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Her454
04-10-2003, 06:50 AM
Any Gun dealers or law enforcement that can tell me what is the quickest way to obtaining a Concealed Weapon Permit for the state of Calif?
Also, is Arizona still classified as a Right to Carry State?
Thanks.

Blown 472
04-10-2003, 06:50 AM
From what I have seen, you have plenty of weapons already concealed. :D :D

HammerDown
04-10-2003, 06:52 AM
Blown 472:
From what I have seen, you have plenty of weapons already concealed. :D :D I know I should'nt...but I'll second that eek!

Her454
04-10-2003, 06:55 AM
Thank you, Im flattered :D

Blown 472
04-10-2003, 06:55 AM
Everyone has already seen you with your knife. eek!

Her454
04-10-2003, 06:56 AM
Blown 472:
Everyone has already seen you with your knife. eek! Its not for a knife though.... wink

Jordy
04-10-2003, 06:59 AM
Arizona allows you to have a weapon anywhere in your car, as long as it's in a holster. Not in a holster, it has to be in the glovebox. As far as carrying it, it must be visible. I got my CCW when the first started doing them 7 or 8 years ago and never renewed it. There's only a few months a year that you can carry concealed in Arizona anyway. The whole class was pretty much of a rubber stamp, meaning if you couldn't pass, you probably shouldn't have anything sharper than a crayon to begin with.

Blown 472
04-10-2003, 07:01 AM
Chicks wif hand cannons, how cool is that??? any chance you could pose in a swim suit with it? eek!

Her454
04-10-2003, 07:02 AM
jordanpaulk:
Arizona allows you to have a weapon anywhere in your car, as long as it's in a holster. Not in a holster, it has to be in the glovebox. As far as carrying it, it must be visible. I got my CCW when the first started doing them 7 or 8 years ago and never renewed it. There's only a few months a year that you can carry concealed in Arizona anyway. The whole class was pretty much of a rubber stamp, meaning if you couldn't pass, you probably shouldn't have anything sharper than a crayon to begin with. Good, then things havent changed since I lived there. Now, about California.....?

Jordy
04-10-2003, 07:05 AM
I didn't think you could have guns in Kali... or at least not in the same car with the ammo... :D

XTRM22
04-10-2003, 07:06 AM
Arizona is still a "right to carry" state although to carry concealed you must have an Az Concealed Carry permit. It's easy for a resident to get, 16hrs of class, a back ground check and about 150.00$. I would venture to guess that if you had a Cali. concealed carry permit that Az wouldn't cite you for carrying concealed as long as it's not a surprise. Nevada used to recognize an Az permit, not sure if they still do. The key whether your licensed or not, is to not let it be a surprise, most police officers (at least in western states) are fine with it as long as they know where it is, at least while in a vehicle.
good luck
Chuck

XTRM22
04-10-2003, 07:10 AM
oops, Jordy types faster then I do. :D
from the Department of Redundancey Department.
Chuck

Jordy
04-10-2003, 07:14 AM
There is reciprocity with like 16 states now for the CCW's. I know Nevada and Texas are two of them and quite a few back east.

Windy
04-10-2003, 07:18 AM
Just do a search on the internet. Im sure you will find all the info you need...
http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/california
MissHBjet

Jordy
04-10-2003, 07:21 AM
XTRM22:
oops, Jordy types faster then I do. :D
from the Department of Redundancey Department.
Chuck I didn't know you were a state employee. Isn't the Department of Redundancey Department right next to the Department of Administration? :D

Jeremy
04-10-2003, 07:23 AM
[ April 10, 2003, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Jeremy ]

miller19j
04-10-2003, 07:42 AM
I know a few people with Concealed Carry licenses in California. Basically it takes an act of god to get one. Both the people I know have a true need and are well connected with the local sheriff. Basically the way I understand it is your local sheriff is the one that approves applications and you have to convince him you need one.
I would try to get a hold of your sheriff and explain you reason for wanting on. If you want one just to be able to carry without any other reason. Get ready to be declined.

STV_Keith
04-10-2003, 07:44 AM
I have a few states' CCW and Utah was about the easiest and cheapest to get. UT has reciprocity with AZ, so maybe that's one way to go.

SchellSchock
04-10-2003, 07:48 AM
..Your not allowed to carry a firearm on your person ever. If it's in your car the ammo and the gun must be kept in two diff. places. (glove box for the gun, trunk for the ammo). Both can't be accessible. Yeh, that way when you need it for defense you can throw the gum or the bullets, (which ever is closest).

Her454
04-10-2003, 07:52 AM
MissHBjet:
Just do a search on the internet. Im sure you will find all the info you need...
http://www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/california
MissHBjet Thanks Windy, that was very helpful! :D

XTRM22
04-10-2003, 09:11 AM
jordanpaulk:
XTRM22:
oops, Jordy types faster then I do. :D
from the Department of Redundancey Department.
Chuck I didn't know you were a state employee. Isn't the Department of Redundancey Department right next to the Department of Administration? :D 10-4 although I'm on the ballot for Governor of the Sate of Confusion!
Chuck

superV
04-10-2003, 09:37 AM
RiverDave:
Do you mind if I ask why you would want one?
I know for "personal protection" and what not.. I'm just curious if everything is ok up there in Northern CA land..
RD Post #7777 eek! are you "the beast" brother? devil
[ April 10, 2003, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: superV ]

Dog
04-10-2003, 10:01 AM
The best concealed weapons site i have found.
Packing.org (http://www.packing.org/)
They have state by state laws and a message board.
I should have read the whole thread before posting.
[ April 10, 2003, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Dog ]

Her454
04-10-2003, 10:40 AM
RiverDave:
Do you mind if I ask why you would want one?
I know for "personal protection" and what not.. I'm just curious if everything is ok up there in Northern CA land..
RD RD, Check your PM's.

Hallett19
04-10-2003, 11:11 AM
just put it in your purse and go. When was the last time a cop went through your stuff ?

Havasu Cig
04-10-2003, 11:31 AM
Like was stated above your local Sheriff has to approve it, and you must have a valid reason such as you carry large amounts of money for business ect...Personal protection only, without other articulable (sp) reasons is not valid.
Most are conditional as to the times that you can carry although you still see some that are unconditional. The only people I know, except for peace officers, that have unconditional permits have some connections with the local Sheriff's department. They are getting very hard to get.
Contact your local Sheriff's office and they can provide you with a form.

Blown 472
04-10-2003, 11:37 AM
Hallett19:
just put it in your purse and go. When was the last time a cop went through your stuff ? If he wants to tell him your purse is full of women type things. :D

Her454
04-10-2003, 11:59 AM
Havasu Cig, your exactly right. My small Redneck county is very difficult as I am finding out. Must fill out the app right there, then if the Sheriff approves, it is sent to the FBI, DOJ and I am fingerprinted. 92.00 first 2 years, 45.00 renewal every two years after and the gun must be on the DOJ's approved list. Still checking to see if mine is or not. Long process.

Blown 472
04-10-2003, 12:00 PM
Dont forget the fully body cavitiy search. :D

spectratoad
04-10-2003, 12:16 PM
Blown I take it is with the Department of Body Cavity Seaches (DBCS)?? :D

Tom Brown
04-10-2003, 12:42 PM
Her454:
Any Gun dealers or law enforcement that can tell me what is the quickest way to obtaining a Concealed Weapon Permit for the state of Calif?Was it my post in Bench Racers? Hey, that was just a joke. We've never met. eek!

Boatcop
04-10-2003, 02:52 PM
Sorry-Double post :rolleyes:
[ April 10, 2003, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Boatcop ]

Boatcop
04-10-2003, 02:52 PM
Not in a holster, it has to be in the glovebox. Bad info.
A firearm anywhere within easy access (including the glovebox) of a person in a vehicle must be in a holster, case or scabbard to be considered "not concealed".
Arizona does NOT recognize California Concealed Weapons permits.
The key word here is reciprocity. In order for us to recognize theres, they have to recognize ours. And that won't happen until they get the socialists out of the Kalifornia Assembly and Governor's mansion.
Technically, I could be arrested for having a concealed weapon in California. But I don't know many California Cops who would want to take a potential back up Officer off the street.
Arizona currently has reciprocity agreements with the following states:
Alaska
Arkansas
Kentucky
Michigan
Utah
Texas
You don't have to be a resident of Arizona to obtain a CCW here, but it is only valid in Arizona, or one of the states listed above. Also your training course has to be done in Arizona by a licensed CCW examiner.

Dog
04-10-2003, 04:03 PM
You can also get non-resident permits ... florida is easy to get and has the most reciprocity (sp?).
Arizona is pretty easy to get i believe but you have to take there class.
All the info on non-resident liscenes are on packing.org.

BigBoyToys
04-10-2003, 04:37 PM
Her454:
Havasu Cig, your exactly right. My small Redneck county is very difficult as I am finding out. Must fill out the app right there, then if the Sheriff approves, it is sent to the FBI, DOJ and I am fingerprinted. 92.00 first 2 years, 45.00 renewal every two years after and the gun must be on the DOJ's approved list. Still checking to see if mine is or not. Long process. You could have just called me and I could have given ya the info :rolleyes: Yes Traci, I am one of those "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" nuts :D Check out this link of my views on Gun Control http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1350/guncontrol.html
and for kicks, if ya want to see some OLD picks of Marina and the Family, check out this link http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1350 It was a website I started when in college and about the time that Marina and I met.
Now, back to the concealed weapons permit. It IS possible to get one in the State of California, but as you seem to have found out, it is quite a hassle unless you "know somebody". There are other ways around it though by utilizing some of our basic constitutional rights.... Ask me about it next time at the Lake or call me. :D wink
[ April 10, 2003, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: BigBoyToys ]

STV_Keith
04-10-2003, 05:57 PM
Reciprocity is a great thing. I currently have 3 CCW's (FL, UT & NV) and that covers me in 23 states. I can't WAIT for a national CCW license.

Her454
04-10-2003, 06:16 PM
Boatcop:
A firearm anywhere within easy access (including the glovebox) of a person in a vehicle must be in a holster, case or scabbard to be considered "not concealed".
Arizona does NOT recognize California Concealed Weapons permits.
Ok maybe Im missing something but Im still not clear if I get the permit, in either state, can the gun be loaded, IN a holster?
Scenario - Im driving thru AZ, with it in the console in plain site, full clip, holstered. I get pulled over and tell the officer immediately I have a weapon in the vehicle. I have a CALIF permit only.
Im getting the AZ permit in a couple of weeks..
same scenario backwards.
Am I going to need Bail Money? eek!
[ April 10, 2003, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: Her454 ]

Boatcop
04-10-2003, 06:33 PM
In Arizona anyone (except a prohibited possessor) can have a loaded firearm anywhere in the vehicle, as long as it's in a holster. No permit required.
If it's NOT in a holster, it must be in full view. (Although if I saw someone driving down the road with an unholstered handgun on the dash, I might just see what they were up to.)
If it's hidden from view in a vehicle, and NOT in a holster, then it is considered "Concealed".
You can carry a weapon your person, as long as some part of the weapon or holster is visible, and it can be identified as a weapon. However, if it is not visible, it's considered "concealed", and you must have a Arizona (or other reciprocity state) CCW permit.
If you have a weapon concealed, and all you have is a California CCW permit, then yes, you may need to have a few hundred bucks extra for bail. You'll also lose the gun until the case is over, and if found guilty, may lose it for good.
Arizona won't recognize California's permit, until they recognize ours.

vdrivenman
04-10-2003, 06:41 PM
why waste your time on the cc permit. carry a long gun (rifle or shot gun). that way you are not required to have the permit,and more likely to hit your target with a shot gun! No permits for long guns at least that is the way in TEXAS.
does the ca & other states drivers license's indicate that you have a conceal & carry permit. the TEXAS permit states either revolver or auto and you have to carry what the permit says.
hell everyone has a shot gun or rifle in the cab of their trucks.

Her454
04-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Thanks Alan. This is very frustrating trying to abide by all the rules and do this right, with risk of refusal from my local Barney Fife.
Frankly it makes me just want to say "screw the permit".

Dog
04-10-2003, 07:17 PM
STV_Keith:
Reciprocity is a great thing. I currently have 3 CCW's (FL, UT & NV) and that covers me in 23 states. I can't WAIT for a national CCW license. I can't wait for a nation wide CCW myself.
Just hope its during my life time. LOL

sam pioske
04-10-2003, 07:34 PM
Hi Nor. Cal: CCW's not that hard, does depend on local top law man. Son inlaw CHP, daughter inlaw deputy, they say shut up about ccw & gun if your stopped' What the hell good is a gun empty???
DO NOT get caught in S.F. With one. only bad guys allowed to have them there!

Boatcop
04-10-2003, 07:39 PM
I can't wait for a nation wide CCW myself.
Just hope its during my life time. LOL
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see it.
We're trying to get a Nationwide Peace Officer carry law. Where commisioned Peace Officers can carry weapons concealed in all 50 states.
We've been trying for the last several years, but some states (California being one of them) don't want to get on board.
Maybe this year we'll get it through, since Homeland Security is such a big issue and, after all, we're the first line of defense.
If a bill to allow POlice Officers to carry in all states can't pass, I don't think one to allow citizens to has a snowball's chance in Parker.

Jordy
04-10-2003, 07:49 PM
Boatcop:
Not in a holster, it has to be in the glovebox. Bad info.
A firearm anywhere within easy access (including the glovebox) of a person in a vehicle must be in a holster, case or scabbard to be considered "not concealed". That's what they taught us 7-8 years ago when I got mine. It all was based on legal reasoning going towards premeditiation in the event you were involved in a bad shoot and charges were filed against you. Premeditation takes a millisecond and one of the courts had ruled that the action of removing the weapon from a holster or glovebox was enough time warrant a higher charge, ie, 1st degree v. 2nd degree murder.

Jordy
04-10-2003, 07:59 PM
Not to split hairs with you here Alan, but this is the wording right out of the Arizona Revised Statutes:
"13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions
A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 (CCW law) except a pocket knife concealed on his person or;
2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation;
F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or partially visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation."
Now the way I read that bold part is it must be in a holster or within a storage compartment, of which the trunk or glove box applies. I know when I took the class we learned that you could get a ticket for a concealed weapon if it was sitting on the seat next you you out of the holster if you didn't have a permit. Or if you had a permit and your passenger didn't, same scenario, your passenger would get a ticket/free ride to the grey bar in for being in possession of a concealed weapon.

Kilrtoy
04-10-2003, 08:10 PM
Boatcop,
YOU must have never met California's finest.
THE CHP. They would take their own mother to jail if they could and im sure some of those guys have. As far as california not wanting to get on board there are reasons and very good ones. 1st reason: California has the best trained cops in the world, standards far exceed the national standard. 2nd: there are some states that are a head above mexico. They get hired and the next day they are on the street writing tickets and arresting people, WITH NO TRAINING. That is the main reason.

sandblasted
04-10-2003, 08:17 PM
Well the best way to get a concealed weapons permit in California is to be the following:
A famous movie star
and anti-war protester
and supposedly non-violent person
who also happens to be a convicted felon and spent time in jail..
His name: Sean Penn
He just had his car stolen in Berkely with 2 guns in it but thats ok because he has a concealed weapons permit...
so if you are a famous actor that hasn't done a good movie in 20 years and went to jail you can get concealed gun permit but the average Californian cannot, unless you jump thru all the hoops and know someone!

Kilrtoy
04-10-2003, 08:28 PM
Hey thats not right,
COLORS was 15 years ago.............

sandblasted
04-10-2003, 08:37 PM
Kilrtoy:
Hey thats not right,
COLORS was 15 years ago............. Ok, he made a good movie 15 years ago but Robert Duvall was much better in it...

Starloans
04-10-2003, 08:37 PM
vdrivenman:
why waste your time on the cc permit. carry a long gun (rifle or shot gun). that way you are not required to have the permit,and more likely to hit your target with a shot gun! No permits for long guns at least that is the way in TEXAS.
does the ca & other states drivers license's indicate that you have a conceal & carry permit. the TEXAS permit states either revolver or auto and you have to carry what the permit says.
hell everyone has a shot gun or rifle in the cab of their trucks. I like the 30-30s and 30-06s. But when I put them in my waseband it make me walk funny when I go in the bank! :D

C-2
04-10-2003, 08:56 PM
I have guns, enjoy guns and believe in every person’s right to own guns.
With a very few (and I mean few) exceptions, why would anybody need to carry a concealed gun?
I really can’t think of that many times in a person’s lifetime that you might have to consider using deadly force on another person.
I’m sure this will illicit numerous billy bad-ass responses about how the ole’ S & W saved their life..but come on, using common sense is also very effective…and that lack of it is what scares me about people carrying concealed weapons.
Keep in mind this is coming from somebody who owns eight guns.
C2<---------currently wearing an asbestos suit...if the flames don't get me the cancer will!

RiverToysJas
04-10-2003, 09:05 PM
C-2:
I have guns, enjoy guns and believe in every person’s right to own guns.
With a very few (and I mean few) exceptions, why would anybody need to carry a concealed gun?
I really can’t think of that many times in a person’s lifetime that you might have to consider using deadly force on another person.
I’m sure this will illicit numerous billy bad-ass responses about how the ole’ S & W saved their life..but come on, using common sense is also very effective…and that lack of it is what scares me about people carrying concealed weapons.
Keep in mind this is coming from somebody who owns eight guns.
C2<---------currently wearing an asbestos suit...if the flames don't get me the cancer will! You only need to be a situation where you need to use deadly force one time ever to make it worth your life or family's life. Now I have a question, who are you to decide what method is best to protect myself, my family, and my home?
Common sence isn't as common as it used to be either. wink
RTJas :D <-also a gun owner, but not a bad-ass, just a smart-ass. :p
[ April 10, 2003, 10:10 PM: Message edited by: RiverToysJas ]

C-2
04-10-2003, 09:17 PM
RiverToysJas:
C-2:
I have guns, enjoy guns and believe in every person’s right to own guns.
With a very few (and I mean few) exceptions, why would anybody need to carry a concealed gun?
I really can’t think of that many times in a person’s lifetime that you might have to consider using deadly force on another person.
I’m sure this will illicit numerous billy bad-ass responses about how the ole’ S & W saved their life..but come on, using common sense is also very effective…and that lack of it is what scares me about people carrying concealed weapons.
Keep in mind this is coming from somebody who owns eight guns.
C2<---------currently wearing an asbestos suit...if the flames don't get me the cancer will! You only need to be a situation where you need to use deadly force one time ever to make it worth your life or family's life. Now I have a question, who are you to decide what method is best to protect myself, my family, and my home?
Common sence isn't as common as it used to be either. wink
RTJas :D <-also a gun owner, but not a bad ass, just a smart ass. :p I am another gun owner telling you I am not confident in anybody's ability to make that decision. Your home is another thing, have at it!
I also agree on the common sense thing, which furthers my opinion.

RiverToysJas
04-10-2003, 09:21 PM
C-2:
I am another gun owner telling you I am not confident in anybody's ability to make that decision. This lack of confidence you have, is it stemming from a Red Rider accident you had as a child? Cause those things will put your eye out you know! wink :p
J/K! I hear you!
RTJas :D

C-2
04-10-2003, 09:34 PM
RiverToysJas:
C-2:
I am another gun owner telling you I am not confident in anybody's ability to make that decision. This lack of confidence you have, is it stemming from a Red Rider accident you had as a child? Cause those things will put your eye out you know! wink :p
J/K! I hear you!
RTJas :D Thanks for reminding me! I swear mom, I didn't mean to shoot him! I wonder what the shortest period of time is before a kid has his BB gun yanked for the first time? Bet somebody on here will have an answer for that. :D :D :D
See what ya done did Jas...overloaded the SCHB board and now none of them work eek! eek!

Kwicherbichen
04-10-2003, 11:03 PM
Cali has no reciprocity with anyone that I know of so you would be taking your chances.
As far as getting a CCW in Cali, it depends on location location location. Almost anywhere in So Calif you will be denied. I have seen a lot of CCW's from No Cal and other rural areas in eastern Cali. The best and most up to date info would probably be found at packing.org
Now if you know someone or you are an actor that's a different story. Take Robert Blake for example....CCW. He got his issued from the same department that most celebs get theirs.

RiverToysJas
04-10-2003, 11:32 PM
C-2:
See what ya done did Jas...overloaded the SCHB board and now none of them work eek! eek! No shit, I thought it could handle all of the traffic I was bringing it, I guess not!!! eek! wink :p
RTJas :D

Kilrtoy
04-10-2003, 11:46 PM
He got his issued from the same department that most celebs get theirs.
Who is that?..........CULVER CITY.........

Starloans
04-11-2003, 09:20 AM
Ok, here's a question.
What about not concealed?
Can you just go to work packing with a standard holster? Or maybe a shoulder holster on the outside of your clothes? As long as the gun is registered. Can't you have a gun in your vehicle as long as it can be seen? Can it be loaded?
What about at work? Seems like I heard one time the only place you can carry a loaded gun was in your home and at your place of biz. I wouldn't personally carry a gun at work. Some of my coworkers are a pain in the ass.
I don't think they should let postal workers pack at work either! jawdrop

Her454
04-11-2003, 09:53 AM
I work for the US Postal Service. eek!
J/K.

Boatcop
04-11-2003, 11:52 AM
As far as wearing a non-concealed weapon in Arizona, the law permits any person or business from prohibiting ANY weapons, on their own private property.
This includes restuarants, hotels, super markets, or stores, etc. The same goes for Government buildings. Most City, County and State Governments prohibit weapons within public buildings. Of course, there are exceptions for Certified Peace Officers.
Regarding the question of why some would want to have a concealed weapon, it comes down to the same reason WE carry them:
It's better to have it, and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
(Yes, you can quote me on that, but be sure to give me credit. :D )

Starloans
04-11-2003, 04:12 PM
Boatcop:
As far as wearing a non-concealed weapon in Arizona, the law permits any person or business from prohibiting ANY weapons, on their own private property.
This includes restuarants, hotels, super markets, or stores, etc. The same goes for Government buildings. Most City, County and State Governments prohibit weapons within public buildings. Of course, there are exceptions for Certified Peace Officers.
Regarding the question of why some would want to have a concealed weapon, it comes down to the same reason WE carry them:
It's better to have it, and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
(Yes, you can quote me on that, but be sure to give me credit. :D ) I always need my Colt 45 Double Eagle on my side when I go to the Supermarket. I damn tired of the unfresh produce especially the broccoli! :D
Have it and not need it? I believe that is called deterrence. Same reason we have a large military. I agree with that. I don't think anyone is going to F with me if they see a shiny 45 on my side. I think anyone should be able to carry a gun as long as they are not breaking the law or a felon.
I think the conceled part is a prob for law enforcement. If I were a cop I wouldn't want any old yahoo with a CW. Imagine some idiot, not necessarly a criminal, packing, and getting pissed off and just start shooting up the place.
I think the middle ground here is this, there should be a heavy school similar to peace officer academy, prove you are not a felon, background check, no prior anger management classes, no wife/GF beatings, etc. and I say you get to pack. Conceled or not conceled. I bet with a bunch of additional reasonable citizens packing on the streets everyday that it would help deter crime. IMHO.