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03-23-2003, 09:00 PM
Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the
President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who
will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like"stupid",
"morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in
Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's
look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders,
and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush
Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard
Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National
Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975
and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on
November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election
victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive
four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In
1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the
African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He
won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that
Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to
win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron
and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being
lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to
Urban Legends.Com and see the truth.)
Vice President Dick Cheney
Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two
years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional
fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with
individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's
vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on
Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President
Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of
the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative
goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great
demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our
military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the
United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City
College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology.
He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army
second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic
achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George
Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S.
and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian
awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens
Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished
Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal.
Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he
holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the
U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Congressional Assistant to Rep.
Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69;
Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity,
Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO,
1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the
President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief
of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He
earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his
first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S.
Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the
Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law
Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District
Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the
first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was
overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta
Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the
University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of
International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice
enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with
a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's
Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University
of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced
degrees are also in Political Science.)
She is a Fellow of the AmericanAcademy of Arts and Sciences and has been
awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University
of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford,
she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms
Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a
Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.
Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip
Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain
Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has
written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S.
Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and
2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the
period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she
served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of
Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a
Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.
In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign
Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on
Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the
boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab
Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of
Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San
Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of
the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in
East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the
Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula.
In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as
Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation,
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the
National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula
Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born
November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree
in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and
her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the
University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of
Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse
College in 1991, the University of Alabama 1994, and the University of Notre
Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So, who are these pompous, outspoken celebrity critics?
What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in
National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express
their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the
intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their
education and background:
Barbra Streisand
Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher
Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen
Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange
Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin
Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts
Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn
Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon
Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner
Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney
Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore
Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker
Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston
Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell
Completed High school
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofalo
Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman
Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should
also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even
hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to
information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the
threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting
governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI,
Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies
around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of
the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way
as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views
and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The
silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a
pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian
Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic
out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were
ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost,not a peep was
heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own
soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while
going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war.
Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White
House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE
and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the
manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world
peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence
that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining
nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They
believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass
destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will
eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since
they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine
the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war
and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently
thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we
were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn
fancy himself a diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from
war? Does he believe that his high school diploma gives him the knowledge
(and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal
dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that
he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in
a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of
their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare
they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more
bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their
views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond
memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace
in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism
striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains
strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware
of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and
join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real.
We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe
by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength
and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi
regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from
unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped
them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn
around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the
strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

DogHouse
03-23-2003, 09:25 PM
Great post, thanks.
-brian

058
03-23-2003, 09:36 PM
I can think of alot of people that should read this.

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 10:02 PM
While I don't agree or disagree with your post, I'm just compelled to remind people that there is a difference between being "smart" and being "educated". The smartest man that I ever knew, and yes, I'm biased, was my Father (God rest his soul); and he didn't finish his froshman year in high school. The man had a good grasp on all things that go on in this life! I have had opportunities to work with "okies", "hicks", "shadetree mechanics", and many others of "lesser education", and I have worked with college grads, MIT engineers , and people of "higher learning", and I have found that while many think they're smarter because of a degree, they're not! Education does not necessarily = smarter. Judge a man or woman by their actions and thoughts, not their "papers". Afterall, a pedigreed (papered) dog will crap in your yard just like a mutt! :)

beer hunter
03-23-2003, 10:05 PM
DogHouse:
Great post, thanks.
-brian My thoughts too :)

Kilrtoy
03-23-2003, 10:16 PM
Some of the stupidest people I have ever worked with have B.A's and M.A.'s. But they have a piece of paper that makes them better than you, just ask them.

Dog
03-23-2003, 10:32 PM
Whats wrong with "Okies"?

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 11:39 PM
Dog:
Whats wrong with "Okies"? Not a damn thing! I'm a California-raised OKIE myself! Born in Guthrie a long, long time ago! It's just a term that many use for a dummy. They just don't know that we're everywhere and are takin' down names and everything they say!
:p

Dog
03-23-2003, 11:44 PM
wink
I thought i remembered seeing somewhere a long long time ago on the boards that you were an "Okie".

Seadog
03-24-2003, 06:24 AM
The CA meaning to Okie is way different than our meaning. We have a word for Californians, but it would be ****.

beached 1
03-24-2003, 06:26 AM
TRYING TO HELP - ARTICLE IN NEWSPAPER BY DENNIS MILLER
All the rhetoric on whether or not we should go to war against Iraq has
got my insane little brain spinning like a roulette wheel. I enjoy
reading
opinions from both sides but I have detected a hint of confusion from
some of you.
As I was reading the paper recently, I was reminded of the best advice
someone ever gave me. He told me about the KISS Method (Keep It Simple
Stupid). So, with this as a theme, I'd like to apply this theory for
those who don't quite get it. My hope is that we can simplify things a
bit
and recognize a few important facts.
Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an opinion on this
important issue:
1) Out of President Bush and Saddam Hussein.....Hussein is the bad guy.
2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right thing, keep
this
in mind -- they have Libya heading the Committee on Human Rights and
Iraq heading the Global Disarmament Committee. Do your own math here.
3) If you use Google Search and type in "French Military Victories,"
your reply will be "Did you mean French military defeats?"
4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No war for oil," sue your school
district for allowing you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of
the education you deserve.
5) Saddam and Bin Laden will not seek United Nations approval before
they try to kill us.
6) Despite common belief, Martin Sheen is not the President ---
he only plays one on TV.
7) Even if you are anti-war, you are still an 'infidel' and Bin Laden
wants you dead too.
8) If you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" but not in the
danger that Hussein poses, quit hanging out with the Dell computer
dude.
9) We are not trying to liberate them.
10) Whether you are for military action or against it, our young men
and
women overseas are fighting for us to defend our right to speak out --
We all need to support them without reservation.
I hope this helps..