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MagicMtnDan
10-14-2003, 04:34 PM
from the Wall Street Journal today, 10/14/03, Alan Murray's column, "Political Capital."
"Mr. Schwarzenegger wants the state to take 25% of all the gambling profits of its American Indian tribes - the same percentage paid by the Connecticut tribes to their state. That is big money. The 40 or so tribes now operating casinos in California pay the state a paltry $140 million a year, but have profits estimated at about $5 billion - more than half as much as the profits of all the casinos in Nevada. The Schwarzenegger proposal would net the state $1.25 billion or more a year."
"The problem is that American Indians don't pay taxes. They live in autonomous regions, yet can vote in U.S. elections. And even more importantly, they can lobby and make campaign contributions - something they have done prodigiously in recent years."
"They were the biggest money players in the recall effort, contributing $11 million - more money than any other interest group. They attacked Mr. Schwarzenegger from both sides, giving roughly $8 million to Democratic Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante, and another $3 million to anti-tax conservative Senator Tom McClintock."
"In addition, the tribes engaged in head-on combat with Mr. Schwarzenegger, running ads to counter his, on the Indian gambling proposal. He accused the tribes of playing "money politics in Sacramento," contributing $120 million to politicians in the past five years. The tribes struck back with ads saying gambling has put them "on the road to self-reliance, with a brighter future for our children...We're thankful to leaders like Cruz Bustamante and Tom McClintock, who listened to our plight and helped us."
"If this were a movie, Mr. Schwarzenegger now would march into the casinos and demand his share of the cash. As governor, however, he will find it more difficult, because his predecessor - who, by the way, received more than $1 million of campaign contributions from the tribes - signed 20-year agreements granting 61 tribes a gambling monopoly and getting little in return. And Mr. Schwarzenegger may find it impossible to reopen these sweet deals."
""Gray Davis gave away the store," says I. Nelson Rose, a professor at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, California, and an expert in gambling law. "He negotiated a terrible agreement." The new governor's only hope may lie in negotiating better deals with the 30-some tribes still waiting to get their casinos approved."
"The tribal casinos shouldn't be allowed to wield enormous political influence on the one hand, while claiming sovereign exemption from taxation on the other. They ought to pay their fare share of the financial costs of a state that they try so hard to control politically."
"Or to put it another way: No representation without taxation."
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Note: These are excerpts from the article and while it's close to the whole thing it is not.
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Is it just me or does Gray Davis' "negotiation" of the Indian gambling deals smell a lot like Gray Davis' "negotiation" of the long-term energy deals?
I've said all along, now that the scumbag is headed out of office, the REAL truth will begin to emerge and only now will we all find out just how bad things really are here in California.
Gray Davis should be hung for what he's done to this state.
(The $11 million they threw at Bustamante, Davis and McClintock and others was pocket change!)

CA Stu
10-14-2003, 04:43 PM
Undo the agreements and tax the shiznit out of them.
Casinos are basically a license to print money, fer cryin' out loud!
CA Stu

Mandelon
10-14-2003, 04:46 PM
Governor Mandelon would send his CALTrans crews out to dig up the roads that lead to the casinos.
5 guys and 1 shovel, if you know what I mean. Oooops, sorry. We had to close the casino's freeway offramp for repairs.......
Ooops, sorry. the water lines need to be replaced. Your water will be off for 8 hours a day 6 days a week until it is done...
Oooops, sorry. We have to upgrade the electrical and phone lines. Might take a couple of months. Those outages can be unpredictable......
devil devil devil

chub
10-14-2003, 05:01 PM
OOPS the wire transfer went to my/our/an offshore bank acount......sorry! :p

Mandelon
10-14-2003, 05:14 PM
Make the access roads to them toll roads!!! Put tariffs of food and liquor sold or transported onto tribal lands...there are plenty of ways to get some of their money....I know, we could all ride in on horses and just shoot them and then burn their teepees, then take their land....Oh wait, did that. Nevermind. :rolleyes:

SandbarScot
10-14-2003, 05:49 PM
How many of you voted "NO" on Prop 5, which legalized Indian Gaming? I did. All this crap was on the horizon. :mad:

wsuwrhr
10-14-2003, 06:20 PM
All I'm sayin is, Nevada, to my knowledge, still collects no state income tax from it's citizens.
So what is the loophole? Higher sales tax? Or is it as good as it sounds? No state income tax due to the enormous profits generated directly and indirectly by the casinos.
Brian
(wishes it wasn't so hot in Nevada)

waterwitch
10-14-2003, 06:42 PM
Nevada residents do not pay state tax, the
casinos pay it. The tax on sales is 7.75%.
I think that if an Indian is an American,
he and his family should have the same
rules as we do. I understand what happened
to them in the past, but isn't it time we
are all equal on this matter?
I am all for Tribal Casino's cause my husband
works for a company that builds them He is on the
new one out at Cabazon Ca. They keep us living
in our lifestyle, but let me tell you---
we pay out our ass in taxes.
Just a thought. :D

waterwitch
10-14-2003, 06:51 PM
Thanks for posting this---I think it
was interesting!

OGShocker
10-14-2003, 06:52 PM
SandbarScot:
How many of you voted "NO" on Prop 5, which legalized Indian Gaming? I did. All this crap was on the horizon. :mad: I did! Screw them and their guilt trip commercials! :mad: and while I am at it F**K Davis :D

Dr. Eagle
10-14-2003, 07:37 PM
wsuwrhr:
All I'm sayin is, Nevada, to my knowledge, still collects no state income tax from it's citizens.
So what is the loophole? Higher sales tax? Or is it as good as it sounds? No state income tax due to the enormous profits generated directly and indirectly by the casinos.
Brian
(wishes it wasn't so hot in Nevada) No you are correct. The property taxes are a little higher on a percentage basis, but the property values are for the most part far lower (my father in law and son both live in Vegas), sales taxes are same or lower, NO INCOME TAX, auto license is higher than ours before the rates were trippled...bottom line...it is much cheaper to live there. And the weather in Northern Nevada (Carson Valley, Reno, etc.)is pretty damn nice, with a winter though.
[ October 15, 2003, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Eagle ]

Dr. Eagle
10-14-2003, 07:45 PM
MagicMtnDan:
from the Wall Street Journal today, 10/14/03, Alan Murray's column, "Political Capital."
As governor, however, he will find it more difficult, because his predecessor - who, by the way, received more than $1 million of campaign contributions from the tribes - signed 20-year agreements granting 61 tribes a gambling monopoly and getting little in return. And Mr. Schwarzenegger may find it impossible to reopen these sweet deals.
""Gray Davis gave away the store," says I. Nelson Rose, a professor at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, California, and an expert in gambling law. "He negotiated a terrible agreement." The new governor's only hope may lie in negotiating better deals with the 30-some tribes still waiting to get their casinos approved."
""Or to put it another way: No representation without taxation."
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Note: These are excerpts from the article and while it's close to the whole thing it is not.
-------------------------------------------
Is it just me or does Gray Davis' "negotiation" of the Indian gambling deals smell a lot like Gray Davis' "negotiation" of the long-term energy deals?
I've said all along, now that the scumbag is headed out of office, the REAL truth will begin to emerge and only now will we all find out just how bad things really are here in California.
Gray Davis should be hung for what he's done to this state.
(The $11 million they threw at Bustamante, Davis and McClintock and others was pocket change!) Yes. Gray Davis' negotiation skills or selection of negotiators is more than suspect. I have said it before, the state cannot negotiate purchase agreements for pencils and erasers and not get hosed. Obviously they can't negotiate operating agreements either...smells funny...and not ha ha funny either.

Troubles No More
10-15-2003, 07:21 AM
Governor Mandelon would send his CALTrans crews out to dig up the roads that lead to the casinos.
5 guys and 1 shovel, if you know what I mean. Oooops, sorry. We had to close the casino's freeway offramp for repairs.......
Ooops, sorry. the water lines need to be replaced. Your water will be off for 8 hours a day 6 days a week until it is done...
Oooops, sorry. We have to upgrade the electrical and phone lines. Might take a couple of months. Those outages can be unpredictable......
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I think this is a great plan.
You have my vote in the next Governor race.
[ October 15, 2003, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: Dogred ]

eliminatedsprinter
10-15-2003, 08:01 AM
I'm all for Indian gaming, however Davis's deals stink of his usual corruption and his tendency to appoint extremist activist hacks to key positions.
Ie, in his first term he appointed a hack to oversee cal trans who openly advocated reducing traffic congestion by setting punitivly high tolls on all roads and charging punitively high parking rates around all coorporate and industrial areas. His chief environmental advisor has openly advocated cleaning the air by making gas prices go to >$15 per gallon. I don't know about you, but I don't consider either of these people public servants...

Dave C
10-15-2003, 08:56 AM
Wow, eek! Indian Gaming is such a rackeet! If you or I did this would be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.
They don't pay much in taxes. $140 million for 5 Billion profit? Thats 2.8%. (thats 2 x property taxes)
This sovereign nation nonsense is a bunch of P.C. garbage. They still use services just like everyone else so they should pay their fair share of taxes.
This failed negotiation by Davis due to special interest money is a text book example of why we got rid of him. Davis screwed up the energy contracts too. (buy high, sell low eek! )
Its funny how the Bay Area liberals cannot understand why the people kicked Davis out. The libs up here accuse the people of making the wrong choice. (ha ha ha..)
We did the right thing. We are going to pay from Davis' corruption for years to come.

eliminatedsprinter
10-15-2003, 09:07 AM
I hope Arnold doen't make the same mistake Bush made by keeping too many of the hacks from the previous administration. I hope he cleans house and gets rid of as many Davis appointees as possible A.S.A.P.

Dr. Eagle
10-15-2003, 09:11 AM
eliminatedsprinter:
I hope Arnold doen't make the same mistake Bush made by keeping too many of the hacks from the previous administration. I hope he cleans house and gets rid of as many Davis appointees as possible A.S.A.P. A-FRIGGIN-GREED!