over there, to better direct the resources and liberate the people, in my opinion. I think we all need to support what the Pres decided to do for a few reasons, 1)He wont change his mind because a bunch of damn hippies sit in the middle of a busy intersection, get up hippies !! 2)He is our leader and if we are one nation, we need to work as a whole to make this whole nation run right, so pull up your skirt if you don't think we are doing the right thing and stop making it so hard for your country to do its job. 3) In the long run, I think this is a good thing, oil prices will fall, we might make another friend in the middle east like we did Kuwait.
By the way, according to the UN, Iraq was not supposed to have SCUD missles, well, look what they are shooting at us now in defense to our attacks..... I bet Hans Blix feels like a total tool right now.
Godspeed to our troops :cool:
(should I put my flamesuit on?)
[ March 20, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Hallett19 ]

LiL' Devil
03-20-2003, 11:30 AM
SCULLY,SCULLY,SCULLY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Her454
03-20-2003, 11:45 AM
HELL YES IM FOR IT. This is very long, but worth the read...
Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like"stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush
Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to Urban Legends.Com and see the truth.)
Vice President Dick Cheney
Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)
She is a Fellow of the AmericanAcademy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.
Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.
In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.
In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So, who are these pompous, outspoken celebrity critics?
What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their education and background:
Barbra Streisand
Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher
Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen
Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange
Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin
Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts
Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn
Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon
Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner
Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney
Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore
Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker
Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston
Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell
Completed High school
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo
Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman
Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost,
not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his high school diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

MJ19
03-20-2003, 02:16 PM
I forwarded your info to a few 'acting' friends I have down in the LA area :D I'm sure they'll appreciate it...hee, hee... :p wink :D

Seadog
03-20-2003, 02:43 PM
Do I support the President and our troops? Of course
Do I feel that this war was necessary? Yes
Do I think that this is going to make us unpopular with other cultures? Unfortunately yes
Do I thank God for a President that follows his convictions and not the polls or interns? Every Day!

bordsmnj
03-20-2003, 04:35 PM
In a few days all those dueche (sp?) bags will be sitting around in hoolywood giving themselves awards for achieving so much. I will not punish my poor tv by viewing that crap. F#@k those Idiots. Do i support war, the president, our troops etc.? YOU BET YOUR ASS I DO. And to hell with anyone or anything that doesn't.
you take away the oil with which to drive fancy SUVs limos and whatever else these "stars" have and they'll change thier tune in a day. Oil doesn't just get used for gasoline either. our whole economy wouldn't suck without it.It would cease to exist. Anyways,thanks for hearin' my .02 and thanks be to God for that we have troops fighting FOR US. Bless them all.
[ March 20, 2003, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: bordsmnj ]

77charger
03-20-2003, 04:37 PM
I support his actions and believe he is going to get the job done right.He sticks to something til it is done.

MJ19
03-20-2003, 06:19 PM
bordsmnj:
In a few days all those dueche (sp?) bags will be sitting around in hoolywood giving themselves awards for achieving so much. I will not punish my poor tv by viewing that crap. F#@k those Idiots. I never watch those awards shows...they're lame! :rolleyes:

Skullinator
03-21-2003, 12:48 PM
Politic's always get people excited. Two things i do see happening is gas prices stopped going up and the stock market is on it's 8 day of incline.

ed bullock
03-21-2003, 04:03 PM
lets not support these actors or actress by going to the movies. lets go boating instead and spend our hard earned american dollars on fuel. why do so many people look up to these morons? you always hear of what a great actor someone is but you never hear of the scientist of the world. maybe americans as a whole can work on not being so narrow minded.

bordsmnj
03-21-2003, 04:24 PM
That's a big 10-4,Ed. smile_sp

MJ19
03-21-2003, 04:42 PM
ed bullock:
lets not support these actors or actress by going to the movies. lets go boating instead and spend our hard earned american dollars on fuel. why do so many people look up to these morons? you always hear of what a great actor someone is but you never hear of the scientist of the world. maybe americans as a whole can work on not being so narrow minded. DITTO ~ I'm all for spending money on fuel for boating! :D Not to mention, You're 100% correct about the scientists. We should be teaching our children to value those that deserve the recognition!!! :)
My little friend (she's 9...no blood relation, but calls me Auntie)..her daddy is an actor and recently bought one of those hybrid cars...she thought it was ugly. I laughed...but her mother kept pressuring her to like it, by saying things like: Cameron Diaz has one, etc...naming off various celebrities who have these cars...Finally my little friend gave up and said 'I guess it's alright' :( ...I was sick...the thought of forcing the value of stardom on your child to take away her personal opinion and automony...it was sad! :( At the age of 9, she should have the right to her own opinion! :cool:

Mrs Big Boy Toys
03-29-2003, 07:37 AM
I support our President 100%
I support our Troops 100%
I support our Allied Troops 100%
The anti-war protesters here should be ashamed of them selfs. Our troops are out there protecting us and our freedom.I guess they want terrorists to come over here again with no notice and kill our people.Remember 9-11-01.To those other country's that are against us well to darn bad.The country's that are against us are the ones we have helped out in the past and this is the thanks we get ... burningm If it was up to me the next time they need our help we should say "OH sorry we just don't have the time to help you and we really don't appreciate being stabbed in the back." Where were you when we needed your support? :rolleyes:
There may be some thought to this. . . . .
Here's the plan:
1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their
affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini and the rest of them
good old boys'. We will never "interfere" again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. So from now on they can handle their own problems.

sandblasted
03-29-2003, 08:05 AM
New jersey Town bans yellow ribbons!!!!!! :mad:
http://www.trentonian.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7524241&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=502176&rfi=6
I's so sick of this bullshit...This is anti-americanism at it's worst. The entire local government needs to be ran out of town on a rail..
almost makes me wish I lived in New jersey just so I could give these a-holes my opinion of them in person! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

JetBoatRich
03-29-2003, 08:13 AM
I saw that on the news last night, what is up with that :mad:
Freedom of speech
[ March 29, 2003, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: JetBoatRich ]

rrrr
03-29-2003, 12:00 PM
Seadog:
Do I thank God for a President that follows his convictions and not the polls or interns? Every Day! NO SHIT!! (caps are needed here) I am so effing happy that our country is being run by people of honor and conviction instead of focus groups and polls.
I hate to say it, but lately the average American seems to be an overweight, TV watchin', no geography knowing, ignorant of world politics, what's in it for me, sissified blame it on someone else, personal responsibility shirking JACKOFF!
I sure as hell don't want that kind of influence affecting my future. I hope this antiwar crap has a huge backlash for the Democratic party. In fact, the GOP should be asking Diane Feinstein right now if she agrees with people in SF holding signs about "shooting their officers". I'd like to hear what that POS has to say. burningm