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superV
10-25-2002, 07:51 AM
http://www.bajamarine.com/images/outlaw20_pop.jpg
With everyone looking at new rides lately, I cant help but wonder why more people are not looking at this boat. I know its a production boat, but it is 20k less than any socal boat of its size, and the quality is unreal! And you can get it with a pump? Do not under estimate this boat it is a good fast hull with ex. construction. Not trying to hype it up just wondering why no interest. :confused:

superV
10-25-2002, 08:01 AM
O.K. Im waiting to get flamed! So carry on.... :D

superV
10-25-2002, 08:26 AM
No will play wif me? frown

Steamin' Rice
10-25-2002, 08:43 AM
Actually, this looks like a lot of boat for the money and it probably is a good 1st time performance boat. Some of the guys from Dick Simon Marine recently took one of these on a trip to Catalina and back to show that the boat can make it...

superV
10-25-2002, 08:47 AM
I agree and it really performs well w/350 they r running in the low 60mph stock. You can put alot of power in these boats. There is a guy in LOTO running 80+ blown same motor! So just think what a BBC would do for it!PLus a 5yr warn.

spectras only
10-25-2002, 09:13 AM
The bottom line is ,it's a production boat with a max limit on engine availability [HP wise].Baja builds better boats in the larger versions for offshore .A california custom boat can be built to take high cu engines without ill effect on the hull.My boat has 4 full length stringers [2X12's in the middle,2X8's outers]and wouldn't worry about a 1000HP engine torquing it wink .I think some of the delaminations [I'm not naming any manufacturers]come from over powering a certain hull,that's not rated for the increased HP.You don't see a bayliner,maxxum,arriva etc....with engines bigger than a 454 block.I know a fellow with the 25 Outlaw with high HP [he's running close to 80]and he said he wouldn't buy the same hull next time.He declined to tell me why!Maybe some other Baja owners can give you a better answer .
[ October 25, 2002, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: spectras only ]

superV
10-25-2002, 09:33 AM
S.O. I agree with most of what you are saying, but i do think some of these boats can handel the high HP. As far as stringers, you are right but how many people here have had to replace and/or rebuild or modify them?
P.S. You can get the outlaw 20' w/502.

spectras only
10-25-2002, 10:55 AM
superV , for the money there's nothing wrong with the boat.If I had a 20 Baja hull, I would build a stroker 383 for that boat rather than having a 502 in it.These hulls seem to bob like a cork on the water ,so I would opt for a lighter engine with good power that would yield good top speed.

superV
10-25-2002, 11:01 AM
Ya i agree i was just making a point that you can get them with Big Blocks. That would be a sweet set up.Its alot of boat for the $$$. Just think what you do with the extra money you saved, could have a nice tow vec. And the 383sbc blown!

Stupid Fast
10-25-2002, 12:58 PM
These are VERY popular in my neck of the woods. Of course I am about 60 miles from the factory. The Outlaws that I have looked at are VERY sturdy. The drawback is that the interiors are not as nice as a custom. In person the lines are not as nice either. You have to figure that for the money they are a very good deal though,
Eric

wishtoHB
10-25-2002, 04:32 PM
I have looked at used H2X's recently in Boat trader.
I do like the looks but, the 20 has no way to get in and out of the boat when it's in the water! If buying a new H2X or 25 Outlaw, you can order 425 HP.

RiverToysJas
10-25-2002, 04:53 PM
I didn't look at Baja when I was shopping, but I did look at Donzi. The 22' I think it was that I checked out at the Newport Beach dealer. BUT, it was not available in a 496. Small block only. Of course it was also more money than nearly all California customs in it's class.
If someone were on a tight budget and doesn't mind a production boat with taped graphics, it's probably not a bad deal.
RTJas :D

Jbb
10-25-2002, 05:04 PM
That boat was on display at a Poker Run I was at last month and it said the ONLY engine available was the Merc 5.0 I didnt even think they still made it

Jake W2
05-31-2005, 04:22 AM
I am not sure how old this is but I bought a 20.2 Outlaw on fri.I am pretty happy with it and nothing is ever fast enough is it.
It has a 5.0 Merc MPI 260 hp.and it runs around 60 mph.
It is for sure not a Calie custom hull but looks good in the water and performes pretty good.
I plan on doing some engine addons at some point.
The best part for me is the wife likes it and I can leave it in the water all week end.
They come with two diffrent swim platforms the chezzy plastic one and a alum bar type one that looks a little better.Mine did not come with one at all and i kinda like it that way but if i get one it will be the REX or Eddie type one.
Mine came with the performance package witch included the sunbrella cover,dept finder,stearing wheel mounted trim switch,corsa silencers(witch will come off).
It came with a nice tandem Heritage with brakes and painted to match the boat.
All in all it is afordable and I am glad I bought it.Got it from Big Thunder in LOTO.
Now time top sell the gullwing project.
Jake

Wild Horses
05-31-2005, 07:42 AM
I am not sure how old this is but I bought a 20.2 Outlaw on fri.I am pretty happy with it and nothing is ever fast enough is it.
It has a 5.0 Merc MPI 260 hp.and it runs around 60 mph.
I plan on doing some engine addons at some point.
Jake
Your going to find there is not alot you can do for this motor short of pulling it and putting in a real small block (350 - 5.7) :frown:
Clint

Jake W2
05-31-2005, 03:04 PM
Owell it does all rite with the fake small block.
Jake

superV
06-02-2005, 10:15 AM
Owell it does all rite with the fake small block.
Jake
Jake im in st.louis if you want to go boating shot me a PM :rollside:

Jake W2
06-02-2005, 01:43 PM
I boat just about or every other weekend on the 79 mile marker on LOTO.Where you boat at?
Jake

Jake W2
06-03-2005, 09:55 PM
Wild horses after your coment I got to thinking.I have found several things that I can up grade my 5.0 Merc with.Addon type items Lightning water jacked headers 1700,Trick flow alum heads 1000 for a pair,several diffrent intakes ect.Or is there something about a Merc 305 that wont accept thes things?
Jake

Wild Horses
06-05-2005, 05:50 PM
Wild horses after your coment I got to thinking.I have found several things that I can up grade my 5.0 Merc with.Addon type items Lightning water jacked headers 1700,Trick flow alum heads 1000 for a pair,several diffrent intakes ect.Or is there something about a Merc 305 that wont accept thes things?
Jake
In last months Hot Boat mag in the stern drive section. The expert (my mags at work can't think of his name) tells a guy with a 20 outlaw with the 5.0 (he lives just down the street from me) that the best thing to do for a 5.0 is to upgrade it with a 5.7 most bang for the buck. I bought a 320 hp 5.7 vortec marine motor for about $3200 a couple of years ago. Your heads and headers won't give you that much of an upgrade at that price. You will still have a 5.0 with a 5.0 rotating assembly.
just my .02
Clint

Jake W2
06-05-2005, 08:34 PM
Yea I hear you man.Like the man said above beter just to build a 383 or something like that.
Jake

Jake W2
06-05-2005, 08:53 PM
I looked up what you are talking about and your friends only running 53 is probely not the norm.
Mine has a 23 pitch prop and I think my gear ratio is diffrent than his and mine runs over 60 with 2 people and full of gas.Mine is running around 4700 or so rpm.the boat only has 6 hours on it that I put on it on memoral week end so I have not ran it all out yet or for very long.Is his the performance package deal if its not it may have diffrent gear ratio than mine.
I am talking with Mazco about a 4 blade SS that ought to give me better hole shot and better top end.Well see I need to run it some more to give then a better idea.
For guys wanting a decent boat for a decent price (look for a (new never used) 03 they are trying to off them rite now)I am really happy with my 20 Outlaw it does exactly what I thought it would.It is not a califorina custom but you do not pay for that either.you can get then for 23000 to 25000 (I have seen some advertized for 21000)with the performance package and trailer now that the dealers are expecting the new ones.They have colored hulls now(yellowand red) in an SE package but the price is stupid on thoes .
Jake

Wild Horses
06-06-2005, 05:56 AM
My friend boats at 4500' above sea level. It knocks the heck out of things, thats why I'm running a supercharger trying to keep things equal. :D
Clint

PLACECRAFT20
06-14-2005, 11:18 AM
I thought I would throw in a couple of pics of one I did an engine swap on for a customer. We used a GM crate 430hp 350 and a 150hp shot of N.O.S.
The boat now runs about 79mph gpsed on the motor but it is so sqirley you cant use the juice. I think it would run way up in the 80s if it would handle right.
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/252duke2.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/252duke3.JPG
http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/522/252duke1-med.JPG

Wild Horses
06-14-2005, 01:55 PM
Thats what I've been talking about. Looks very nice to me nothing wrong there. :D
Clint

Jake W2
06-15-2005, 05:32 PM
They look short and stubby in pics of them they look better in person.How does he like the trim tabs?
Jake

PLACECRAFT20
06-17-2005, 01:06 PM
Tabs did not realy help the boat handle any better. If you lower them enough to take the sqirleyness out it slows the boat down.

P P R
06-25-2005, 08:27 AM
This boat runs mid 80's on 5psi,and 90 with 7psi. When the water gets rough this boat really gets fun. It is for sale and only because iam getting a bigger cat.http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/2576DSCF0058.JPG

Jake W2
07-28-2005, 01:33 PM
PC 20 what pitch and make prop was he running 79 with in the 20?
Jake

CAHotRodBoy
07-29-2005, 02:09 PM
I bought a brand new Outlaw 20 in 2003. They only come with the 5.0/260HP and Alpha. I was living in So Cal near the coast at the time and ran off shore with the "big boat" guys. I loved the 20 but it was too small for big water and I got a Cigarette. I now live in Henderson and sold my Cig. I'd consider buying another Outlaw 20 but would upgrade to a 383 stroker and bravo. I don't how long an Alpha would live behind a bigger motor. The only thing I didn't like about the boat was that it would tend to lean over when "flying" the boat. I think the torque of the motor would make it twist when out of the water. Tabs may have helped.
Also swapped out the 23 for a 21 Mirage and it made a big difference, especially out of the hole.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cahotrodboy/detail?.dir=/f3c5&.dnm=c1d5.jpg&.src=ph

CAHotRodBoy
07-29-2005, 06:03 PM
Baja also now makes a 23' Outlaw. This boat is very nice and is more like the bigger Outlaws with a cabin and 24 degree deadrise. It also can be equiped with a 496 MAg or HO and I think maybe even an HP500. It's a lot more $ though. I think with a 496 HO your looking at $65K.

Jake W2
07-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Yea I bought a 23 pitch HP4 Mazco 4 blade.Its taking a few more rpms than I would like still need to do some testing befor I have them change the pitch or cup yet.
As far as the 23 foot Outlaw I think they look weird really tall and stubby looking, they really do not look rite untill the 29 footers.It like they wanted a really rough water boat so they put a 29 foot bottom on it and cut out the middel witch makes it look stubby.The 20s kinda look that way also.I think they hit the nail on the head with the 220 sports they made back in 85 to 89 if they would have updated the deck they would really have something.
I was looking for a 220 Baja Sport or a 23 Warlock world class when I bought my 20 Outlaw.Now the (1990to 95) 23 Warlock world class is a nice looking hull.
Jake