The War/ Politics

[***boat]

At the request of a few forum members this topic is being created to try and stop the spawning of many threads on the same subject we have seen in recent days. Please post all stuff relating to current events and war here.
Thanks
***boat Admin
[ March 20, 2003, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: ***boat ]

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***boat:
At the request of a few forum members this topic is being created to try and stop the spawning of many threads on the same subject we have seen in recent days. Please post all stuff relating to current events and war here.
Thanks
***boat Admin Is that a direct order? Just kidding :D
By the way, when a marine asks an Iraqi soldier if he is surrendering does the iraqi respond "oiu"

[spectratoad]

Thanks ***boat, That will help to keep things a little more streamlined. Keep all the arguments in one spot too. :D

[***boat]

Do you want me to start a back stabbing and tough guy thread as well? (Off topic sorry :( )

[mbrown2]

***boat:
Do you want me to start a back stabbing and tough guy thread as well? (Off topic sorry :( ) LMAO...might help these days

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***boat:
Do you want me to start a back stabbing and tough guy thread as well? (Off topic sorry :( ) Hell no, it would just degenerate into something nice and pleasant.. :D

[HCS]

Can you make it "politics" and war?. Then make it "sticky" If you know what I mean. wink :cool:

[***boat]

That is a better idea, done.

[HCS]

Ok, I don't think!. I know, Barbara Boxer is stupid. :p

[burtandnancy]

Well, its 11:30 PM Thursday evening, and the news keeps hinting that we may have gotten Sadam and his sons with our first shot! Wouldn't that be something. I've got mixed emotions, I wanted to see a few of those "mother of all bombs" take out a few palaces, but don't want to see any innocents hurt. For a war, its been pretty boring but isn't that great...

[spectratoad]

I saw that on hte news. I have a hard time believing that saddam would have him and his sons in one place when he knew something was about to happen.
Wasn't it just a day or two earlier the news was saying that his sons were in charge of and located in different parts of the country? It would be awesome though to have hit our main target that quickly. :D

[mike37]

did I just see peace protesters beating some one up on the news ????

[HCS]

mike37:
did I just see peace protesters beating some one up on the news ???? The screwed up peace activist in San Fransico turned a protest into a riot. SF has really turned into a stomping ground for all the weirdos. Not that it always hasn't been, it just seems to be getting worse.

[HCS]

burtandnancy:
Well, its 11:30 PM Thursday evening, and the news keeps hinting that we may have gotten Sadam and his sons with our first shot! Wouldn't that be something. I've got mixed emotions, I wanted to see a few of those "mother of all bombs" take out a few palaces, but don't want to see any innocents hurt. For a war, its been pretty boring but isn't that great... If we got Saddam and his followers and convince the rest of the country that they lost and to give up, we win!. Why waste all are bombs, you might as well just leave them in there boxes. Psychological warfair just might win most of this war.

[Freak]

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[ March 21, 2003, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: Freak ]

[Freak]

Sorry for yelling - It's a cut and paste from Dennis Miller.
[ March 21, 2003, 06:33 AM: Message edited by: Freak ]

[hot_diggity_dog]

I support our president and our troops 100%. :D
I agree with your right to freedom of speech. wink
But there are times that it is in your best interest to not publicly state your opinion, as it will create a situation that is a lose lose situation. yuk
In these times support is needed. If you want to stand up and protest the war then protest against Iraq or Sadaam. argue
It gives the wrong impression when you state these types of opinions during WAR, that you are anti AMERICAN, whether you think it our not, that's how you will be perceived. eek!
I suggest in these trying and difficult times. idea
http://www.***boat.net/image_center/data/516/55stfu-med.jpg
And support our troops
GO USA
HDD :cool:
[ March 21, 2003, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: hot_diggity_dog ]

[MJ19]

mike37:
did I just see peace protesters beating some one up on the news ???? It's sooo screwed they are beating someone up over "PEACE" just like the people that blow up abortion clinics because they are killing...LAME
Practice what you preach!!! :D

[MJ19]

hot_diggity_dog:
It gives the wrong impression when you state these types of opinions during WAR, that you are anti AMERICAN, whether you think it our not, that's how you will be perceived. eek! I agree...by protesting the war during a war, you do appear anti-american.
I support our troops 100%, I support the UK troops as well as all the other allies.

[Freak]

Understood - but who is protesting? your perception is interesting. "nevermind" Just posting a Dennis Miller rant. I found funny so down it goes. I'm 100%. Airborne - Desert Storm vet. My bro too. :) So......
[ March 21, 2003, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: Freak ]

[superdave013]

Watching TV last night the amount of firepower & hardware rolling in was unreal.
I'm pretty proud to have had a hand in making these.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/48bradley_tow.jpg
[ March 21, 2003, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: superdave013 ]

[superdave013]

Freak:
Understood. Just posting a Dennis Miller rant. I found funny so down it goes. I'm 100%. Airborne -Desert Storm vet. My bro too. :) I sure agreed with all of what was in that post.

[MJ19]

Curious:
What do you guys think? Is Saddam Alive, Dead, Wounded? Was it Saddam or a body double in the tape?
...said that Parisoula Lampsos, who claims to be a former mistress of Saddam Hussein and has reportedly distinguished the Iraqi leader from body doubles many times, said that the man in the broadcast was not him.

[Freak]

I agree - most people will never really know how impressive those tanks are unless you ride in one. I think the best display to the general public is when that nut bag drove down the streets taking out steel light posts as if they were tooth picks. That was not a good day but if you just look at what that tank did with out effort. The power of those bad boys in every way is enormous.

[superdave013]

Freak:
I agree - most people will never really know how impressive those tanks are unless you ride in one. I think the best display to the general public is when that nut bag drove down the streets taking out steel light posts as if they were tooth picks. That was not a good day but if you just look at what that tank did with out effort. The power of those bad boys in every way is enormous. Yeah, and that was an old M60, just think of what an M1 could do.

[Freak]

I hope we got him. That way we can clean up and roll our troops out of there asap. I remember camp smelled bad because water was limited - so showers were limited - don't tell :) but mom would send Vodka in a scope bottle with blue food coloring. What a life saver. :)
[ March 21, 2003, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Freak ]

[Freak]

Yep - the new stuff is even better.

[fear the turtle]

I'm beginning to have a bit of optimism we got him, after the latest reports of him being seen carried out on a gurny. Unlike Bin Laden, Saddam is a bit of glory hound and likes the attention. The longer it goes without an appearance of him relating to a specific current event, the more it grows.

[Seadog]

The lack of communications with their troops and the absence makes me think that he is at least badly injured. Psyching out your opponent is very effective in any adversarial situations. Psyching out your opponent and having the ability to kick his butt ten ways to Sunday is fun.
Seriously, this has been the fastest any military has advanced in history. I suspect that they will get within containment range of Bagdad and settle in. After 2-3 days of a hard push, they will have to start giving the troops some time to get a decent sleep. While that is happening, the Iraqis will be given a chance to surrender or die. After a couple of days of showing off our missiles and artillery, we can go in with fresh troops.

[spectratoad]

Just in case there were any doubts why we are in Iraq or fight terrorism in general. wink http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/307Superstructure-med.jpg

[Froggystyle]

10:15 am
We just turned everything that has the name "Saddaam" or "Hussein" in it's title into rubble.
I wonder if the military is bringing a bunch of little booths and attendants with them to man all of these parking lots we just created.

[spectratoad]

We were watching that here at work too. Those were some impressive little mushroom growing in the middle of Baghdad.

[Jbb]

Tom Daschle..................ASSHOLE!
http://www.strangecosmos.com/9141.jpg

[Jbb]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/9137.jpg

[Ziggy]

Freak:
I agree - most people will never really know how impressive those tanks are unless you ride in one. I think the best display to the general public is when that nut bag drove down the streets taking out steel light posts as if they were tooth picks. That was not a good day but if you just look at what that tank did with out effort. The power of those bad boys in every way is enormous. We saw this happen in San Diego not so long ago, guy steals a tank and drives over everything he can, right thru RV's, cars, lightpoles, etc....disturbing thing to me was the fact he was able to just drive off with the damn thing. eek!

[Ziggy]

Anyone read about the dimwit that fell of the Golden Gate Bridge while protesting the war? Believe it or not, supposedly it was the second time he's fallen from it, this time fatally. :rolleyes:

[058]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
Tom Daschle..................ASSHOLE!
http://www.strangecosmos.com/9141.jpg ROTFLMFAO.....I bet he feels like a horse's ass right about now. As he should.

[Havasu Cig]

Seadog:
The lack of communications with their troops and the absence makes me think that he is at least badly injured. Psyching out your opponent is very effective in any adversarial situations. Psyching out your opponent and having the ability to kick his butt ten ways to Sunday is fun.
Seriously, this has been the fastest any military has advanced in history. I suspect that they will get within containment range of Bagdad and settle in. After 2-3 days of a hard push, they will have to start giving the troops some time to get a decent sleep. While that is happening, the Iraqis will be given a chance to surrender or die. After a couple of days of showing off our missiles and artillery, we can go in with fresh troops. We (1st Cavalry Division) moved 200 miles inside Iraq in one day during the gulf war while destroying Iraqi armor and bunkers. At the time it was a record, they even mentioned it on Fox news last night. How far are we into Iraq now? I have not been able to watch the news today.
Hopefully we can take Baghdad quickly, and hopefully Saddam is dead.
[ March 21, 2003, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Cig ]

[Seadog]

I don't know the details, just that one of the news generals(ret.) made that statement this morning. They did say that they were averaging 20-30 mph.

[MJ19]

LMAO...did anyone see the footage of them taking down the HUGE billboard of Saddam and the Iraqi (or appeared to be an Iraqi) was beating Saddam in the face with his thong while looking into the camera smiling...made me laugh! smile_sp :D smile_sp :D

[Havasu Cig]

Seadog:
I don't know the details, just that one of the news generals(ret.) made that statement this morning. They did say that they were averaging 20-30 mph. Wow...that is fast. They could reach Baghdad in one day at that speed from Kuwait.

[Jbb]

The Warthogs are coming!!!!
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9101.jpg

[Jbb]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9146.jpg

[bordsmnj]

Ziggy:
Anyone read about the dimwit that fell of the Golden Gate Bridge while protesting the war? Believe it or not, supposedly it was the second time he's fallen from it, this time fatally. :rolleyes: unbelievable! and he didn't even live to receive one of those trophies with only the stern of the horse on it! :p

[RaysonKid]

Hey Gang,
I got a little taste of just how much PATRIOTISM is going around right now.
The trucking company I manage has a contract with an Alaska ship line.
So today we had 30 pieces of militay equipment. That we unloaded from railcars and drove to the ship terminal.
It was about a 6 mile drive. We had two convoys of Hummers and troop carriers.
It was great to see people honking and waving.
Not knowing that we werent military. They just recognized the vehicles.
Makes you feel good after seeing all the protesters and flag burners on the news.

[GlastronGuy]

CNN is reporting that the entire 51st Division has surrendered.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/03/21/top.marine.saddam.poster.ap.jpg

[MJ19]

GlastronGuy:
CNN is reporting that the entire 51st Division has surrendered.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/03/21/top.marine.saddam.poster.ap.jpg Did you see the footage similar to the one of that soldier taking down the picture...when the iraqi started hitting Saddam's head with his flip flop? Cracks me up each time I see it! :D

[GlastronGuy]

Ya, that was great.
German newspaper translation (http://216.239.35.120/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,241641,00.html)

[bigq]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/506/107soilder2.jpg
LOL

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Froggystyle:
10:15 am
We just turned everything that has the name "Saddaam" or "Hussein" in it's title into rubble.
I wonder if the military is bringing a bunch of little booths and attendants with them to man all of these parking lots we just created. Looks like your brothers in the Seal Teams did another great job capturing the oil terminals. I'm sure thats just the tip of the iceberg of what they are doing in Iraq right now...

[sandblasted]

This just in from Fox News....Saddam Hussein has released a statement that he is in control and will soon unleash a counterattack..
On top of that Fox reported that he said George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld should both be hit with shoes! No kidding...Actually, thats a pretty harsh insult in Arabic countries but somehow I don't think Bush is too worried...

[Seadog]

While I realize that this is not all Canucks, but I got real upset when they booed the American Anthem in the game against the NY Islanders. I have to consider that extremely low class.
It pains me to see all the news about how the world hates us. Doing the right thing should not always be the the popular thing, but I have to feel that if the worthless French had not been so pro-Saddam the response would be a lot less violent. This is the problem with the UN. It allows the veto power to nations because of what they once were and not what they are now.

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Seadog:
While I realize that this is not all Canucks, but I got real upset when they booed the American Anthem in the game against the NY Islanders. I have to consider that extremely low class.
It pains me to see all the news about how the world hates us. Doing the right thing should not always be the the popular thing, but I have to feel that if the worthless French had not been so pro-Saddam the response would be a lot less violent. This is the problem with the UN. It allows the veto power to nations because of what they once were and not what they are now. Just remember this happened in Montreal, French Canada....The majority of english canada has no love for their own country men in quebec province...Now I don't either! :mad:

[Rexone]

MJ19:
LMAO...did anyone see the footage of them taking down the HUGE billboard of Saddam and the Iraqi (or appeared to be an Iraqi) was beating Saddam in the face with his thong [/b]while looking into the camera smiling...made me laugh! smile_sp :D smile_sp :D An Iraqi in a thong (or in this case not in it). You're scarin me MJ19 eek! eek!
:D :D

[Jbb]

Here is a link to some nice pix of the war effort!
War effort (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/871408/posts?page=47#47)

[Dog]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/292030321_war_04-med.jpg
A dust-coated Marine in southern Iraq used duct tape to plaster a scantily clad model to his fighting vehicle.

[MJ19]

Dog:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/292030321_war_04-med.jpg It's always the women that keep the men going strong :D

[MJ19]

Well women & duck tape that is wink :D

[GlastronGuy]

MJ19:
Well women & duck tape that is wink :D LOL

[MJ19]

Fox News just listed the names of the 6 soldiers that have died. Two of which were from Camp Pendleton. frown

[058]

MJ19:
Dog:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/292030321_war_04-med.jpg It's always the women that keep the men going strong :D One needs all the help they can get to stay focused on whats important. :D

[MJ19]

MJ19:
Fox News just listed the names of the 6 soldiers that have died. Two of which were from Camp Pendleton. :( Update: Now they are saying the 4 presumed dead, are not dead, they are injured. :) (smile is NOT for the 'injury' status, but rather for the 'Not-Dead' status)

[MJ19]

058:
MJ19:
Dog:
It's always the women that keep the men going strong :D One needs all the help they can get to stay focused on whats important. :D It is a known fact that sexual release is the #1 stress reliever for men...so hopefully this model knows what a great contribution she is making for our country wink

[GlastronGuy]

MJ19:
058:
MJ19:
Dog:
It's always the women that keep the men going strong :D One needs all the help they can get to stay focused on whats important. :D It is a known fact that sexual release is the #1 stress reliever for men...so hopefully this model knows what a great contribution she is making for our country wink Uh, what exactly are you saying?

[HCS]

I think they should put that up in place of Saddam's posters and billboards. :D

[058]

MJ19, If nobody has said thanks for all the posting you did on the war/politics, ect. Let me say thank you for your trouble.

[dossangers]

COMMANDER IN CHIEF http://content.clearchannel.com/timages/photo/default_13138_7.jpg

[dossangers]

SADDAM this ONES for YOU!!! http://content.clearchannel.com/timages/photo/default_13138_11.jpg

[Tom Brown]

Dog:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/292030321_war_04-med.jpg
A dust-coated Marine in southern Iraq used duct tape to plaster a scantily clad model to his fighting vehicle. I would think it would smell plenty bad enough in those Bradley vehicles without this?

[Tom Brown]

Seadog:
While I realize that this is not all Canucks, but I got real upset when they booed the American Anthem in the game against the NY Islanders.You can be sure that not even all canucks at the game were booing. A fairly small ratio of booers can sound like a lot.
Unless you're going to invade every country that expresses any opposition to what you're doing, you're going to have to take the good with the bad. Where I live, most of the opinion seems to be in favor of the invasion. There are some who oppose it, though.
Anyway, the Islanders deserve to be booed regardless of the current political weather. :D

[MJ19]

058:
MJ19, If nobody has said thanks for all the posting you did on the war/politics, ect. Let me say thank you for your trouble. Ahhh that was nice of you...thanks :)

[MJ19]

Has anyone else hear anything on this topic?
interesting comments from Walid Phares, a Middle Eastern Terrorism expert, on MSNBC
he is saying his sources are telling him that Iraq/Saddam have hired a French PR team and are in contact with them, the Europeans vis a vis this PR team are laying out Iraq's PR strategy, they are telling Saddam to lay low, stay quiet, do not use any weapons of mass destruction or do anything to change the tide of public opinon and they will save him via the United Nations

[HCS]

MJ19:
Has anyone else hear anything on this topic?
interesting comments from Walid Phares, a Middle Eastern Terrorism expert, on MSNBC
he is saying his sources are telling him that Iraq/Saddam have hired a French PR team and are in contact with them, the Europeans vis a vis this PR team are laying out Iraq's PR strategy, they are telling Saddam to lay low, stay quiet, do not use any weapons of mass destruction or do anything to change the tide of public opinon and they will save him via the United Nations That sounds screwed up! burningm I'm sure the US has full intension of going all the way. Saddam will not survive.

[GlastronGuy]

Want to watch Iraqi TV? (http://winmedia.ish.de/al-jazeera)
I hear some of the images are graphic.

[502procharger]

I know i am going to start something here but i am so god damn sick of people in our country protesting this war . Do people not realize the only reason they have there nice home and boats and such is because we live in a free country. God forbid we have to protect our freedom now and then. I don't care if there are underlying issues with the war like the oil, but guess what the main reason we are there is to protect our way of life. It is easy for some hillbilly that never seen first had as i have the devastation of terrorist attacks on our country. I am from ny and i was 40 blocks from the wtc when it all went down, i personally lost several friends and it really pisses me off when people are so ****ing worried about hurting innocent people over in Iraq or Afghanistan. So be it that is part of war. I know i am going to get a rash of shit for expressing my opinion, but that is just what it is, my opinion. If these people hate the fact that we have to protect out freedoms maybe they should move to France

[HCS]

I hear ya. War is ugly. But we need to fight to stay free.
It's always been that way and I'm sure It always will.
[ March 22, 2003, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: HARDCORE-SKI ]

[MJ19]

502procharger:
I know i am going to start something here but i am so god damn sick of people in our country protesting this war . Do people not realize the only reason they have there nice home and boats and such is because we live in a free country. God forbid we have to protect our freedom now and then. I don't care if there are underlying issues with the war like the oil, but guess what the main reason we are there is to protect our way of life. It is easy for some hillbilly that never seen first had as i have the devastation of terrorist attacks on our country. I am from ny and i was 40 blocks from the wtc when it all went down, i personally lost several friends and it really pisses me off when people are so ****ing worried about hurting innocent people over in Iraq or Afghanistan. So be it that is part of war. I know i am going to get a rash of shit for expressing my opinion, but that is just what it is, my opinion. If these people hate the fact that we have to protect out freedoms maybe they should move to France Why do you think you would catch a rash of shit from this forum when you state that? :confused: This forum seems to be mostly in support of the troops and their mission. :cool:
[ March 22, 2003, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: MJ19 ]

[MJ19]

GlastronGuy:
Want to watch Iraqi TV? (http://winmedia.ish.de/al-jazeera)
I hear some of the images are graphic. I clicked on it but I could not get a picture :( I could hear the voices, but that doesn't help much because I don't speak the language :rolleyes: :)

[502procharger]

Why do you think you would catch a rash of shit from this forum when you state that? Try going to www.LibbersRus.com (http://www.LibbersRus.com) for an arugment on that issue
i just figured with all the drama this would maybe start some too. i am glad lots of others feel the same.

[MJ19]

TERRORIST PROFILES (http://www.homelandsecurity.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=TGroups&file=index)
Pretty big eye opener eek! to see how many groups are out there, what their causes are, what they've done in the past, etc... Check Out al-Qaeda's profile alone. eek!
[ March 22, 2003, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: MJ19 ]

[Seadog]

They showed some protesters on the news. Several were asked if they had voted for Bush and every one answered Hell no. I have to believe that if AH Gore was Prez, they would be praising the war, just as they made alibis for Pervert Clinton. My reaction to the woman who said she was ashamed to be an American was that I would personally take a collection for her plane ticket out of the US.

[sandblasted]

I just heard some Kuwaities threw grenades into the command center of the 101st Airborne, wounding 13 officers..
An American soldier of muslim faith is currently being investigated as part of the group that did the attack. I hope it is not true but if it is this may be the most treasonous action by an American since Benedict Arnold..If it's true the son of bitch needs to be court martialed and shot by firing squad! Damn son of a bitch!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
CBS is now reporting that the American soldier threw 3 grenades into the command tent..some stupid journalist tried to compare it to "fragging' in Vietnam. Fragging didn't start until years after the war began and morale was very low...This war just started, for an american soldier to throw grenades at his own commanders is treason, pure and simple..He better be punished harshly!
[ March 22, 2003, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: sandblasted ]

[GlastronGuy]

MJ19:
GlastronGuy:
Want to watch Iraqi TV? (http://winmedia.ish.de/al-jazeera)
I hear some of the images are graphic. I clicked on it but I could not get a picture :( I could hear the voices, but that doesn't help much because I don't speak the language :rolleyes: :) It works in Windows Media Player.

[River Ric]

Hey MJ, tell us how you really feel!!!! I agree. These anti-american a--holes make me sick. I believe that everyone has the right to disagree, but we are passed that now and it is time to suppoort our troops. "Every so often the a little blood must be shed to fan the fires of Freedom" Thomas Jefferson said that July 4th 1789. It is true!!! If it wasn't for our service men and women, these people would not be living the cussy life the have grown accustomed too. Someone need to remind them of this I am not really sue how??? idea

[HCS]

The Turks are moving into northern Iraq. Also Iran is starting to talk shit!. eek! Strategy is to move fast and take over. We don't want to stall, that's why this is all out!. The whole middle east could get involved. jawdrop

[Raskal]

that will be bad if every body get in to it . :confused:

[GlastronGuy]

GlastronGuy:
MJ19:
GlastronGuy:
Want to watch Iraqi TV? (http://winmedia.ish.de/al-jazeera)
I hear some of the images are graphic. I clicked on it but I could not get a picture :( I could hear the voices, but that doesn't help much because I don't speak the language :rolleyes: :) It works in Windows Media Player. They are interviewing one of the US soldiers who was captured, in English.

[Seadog]

Just in, 10-12 US troops were captured and then executed, possibly tortured. Take off the kid gloves. 100 miles to go and I hope there are no leadership prisoners.

[MJ19]

GlastronGuy:
They are interviewing one of the US soldiers who was captured, in English. Grrr :mad: This is SOOOO frustrating, I can hear it in windows media player, but I can't see it. frown

[v-drive]

Bastards! Nuke em now.............v-drive

[GlastronGuy]

MJ19:
GlastronGuy:
They are interviewing one of the US soldiers who was captured, in English. Grrr :mad: This is SOOOO frustrating, I can hear it in windows media player, but I can't see it. :( You didn't want to see it. Some of the soldiers had what looked like single GSWs to the head.
It appears that they were executed.

[MJ19]

GlastronGuy:
You didn't want to see it. Some of the soldiers had what looked like single GSWs to the head.
It appears that they were executed. I know...I probably wouldn't want to actually see it :( but I still get frustrated that I can't. What makes me really sad is I'm sure the woman prisoner is not dead, I'm sure they are going to rape her first and that really makes me sick!! devil
The news keeps talking about the Geneva Convention, and I can't find anything online that states Iraq was part of the Geneva Convention. Does anyone have anything regarding that? :confused:

[MJ19]

Now there are reports saying the Soviet Union is selling Iraq precision equipment and there are rumors that France is backing Iraq...does anyone see WW3 coming? :confused:
This needs to be NIPPED IN THE BUD!!! We need to finish this ASAP in my book, not only to save more lives, but as each day goes on it appears more countries are adding their .02 to the confusion of the situation.

[GlastronGuy]

Did you try to update your version of WMP?
You should be able to see it.
There is a picture here (http://www.Drudgereport.com) of some of the dead american soldiers being put on display. It's not too graphic but disturbing never the less.
frown

[HCS]

GlastronGuy:
Did you try to update your version of WMP?
You should be able to see it.
There is a picture here (http://www.Drudgereport.com) of some of the dead american soldiers being put on display. It's not too graphic but disturbing never the less.
:( It was on that Iraqi TV link up above. It really sucks.
frown

[v-drive]

You had to know they were already involved with them because of the struggle they went through to keep us out. Bagdad is not going to be nice but we can do it and then wait and see just how much France, Germany, and Russia were involved. Rat bastards..........v-drive

[GlastronGuy]

Chemical plant captured? (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/PrinterFull&cid=1048389497622)

[bigq]

Do you think we are trying to hard to prevent "collateral damage" and putting our troops in danger because of it. Seems to ba quite a bit of resistance coming from the troops moving from the south. i know that there are Iraqis living in these small towns. My fear is we are trying to hard to protect them from heavy bombing, but it may be causing more danger???? :confused:

[GlastronGuy]

bigq:
Do you think we are trying to hard to prevent "collateral damage" and putting our troops in danger because of it. Seems to ba quite a bit of resistance coming from the troops moving from the south. i know that there are Iraqis living in these small towns. My fear is we are trying to hard to protect them from heavy bombing, but it may be causing more danger???? :confused: Yes I do. I also feel we are being too cautious because the cameras are on everything that is happening. We are trying to be "PC" during a war.

[bigq]

MJ19:
Now there are reports saying the Soviet Union is selling Iraq precision equipment and there are rumors that France is backing Iraq...does anyone see WW3 coming? :confused:
This needs to be NIPPED IN THE BUD!!! We need to finish this ASAP in my book, not only to save more lives, but as each day goes on it appears more countries are adding their .02 to the confusion of the situation. Where is this report?

[bigq]

GlastronGuy:
bigq:
Do you think we are trying to hard to prevent "collateral damage" and putting our troops in danger because of it. Seems to ba quite a bit of resistance coming from the troops moving from the south. i know that there are Iraqis living in these small towns. My fear is we are trying to hard to protect them from heavy bombing, but it may be causing more danger???? :confused: Yes I do. I also feel we are being too cautious because the cameras are on everything that is happening. We are trying to be "PC" during a war. uh... I'm not that bright what is"PC"

[MJ19]

bigq:
Where is this report? It was stated verbally on Fox (regarding Soviet Union) and MSNBC (regarding France)
As for PC...I think he means "Politically Correct"

[GlastronGuy]

bigq:
MJ19:
Now there are reports saying the Soviet Union is selling Iraq precision equipment and there are rumors that France is backing Iraq...does anyone see WW3 coming? :confused:
This needs to be NIPPED IN THE BUD!!! We need to finish this ASAP in my book, not only to save more lives, but as each day goes on it appears more countries are adding their .02 to the confusion of the situation. Where is this report? I heard it was reported on FOX but I haven't tried to verify the source.
MJ19:
As for PC...I think he means "Politically Correct" Yes
[ March 23, 2003, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: GlastronGuy ]

[058]

I just saw on the local news that a fellow is facing eviction from his apartment because he has a "Support Our Troops" sign and a American Flag in his window. Apt. manager was convenently unavailable for comment. This would be a great case for the A.C.L.U. but I bet they wouldn't take the case. burningm burningm

[MJ19]

I took the link down that had grusome images, because it was just too sick! :(
We need to take the time out of our days to realize what is most important in our lives. We need to remember to hug, love and treasure our families and friends every day!!! (even when they make us mad, irritate us, etc) :)
[ March 23, 2003, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: MJ19 ]

[Irishluck]

Eviction for supporting our troops, I can't beleave some of the thigs I hear on T.V. I don't understand how much hatred these liberals have for this country. Is it moral decline or is it the media? At times I just feel sad at some of the shit these ****ing tree huggers pull. They are nothing more than a public distraction. They protest for peace and yet at times they get violent and vandelize for no apparent reason. Oh well just my .02

[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

I just updated my personal web page. check it out and let me know what you think. After seeing my page you will know where I stand about this war and our troops. :)
http://www.pritek.net/marinas/marinas.html

[502procharger]

originaly posted by ME :D
I know i am going to start something here but i am so god damn sick of people in our country protesting this war . Do people not realize the only reason they have there nice home and boats and such is because we live in a free country. God forbid we have to protect our freedom now and then. I don't care if there are underlying issues with the war like the oil, but guess what the main reason we are there is to protect our way of life. It is easy for some hillbilly that never seen first had as i have the devastation of terrorist attacks on our country. I am from ny and i was 40 blocks from the wtc when it all went down, i personally lost several friends and it really pisses me off when people are so ****ing worried about hurting innocent people over in Iraq or Afghanistan. So be it that is part of war. I know i am going to get a rash of shit for expressing my opinion, but that is just what it is, my opinion. If these people hate the fact that we have to protect out freedoms maybe they should move to France
I will say it again, if you don't like your freedom, GET THE **** OUT, if you don't have the respect and support for the men and women putting there lives on the line day in and day out to keep our way of life, GET THE **** OUT. These people are so small minded and worried about being politically correct and killing of innocent Iraq people, GO ****ING LIVE THERE THEN. Sorry, it just really pisses me off. Again it is just my opinion. :p http://

[Jbb]

This is the point where I start wondering about leadership....Dont get me wrong I am 100% behind our President and his actions,but when the ground war started so soon ..I said to myself ...why not bomb the life out of the entire route the ground pounders will travel AND have close air support all along the way....Now they have POW'S.. who you know they are torturing...sp?
Also,I am now hearing on CNN radio that Pilots returning from missions are very frustrated about the rules of engagement .....smells just like vietnam...!
I understand the US position on Image ...where they are very careful about collateral damage so the world does not view us as bullies, AND I agree with it BUT...not at the expense of our boys on the ground!
I hope the people in charge are smart enough to adjust their plans when deemed necessary.
I have never been a soldier ...but I hope to God the US govt.would place the value of their lives ABOVE the Iraqui soldiers, citizens, and those who are making a statement as Human shields....There ....still pissed but I feel better....sorry for the rant!
[ March 23, 2003, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[***boat]

Russia arms in Iraq (as if this surprises anyone)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81917,00.html

[502procharger]

tru dat

[***boat]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
This is the point where I start wondering about leadership....Dont get me wrong I am 100% behind our President and his actions,but when the ground war started so soon ..I said to myself ...why not bomb the life out of the entire route the ground pounders will travel AND have close air support all along the way....Now they have POW'S.. who you know they are torturing...sp?
Also,I am now hearing on CNN radio that Pilots returning from missions are very frustrated about the rules of engagement .....smells just like vietnam...!
I understand the US position on Image ...where they are very careful about collateral damage so the world does not view us as bullies, AND I agree with it BUT...not at the expense of our boys on the ground!
I hope the people in charge are smart enough to adjust their plans when deemed necessary.
I have never been a soldier ...but I hope to God the US govt.would place the value of their lives ABOVE the Iraqi soldiers, citizens, and those who are making a statement as Human shields....There ....still pissed but I feel better....sorry for the rant! What they are doing here is very smart. We need to get inside Iraq fast and secure critical infrastructure points. Airplanes cannot do that. Special Forces (I am not just talking about Army SF) can only hold ground for a very short period of time. Big Army or Marines are necessary on the ground. The war planners knew we were going to take causality's on the way in and every one on the ground knows they will be tortured if they are captured. There will be more deaths and more captured personnel. That would have happened with an all out air campaign as well. The difference here is that with troops on the ground we have a chance of rescuing the POWs. I do hope we send in the right units and pull those guys out. It will be a bad day for the people who captured them if we do.
As far as restrictive ROE's go that is just part of modern warfare. ROE's get stupid sometimes, but they are necessary, especially with the type of enemy we are fighting. We are not fighting the people of Iraq and they do not deserve to be pulled into this mess. The people of Iraq have had to put up with a very cruel dictator for quite some time now. They don't need their schools and churches destroyed as well.
[ March 23, 2003, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: ***boat ]

[GlastronGuy]

502procharger:
tru dat Word

[502procharger]

fo shizzle my nizzle

[Jbb]

double
[ March 23, 2003, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[Jbb]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
[ As far as restrictive ROE's go that is just part of modern warfare. ROE's get stupid sometimes, but they are necessary, especially with the type of enemy we are fighting. We are not fighting the people of Iraq and they do not deserve to be pulled into this mess. The people of Iraq have had to put up with a very cruel dictator for quite some time now. They don't need their schools and churches destroyed as well. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Well ...as far as restrictive ROE'S go If they put the intrests of the fine people of Iraq above those of the safety of our soldiers ...Then in my opinion thats Bullshit.!
In fact Comparatively speaking I could care less about ANY of the Iraqui people.
[ March 23, 2003, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[Tom Brown]

Think of the precedent this war will likely set. From now on, it will be a requirement to have the media on the front lines (which I think is a terrible idea) and zero tolerance for collateral damage.
Shit happens and people die during wars. How clean can it possibly get when cultist freaks wearing civvies walk into barracks on suicide missions?
In some ways this the war is just part of cool American TV that we Canadians enjoy. It's like sweeps week for the news media. That, I would contend, is a real shame. We need to be careful not to become insensitive to the senseless losses on the battlefield.
-- Tom

[GlastronGuy]

Ah, memories.
Work Hard
http://home.attbi.com/~oldsmoboat/wsb/media/79189/site1081.jpg
Play hard
http://home.attbi.com/~oldsmoboat/wsb/media/79189/site1082.jpg

[MJ19]

Tom Brown:
Think of the precedent this war will likely set. From now on, it will be a requirement to have the media on the front lines (which I think is a terrible idea) and zero tolerance for collateral damage.
-- Tom I like to know what is going on, in a play by play sort of way, but I will say that I do not feel comfortable having news crews over there. Each time I see a vivid view of the landscape I know the opposing side knows exactly where they are and their safety is at risk.
I have spent my day feeling for the captured crews and their families, for the civilians that have died.
I am glad to end this day with some good news (that one of the Bio/Chem plants were discovered) but I highly doubt France will be puckering up any time soon. The French get almost 100% of their oil from Iraq and until it appears 100% clear the Iraqis are loosing the battle the French will not switch sides. Too subborn...always have been always will be.

[Seadog]

As much as I hate the situation, it is imperative that we play by the rules. We don't torture prisoners and we don't use human shields. The whole reason that we feel it necessary to remove ******** Insane is that he and his family do not allow anything, including his people to get in the way of his power trip. The unfortunate problem is that you can never get rid of all the tyrants.

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MJ19:
Tom Brown:
Think of the precedent this war will likely set. From now on, it will be a requirement to have the media on the front lines (which I think is a terrible idea) and zero tolerance for collateral damage.
-- Tom I like to know what is going on, in a play by play sort of way, but I will say that I do not feel comfortable having news crews over there. Each time I see a vivid view of the landscape I know the opposing side knows exactly where they are and their safety is at risk.
I have spent my day feeling for the captured crews and their families, for the civilians that have died.
I am glad to end this day with some good news (that one of the Bio/Chem plants were discovered) but I highly doubt France will be puckering up any time soon. The French get almost 100% of their oil from Iraq and until it appears 100% clear the Iraqis are loosing the battle the French will not switch sides. Too subborn...always have been always will be. The French are not stubborn. They are stupid! One reason the French have not backed us is because of the large number of Algerian immigrants in France..Many of whom are radical muslims. The French are so scared of homegrown terrorism that they choose to not back us in the hopes of not upsetting their muslim immigrants. Unfortunelty for them, many of these immigrants will still refer to the French as infidels and have no problem committing terrorism on French soil..better to attack the beast of terrorism than to coddle it but the French choose to coddle, and it may just up and bite them on the ass someday. :mad:

[***boat]

The news crews are a good deal. It is the best of both worlds. We keep the public happy and transmit tons of false intel. No big lies perhaps, but how about this one. "The whole convoy has stopped here for a couple of hours." Well except for the 40 tanks that just pushed 15 miles ahead and are hitting the enemy that thinks we are still 15 miles away. There is almost no threat by the position of those news crews being given away. Attacking that position would be insane. If you so much as threw a rock at that command position you would have a 155 shell landing on your head. In fact it would probably work in our benefit. If the enemy comes to us then we save the gas driving to them.

[Jbb]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9167.jpg

[Tom Brown]

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...it may just up and bite them on the ass someday.No problem. I think the French leaders enjoy the ass action. :)
[ March 23, 2003, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

[GlastronGuy]

***boat:
The news crews are a good deal. It is the best of both worlds. We keep the public happy and transmit tons of false intel. No big lies perhaps, but how about this one. "The whole convoy has stopped here for a couple of hours." Well except for the 40 tanks that just pushed 15 miles ahead and are hitting the enemy that thinks we are still 15 miles away. There is almost no threat by the position of those news crews being given away. Attacking that position would be insane. If you so much as threw a rock at that command position you would have a 155 shell landing on your head. In fact it would probably work in our benefit. If the enemy comes to us then we save the gas driving to them. I think the news is hindering the effort. I would agree that disinformation can help but there is a bigger picture here.
That picture played itself out for me as I was watching the skirmish at Umm-Qasar last night.
As I watched, it occurred to me that the Marines were going too easy on the soldiers firing at them from the building. When I was in the Army and a Forward Observer, we were trained to knock those buildings to the ground with artillery. Bring it right down around their ears. It was my impression that we were doing less than we should be doing because the cameras were on the building and we were trying to be "PC" as the whole world was watching. Being "PC" and fighting a war do not go well together. If we do not let the soldiers loose to do what they are trained to do I feel that we will suffer more and more causalities.

[***boat]

You might be right on that one. I can see the guys right around the reporters holding back. Of course I watched earlier today as they called in a 2000lb bomb on a building that some enemy was holdup in.

[GlastronGuy]

***boat:
You might be right on that one. I can see the guys right around the reporters holding back. Of course I watched earlier today as they called in a 2000lb bomb on a building that some enemy was holdup in. 2000lb bomb? Damn! I missed that. :(
That's how it should be done.

[mike37]

There telling how stupid it was to sit back and weight be for WW11 on the history channel
Any parallel hear
good thing wear not this time

[spectratoad]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/307saddam_dixieduo.jpg :D

[bigq]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9167.jpg Damn, do ya think this has a kick to it? :D

[058]

GlastronGuy:
***boat:
You might be right on that one. I can see the guys right around the reporters holding back. Of course I watched earlier today as they called in a 2000lb bomb on a building that some enemy was holdup in. 2000lb bomb? Damn! I missed that. :(
That's how it should be done. 2000lb bomb??? lite weight stuff....now bring on the 21000lb MOAB and show 'em what real horsepower is, right in the center of Baghdad. eek!
eek! eek!

[GlastronGuy]

bigq:
JETBOAT BRIAN:
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9167.jpg Damn, do ya think this has a kick to it? :D Actually, it doesn't. All the gas goes out the back of the tube.

[rstover1]

Originally posted by 502procharger
It is easy for some hillbilly that never seen first had as i have the devastation of terrorist attacks on our country.[/QUOTE]
Well I beg to differ. There was a little bomb/terrerorist attack here in Oklahoma City. I think most of us hillbillys are quite the patriots. Most of the protestors are colledge kids that are misinformed by some dumb burnt out hippie. They annoy the hell out of me too but, statements like this just go to show how easily people forget 9/11 was terrible but, I also can't forget a day in April 1995. My brother was a few blocks away and still has problems hearing. My father was there 3 minutes after the bomb went off moving rubble only to find pieces of children, that is the only time I ever heard my dad cry. Don't ever for a second think us hillbilly's have never seen first hand what terrorism can do.

[***boat]

GlastronGuy:
bigq:
JETBOAT BRIAN:
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9167.jpg Damn, do ya think this has a kick to it? :D Actually, it doesn't. All the gas goes out the back of the tube. A bit loud when fired that way though.

[Dog]

God Bless our troops and there families.
Edited original was probably in the wrong topic.
[ March 23, 2003, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: Dog ]

[rstover1]

I by no means wanted to take away from New York or Washington. That I will never forget either. I was just defending us hillbilly's. Right now the thing to do is pray for the men and women fighting in the middle east. Especially the American P.O.W.'S that were captured today. frown

[Dog]

Iraqi press conference in about 10 minutes. If anyone is interested in seeing if its Saddam and if he proves he is still alive.

[FishBoneRipple III]

My favorite headline -
Blix says use of SCUDS a positive sign
"This shows Iraq's intent to both disclose and destroy banned weapons..."

[Seadog]

I think hillbillies are more Missouri and Arkansas, perhaps SE OK. What people should realise is that Oklahoma has Tinker which is the main Air Force repair depot and home to AWACS, Enid's pilot training facility, Burns Flats cargo field and Ft Sill, home to the nation's artillery and basic training facility. We also have one of the top five targets for terrorists and enemy forces in Cushing. There is also the 45th inf. which is one of the most combat experienced units in the National Guard. All the oil pipelines in the nation meet in Cushing. As far as the bombing is concerned, there was a lot of heart break when Congress volunteered millions to the families of the victims of 9/11 and little was done for the victims of 4/95, most of whom were federal employees. My wife has been unable to work since the bombing, but since they do not consider it work related, we get only a pitiance. I do believe that we have a strong perspective on what the heck is going on.

[MJ19]

Most of the protestors are colledge kids that are misinformed by some dumb burnt out hippie.I will confirm (because I am a current student in college) MAJORITY of the professors are against the war, most of them encourage the students to attend 'peace' rallies and some even give extra credit for attendance of those peace rallies. frown

[MJ19]

GlastronGuy:
As I watched, it occurred to me that the Marines were going too easy on the soldiers firing at them from the building. When I was in the Army and a Forward Observer, we were trained to knock those buildings to the ground with artillery. Bring it right down around their ears. I agree, everyone keeps talking about this 'shock & awe' but to me it seems like we are being pretty 'gentle'...in fact the term shock & awe is irritating me...They've been bombing that one palace for days now and it's still standing. I know it is made of stone, but it should be sand by now. :D

[GlastronGuy]

MJ19:
Most of the protestors are colledge kids that are misinformed by some dumb burnt out hippie.I will confirm (because I am a current student in college) MAJORITY of the professors are against the war, most of them encourage the students to attend 'peace' rallies and some even give extra credit for attendance of those peace rallies. :( I don't remember where it was but at one college a professor required the students to write a letter to their congressman opposing the war. Some of the students wrote letters in favor of the effort and she failed them on the assignment.
The students filed a protest but I never heard the results.

[GlastronGuy]

One of the pilots said he felt "leashed". That doesn't imply shock and awe.

[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

What is the Iraqi air force motto?
I came, I saw, Iran.
Have you heard about the new Iraqi air force exercise programme? Each
morning you raise your hands above your head and leave them there.
What's the five-day forecast for Baghdad?
Two days.
What do Miss Muffet and Saddam Hussein have in common?
They both have Kurds in their way.
What is the best Iraqi job?
Foreign ambassador.
Did you hear that it is twice as easy to train Iraqi fighter pilots? You
only have to teach them to take off.
How do you play Iraqi bingo?
B-52 ... F-16 ... A-10 ... B-1
What is Iraq's national bird?
Duck.
What do Saddam Hussein and General Custer have in common?
They both want to know where the hell those Tomahawks are coming from!
Why does the Iraqi navy have glass bottom boats?
So they can see their air force.
:D :D :D :D

[GlastronGuy]

:)
Those are good.

[GlastronGuy]

Marine and Army units are complaining that they are not being allowed to use enough force.
Source:
Question during Whitehouse briefing.

[spectras only]

What's the point starting a war if you have to be politically correct while going at it :rolleyes: ? Ps; our "PC" government didn't tell us about your favorite neighbor [Castro] was going to stop buy in vancouver airport to refuel and do a little shopping spree in the local malls while here. They were saving his ass from some protest I'm sure.
[ March 24, 2003, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: spectras only ]

[Jbb]

Thought provoking pps file ...In case the protesters forgot.... click here (https://webmail.comcast.net/attach/Forgotten.pps?sid=/e1tKOFmrzk&mbox=INBOX&charset=escaped_unicode&uid=499&number=10&filename=Forgotten.pps)
[ March 24, 2003, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[bigq]

MJ19, this site may be of interest to you. It is run by a former activist you may already know, David Horowitz. He has a lot of info on the so called "peace movement".
web page (http://www.frontpagemag.com/)

[502procharger]

rstover1,
You are right. I was venting, and pissed off when i wrote that. I was generically using the term hillbilly. No offence intended.

[Havasu Cig]

During the last Gulf War we used over whelming force to accomplish our objectives. We did not negotiate with the enemy to see if they would surrender. We would hit the enemy positions and whom ever wanted to surrender ran out with there hands in the air, those that did not were either shot, blown up, or run over by our tanks.
I too was disturbed when I was watching the fire fight at Umm Qassr (sp). I kept saying to myself were is the artillery, attack helicopters or fixed wing support. IMO I think they are to worried about the bad press of to many Iraqi casualties. My.02!!

[Seadog]

The last war was fought in the desert and not in the cities. We are pounding the he** out any units we catch in the open, but they are hiding behind women and children or using guerrilla tactics. Sometimes you just have to be patient. Our troops do not want to kill civilians and will wait until it becomes the only option or until they can teach the cowards a lesson in military might.

[Irishluck]

This is true we are using caution with every step we take. The Iragis are surrendering and then firing when troops are in the open. My aunt told me that my cousins unit got ambushed by this tactic, it's to be expected this is there last effort that they could use. The last I checked the allied forces were 50 miles south of Baghdad.

[rstover1]

502procharger:
rstover1,
You are right. I was venting, and pissed off when i wrote that. I was generically using the term hillbilly. No offence intended. None taken! Protesters piss me off too! devil

[bigq]

Someone knows this. Where can we send items that will reach our troops. I heard they need stuff like chapstick, and other personal stuff. Is there a website for donations?

[bigq]

Nevermind found some. If interested:
Operation Military Pride (http://www.operationmilitarypride.org/)
Home Front HQ (http://www.homefronthq.com/)

[Havasu Cig]

Seadog:
The last war was fought in the desert and not in the cities. We are pounding the he** out any units we catch in the open, but they are hiding behind women and children or using guerrilla tactics. Sometimes you just have to be patient. Our troops do not want to kill civilians and will wait until it becomes the only option or until they can teach the cowards a lesson in military might. The last war was also fought in urban areas such as Kuwait and Al Kafji, although you are right that the vast majority was fought in the desert.
I was involved in a similar fire fight as the one in Umm Qassr and we immediatly attacked the building with Cobras and artillery. I was expecting the same this time, although I realize that we do not get all the info that the troops have. I just hope that the ROE are not to strict as to cost lives that could have been spared (sp).
It kind of hits close to home for me when I see our troops being killed because of ruses (sp). Again just my.02.

[GlastronGuy]

Protesters Suck
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif

[Jbb]

Have a nice day Iraq!
http://www.havasubarney.com/iB_html/uploads/post-5-60083-jdam_explosion_photo.jpg

[Tom Brown]

GlastronGuy:
Protesters Suck
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif Anti war but pro violence? :confused:

[MJ19]

I don't understand the logic behind a violent peace movement? :confused:
Peace, Love, Yada Yada Yada...and a punch in the face. :rolleyes: LAME!!!

[058]

Fu*kin Ass*oles... burningm :mad: :mad: burningm

[MJ19]

I was away from the tv or computer all day...did they confirm the 100 acre facility for sure for sure to be a chem plant??? :confused:
[ March 24, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: MJ19 ]

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GlastronGuy:
Protesters Suck
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif Screw these pukes! This is not a peace movement. These people hate America. They hate you and they hate me. They blame america for just about every evil in the world. Their driving mantra is that America is an imperialist country, trying to dominate the world by force..they are half-right..We do dominate the world with our culture but not becuase we are imperialist, it's because the rest of the world wants our lifestyle. I for one do not apologize for my suv, my boat, my house in the suburbs and my extra cash that I spend as I see fit.F**k them, they can go live in the middle east with the rest of the 3rd world maggots that hate us. Then we can bomb their asses too!! :mad:

[hot_diggity_dog]

Hey I guess we are the ones that are all screwed up? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You know, we support our President and our Military. eek!
WTF if they don't like it, its a free country and don't let the door hit your ASS on the way out! :mad: burningm argue
GO USA :D
HDD :cool:

[MJ19]

sandblasted:
Screw these pukes! This is not a peace movement. These people hate America. They hate you and they hate me. They blame america for just about every evil in the world. They obviously have not done a lot of international traveling...otherwise they would realize how good they have it!!! :rolleyes:
Maybe a nice trip to some thrid world country would open their eyes!!! eek!

[SHARKEYMARINE]

"Got your Back"
Author unknown
I am a small and precious child, my dads been sent to fight..
the only place i'll see his face is in my dreams at night.
He will be gone to many days for my young mind to keep track.
I am sad, but I am proud. My daddys got your back.
I am a caring mother. My son has gone to war,
my mind is filled with worries I have ever known before.
Everyday I try to keep my thoughtsfrom turning black.
I may be scared but Iam proud....My son has got your back.
I am a strong and loving wife, with a husband soon to go.
There are times that i am terrified in ways most will never know.
I bite my lip, and force a smile as I watch my husband pack...
My heart may break but I am proud my husbands got your back...
I am a soldier...serving proudly, standing tall.
I fight for freedom yours and mine by answering the call.
I do my job while knowing the thanks it sometimes lacks.
Say a prayer that I'll come home its me whose got your back.
Thank you and God Bless each and everyone of our soldiers!
:cool:

[BILLY.B]

SHARKEYMARINE:
"Got your Back"
Author unknown
I am a small and precious child, my dads been sent to fight..
the only place i'll see his face is in my dreams at night.
He will be gone to many days for my young mind to keep track.
I am sad, but I am proud. My daddys got your back.
I am a caring mother. My son has gone to war,
my mind is filled with worries I have ever known before.
Everyday I try to keep my thoughtsfrom turning black.
I may be scared but Iam proud....My son has got your back.
I am a strong and loving wife, with a husband soon to go.
There are times that i am terrified in ways most will never know.
I bite my lip, and force a smile as I watch my husband pack...
My heart may break but I am proud my husbands got your back...
I am a soldier...serving proudly, standing tall.
I fight for freedom yours and mine by answering the call.
I do my job while knowing the thanks it sometimes lacks.
Say a prayer that I'll come home its me whose got your back.
Thank you and God Bless each and everyone of our soldiers!
:cool: Thats a great poem. It actually gave me goose bumps, and screw all those "ANTI-AMERICAN'S".. :mad: burningm

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GlastronGuy:
Protesters Suck
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif Ya know, I haven't been arrested since a little run in with the Newport Beach cops in '73, when I was 17. But if I saw these motherf*ckers standing in front of me, I can promise you I would be in the slammer charged with assault. Oh, and the prick holding the sign would be in the hospital.
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[rrrr]

Who is Smarter?
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the
President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who
will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" ,
"morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in
Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's
look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders,
and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University
and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the
Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in
Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected
Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic
re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to
consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the
vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent
of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of
women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican
other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial
candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El
Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about
his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might
want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both
in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science
Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary
duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign
leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our
homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of
the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet
with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has
seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men
and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are
doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell: Was educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY
and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in
June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business
Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is
the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations.
Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of
Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the
Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy
Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have
been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and
colleges across the country.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59;
U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director
of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living
Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential
Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House
Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of
Defense, 1975-77
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Was raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served
as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor.
After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private
practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was
elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat
veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six
times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in
Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and
her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the
University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of
Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in
Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the
University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's
Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are
also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts
and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College
in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame
in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International
Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for
International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.
Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip
Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain
Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has
written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S.
Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and
2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the
period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she
served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of
Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a
Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986,
while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations,
she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender --
Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of
directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the
International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony
Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New
Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and
East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls
Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed
such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the
Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand
Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the
Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San
Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her
bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from
the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre
Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International
Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from
Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the
University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend
to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are
going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also
have all the facts on their educations and background:
Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America
in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should
also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even
hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to
information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the
threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting
governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI,
Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies
around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of
the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way
as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views
and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The
silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a
pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian
Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic
out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were
ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was
heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own
soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while
going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war.
Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White
House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE
and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the
manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world
peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence
that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining
nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They
believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass
destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will
eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since
they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine
the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war
and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently
thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we
were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn
fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from
war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge
(and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal
dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that
he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in
a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of
their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare
they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more
bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their
views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond
memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace
in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism
striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains
strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware
of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and
join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real.
We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe
by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength
and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi
regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from
unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped
them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn
around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the
strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...
PEACE through STRENGTH.
I didn't write this, but I damn sure agree with it. I don't know how you all in California put up with the bullshit that starts in the Governor's office and goes all the way down to human garbage on the streets of SF screaming that they hate America.

[Seadog]

The pricks don't even have the balls to show their faces. This is the type of AH that we are trying to take out in Iraq. Sometimes I wish we could take these idiots out.

[cyclone]

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[Havasu Cig]

Good post

[MJ19]

Anyone keeping up on this newest event???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2886235.stm

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MJ19:
Anyone keeping up on this newest event???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2886235.stm I am watching close, but not much is coming out of the city. We need this big time. With the guard going to plain clothes we need people that can identify the enemy when everyone looks the same.

[Jbb]

http://www.dailyadultjoke.com/misc2/protest3.jpg

[bigq]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
http://www.dailyadultjoke.com/misc2/protest3.jpg LOL, I heard that guy on the radio and he said no one even said anything about the sign. he was right in the middle of the protestors. Kinda funny. :D

[Seadog]

I was reading about a little known fact that themedia seems to ignore. Apparently these groups causing a lot of these protest marches are being funded by anti-American groups. Not in our Name is funded by a pro-Castro group and another one is funded by a coomunist group that favors North Korea and tyranny. It is no wonder that these groups are creating chaos. Their posted agenda is to cause as much economic disruption and to overwhelm government to where fire, police and ambulance services cannot function.

[Jbb]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/9188.jpg

[Froggystyle]

One thing I think everyone should keep in mind is, soldiers or not, these guys are human.
Someone asked me a little while ago, regarding my previous occupation, "Would you have a problem killing someone?"
I replied "Not even kind of". I replied this because the killing I would have been asked to do would be in verified military targets, and to be honest it would be me or them. We would be going in for bad guys, and treating them like bad guys.
This is different. You guys are saying "kill em all, let God sort 'em out" essentially, and since they present a risk to our troops by their very presence, they should be smoked and walked over.
Please consider the 18 year old Marine with a wailing Iraqi in his gunsights. Sure, it could be a trap. Granted, this guy may be loaded with C-4 and willing to kill you in a second. Assumed, this guy cannot be trusted. Now imagine pulling the trigger... :(
Then, a couple minutes later you walk up as his wife is screaming and wailing next to him. The translator says that she is crying and mumbling that he was trying to tell you "It's a trap" or something. How do you shoot the next one?
Nothing, and I repeat with emphasis NOTHING will derail our troops faster than them not believing with all of their heart that they are doing the right thing, the right way. You shoot a couple of innocents, you will stop pulling the trigger.
I slept at night knowing that if I had ever been in a situation where I was thrust into a hostage situation, and was knowingly walking into a hostile structure, I had a ton of training in muzzle discipline and target recognition behind me. I had a good idea what a Tango looked like, and what a Hotel would look like. If I was mistaken, and zapped a Hotel, it was a snap decision, but an honest mistake. It would likely haunt me, but it was a mistake.
An unarmed group of men at 50 yards in crosshairs is not a mistake. It is a willfull act.
I hope, for the Marines and Army's sake they keep on doing what they are doing. These guys need to sleep well after this is over, and know they did a good job liberating people who have been tragically oppressed for longer than most of them have been alive.
That being said, these spineless cowards that are donning civilian attire hoping to play on our good nature... will get killed. We will sort them out, and while it will be more costly to us, I can't think of any fighting man who would have it another way

[missboatnam1]

i dont know, but this war scares the SHIT out of me!! i just pray everything goes as planned....god bless thouse guys!!!

[Jbb]

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This is different. You guys are saying "kill em all, let God sort 'em out" essentially, and since they present a risk to our troops by their very presence, they should be smoked and walked over.
Well Froggy I think maybe you have a better insight into this thing than many of us.I am ...and will always be a civilian...A Tax paying civilian,and as such then my opinion should count for something.
I am of the opinion thet this Government should put the safety AND security of its VOLUNTEER force before that of public image.I can not help but wonder, by what I am seeing in the media if this is in fact the case. Did Vietnam not teach the people in charge that you will have a hard time winning a war, and will have very disillusioned troops when they must fight with one hand tied behind their back..
Rules of engagement for the sake of public image placed in front of the safety of your own fighting force is....In this civilians mind BULLSHIT!....Let the soldiers and pilots do what they were trained to do....And if a few civilians from Iraq(Who should have rose up against that asshole long ago}die in the process......So be it!

[Froggystyle]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
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This is different. You guys are saying "kill em all, let God sort 'em out" essentially, and since they present a risk to our troops by their very presence, they should be smoked and walked over.
Well Froggy I think maybe you have a better insight into this thing than many of us.I am ...and will always be a civilian...A Tax paying civilian,and as such then my opinion should count for something.
I am of the opinion thet this Government should put the safety AND security of its VOLUNTEER force before that of public image.I can not help but wonder, by what I am seeing in the media if this is in fact the case. Did Vietnam not teach the people in charge that you will have a hard time winning a war, and will have very disillusioned troops when they must fight with one hand tied behind their back..
Rules of engagement for the sake of public image placed in front of the safety of your own fighting force is....In this civilians mind BULLSHIT!....Let the soldiers and pilots do what they were trained to do....And if a few civilians from Iraq(Who should have rose up against that asshole long ago}die in the process......So be it! You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect it.
Their hands are not tied, they are just aware of the levity of the task set before them. I assure you, the commanders are not saying "Don't shoot anyone". They are saying don't shoot any non-combatants. That we cannot tell what a non-combatant looks like is what is creating the problems.
The pilots have their packages. They are flying their routes, and delivering their ordinance on target. That is what they are trained to do. I assure you none of them want to go smoke a bunch of civilians walking through a courtyard. They need to sleep too.
If our troops felt threatened, they would fire. That is their ROE's. I applaud their discipline, and their willingness to take some losses to keep their integrity and morals intact. That is far more important than anything else.
This little anecdote goes out to anyone who has ever been in at least two fights. If you have, you have probably fought someone your size or larger, with equal or more skill than yourself, as well as someone smaller than you, with equal or less skill than yourself. When you are the smaller guy, you get dirty, and you are usually fighting because you are threatened and screwed. You swing with all you have, and make what lands count. Then you usually get your ass kicked.
On the flip side, when you are obviously dominant, you tend to stop fights as quickly as possible, because you have nothing to prove. You take a couple of hits, and wrestle the guy to the ground until he calms down. You have the ability to issue a metered response, and even if you take some hits, you know you did the right thing by handling the conflict on the lowest level possible. If you went high-order on some little guy and put them in hospital, you are the bully. There was no need for excessive force, and for the most part society hates a bully.
We went into this conflict to protect ourselves and our way of life. You take a couple of hits, and then you wrestle them to the ground so no one else gets hurt. We are dealing huge blows to the Iraqi army and all combatants. From what I understand, not one resisting unit has survived a contact with us.
Saddaam won't let them leave. To leave is to get shot in the back and have your kid raped. We need to work around the non-combatants.

[MJ19]

:)
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[MJ19]

:)
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[GlastronGuy]

Iraqi defector speaks about Saddam and terrorism (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html)
That was your reaction on September 11 -- that some of these people might be involved?
I assure you, this operation was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam. And I'm going to keep assuring the world this is what happened.

[Rexone]

Has anyone been watchin that wolf blitzer dude on cnn reporting from kuwait? I swear that guy can sensationalize and make 30 seconds worth of info fill 20 minutes of air time without battin an eye. Cracks me up. Not the war, the reporter. I guess thats what all those anchor dudes get paid the big bucks to do though. :rolleyes:

[HCS]

Most of those guys are clowns. Their trying to make it sound like were losing the war, or don't have what it takes.
Their Bush bashing.
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[hot_diggity_dog]

The only non bias station covering the war is FOX. :)
Even the soldiers are using that station to receive their news from. They always have at least 2 or 3 former high ranking military officers doing commentary. :D
I believe that everyone has their rights to protest but it's a timing issue, once the war starts it's not the time to be protesting against your country. :mad:
idea Unless you would like to live in another country?
It would be like a everyone taking sides after a funeral at a family wake, blaming and pointing fingers. There are times when your opinion should not be aired and this is one of them. burningm
GO USA :D
HDD :cool:

[bigq]

hmmm.. says we are low on bombs and man power. the culprit is Rumsfield. Hope this is not true.
Underestimate of war? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48265-2003Mar29.html)

[MJ19]

I have been known to flip back and forth between the BBC & FOX while watching Al-Jazeera on the computer. (including reading articles online from ALL over the world)
Makes it interesting, all countries are using the media to sway their info, but when you get info on the same subject from lots of different places, it makes it a little easier to see the closest to 'real' story :D

[Stupid Fast]

Are FOX and CNN covering the same war? About the post. Read some of the guys other work. I saw him in an interview and my take is that he is a crybaby that got his feelings hurt.
FOX: We don't have alot of info,(true) We do Know that all of our reporters in the field seem to get the feeling that all is going well. Our experts (real ex-military PLANNERS) think that all of the moves that we KNOW about make sence. Only time will tell and as this plays out we will let you know what we can Confirm.
CNN: Two men were ambushed and killed today. We were not told this was part of the plan!!! Who would plan for this and let it happen???? They should be fired. What is the plan?!?!?!?! They won't tell us the PLAN!!!!!!! They must be hiding something. I guess they dont want us to know they F'ed up. What do our EXPERTS (field commanders(not to dog on them but they ussually don't get the whole picture any how), professors?, ect.) think? "They are leaving flank steaks open" They didnt plan for this. I would have never thought they would do such a thing!!! this is going to be terrible. Look they stopped moving forward!!!!!!! eek! OH their are moving again. I need to go change my Panties, My wife is going to kill me if I wet them again.
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[Mrs Big Boy Toys]

There may be some thought to this. . . . .
Here's the plan:
1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their
affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini and the rest of them
good old boys'. We will never "interfere" again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with
Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We
would
station troops at our borders. No more sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and
leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will
be
gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are.
France would welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90
days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be
allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide
here.
Asylum would not ever be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab
drivers.
5) No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they
don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.
6) The US will make a strong effort to become self sufficient energy
wise. This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but will
require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou
will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel
for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else.
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we
will not "interfere". They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain,
cement or whatever they need. Besides' most of what we give them is stolen
or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if any
anyway.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place. We don't need the
spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, it would make a good homeless
shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one
can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. Now, ain't that a winner of a
plan.
:D :) :D :)
[ March 29, 2003, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: Mrs Big Boy Toys ]

[HCS]

Perfect World. :D

[MJ19]

Stupid Fast:
Are FOX and CNN covering the same war? About the post. Read some of the guys other work. I saw him in an interview and my take is that he is a crybaby that got his feelings hurt.
FOX: We don't have alot of info,(true) We do Know that all of our reporters in the field seem to get the feeling that all is going well. Our experts (real ex-military PLANNERS) think that all of the moves that we KNOW about make sence. Only time will tell and as this plays out we will let you know what we can Confirm.
CNN: Two men were ambushed and killed today. We were not told this was part of the plan!!! Who would plan for this and let it happen???? They should be fired. What is the plan?!?!?!?! They won't tell us the PLAN!!!!!!! They must be hiding something. I guess they dont want us to know they F'ed up. What do our EXPERTS (field commanders(not to dog on them but they ussually don't get the whole picture any how), professors?, ect.) think? "They are leaving flank steaks open" They didnt plan for this. I would have never thought they would do such a thing!!! this is going to be terrible. Look they stopped moving forward!!!!!!! eek! OH their are moving again. I need to go change my Panties, My wife is going to kill me if I wet them again.
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[MJ19]

Mrs. BBT...I like it :)
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[Jbb]

Sometimes you gotta love the hackers!!!
This is what was shown on Al Jazerra's home page when they got in.......
http://www.ehowa.com/picx/aljazeerahacked.jpg

[Dog]

Clip from a radio interview of an Iraqi Rufugee and a "Peace Activist"
Interview (http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3)

[bigq]

Dog:
Clip from a radio interview of an Iraqi Rufugee and a "Peace Activist"
Interview (http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3) Another case of confusing feelings with logic. wink

[Jbb]

I got a neat pps file in an email from a friend today which has the 100 best pictures from all american wars ...Facinating file but I cant seem to link it ....so If anyone wants to see it pm me with your email address and I will fwd it to you

[MJ19]

Special forces rescue US POW
A US Army servicewoman who was held captive for more than a week in Iraq has been rescued, US military sources have said.
The Pentagon said the soldier was 19-year-old Private Jessica Lynch, a supply clerk who was captured on 23 March when her convoy was ambushed in the southern town of Nasiriya.
The operation to rescue Private Lynch began at nightfall on Tuesday, the BBC's Adam Mynott says.
Marines attacked Baath party headquarters and a bridge in the city to create a distraction, while special forces stormed the hospital where she was held.
Private Lynch is in hospital being treated for injuries but is said to be in a stable condition.
She is a member of the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, a unit that was ambushed when it took a wrong turn in Nasiriya in the early days of the fighting.
Five of its soldiers were captured and later forced to answer questions on Iraqi television - drawing harsh condemnation from Washington.
Private Lynch was not among that group.
She was originally listed as missing in action and presumed dead. She was only reclassified as a prisoner of war on Tuesday.
Celebration
Her hometown of Palestine, West Virginia, celebrated her rescue with fireworks, sirens and horns.
God watched over Jessica and her family - all of West Virginia is rejoicing
Senator Jay Rockefeller
"You would not believe the joys, cries, bawling, hugging, screaming, carrying on," her cousin Pam Nicolais told the Associated Press news agency.
Central Command spokesman Jim Wilkinson said such rescue operations were part of the US military ethos.
"America doesn't leave its heroes behind," he said. "Never has. Never will."
But he also struck a sombre note, pointing out that at least seven Americans are still listed as prisoners of war.
"We also have other POWs we are just as worried about. This is good news today but we need a lot more good news."
West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller expressed delight at the rescue.
"God watched over Jessica and her family," a spokesman said on the senator's behalf. "All of West Virginia is rejoicing."
President George W Bush also welcomed the news, White House spokeswoman Suzy DeFrancis said.
"That's great," she quoted him as saying.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/2908477.stm
Published: 2003/04/02 03:42:31
© BBC MMIII
It's nice to hear some really nice news!!! :)

[Jbb]

"Where do they get young men like this?”
Martin Savidge of CNN, embedded with the 1st Marine battalion, was talking with 4 young Marines near his foxhole this morning live on CNN. He had been telling the story of how well the Marines had been looking out for and taking care of him since the war started. He went on to tell about the many hardships the Marines had endured since the war began and how they all look after one another.
He turned to the four and said he had cleared it with their commanders and they could use his video phone to call home.
The 19 year old Marine next to him asked Martin if he would allow his platoon sergeant to use his call to call his pregnant wife back home whom he had not been able to talk to in three months. A stunned Savidge who was visibly moved by the request shook his head and the young Marine ran off to get the sergeant.
Savidge recovered after a few seconds and turned back to the three young Marines still sitting with him and asked which one of them would like to call home first, the Marine closest to him responded with out a moments hesitation “ Sir, if is all the same to you we would like to call the parents of a buddy of ours, Lance Cpl Brian Buesing of Cedar Key, Florida who was killed on 3-23-03 near Nasiriya to see how they are doing”.
At that Martin Savidge totally broke down and was unable to speak. All he could get out before signing off was “Where do they get young men like this?”.
There are a lot of people commenting on the US, Iraq, this war, America, and every other damn thing happening in the world. Most of those people are quite a bit more eloquent than me. Some put me to shame.
This piece, with no commentary, sums up for me everything about why I support our armed forces. I never served. Perhaps I should have. I was making bad television at the time. However, these are young men and women who embody and truly understand what honor is. I doubt, when they signed up, if any of them seriously thought they'd be 15,000 miles from home, in a blinding sandstorm, fighting for their lives.
However, they're there now, and they're acquitting themselves with dignity, honor and compassion. I see plenty of 18-25 year olds where I live - racing their ricer cars, trying to find themselves, and without a shred of the courage displayed by our armed forces this last week.
By the way, I feel the same way about cops, too.
Thanks to each and every one of you.

[Jbb]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/9296.jpg

[Seadog]

It was on the news this morning that captured Iraqi soldiers were telling us that they were receiving new weapons and night vision goggles from France and Russia. It may be time to go frog spearing.
[ April 02, 2003, 06:07 AM: Message edited by: Seadog ]

[Havasu Cig]

Here is a distressing story about the french disgracing the graves of british and some U.S. soilders who are burried in France. F@#k them, I will never buy any French products again!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003150899,00.html

[Jbb]

Havasu Cig:
Here is a distressing story about the french disgracing the graves of british and some U.S. soilders who are burried in France. F@#k them, I will never buy any French products again!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003150899,00.html Excellent thinking...Here's a good place to start!
france has every right to disagree with America. But france has moved from simple dissent to active hostility toward America. french President Chirac warned East European nations that if they side with America, france will oppose their membership in the European Union. William Safire reported in the New York Times that france has been secretly helping to arm Iraq to include building long range missiles. These same missiles may soon be used against American soldiers. Just as france is exercising its right to disagree, Americans can exercise their right to boycott -- and avoid helping companies and countries that do no stand with America. Here is a list of french products and companies to boycott if you are interested...
Air france Givenchy Red Magazine
Air Liquide Grey Goose (vodka) Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in france)
Airbus Hennessy Renault (automobiles)
Alcatel Houghton Mifflin (books) Road & Track Magazine
Allegra (allergy medication) Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989) Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in france)
Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest) Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers) Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.)
AXA Advisors Lancome Royal Canadian
Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas) Le Creuset (cookware) Salomon (skis)
Beneteau (boats) L'Oreal (health and beauty products) Sierra Software and Computer Games
BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin) Louis Vuitton Smart & Final
BIC (razors, pens and lighters) Marie Claire Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor)
Biotherm (cosmetics) Martel Cognac Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone)
Black Bush Maybelline Spencer Gifts
Bollinger (champagne) Méphisto (shoes and clothes) Sundance Channel
Car & Driver Magazine Michelin (tires and auto parts) Taylor Made (golf)
Cartier Mikasa (crystal and glass) Technicolor
Chanel Moet (champagne) T-Fal (kitchenware)
Chivas Regal (scotch) Motel 6 Total gas stations
Christian Dior Motown Records UbiSoft (computer games)
Club Med (vacations) MP3.com Uniroyal
Culligan (owned by Vivendi) Mumms (champagne) Universal Studios music, movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal)
Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods) Nissan (cars; majority owned by Renault) USFilter
DKNY Nivea Veritas Group
Dom Perignon Normany Butter Veuve Clicquot Champagne
Durand Crystal Parents Magazine Vittel
Elle Magazine Peugeot (automobiles) Vivendi
Essilor Optical Products Pierre Cardin Wild Turkey (bourbon)
Evian Playstation Magazine Woman's Day Magazine
Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil fields) ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, france) Yoplait (The french company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake)
First Hawaiian Bank Publicis Group (including Saatchi &Saatchi Advertising) Yves Saint Laurent
George Magazine RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics) Zodiac Inflatable Boats

[Nokomis]

01 Apr 2003, 12:26 PM EST Msg. 103699 of 103713
True Story Of An Elite Athlete.
By Tom Demerly
It is dark and Mike Smith's clothing is wet.
Mike Smith is an athlete, an elite athlete in fact. He is a triathlete, has done Ironman several times, a couple adventure races and even run the Marathon Des Sables in Morocco- a 152 mile race through the Sahara done in stages.
Mike has some college, is gifted in foreign languages, reads a lot and has an amazing memory for details. He enjoys travel. He is a quiet guy but a very good athlete. Mike's friends say he has a natural toughness. He can't
spend as much time training for triathlons as he'd like to because his job keeps him busy. Especially now. This is Mike's busy season. But he still seems very fit. Even without much training Mike has managed some impressive
performances in endurance events.
It's a big night for Mike. He's at work tonight. As I mentioned his clothing is wet, partially from dew, partially from perspiration. He and his four co-workers, Dan, Larry, Pete and Mario are working on a rooftop at the
corner of Jamia St. and Khulafa St. across from Omar Bin Yasir.
Mike is looking through the viewfinder of a British made Pilkington LF25 laser designator. The crosshairs are centered on a ventilation shaft. The shaft is on the roof of The Republican Guard Palace in downtown Baghdad across the Tigris River.
Saddam Hussein is inside, seven floors below, three floors below ground level, attending a crisis meeting.
Mike's co-worker Pete (also an Ironman finisher, Lake Placid, 2000) keys some information into a small laptop computer and hits "burst transmit". The DMDG (Digital Message Device Group) uplinks data to another of Mike's
co-workers (this time a man he's never met, but they both work for their Uncle, "Sam") and a fellow athlete, at 21'500 feet above Iraq 15 miles from downtown Baghdad. This man's office is the cockpit of an F-117 stealth fighter. When Mike and Pete's signal is received the man in the airplane leaves his orbit outside Baghdad, turns left, and heads downtown.
Mike has 40 seconds to complete his work for tonight, then he can go for a run.
Mike squeezes the trigger of his LF25 and a dot appears on the ventilator shaft five city blocks and across the river away from him and his co-workers. Mike speaks softly into his microphone; "Target illuminated. Danger close. Danger Close. Danger close. Over."
Seconds later two GBU-24B two thousand pound laser guided, hardened case, delayed fuse "bunker buster" bombs fall free from the F-117. The bombs enter "the funnel" and begin finding their way to the tiny dot projected by Mike's LF25. They glide approximately three miles across the ground and fall four miles on the way to the spot marked by Mike and his friends.
When they reach the ventilator shaft marked by Mike and his friends the two bunker busters enter the roof in a puff of dust and debris. They plow through the first four floors of the building like a two-ton steel telephone pole traveling over 400 m.p.h., tossing desks, ceiling tiles, computers and
chairs out the shattering windows. Then they hit the six-foot thick reinforced concrete roof of the bunker. They burrow four more feet and detonate.
The shock wave is transparent but reverberates through the ground to the river where a Doppler wave appears on the surface of the Tigris. When the seismic shock reaches the building Mike is on he levitates an inch off the roof from the concussion.
Then the sound hits. The two explosions are like a simultaneous crack of thunder as the building's walls seem to swell momentarily, then burst apart on an expanding fireball that slowly, eerily, boils above Baghdad casting
rotating shadows as the fire climbs into the night. Debris begins to rain; structural steel, chunks of concrete, shards of glass, flaming fabrics and papers.
On the tail of the two laser guided bombs a procession of BGM-109G/TLAM Block IV Enhanced Tomahawks begin their terminal plunge. The laser-guided bombs performed the incision, the GPS and computer guided TLAM Tomahawks
complete the operation. In rapid-fire succession the missiles find their mark and riddle the Palace with massive explosions, finishing the job. The earth heaves in a final death convulsion.
Mike's job is done for tonight. Now all he has to do is get home.
Mike and his friends drive an old Mercedes through the streets of Baghdad as the sirens start. They take Jamia to Al Kut, cross Al Kut and go right (South) on the Expressway out of town. An unsuspecting remote CNN camera mounted on the balcony of the Al Rashid Hotel picks up their vehicle headed out of town. Viewers at home wonder what a car is doing on the street during the beginning of a war. They don't know it is packed with five members of the U.S. Army's SFOD-D, Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta. Delta Force.
Six miles out of town they park their Mercedes on the shoulder, pull their gear out of the trunk and begin to run into the desert night. The moon is nearly full. Instinctively they fan out, on line, in a "lazy 'W' ". They run five miles at a brisk pace, good training for this evening, especially with 27 lb. packs on their backs. Behind them there is fire on the horizon. Mike and his fellow athletes have a meeting to catch, and they can't be late.
Twenty seven miles out a huge gray 92 foot long insect hurtles 40 feet above the desert at 140 m.p.h. The MH-53J Pave Low III is piloted by another athlete, also a triathlete, named Jim, from Fort Campbell, Kentucky. He is
flying to meet Mike.
After running five miles into the desert Mike uses his GPS to confirm his position. He is in the right place at the right time. He removes an infra-red strobe light from his pack and pushes the red button on the bottom of it. It blinks invisibly in the dark. He and his friends form a wide 360 degree circle while waiting for their ride home.
Two miles out Jim in the Pave Low sees Mike's strobe through his night vision goggles. He gently moves the control stick and pulls back on the collective to line up on Mike's infra-red strobe. Mike's ride home is here.
The big Pave Low helicopter flares for landing over the desert and quickly touches down in a swirling tempest of dust. Mike and his friends run up the ramp after their identity is confirmed. Mike counts them up the ramp of the
helicopter over the scream of the engines. When he shows the crew chief five fingers the helicopter lifts off and the ramp comes up. The dark gray Pave Low spins in its own length and picks up speed going back the way it came,
changing course slightly to avoid detection.
The men and women in our armed forces, especially Special Operations, are often well trained, gifted athletes. All of them, including Mike, would rather be sleeping the night away in anticipation of a long training run rather than laying on a damp roof in an unfriendly neighborhood guiding
bombs to their mark or doing other things we'll never hear about.
The sacrifices these people make and the risks they take are extraordinary. They do them on our behalf. Their skills, daring and accomplishments almost always go unknown, unheard of. They happen routinely, and they happen for us.
(Names changed for obvious reasons)

[Thunderbutt]

What upsets me is - why aren't our enlistments in the military up? During WW-2 there wasn't a man under forty in my home town, and they weren't drafted. When I enlisted in 1952 I stood in line for hours to get to the recruiters desk. Now we are sending the reserves and national guard. Not saying they won't do a good job, but where are our young people? Are we as patriotic as we would hope to be? I would prefer that we had a military service for two years for all males. What would happen if this escalates into a larger war like WW-3?

[Seadog]

When they went to the volunteer army, they delegated more responsibilities to reserve/guard units. Enlistments are up, but with the pace of today's warfare, by the time you get a soldier trained, it is long over. A short basic and AIT is still 6-8 months.

[Havasu Cig]

The reason the military relies on it's reserve component is largely due to the downsizing of the military following the end of the cold war. When I returned from the Gulf in 91 the downsizing began.
The large force that fought the first Gulf war was built to fight the Soviets (most of the training I did prior to Saddam invading Kuwait in 90 was preparing to fight the soviets on a european battlefield). The active military is significantly smaller now than pre-Desert Storm.

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Havasu Cig:
Here is a distressing story about the french disgracing the graves of british and some U.S. soilders who are burried in France. F@#k them, I will never buy any French products again!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003150899,00.html I was going to post this as a whole new topic until I saw your post...I read the same thing in another British Paper-London times. They also said 1 out 3 people in France want Saddam to win the war!! :mad: :mad:
Ok, it's one thing for those damn frogs to be jealous of us but it's another thing to wish for our defeat.
Maybe we need to divert some B-52's over Paris as soon as we get done in Iraq!!

[Thunderbutt]

That wasn't my question. I know we have been a volunteer military for some time, but now we are a war again. Do we need to bring back the draft, or is the force we have, big enough to handle it. What if Korea pops up?
What I am saying is that our young men have a differant thought then we did. I think I better stay out of this topic.

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Thunderbutt:
That wasn't my question. I know we have been a volunteer military for some time, but now we are a war again. Do we need to bring back the draft, or is the force we have, big enough to handle it. What if Korea pops up?
What I am saying is that our young men have a differant thought then we did. I think I better stay out of this topic. you make a valid point..One big difference between today and 1952 is 30 years of brainwashing by liberal teachers and college professors that America is Evil (basically from 1970 to today). Too many young people really don't realize the sacrifice that has been made for them by our military so they can act like jackasses. Too bad for them..

[Jbb]

So you can keep up....the Iraquimeter!
Iraquimeter! (http://www.iraqometer.com/)

[twistedpair]

No category for Iraqi Fatalities? I guess they can't count that high. devil

[Irishluck]

Man it's true what you all say about the younger generation. I am 24 years old and all I hear from younger people is how they don't want to fight in a war. I mean no one want's to fight in war but their comes a time when you have to. Basically my generation is spoiled and never had to worry about are country being threatened.

[GlastronGuy]

http://pichosting.pcthike.com/albums/brutuskend/French_Kiss.jpg

[MJ19]

Irishluck:
Basically my generation is spoiled and never had to worry about are country being threatened. I hate to say it, but American's in general are spoiled :( ...the younger generation might be worse :confused: but we are all pretty spoiled here...
That's why we need to fight, so that we can maintain our spoiled lifestyle :D

[572Daytona]

The drug addled brain of another entertainment artist weighs in with his opinion. If I went to a concert to be entertained and the group tried to turn it into a forum to express their political views I would demand my money back. From a Pearl Jam concert, the link to this article is here http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_1859200,00.html
Excerpts from Eddie Vedder concert
Warning: profanity
April 2, 2003
Before "Do The Evolution":
"I just wanna say one thing before the next song. We know about all what’s going on with the world these days. We all know what’s going on. We know some of what’s going on. We know what they tell us. We know some of what we found out on our own. You got a minute for this? Because it won’t even take that.
I talked with some guy, a guy who flew helicopters in Vietnam. I figured he knows more about this than a lot of people. He was over there. He probably knows more than a lot of our representatives, who were never over there. This guy’s got his shit together to this day. But he’s been thru this experience that he carries with him. I asked him what do you feel about this? He says ?did someone just say shut up? (boos). I don’t know if you heard about this thing called Freedom of Speech, man. It’s worth thinking about it, because it’s going away. In the last year of being able to use it, we’re sure as **** gonna use it, and I’m not gonna apologize. All I wanted to tell you was what this guy passed on to me ? he said it just upsets me. I’ve been there, I’ve seen that, I’ve seen the ugliness, I’ve sent he chaos, I’ve lived with what you have to live with afterward. He just doesn’t feel like we’ve evolved at all in 20 years.
And he mentioned Carl Sagan, who said we’re on the brink of forever, you and me, all of us, this country, this whole world. We’re all on the brink of forever. So we should come together, get this shit happening in a good way, so we can make it on to better days. It’s evolution, baby."
After the song:
Just to clarify - I was afraid with what was said before - we support the troops. (cheers). Our problem is certainly not with anybody over there doing something that not too many of us would do right now, not for these reasons. So to the families and those people how know those folks and are related to those folks and are married to those folks, we send our support.
We’re just confused on how wanting to bring them back safely all of a sudden becomes non-support. We love them, we support them. Our problem, they’re not the ones who make the foreign policy. They’re just doing their job. Let’s hope for the best and speak our opinions."
All right, this song’s off the last record. It’s a quiet one. A scud. A weapon of mass illumination. This song is called Thumbing My Way.
Vedder comes out wearing a Bush mask, which he then puts on a microphone stand like a severed head. At one point he either jabs the mask with the mike stand, or puts it on the floor and stomps on it (trying to clarify).

[hot_diggity_dog]

Here's a story about a different kind of "Pro" Athlete. Too bad these
guys can't make the kind of money the other pros make. Enjoy!
UNCLASSIFIED
An Elite Athlete.
By Tom Demerly.
It is dark and Mike Smith's clothing is wet. Mike Smith is an athlete,
an elite athlete in fact. He is a triathlete, has done Ironman several
times, a couple adventure races and even run the Marathon Des Sables in
Morocco- a 152 mile running race through the Sahara done in stages. Mike
has some college, is gifted in foreign languages, reads a lot and has an
amazing memory for details. He enjoys travel. He is a quiet guy but a
very good athlete. Mike's friends say he has a natural toughness. He
can't spend as much time training for triathlons as he'd like to because
his job keeps him busy. Especially now. This is Mike's busy season. But
he still seems very fit. Even without much training Mike has managed
some impressive performances in endurance events.
It's a big night for Mike. He's at work tonight. As I mentioned his
clothing is wet, partially from dew, partially from perspiration. He and
his four co-workers, Dan, Larry, Pete and Maurice are working on a
rooftop at the corner of Jamia St. and Khulafa St. across from Omar Bin
Yasir. Mike is looking through the viewfinder of a British made
Pilkington LF25 laser designator. The crosshairs are centered on a
ventilation shaft. The shaft is on the roof of The Republican Guard
Palace in downtown Baghdad across the Tigris River. Saddam Hussein is
inside, seven floors below, three floors below ground level, attending a
crisis meeting.
Mike's co-worker Pete (also an Ironman finisher, Lake Placid, 2000) keys
some information into a small laptop computer and hits "burst transmit".
The DMDG (Digital Message Device Group) uplinks data to another of
Mike's co-workers (this time a man he's never met, but they both work
for their Uncle, "Sam") and a fellow athlete, at 21'500 feet above Iraq
15 miles from downtown Baghdad. This man's office is the cockpit of an
F-117 stealth fighter. When Mike and Pete's signal is received the man
in the airplane leaves his orbit outside Baghdad, turns left, and heads
downtown.
Mike has 40 seconds to complete his work for tonight, then he can go for
a run.
Mike squeezes the trigger of his LF25 and a dot appears on the
ventilator shaft five city blocks and across the river away from him and
his co-workers. Mike speaks softly into his microphone; "Target
illuminated. Danger close. Danger Close. Danger close. Over."
Seconds later two GBU-24B two thousand pound laser guided, hardened
case, delayed fuse "bunker buster" bombs fall free from the F-117. The
bombs enter "the funnel" and begin finding their way to the tiny dot
projected by Mike's LF25. They glide approximately three miles across
the ground and fall four miles on the way to the spot marked by Mike and
his friends.
When they reach the ventilator shaft marked by Mike and his friends the
two bunker busters enter the roof in a puff of dust and debris. They
plow through the first four floors of the building like a two-ton steel
telephone pole traveling over 400 m.p.h., tossing desks, ceiling tiles,
computers and chairs out the shattering windows. Then they hit the
six-foot thick reinforced concrete roof of the bunker. They burrow four
more feet and detonate.
The shock wave is transparent but reverberates through the ground to the
river where a Doppler wave appears on the surface of the Tigris. When
the seismic shock reaches the building Mike is on he levitates an inch
off the roof from the concussion.
Then the sound hits. The two explosions are like a simultaneous crack of
thunder as the building's walls seem to swell momentarily, then burst
apart on an expanding fireball that slowly, eerily, boils above Baghdad
casting rotating shadows as the fire climbs into the night. Debris
begins to rain; structural steel, chunks of concrete, shards of glass,
flaming fabrics and papers.
On the tail of the two laser guided bombs a procession of BGM-109G/TLAM
Block IV Enhanced Tomahawks begin their terminal plunge. The
laser-guided bombs performed the incision, the GPS and computer guided
TLAM Tomahawks complete the operation. In rapid-fire succession the
missiles find their mark and riddle the Palace with massive explosions,
finishing the job. The earth heaves in a final death convulsion.
Mike's job is done for tonight. Now all he has to do is get home.
Mike and his friends drive an old Mercedes through the streets of
Baghdad as the sirens start. They take Jamia to Al Kut, cross Al Kut and
go right
(South) on the Expressway out of town. An unsuspecting remote CNN camera
mounted on the balcony of the Al Rashid Hotel picks up their vehicle
headed out of town. Viewers at home wonder what a car is doing on the
street during the beginning of a war. They don't know it is packed with
five members of the U.S. Army's SFOD-D, Special Forces Operational
Detachment - Delta. Delta Force.
Six miles out of town they park their Mercedes on the shoulder, pull
their gear out of the trunk and begin to run into the desert night. The
moon is nearly full. Instinctively they fan out, on line, in a "lazy 'W'
". They run five miles at a brisk pace, good training for this evening,
especially with 27 lb. packs on their back. Behind them there is fire on
the horizon. Mike and his fellow athletes have a meeting to catch, and
they can't be late.
Twenty seven miles out a huge gray 92 foot long insect hurtles 40 feet
above the desert at 140 m.p.h. The MH-53J Pave Low III is piloted by
another athlete, also a triathlete, named Jim, from Fort Campbell,
Kentucky. He is flying to meet Mike.
After running five miles into the desert Mike uses his GPS to confirm
his position. He is in the right place at the right time. He removes an
infra-red strobe light from his pack and pushes the red button on the
bottom of it. It blinks invisibly in the dark. He and his friends form a
wide 360 degree circle while waiting for their ride home.
Two miles out Jim in the Pave Low sees Mike's strobe through his night
vision goggles. He gently moves the control stick and pulls back on the
collective to line up on Mike's infra-red strobe. Mike's ride home is
here.
The big Pave Low helicopter flares for landing over the desert and
quickly touches down in a swirling tempest of dust. Mike and his friends
run up the ramp after their identity is confirmed. Mike counts them up
the ramp of the helicopter over the scream of the engines. When he shows
the crew chief five fingers the helicopter lifts off and the ramp comes
up. The dark gray Pave Low spins in its own length and picks up speed
going back the way it came, changing course slightly to avoid detection.
The men and women in our armed forces, especially Special Operations,
are often well trained, gifted athletes. All of them, including Mike,
would rather be sleeping the night away in anticipation of a long
training ride rather than laying on a damp roof in an unfriendly
neighborhood guiding bombs to their mark or doing other things we'll
never hear about.
Regardless of your opinions about the war, the sacrifices these people
are making and the risks they are taking are extraordinary. They believe
they are making them on our behalf. Their skills, daring and
accomplishments almost always go unspoken. They are truly Elite
Athletes.
Shelton S. "Sandy" Mackey III
Security Support
Information Operations
HDD :cool:

[Catmando]

The mind of George W. Bush is a very strange, but very simple, organism.
www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5535667.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5535667.htm)

[Jbb]

An Iraqui lawyer,visiting his wife in the hospital noticed guards at a door and asked a doctor friend why ...The doctor replied...a prisoner is in that room.Being curious the lawyer looked in the room to find a large brave Iraqui soldier slapping the shit out of the prisoner...Jessica Lynch....He Immediately contacted the Marines and gave a detailed hand drawn map of where she was.
Rescued POW's father says Iraqi who reportedly led U.S. troops to her deserves 'world of hugs'
PALESTINE, W.Va. (AP) - The father of rescued POW Jessica Lynch praised an Iraqi lawyer Friday who reportedly led U.S. troops to the hospital where his injured daughter was being held. He said the man deserves ``a world of hugs.''
``I am truly grateful,'' Greg Lynch told NBC's ``Today'' show. ``I realize he risked his own life to do this. The man is an angel and a god in his own ways.''
Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, was back in surgery Friday at a U.S. military hospital in Germany so doctors could work on her broken legs and broken arm, her father told the morning network news shows.
On Thursday, surgeons at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center repaired a fractured disc in her back that had been pressing on a nerve.
``The prognosis for her recovery is excellent,'' the medical center commander, Col. David Rubenstein, said Friday. ``Her emotional state is extremely good. She's jovial. She's talking with staff.''
Her family still doesn't know how or when she received the injuries but has been told she wasn't shot or stabbed when she was captured on March 23 or during her ordeal as a prisoner of war, her father said.
``It was requested by the doctor we don't bring up too much of the past she has been through,'' Greg Lynch told ABC's ``Good Morning America.''
As for when the family will see her, ``We want that to be on Jessi's terms,'' he said. ``When she is ready, I'm sure she will let us know and we'll be on the way.''
Lynch, an Army supply clerk, was rescued from her captors at an Iraqi hospital on Tuesday, more than a week after her 507th Maintenance Company convoy made a wrong turn and was ambushed by Iraqi troops. Twelve other soldiers in the convoy have been listed as prisoners of war or missing in action.
According to reports Friday in USA Today and The Washington Post, an Iraqi lawyer tipped U.S. forces to Lynch's location in a Nasiriyah hospital, supplying detailed information that helped rescuers find her.
Greg Lynch said Friday that if he ever meets the lawyer, ``He would get a world of hugs out of that heroic deal.''
``We owe him our life and Jessi's life for what he had done,'' he said on CBS' ``The Early Show,'' adding, ``We hope the rest of the MIAs do make it home as safe.''
During the raid to rescue Lynch, U.S. troops also found 11 bodies in and near the hospital. Military officials said Thursday that nine are believed to be American soldiers, though it wasn't known if any were from Lynch's unit. The bodies were flown to the military mortuary at Dover Air Force Base for identification.
Lynch's family received a Department of Defense briefing Thursday at their home in rural Wirt County. Her parents said it focused mostly on her medical condition rather on what happened to her in captivity.
``We know she is in good spirits because they told her they were going to put pink casts on her legs and arm,'' her father said. ``And she had a pink cast when she was in the third grade on her arm.''
In phone calls home, she also expressed curiosity about whether her capture and rescue had made the local newspaper, the Parkersburg News and Sentinel, the family said.
``She doesn't know what kind of uproar she's caused right now,'' her brother, Greg Lynch Jr., said. ``She's definitely a hero. Whether she realizes it or not - not only to our family, but to the whole nation.''
Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[LVjetboy]

I just got this image of the Iraq minister of (dis)information in my head. A US soldier holding an M-16 to his head.
Caption reads,
"Ok, how close to Baghdad are we now MOTHER FU*KER!"
jer

[Dog]

LVjetboy:
I just got this image of the Iraq minister of (dis)information in my head. A US soldier holding an M-16 to his head.
Caption reads,
"Ok, how close to Baghdad are we now MOTHER FU*KER!"
jer If one of out photoshop experts could do that i bet it would be all over the internet in a few days.

[Seadog]

A real cool cartoon was in the paper yesterday. It showed the Iraqi information minister saying to the press that they had run the Americans out of Bagdad. In the background were U.S. soldiers holding signs like Hi Mom and Saddam sucks eggs, while one troop held up the the turkey feather sign behind the minister's head.
As far as our forces go, the biggest downsizing came mid 70's when the draft ended. When the first Iraq war happen, we were in the midst of removing several heavy units from Europe as part of another downsizing. These units were sent to the Middle East and then sent home or left in place. We have the best military on earth, but yes we could get stretched thin if another major front opened up. However, there is no lack of recruits. I would suspect that with the slow economy, that the military is attracting many young men that otherwise been tempted by big bucks. Of course, I have found the coastal states to be very anti-military in attitude and many have declined to serve because of peer pressure. If our nation was in peril or we had another major attrocity, I have little doubt that we would see young men and women lining up to enlist.

[GlastronGuy]

I love the photoshop idea>
Saw this on foxnesw.com:
After bombing Saddam Hussein's New Presidential Palace on Monday, the U.S. Army swept in and took inventory. Soldiers searched the vast complex by the river and marveled at what they saw.
"This used to be a nice place, they should make it like a Six Flags, or something," said Spc. Robert Blake, 20, of State College, Pa., and the 3rd Battalion, 7th Infantry
LOL, Six Flags!

[Seadog]

According to Rush, the coalition would like to get help from Peter Arnett. They want to get DNA samples of Saddam's ass from his lips.

[CA Stu]

Catmando:
The mind of George W. Bush is a very strange, but very simple, organism.
www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5535667.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/5535667.htm) Sorry, man. I can't agree with you there. The Pres has the best education money can buy, and unlike the rest of us, doesn't have to rely on the (biased) media for his information.
Sometimes you just have to pick a side in this world, I'll pick the Pres.'s side.
Who's side are you on?
CA Stu

[Jbb]

Why The Military Salutes Bush - Not Clinton
Whether you actually like George W. or not.... This is worth reading...
First, an observation. Have you noticed a difference in the salute?
Given by our military men and women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice anything, but those of us who have served in the military see it right away.
Next time, Watch: When President Bush leaves his helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as he disembarks, and then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They continue to salute his back as He walks away. This kind of salute has not been seen in the previous Eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the Commander-in-Chief.
You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and face the President as they salute.
They are not required to salute his back. They are only required to salute.
They can remain face-forward the entire time. And that is what they did during the previous administration. Our soldiers were forced to obey his orders, but they were not forced to respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
Why is such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know How to bite his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!
The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian Fellowship.
He lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
His executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the hospital when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed with Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of Brian's bed and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his burned and bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief almost never initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But he did, out of respect to his President ...-a Soldiers' President.
Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the right Thing when nobody is looking," (My favorite quote of all time.) The nation and world learned some of what our last President did when nobody was looking. That President has been disbarred. The worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have a difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.
In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President Whom the soldiers salute -- fully.
On Special Report with Brit Hume, at the close of the show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed President Bush and the First Lady on their way to Maine to leave for Camp David for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the way into the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president is right behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered the chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The Scottie the president was walking decided it wanted to sit right when he got to the steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie persisted in sitting. The president bent down and scooped up the pooch and entered Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned to the position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from the helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at attention, head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped him on the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the President and received his returned salute!
I was so impressed by this true act of respect for our military people By our President! He really does get it. Most any other person of his Stature would have just continued his journey, disregarding the neglected Return salute. Not George W. Bush. He is earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it -- as most have and would.

[sandblasted]

Hey jetboat Brian...Couldn't agree with you more. My brother-in-law is a Lt. Colonel in the Marine Corp. We had frequent discussions during Clinton's presidency regarding how the military felt about him. I can tell you the vast majority of our uniformed personnel was disgusted with Clinton. In fact the officers of the Marine Corp, and I'm sure the other branches actually had to enforce a rule that their personell could not write letters to the editor or make deragatory statements about clinton in public. There were actually several people in the Marines that were disciplined for speaking out about Clinton.
The only reason Clinton was saluted was becuase of the title "Commander-in Chief", they saluted the office, not the man. In 8 years he never earned their respect. I think that says a lot about him.

[Her454]

From a Romanian newspaper
>
>Read this excerpt from a Romanian Newspaper. The article was written by
>Mr. Cornel Nistorescu and published under the title "C"ntarea Americii
>meaning "Ode To America") on September 24, 2002 in the Romanian newspaper
>Evenimentul zilei("The Daily Event" or "News of the Day").
>
>~An Ode to America~
>
>Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if
>you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world
>and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.
>
>Still, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a
>hand put on the heart. Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the army,
>and the secret services that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody
>rushed to empty their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets
>nearby to gape about. The Americans volunteered to donate blood and to
>give a helping hand.
>
>After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking
>ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national
>flag. They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on
>every car a government official or the president was passing. On every
>occasion they started singing their traditional song: "God Bless America!"
>
>I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for hours listening to
>the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors with a woman in a
>wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the Californian hockey
>player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists and prevented the
>plane from hitting a target that could have killed other hundreds or
>thousands of people.
>
>How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being?
>Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some turned
>into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call, millions
>and millions of dollars were put in a collection aimed at rewarding not a
>man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy.
>
>What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way? Their land? Their
>galloping history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for hours to find
>an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding
>commonplace.
>
>I thought things over, but I reached only one conclusion... Only freedom
>can work such miracles!

[Jbb]

Interesting article at Times online!
So who really did save Private Jessica?
From Richard Lloyd Parry in al-Nasiriyah
Doctor claims that soldiers terrorised unarmed staff
THE rescue of Private Jessica Lynch, which inspired America during one of the most difficult periods of the war, was not the heroic Hollywood story told by the US military, but a staged operation that terrified patients and victimised the doctors who had struggled to save her life, according to Iraqi witnesses.
Doctors at al-Nasiriyah general hospital said that the airborne assault had met no resistance and was carried out a day after all the Iraqi forces and Baath leadership had fled the city.
Four doctors and two patients, one of whom was paralysed and on an intravenous drip, were bound and handcuffed as American soldiers rampaged through the wards, searching for departed members of the Saddam regime.
An ambulance driver who tried to carry Private Lynch to the American forces close to the city was shot at by US troops the day before their mission. Far from winning hearts and minds, the US operation has angered and hurt doctors who risked their lives treating both Private Lynch and Iraqi victims of the war. “What the Americans say is like the story of Sinbad the Sailor — it’s a myth,” said Harith al-Houssona, who saved Private Lynch’s life after she was brought to the hospital by Iraqi military intelligence.
“They said that there was no medical care in Iraq, and that there was a very strong defence of this hospital. But there was no one here apart from doctors and patients, and there was nobody to fire at them.”
Dr Harith was on duty when Private Lynch was brought to al-Nasiriyah general by Iraqi soldiers a few days after her capture on March 23. She was a member of a 15-member US Army maintenance company convoy that was ambushed after taking a wrong turn near the city.
At the time, she was suffering from a head injury, a broken leg and arm, a bullet wound to her leg, a pulmonary oedema and her breathing was failing. In a hospital inundated with war casualties with few drugs, her condition was stabilised and she regained consciousness.
“She was very frightened when she woke up,” Dr Harith, 24, a junior resident at the hospital, said. “She kept saying: ‘Please don’t hurt me, don’t touch me.’ I told her that she was safe, she was in a hospital and that I was a doctor, and I never hurt a patient.”
Private Lynch’s military guards would allow no other doctor to tend to her and Dr Harith formed a friendship with her. She talked to him about her family, including her arguments about money with her father, and about her boyfriend, a Hispanic soldier named Ruben.
Dr Harith went outside the hospital during the bombing to get supplies of Private Lynch’s favourite drink, orange juice, and struggled to persuade her to eat.
“I told her she needed to eat to recover, and I brought her crackers, but her stomach was upset. She said as a joke: ‘I want to be slim.’
“I see (many) patients, but she was special. She’s a very simple person, a soldier, not well-educated. But she was very, very nice, with a lovely face and blonde hair.”
The Iraqi intelligence officers told the hospital that Private Lynch would soon be transferred to Baghdad, a prospect that terrified her.
After her condition stabilised, they ordered Dr Harith to transfer Jessica to another hospital.
Instead he told the ambulance driver to deliver her to one of the American outposts that had already been established on the ouskirts of the city.
“But when he reached their checkpoint, the Americans fired at him,” he said.
On April 1 the local Baathists fled al-Nasiriyah for Baghdad and arrived at the hospital looking for their prize captive. Dr Harith moved her to another part of the hospital, and other doctors told the soldiers that he was away.
“They said that they thought Jessica had died, and they didn’t know where she was,” he said. In their haste and confusion the soldiers left, leaving behind only a few critically injured soldiers.
The American “rescue” operation came on the night of April 2. The hospital was bombarded and soldiers arrived in helicopters and, according to the hospital doctors, in tanks that pulled up outside the hospital.
Most of the doctors fled to the shelter of the radiology department on the first floor.
“We heard them firing and shouting: ‘Go! Go! Go! Go!’ ” Dr Harith said. One group of soldiers dug up the graves of dead US soldiers outside the hospital, while another interrogated doctors about Ali Hassan al-Majid, the senior Baath party figure known as Chemical Ali, who had never been seen there. A third group looked for Private Lynch.
US soldiers videotaped the rescue, but among the many scenes not shown to the press at US Central Command in Doha was one of four doctors who were handcuffed and interrogated, along with two civilian patients, one of whom was immobile and connected to a drip. “They were doctors, with stethoscopes round their necks,” Dr Harith said.
“Even in war, a doctor should not be treated like that.”
Unluckiest of all was Abdul Razaq, one of the hospital administrators, who took shelter from the bombardment in Private Lynch’s room, believing that he would be safe.
He was seized and taken with the US soldiers on their helicopter to their base, where he was held for three days in an open-air prison camp.
“When he left his skin was the colour of yours,” another doctor, Mahmud, said. “When he came back, he was black.”
Bizarrely, the rescuers cut open a special bed, designed for patients with bed sores, which had been provided for Private Lynch’s use.
“They took samples of sand out of it,” Dr Harith said. “It was the only bed like it that we have, the only one in the governorate.”
Today, the hospital struggles on without adequate supplies of drugs and without running water or mains electricity.
“There are two faces to Americans,” Dr Harith said. “One is freedom and democracy, and giving kids sweets. The other is killing and hating my people. So I am very confused. I feel sad because I will never see Jessica again, and I feel happy because she is happy and has gone back to her life. If I could speak to her I would say: ‘Congratulations!’”

[HOSS]

And she gets medals and more pay and work profile and leave with pay and more rank and and and and and by the way, isn`t this a volunteer Army with good pay and benifits, And isn`t this a soldiers job and what they are sworn in to do. And isn`t part of that swearing in giving yourself to the benifit of your country and isn`t this why the taxpayers allow for so much cash to be devuldged to the top technological advances in warfare and don`t they draw a check and maybe just maybe they will have to work for their cash and do what they were sworn in to do.
Oh yeah,,, this is the "new" Army. FTA

[Catmando]

CA Stu:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Catmando:
[qb] Sorry, man. I can't agree with you there. The Pres has the best education money can buy, and unlike the rest of us, doesn't have to rely on the (biased) media for his information.
Sometimes you just have to pick a side in this world, I'll pick the Pres.'s side.
Who's side are you on?
CA Stu Shrub Bush graduated(barely) with a C- average. He was far more interested in cocaine and c**t than educating himself. That's why he's an anti-intellectual now.
As to whose side I'm on; I'm on the side of the American people, I'm on the side of our military(I'm a Vietnam-era veteran), but I'm NOT on the side of George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Jeb Bush or Neil Bush.
You want to be a Bush-lover, fine. This is a free country right now(but not for long with the bushites in power), so go for it. Enjoy your short-lived freedom while you can.

[Jbb]

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[Seadog]

Hoss, the Army today is just barely paying above poverty level due to pay funding coming from Congress. Most inactive military brought in for this are hurting from the cut in finances. And how much is too much pay for risking your life? Don't blame Jessica for the media. Her personal life is probably screwed now.
cat, you never cease to amaze me. Bush graduated from one of the elite schools that rejects 9/10ths of the applicants. A school so elite, that no one, not even the son of a liberal politician can slide in. He graduated in Business, one of their most prestigeous and toughest degrees, but he is anti-intellectual. Don't you mean anti-pompous suedo-intellectual like that genious that was a hohum graduate of a minor school in Journalism, where most can't even spell or put together a proper sentence. And then goes on to inspire 'Love Story' and invent the internet.
As far as Bush alleged coke use, just another unsubstantiated rumor. Maybe you are like an old employee I had who swore every one used drugs and cheated on their spouses because he and his buddies all did.
As for chasing c**t, I would hope so. I don't know what you would have chased, but I did and I feel good that he did.

[HOSS]

Just above poverty? That poverty is about 600 more a month than I got in the mid 80`s. So what was that? Way below poverty?
I`m not blaming her for anything. I`m showing how we are wasting bread. We will have to pay her for life. And again remember this is volunteer and yes can cost you your life. Not downplaying her committment at all.

[CALIFORNIA PERFORMANCE]

I hope this works. Check this out http://www.consumptionjunction.com/feat/cc/detail.asp?ID=19400&type=1&page=4 Let me know what you think.

[Jbb]

Here http://download.consumptionjunction.com/multimedia/cj_20113.jpg he is again!

[Tom Brown]

Nice work.
What's up with the Wings anyway? I wouldn't have thought they'd lose like that.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Catmando,
I'm curious. I can see you dislike Bush with a passion. Who in potitics do you like? What type of ideology do you favor?
Take the last pres election for example. Did you like the more authoritarian, less educated Al Gore, or the more libertarian Harry Brown, or perhaps you favor the hyperlitigious Ralph Nader?
I hope I'm not being to nosey, I'm just trying to understand your strong anti-Bush perspective.
You mentioned our freedoms as if they are something you value strongly. This would indicate that you dislike Dems and Greens even more, since their party platforms are far more authoritarian than Bush's. Are you a Libertarian?

[Catmando]

eliminatedsprinter:
Catmando,
I'm curious. I can see you dislike Bush with a passion. Who in potitics do you like? What type of ideology do you favor?
Take the last pres election for example. Did you like the more authoritarian, less educated Al Gore, or the more libertarian Harry Brown, or perhaps you favor the hyperlitigious Ralph Nader?
I hope I'm not being to nosey, I'm just trying to understand your strong anti-Bush perspective.
You mentioned our freedoms as if they are something you value strongly. This would indicate that you dislike Dems and Greens even more, since their party platforms are far more authoritarian than Bush's. Are you a Libertarian? Politicians; John Kerry and former Vt. Gov. Howard Dean
Ideaology; Social Liberal and economic Centrist
Last election; Brown had good things to say, but the Libertarian Party in the foreseeable future can't crack the two-party system we have now.
"Less-educated Al Gore"??? His degree may have been in Journalism, but he has given himself a far better education, and has used it far more wisely, than Shrub Bush ever has. Reading books and discussing environmental and scientific problems is not GWB's strong suit. Can you imagine Bush writing a book, especially on the intellectual level Al Gore is capable of? I don't think so.
Nader makes some good points, and one has to be impressed with his environmental knowledge, but he goes too far. IMO he went too far in the last election and cost Al Gore the White House. Some of you will cheer at that I'm sure.
As to being anti-Bush, no question about it. We know about his business dealings here in Texas; he failed at all of them, but kept getting bailed out by Tree Bush and his cronies. His smarmy aquisition of the Texas Rangers baseball and the shady, underhanded way he aquired the land to build the new stadium on.
HOWEVER, all that pales in comparison to the fact that, during wartime(Vietnam), he did not report to a unit in Alabama he was ordered to. Bushdaddy got him into the Texas Air National Guard, so he didn't think he had to take orders. He was AWOL for more than 30 days, and under the UCMJ that is classified as DESERTION. Makes me want to PUKE every time I see him salute. :mad: :mad:
Bush has never had charges brought against him by any military court. Gee I wonder why? Could it be because his daddy was a high-ranking spook with the NSA? If any of US deserted his unit during wartime, what do you think they'd do to us? Especially since that charge carries the death penalty as ultimate punishment?
If you want to read the whole story, go to www.awolbush.com. (http://www.awolbush.com.) That should open the eyes of a lot of veterans who think Bush is a warrior.

[eliminatedsprinter]

Catmando
I said less educated because not only was his major an easier one than Bush's, but his grades were worse as well. Gore's weakest subjects were the sciences esp biology.
I did not vote for Bush or Gore in 2000. I wasted my vote on the Libertarian (even though I strongly disagree with their goofy ideas on immigration).
The 2 things I hate most in a leader are authoritarianism and phoneyness.
For this reason I dislike Al Gore every bit as much as you dislike Bush.
I have spent some time following his past and he really scares me. I read the three way cross between Chicken Little, Mien Kamph(sp?), and the Unibomers Manifesto he calls a book on the environment (Earth in the Balance). It horrified me that an american "statesman" could write such an insidious piece of phoney trash. You see, the sciences, esp the natural sciences, were my strong suits in college and I aced them all (including climatology). This guys phony use of junk science and exaggerated anicdotes to advance his authoritarian political agenda and vilify the american capitalist very much reminded me of the way Hitler used the same to vilify jewish capitalists and advance his. I realize Gore is not as vile as Hitler, but I don't like how he blatently uses his same demagogic tactics. I have listened to so many of Gore's speeches and I think the fewist bald faced lies I have caught him at in a single speech is 3. Oh well, this response is growing too long winded and I've just scratched the surface on this. Perhaps I'll find the time for a bit more of this fun tomorrow.

[Catmando]

Gore the Bore was not my favorite Democratic candidate either. I would've been much happier with Kerry at the front. I think a Kerry/Dean ticket will be much more palatable to the Left/Centrist voters in 2004.

[Jbb]

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[Tom Brown]

That Iraqi minister of information needed bran far worse than I do.
I hope the Iraqis can rebuild their state in a way that improves the quality of life there. They've been living in Hussein's colon far too long.

[Jbb]

http://www.dailyadultjoke.com/politic/protest.jpg

[eliminatedsprinter]

Catmando
Apparently you still may have some moderate Dems in Texas, be very careful of them. Out here in Ca far left Dems have got into power by posing as moderates and are now pushing a far far left agenda that is rapidly killing our state and causing businesses both small and large to flee our state at record rates.

[Jbb]

Mother of all bombs?...
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[eliminatedsprinter]

P.S. Thanks for the reply Cat.
Take it from a former member of the left. Watch out for the Democratic Party. I don't know how they are in Texas (other than that Sheila Jackson Lee is a Lunatic) but here in Ca and at the National level their policy is to rate those of us middle class tax cows who enjoy high powered internal combustion motors and fast vehicles about even with gun owners, smokers, and wife beaters.