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BUSTI
08-11-2003, 02:02 PM
I just returned from 10 days in Laughlin and Lake Mohave! What a vacation! While leaving town Saturday morning about 9 of us stoped at the Dennys coffee shop in Bullhead City to have breakfast. During our breakfast about twelve pieces of shit gang banger type latino dudes (towing pwc's behind slammed mini trucks with hydraulics) showed up and the shit talking was on. It was very crowded and the hostess was doing her best to get every body a seat as soon as she could. She even asked people standing and waiting if they wanted a complimentary beverage for being patient.
She recommended to the fu#$ing menure gang tribal tatted bandana wearing co^k suckers if they wanted one and if were willing to take two tables or break up their party they would get served faster. They were so rude and loud to this woman and they tried to intimidate her and the people in front of them. Some people left and as they did these jerk offs said shit like good I'm glad you are going by the way your wifes to fat to eat here any way holmes...or some shit like that. Several guys in our party were about to intervine when 3 older gentleman walked in and the pieces of shit shaped up immeadiately.
I would say that these men were about 55 to 65 years old. Not to big 5'9" to 6 foot and weighed around 165 lbs. They were dirty like they had been working in the hot sun in the dirt I suspect. Their levis were dusty and cowboy boots were red with dirt. One wore a cowboy hat and the other 2 NAPA AUTO baseball caps which were all dirty and sweaty. They wrinkled and tanned dark, one was either Mexican or Indian. As they strode in to Dennys they asked for a booth and said they would wait for the service and would take a cup of coffe as they waited along with ice water. Noticing there were no seats on the lobby sofa seats because the fu%#ing pieces of shit occupied all the seats one of the old timers asked the end seated gang banger if he would kindly surrender his seat to an old lady that was overweight and just looked she needed to get off her feet. Not surprisingly the piece of shit complied and the restuarnt was silent of their fu$@ing shit mouths for the rest of the morning and they were very well behaved to boot.
YOU SEE THOSE THREE OL'TIMERS WERE ALL PACKING WESTERN STYLE REVOLVERS ON THEIR HIPS HOLSTERED LEGALLY!
Now don't tell me a armed society isn't a more polite society! :D

MagicMtnDan
08-11-2003, 02:07 PM
That's awesome! I'm exhausted seeing this happen and it affects us in so many aspects of our lives. Weak ass dirt bags who have no backbone individually gang up and give the rest of us law abiders a hard time just because they don't respect themselves and sure as shit don't respect others.
Whatever it takes to get them in line and shut up makes me very happy. And if that involves toting around pistolas on our hips well then so be it. The silent majority deserves to be respected especially by lowlife POS.
[ August 11, 2003, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: MagicMtnDan ]

UBFJ #454
08-11-2003, 02:30 PM
The "6 footer" is actually 6-1", weighs more than he looks and "packs" a Rugar 454 Casale ... rather handy with it too. He's 59, never gets really riled and is pretty much a gentleman ...,

Dave C
08-11-2003, 02:39 PM
that would never happen in California.
Rather the gang bangers would start a fight, get taken out, then they would blame their beating on a bunch of "racists," even though they weren't racists, who would then be arrested and prosecuted under hate-crime statutes.
The media would convict them before their trial. Following their acquittal, east LA would burn from the impending riot.
Isn't Cali great?

BADBLOWN572
08-11-2003, 02:51 PM
An armed society is a safe society. You would think twice about jumping some one or robbing them if you thought that they could have a gun. I often carry one in my car or in the boat (yes illegally), but some of the places I go I am a big minority and always outnumbered. For work, I freequent downtown Los Angeles quite often and I am always approached by someone who is asking for money and other handouts. I drive a nice truck in the not so nice of areas. Some of my friends have actually been carjacked in the areas I am in before. I don't worry about carrying a gun because 1) first offense is a mistermeanor, 2) a cop should have no reason for probable cause to search my car, 3) I have filed for a concealed weapons permit, and 4) I would rather have a gun and need one than not have a gun and need one. Luckily, I have never hit the point that I have needed one, but I feel that it is better to have one and have the option than to know you are in a situation and unable to defend yourselves.

Chase
08-11-2003, 02:59 PM
BADBLOWN572:
An armed society is a safe society. You would think twice about jumping some one or robbing them if you thought that they could have a gun. I often carry one in my car or in the boat (yes illegally), but some of the places I go I am a big minority and always outnumbered. For work, I freequent downtown Los Angeles quite often and I am always approached by someone who is asking for money and other handouts. I drive a nice truck in the not so nice of areas. Some of my friends have actually been carjacked in the areas I am in before. I don't worry about carrying a gun because 1) first offense is a mistermeanor, 2) a cop should have no reason for probable cause to search my car, 3) I have filed for a concealed weapons permit, and 4) I would rather have a gun and need one than not have a gun and need one. Luckily, I have never hit the point that I have needed one, but I feel that it is better to have one and have the option than to know you are in a situation and unable to defend yourselves. This is a non issue for us Canadians, and I wish it wasn't, since there is no way we can carry a peice, but reading what you have written, it brings up the question of now that you have one would you actually use it if the time arose..probably..??..now what...are you the one in shit??. I can see this getting into a very deep opinionated topic, since there are so many ways of looking at it. You are probably saying yes..since it is better than being dead....What if someone used your piece on you?? Just a few questions I thought of..
Don't take this the wrong way since if given the opportuntiy I would carry one too...

Havasu Cig
08-11-2003, 03:07 PM
BADBLOWN572:
An armed society is a safe society. You would think twice about jumping some one or robbing them if you thought that they could have a gun. I often carry one in my car or in the boat (yes illegally), but some of the places I go I am a big minority and always outnumbered. For work, I freequent downtown Los Angeles quite often and I am always approached by someone who is asking for money and other handouts. I drive a nice truck in the not so nice of areas. Some of my friends have actually been carjacked in the areas I am in before. I don't worry about carrying a gun because 1) first offense is a mistermeanor, 2) a cop should have no reason for probable cause to search my car, 3) I have filed for a concealed weapons permit, and 4) I would rather have a gun and need one than not have a gun and need one. Luckily, I have never hit the point that I have needed one, but I feel that it is better to have one and have the option than to know you are in a situation and unable to defend yourselves. "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six"

ACCEPTENCE
08-11-2003, 03:19 PM
I like that!!! wink
""Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six""
I like that alot :D :D

BADBLOWN572
08-11-2003, 03:20 PM
It is true, it is a topic that is double sided. However, out here (in Los Angeles) 90% of the people that are carrying guns illegally are those who are a burden to society. I feel that if anyone wants to 1) pass a background check, 2) take a safety course, 3) demonstrate that they can use the gun properly, and 4) take responsibility for their actions when using the gun, they should be allowed to carry one. Maybe if good law abiding citizens were allowed to even the score a little, people would think twice about doing something that could get them shot.

mickeyfinn
08-11-2003, 04:30 PM
Just north of Atlanta is a town called Kennesaw. About 10 years ago they passed a law requiring all Homeowners to own a gun. The crime rate in that town has dropped to almost zero. The law is unenforced and maybe not even constitutional, but it has never been challenged. Evidently just having the criminals know that the government has directed homeowners to have a gun seems to have convinced them to look elsewhere for victims.
gun law (http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/laws/us/ga/kennesaw.html)

wsuwrhr
08-11-2003, 05:02 PM
Havasu Cig:
[QUOTE]"Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" I have heard that before, and I can't say I disagree.
Brian

MagicMtnDan
08-11-2003, 05:48 PM
BADBLOWN572:
An armed society is a safe society. You would think twice about jumping some one or robbing them if you thought that they could have a gun. I often carry one in my car or in the boat (yes illegally), but some of the places I go I am a big minority and always outnumbered. For work, I freequent downtown Los Angeles quite often and I am always approached by someone who is asking for money and other handouts. I drive a nice truck in the not so nice of areas. Some of my friends have actually been carjacked in the areas I am in before. I don't worry about carrying a gun because 1) first offense is a mistermeanor, 2) a cop should have no reason for probable cause to search my car, 3) I have filed for a concealed weapons permit, and 4) I would rather have a gun and need one than not have a gun and need one. Luckily, I have never hit the point that I have needed one, but I feel that it is better to have one and have the option than to know you are in a situation and unable to defend yourselves. Just a question...if you get pulled over for speeding, etc., do you tell/not tell the officer that you have a firearm in the vehicle? Just wondering how you handle it (I'm guessing you don't tell).

mickeyfinn
08-11-2003, 05:56 PM
MagicMtnDan:
BADBLOWN572:
An armed society is a safe society. You would think twice about jumping some one or robbing them if you thought that they could have a gun. I often carry one in my car or in the boat (yes illegally), but some of the places I go I am a big minority and always outnumbered. For work, I freequent downtown Los Angeles quite often and I am always approached by someone who is asking for money and other handouts. I drive a nice truck in the not so nice of areas. Some of my friends have actually been carjacked in the areas I am in before. I don't worry about carrying a gun because 1) first offense is a mistermeanor, 2) a cop should have no reason for probable cause to search my car, 3) I have filed for a concealed weapons permit, and 4) I would rather have a gun and need one than not have a gun and need one. Luckily, I have never hit the point that I have needed one, but I feel that it is better to have one and have the option than to know you are in a situation and unable to defend yourselves. Just a question...if you get pulled over for speeding, etc., do you tell/not tell the officer that you have a firearm in the vehicle? Just wondering how you handle it (I'm guessing you don't tell). You definitely tell the officer that you have a weapon. Around here it is not uncommon and they appreciate you telling them instead of them finding it. Even if it is legal.

Kilrtoy
08-11-2003, 08:49 PM
Just a question...if you get pulled over for speeding, etc., do you tell/not tell the officer that you have a firearm in the vehicle? Just wondering how you handle it (I'm guessing you don't tell).
Why do you have a gun in the car, Why do you want to tell the cop, to get a piece of cold steel stuffed in your ear, with a 9mm only 5.6" from your brain....
What are you crazy.....

jus a baker
08-11-2003, 09:09 PM
gun control is bing able to hit your target, most people i know (incl myself) have a ccw permit, and ive noticed your whole attitude changes when you are packing, for some reason nobody seems to pull that gangbanger shit, even if they have no idea you have 11 reason they shouldn't **** with you. its a strange thing. But then, we must be some gun packin backwoods hicks!
take utah (the highest gun owning per cap, imagine that) florida and other states that have carry laws, the crime rate is a hell of alot lower than states that dont allow most law abiding citezins to carry. Do gun laws stop law breakers from having guns?

BADBLOWN572
08-13-2003, 09:02 AM
I have not been pulled over yet with a gun in the car and if I do there is no way in hell that I would tell the cop. That would be asking for a free pair of silver bracelets. Why would I? The cop should have absolutely no probable cause to search my vehicle. If they asked if they could I would say no and if they said why not, I would say that it is my constitutional right to say no and that they have no probable cause. However, when I do get pulled over, even if I do not have a gun in the car, I make sure that I turn on the overhead light, roll down the window, and place both hands palms up on the steering whell. Officers appreciate that because they feel that you are not hiding anything. Just be cool and there should be no reason for them to search your car.

Tee
08-13-2003, 10:34 AM
I have a CCW permit. I have been told by a law enforcement freind that if you have a CCW permit in Utah, and are driving a vehicle that is registered to you when pulled over. He already knows you are a permit holder before he walks up to the car. He also stated that it is very appreciated when you tell them you have the gun.
I always just have my permit with my DL and hand them both to him at the same time. I tell him where the gun is in the vehicle. I usually just get a "Thanks, just leave it where it is" and the normal trafic stop proceedure continues.

126driver
08-13-2003, 10:58 AM
If you choose to carry a firearm then it's your responsibility to know the law, know how to shoot and handle the weapon competently, and know that the confrontation isn't necessarily over after a shot has been fired and a target down. I don't know about other states but in AZ I would definitely tell an officer about a weapon in the car, and if you don't have a CCW make damn sure the weapon either isn't concealed or is properly locked up. If you have a CCW hand that to the officer along with your license even if you aren't carrying. And if you're serious about carrying a personal protection weapon then you should get training and be practicing on the firing range on a regular basis.

jus a baker
08-13-2003, 12:11 PM
for some reason cops seem to act a little nicer when you had them a ccw permit, but mayby its just me. Ive only had an officer ask to see my gun twice when getting pulled over, yep usally its "just don't touch it"

BUSTI
08-13-2003, 01:16 PM
I encourage all of you to get a copy of a recent publication regarding guns and crime by Johm Lott the title is "More Guns Less Crime". He is not a right winger with a cause..he is an economist.. a scientist and a mathematician who studied the facts and has come to a very enlightened conclusion! The more guns the law abidding citizens have the less crime there is! The numbers of crimes foiled as a result of the good guys defending themselves with guns is so overwhelmingly evident no rational person would deny us the right to carry guns except liberals that are blinded to the facts 'cause they have a socialist agenda that can not allow them to be confused by the truth! So they choose to ignore the facts.
A not so recent study in England evaluated the incident rate of personal crime against policeman in all western countries. Those countries that the regular beat cop is allowed to carry a gun openly or conceled is almost never the victim of violent crime such as murder, rape and or theft at the point of a gun.(on duty violence arresting crimminals not with standing) And the rate of crime aginst police offciers that are not allowed to carry guns is almost identical to the general population eg. plumbers, shoe salesman, boat dealers ect. NOW LETS SEE WHY? Could it be that the bad guys are smart enough to know that if they try and jack a LAPD officers walet that they may get shot? Or is it they just respect the uniform and the badge? Bullshit!! If we law abidding Californians were allowed to apply and easily obtain the right to wear a side arm the fu#%ing gang bangers wouldn't try and steal from us either. To deny that crime wouldn't go down if we could carry guns is just plain stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And costs lifes every day:mad:

Thunderbutt
08-13-2003, 01:38 PM
I agree with you on carry a gun, I awayes do. But my question is if thoes gun guy's weren't there would you have done anything about these jerks? Here we have a place full of people and five or six guys come in and start some shit. Doesn't it remind you of 911 when the same amount of guys took over a plane with

Thunderbutt
08-13-2003, 01:43 PM
I agree with you on carry a gun, I awayes do. But my question is if the gun guy's weren't there would you have done anything about these jerks? Here we have a place full of people and five or six guys come in and start some shit. Doesn't it remind you of 911 when the same amount of guys took over a plane with BOX CUTTERS, like drywall knives. Give me a break. You better have more then a drywall knife before you want to take me down. So why didn't you gather a few good men and kick there ass?