idiots at the river

[cheezpanel]

We just got back from the river...is it just me, or does anyone else notice the increase in idiots out on the water? I'm talking about people who just don't seem to know what the hell is going on around them, what etiquette is, or don't realize that there are other people on the water. I'm not talking about loud partiers who get a little crazy on the sandbars, but just clueless boaters. Some examples from the weekend: With kids in the water, I twice had to yell slow down at assholes who were oblivious that they were in a no wake zone. Couldn't let the kids kneeboard in Ferguson because a few idiots on sea doos were speeding around the toolies in all different directions. My thirteen year old was with friends on the beach where we set up-my anchor line was there, with a ball attached and visible. A guy tried to pull up and put his boat there and my daughter said to move it because I was coming back and that was my spot. He was cool, but WTF? When pulling out of the water today, a lady was sitting on the launch ramp in her motorhome waiting for someone to arrive with their boat. We couldn't see around them, but managed to get the boat out. Three more boats were out of the water by the time we headed up to the trailer and this asshole is still on the ramp, with no boat in sight. Sorry for the gripe session, just wanted to vent.
Later. :mad:

[Beautiful Noise]

What part of the River?(Parker Strip-Blythe-Needle's- ? )
Steve
[ June 29, 2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Beautiful Noise ]

[jlnorthrup122]

Want me to come out there and show em a lesson in me tug boat? :D :D :D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/610Harbor_tug_hull.jpg

[cheezpanel]

Beautiful Noise:
What part of the River?(Parker Strip-Blythe-Needle's- ? )
Steve Lower river down by Fishers/Martinez. We stay down at Hidden Shores

[Phat_Kat]

I'm with ya on this one. I am guilty of the toolie thing but I stay right up against the toolies where it's so shallow, nobody would even come near the area. The boaters today just don't get it. Especially these jackasses with the wakeboard boats. They think just because they're towing a skier that we'll let them off the hook for the wake. I was at the sandbar up the river from Aha Quinn a while back and we all had our boats lined up nice and neat. Now this jackass decides to use the 150FT wide area of the river to tow his skier back and forth knocking the boat around and I ended up spending 5 minutes just hanging on to my boat. It was bad enough that it was too shallow to be swinging a prop and be stuck on the beach but I don't need this dick head making sitting on the beach miserable too. I grabbed my dad's seadoo boat and spun right infront of the guy so he would stop. He got pissed and told me I was driving like a maniac. I said "hey dickhead look what you're putting everyone through with the piece of shit kicking up all the wakes!" He and his whole little gang look at the shore and saw everyone with a pissed off look on their faces and they realized that if they came at me(and they were looking to kick my ass) they'd be in for one hell of a ride. I've literally got about 50 stories with jackasses off the top of my head from this and last summer.
The Phat_Kat
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[LUVNLIFE]

They are all over and sad to say I think they are begining to outnumber the people with a clue.

[Mohavekid]

I hear ya.
It gets worse every year. I've been going since the early 60's and the change is incredable.
They have no clue what they're doing, and get pissed when you say something.
I hate to say it, you can't fix it so you just have to move to someplace that the new crowd does'nt know about yet. I just hope they don't figure it out.
[ June 29, 2003, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Mohavekid ]

[cheezpanel]

I hear you...I used to get the feeling that everyone sort of looked out for each other, not as much any more. Don't get me wrong, the majority of folks know what it's all about, but I find myself noticing more and more yoyos on the water.

[Mandelon]

It reflects a general change in society. :( Everyone out for themselves......no concern about right and wrong or consideration for others.

[Mohavekid]

Mandelon, you hit it right on the head.
Most people on the river used to be just your normal folks out for a quite good time. Very much live and let live out there. Not anymore, now you get people coming in and forcing their activities and music on others.
It's lamentable, but it's reality. It just makes it tougher to teach your kids the right way to do things when they see so many doing the wrong thing.

[Rexone]

A boating education and safety course should be mandatory IMO before anyone can operate a boat or PWC. It is really getting bad (and dangerous).
Kids don't go out and drive cars (legally) without drivers training. Why should boats, which IMO are more difficult to navigate and operate because of no marked lanes and no brakes be any different?
There'd be much less of this bs if people just had the training up front.

[nhbuoy]

HEY REXONE...How are you???...I am VERY HAPPY with the parts I got from you!!!It was a PLEASURE dealing with your outfit......Thanx again...Hopefully, more of your stuff will find it's way out here on the right coast...You can't believe how many people have asked me where I got my ski pole & wheel trim buttons!!!...Up heah in New Hampshire they are now mandating a boater safety course/test very similiar to the Coast Guard Power Squadron course although not as "intense", it is a step in the right direction...You study the course book & then take the test(on-line), (75 questions BTW), & if you pass they send you a certificate that you have to keep in your boat...Most of the questions are common sense, but there is something to be learned by all...Obviously you will never get rid of ALL the idiots & a$$holes, but I have found it to be a LOT saner out on my lake(Winnipesaukee) than in the past...I think the major thing is the lack of COURTESY (remember when you would WAVE to other boaters???...Now some of them flip you the BIRD!!!???) & "right-of-way" issues...The water patrol is VERY visible this year as well...I like the fact that people who are renting boats have to pass this test before they can go out on the water as well as new boat buyers...The waverunners & kid's in daddy's ski boat wont change tho...Too bad...Hey REXONE...How do you make a small fortune in the marine biz???...Start with a LARGE one!!!.........BTW...Where's my new catalogue???lol............

[spectras only]

As much as I'm against government involvement in our hobby ,it seems like a good thing that licencing is implemented [ as of january 1st 2003 ] for new boaters who were born after 1982 in our province. I'll have to get one in 2009 , regardless of my age and experience.However there will be crazies who might know the rules ,but like being "difficult" on purpose :mad: .I've seen it many times in the past.Don't think it's a new thing :p

[TIMEBOMB]

I don't think it's just at the river. Just this last week at a local Phoenix lake. (sagauro) We were next in line for the ramp. This jackass in a sparkley jet boat (nothing against jetboats) hauled ass around us and pulled up to the ramp got out paid and took off his tie downs. Then proceded to back into the next available spot. My wife can back up the trailer with the best of them, cut him off. I yelled few choice "ASSHOLE" argue at him and he then started telling me to chill out, he did not know we were in line and next. WTF I guess when he went around us he did not see me already in the driver seat ready to go. :confused: Well to make the story even better. We were way in the back in the NO WAKE ZONE and low and behold who comes zooming around the zone with a tuber in tow? but mister sparkly jetboat. burningm What an asshole. I have been around the water and on boats since I was 5 years old. The law of the water was taught to me by my parents and also just plain common sense. I hate to see the whole license thing but maybe that is what we need. Or maybe that is to touchy feely. Or maybe people that don't get it, should get there ass kicked, before they hurt someone on kill some poor kid that is just having a good time with mom and dad. My .02 cents. (mister sparkly jetboat if your out there read up or take a boating safety class. At least a class in manners. When you wrong, your wrong.) Later, Gary

[Foolish]

I hate driving cause of idiots on the road. I hate taking my boat out on crowded weekends cause of idiots on the lake! A lot of people don't know what they are doing and the other category of idiots are just too inconsiderate to really care what they are doing. It used to be that you could go to the lake hang out, meet new people, sit around bs, and get some good powerboating in....now you got a bunch of lil punks with daddy's gold card and his powerboat that doesn't even now how to dock! (I can't dock worth a crap...but i have a jet boat wink !)

[bordsmnj]

Well, i geuss it's the same all over. I launched out at elsinore today EARLY before all the idiots arived and at least once a day(on weekend outings)the gf tells me "calm down honey they don't know any better." at least once i'll get cut off by some jackass usualy (but not always) on a frickin' sea-doo with his/her kid steering. today it was in the "speed zone" of all places. and then there's all ways the token jackass who doesn't under stand why all the people just happen to be going slow by the dock area. Good thread here. I'm glad i can vent here to poeple that understand what ails me! :D better than going to jail for what i'd like to hand the idiots :mad: :rolleyes: :cool:

[Trailer Park Casanova]

Suddenly a re-emergence of stand up jet skis.
These are the guys that take you on head on, they're traveling the wrong way, jump your wake when you're towing someone.
Did someone come up with a cheap method to fix they're old broken down stand ups???
They're back in numbers.
I believe the crazyiest stretch is from the Casinos in Laughlin to the AVI. Perhaps first time riders, or an abundance of PWC renters. This is the dumbest stretch of the river in my book.

[wntitall]

aaahhhhhhhh, tpc, I see you have run the gauntlet. Definately a stressfull strech of water!!! frown

[bordsmnj]

Trailer Park Casanova:
Suddenly a re-emergence of stand up jet skis.
Did someone come up with a cheap method to fix they're old broken down stand ups???
They're back in numbers.
yeah someone did. i usualy reserve the method for fourth of july only. but if any one has one thats broken down (or that works great) bring it by. my method is guarenteed to set off every car alarm within a 2 block radius. well, one block at low altitude
:D

[Phat_Kat]

Trailer Park Casanova:
Suddenly a re-emergence of stand up jet skis.
These are the guys that take you on head on, they're traveling the wrong way, jump your wake when you're towing someone.
Did someone come up with a cheap method to fix they're old broken down stand ups???
They're back in numbers.
I believe the crazyiest stretch is from the Casinos in Laughlin to the AVI. Perhaps first time riders, or an abundance of PWC renters. This is the dumbest stretch of the river in my book. I ride a stand up because I think the stand up crowd is a lot smarter than the sitdown crowd. Before you snap listen to my reasoning. A stand up jetski is a bitch to ride proficiently and anyone who has ever tried will know that that's an understatement. It's because of this that have a lot more horrifying experiences due to the lack of control. This constant scaring the crap out of us gives us a strong sense in our mind that there are other people on the water. This is apposed to a sitdown where there is no trial and error deal. All you do is hit the throttle and you're a pro, at least in your mind. I don't have any pics of my ski but look for the 650 Kawi that's mainly light green and the handlepole is grey. I've either got a black hat on or if I don't have any hat on I have about 8 inches of blondish brown hair and I'm around 6'1 or so. I'm sure you've all seen my boat in my profile or somewhere in the 100 times I've posted the damn thing :D . Look for me in that too. See ya on the water.

[Moomawnster]

You folks with pwc's need to apply some peer pressure to the EFFup's who ride between 2 oncoming boats at 40 mph ... If the guy had not hauled ass as soon as he did it I was gonna sink that ****in stupid toy of his right there on the lake in 120 ft of water ...... all good sailors know , where your gonna go, down ..down ...down ...to the bottom ..... eek!

[Seadog]

Darwinism took its toll on Friday. They are still dragging for the body of a 37 year old local on Blackwell. He and some buddies were out on a bass boat around midnight, drunk. The driver makes a hard fast turn suddenly and the guy goes flying. No life jacket and can't swim. They went back, but saw only one brief glimpse of him as he sank underwater.

[Blown 472]

And why is it when I am at the beach and the other boats roll in with their f'ing kids they have to throw sand right next to my boat?? I tell them to go throw sand by their boats and I get dirty looks from the parents of the little ****ers so I just push out and head to the lake. I am thinking next time I am going to throw sand at the parents. devil

[Posey]

I think its just a certain kind of person, they don't have any common since and their folks never taught them anything. They just hauled their ass to the mall and dropped them off. They do the same thing at the lake. Then we wonder why the hell they act that away. :mad: They are clueless on how to act at the lake. :confused:
I guess I need to thank my folks for givin' a shit and teaching me something :D
Just my 2 cents

[Mandelon]

A kid came off a tube in Mission Bay yesterday, and was hit by a PWC within seconds.... :( He's in the hospital. That should not happen.
They need to make some sort of test or license for those PWC's. They have made boating way too accessible to someone with a marginal credit score. $0 down, $0 interest and $0 payments for 6 months!!!
People are more rude today because their parents didn't teach them responsiblity and common courtesy. The parents are too busy working to keep up with the bills and pay taxes to be at home with the kids, or divorced and don't want to be the disciplinarian parent..
All you can do is watch out for them. I am not really looking forward to licensing, but it might help.

[Blown 472]

People are more rude today because their parents didn't teach them responsiblity and common courtesy. The parents are too busy working to keep up with the bills and pay taxes to be at home with the kids, or divorced and don't want to be the disciplinarian parent..
Can you say hyper mass consumerism?? :rolleyes:

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

I remember in the 1970s, my parents would take us to Lake Perris or Mohave in our boat and my dad would constantly tell us that "Boat owners are the biggest bunch of a$$holes there are." It seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. That was before PWC and wakeboards.
Segway to the wakeboards . . . we have had the same problem someone above mentioned regarding the big wakes. Here is my plea to the fans of the big wakes. . . if you see a bunch of people with their boats tied together, chillen in a cove or on a beach, please try to find another cove. We had two of our cleats ripped out due to the big wakes. I don't think people realize the effect that the wakes have on other people. Maybe the chillen' boats have a kid sleeping on a seat, or someone is in a cuddy ready to get his or head knocked, or, worse yet, trying to pour some tequila in the blender and spill it!!!!!
DANG! I HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!
Anyway, I hope you get the point. BTW, I wakeboard too, but not too well, so it's a good thing my boat doesn't throw much wake.
Bottom line.
There have always been a$$holes, always will be, just try not to let THEM spoil YOUR fun. Nothing irritates a jerk more than a nice guy.

[cheezpanel]

Well I guess I'm not alone. I agree w/ Mrs. Wood. Nothing irritates a jerk more than a nice guy. It's tough to give friendly advice to people who mistake your intentions and think you're just being an asshole....it's even tougher to be a nice guy though when safety is at stake. Have a great summer everyone!
Bill :D

[Phat_Kat]

Posey:
I think its just a certain kind of person, they don't have any common since and their folks never taught them anything. They just hauled their ass to the mall and dropped them off. They do the same thing at the lake. Then we wonder why the hell they act that away. :mad: They are clueless on how to act at the lake. :confused:
I guess I need to thank my folks for givin' a shit and teaching me something :D
Just my 2 cents With ya there! My Dad gave me a good smack upside the head more times than I can count, but I am now one of the most responsible Jet Skiers and boaters you'll see. The only time that I'm not responsible is when I encounter a jetskier that won't move his little 12 FOOT JETSKI out of the way of my 20 FOOT BOAT. I'll just go straight at them till they move cause I'm not giving that lazy **** the graditude of pushing a boat over, especially not mine.
That's just how I handle assholes on ski's I don't have that luxury with boats so I just get over to the right if possible.

[Phat_Kat]

Blown 472:
And why is it when I am at the beach and the other boats roll in with their f'ing kids they have to throw sand right next to my boat?? I tell them to go throw sand by their boats and I get dirty looks from the parents of the little ****ers so I just push out and head to the lake. I am thinking next time I am going to throw sand at the parents. devil I'll second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mrs. WetDream]

In drivers ed they are getting stricter with the kids here in PA. They have to wait for six months before taking the test. They have to have so many hrs. driving at daytime and at nighttime.
But on water or land all ages are Vary Inconsiderate & No Consideration for anyone anymore.
But some people don't know about the boating classes. That are to be taken now in some states. You can even do it on line at cgaux.org/cgauxweb/public/pubframe.htm :)

[Phat_Kat]

Mrs. WetDream:
In drivers ed they are getting stricter with the kids here in PA. They have to wait for six months before taking the test. They have to have so many hrs. driving at daytime and at nighttime.
But on water or land all ages are Vary Inconsiderate & No Consideration for anyone anymore.
But some people don't know about the boating classes. That are to be taken now in some states. You can even do it on line at cgaux.org/cgauxweb/public/pubframe.htm :) Nobody actually takes those things including me. Then again I do drive safe and everyone I know agrees to that. I do get very wild at times but I stay the hell away from everyone just to be safe.

[Foolish]

Mandelon:
A kid came off a tube in Mission Bay yesterday, and was hit by a PWC within seconds.... :( He's in the hospital. That should not happen.
They need to make some sort of test or license for those PWC's. They have made boating way too accessible to someone with a marginal credit score. $0 down, $0 interest and $0 payments for 6 months!!!
People are more rude today because their parents didn't teach them responsiblity and common courtesy. The parents are too busy working to keep up with the bills and pay taxes to be at home with the kids, or divorced and don't want to be the disciplinarian parent..
All you can do is watch out for them. I am not really looking forward to licensing, but it might help. I lived in San Diego up until 2 months ago and Mission Bay has that reputation. Its over run by PWC's and there is no control, but every one knows that. One time I was wakeboarding and right behind me a PWC was riding our wake! Police nabbed him :D

[Phat_Kat]

Foolish:
Mandelon:
A kid came off a tube in Mission Bay yesterday, and was hit by a PWC within seconds.... :( He's in the hospital. That should not happen.
They need to make some sort of test or license for those PWC's. They have made boating way too accessible to someone with a marginal credit score. $0 down, $0 interest and $0 payments for 6 months!!!
People are more rude today because their parents didn't teach them responsiblity and common courtesy. The parents are too busy working to keep up with the bills and pay taxes to be at home with the kids, or divorced and don't want to be the disciplinarian parent..
All you can do is watch out for them. I am not really looking forward to licensing, but it might help. I lived in San Diego up until 2 months ago and Mission Bay has that reputation. Its over run by PWC's and there is no control, but every one knows that. One time I was wakeboarding and right behind me a PWC was riding our wake! Police nabbed him :D We had some dickhead following a new wakeboarder(it was obvious that he was new to wakeboarding) and he was working the wake in a 20FT yamaha. The guy was like 30 feet behind out skier. When he finnally passed us he did one of those chef kisses. That thing where you kiss your fingers and wave. My Dad was driving and my dad just fipped him off but the guy didn't see. I don't even want to go into what I would've done.

[NastyOne]

Why dont you guys just tell them the rules and try to help them out, insted of bitching about it and trying to get away from them? The lake is only so big. wink

[cheezpanel]

NastyOne:
Why dont you guys just tell them the rules and try to help them out, insted of bitching about it and trying to get away from them? The lake is only so big. wink You're right...but when the attitude you get back is more often one of "mind your own business" instead of "thanks for the heads up" it's a bit frustrating.

[NastyOne]

cheezpanel:
NastyOne:
Why dont you guys just tell them the rules and try to help them out, insted of bitching about it and trying to get away from them? The lake is only so big. wink You're right...but when the attitude you get back is more often one of "mind your own business" instead of "thanks for the heads up" it's a bit frustrating. Yeha..... I figured that.

[Posey]

NastyOne:
Why dont you guys just tell them the rules and try to help them out, insted of bitching about it and trying to get away from them? The lake is only so big. wink I can just see me trying to tell them idiots some lake rules and try to help them out :rolleyes: It wouldn't be long and it would end up in fist city :mad: You can't tell people like that anything. They think they wrote the book.

[Jbb]

The West certainly does not have a lock on rude people on the water.I have had a few unpleasurable meetings with Pwc riders in the past.Where I boat there are lots of fisherman and lots of skiers. I always stay out of their way and never bother anyone...intentionally I had a woman on a jet ski off my bow far to the right come buzzing straight for us, never looking to the left as I was cruising at about 85 mph ..Im watching ,thinking surely she is gonna turn away,surely she must hear me/...Nope pulled in my path and shut the ski off...I turn to avoid her (not the easiest task in a fast tunnel jet)...and I come back and pull up to her and ask ...Lady,did you not see or hear me coming? (channel in the center of the lake).. She says in ( a drunken redneck stupor) Hell yes I saw you, but you assholes in fast boats think you own the damm lake...I made her aware that had our boats met ...I would have suffered some gelcoat damage and she would have lost her head !...she says "whatever"...I told her I would be coming back thru a little later If she would like to try again!...simply stated, a lack of respect for the safety and property of others!
[ July 01, 2003, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[LHC30Victory]

Since we're on the topic...I was pulling my son on a wakeboard by the entrace to Moabi when some #$@% on a PWC came by and roosted the boat! I couldn't run him over cause I was towing my kid but I did arm myself with a 12 gauge flare gun! To this day I am glad my wife was more sensible than I was...But HONEY!!!!

[Phat_Kat]

JETBOAT BRIAN:
The West certainly does not have a lock on rude people on the water.I have had a few unpleasurable meetings with Pwc riders in the past.Where I boat there are lots of fisherman and lots of skiers. I always stay out of their way and naver bother anyone...intentionally I had a woman on a jet ski off my bow far to the right come buzzing straight for us, never looking to the left as I was cruising at about 85 mph ..Im watching ,thinking surely she is gonna turn away,surely she must hear me/...Nope pulled in my path and shut the ski off...I turn to avoid her (not the easiest task in a fast tunnel jet)...and I come back and pull up to her and ask ...Lady,did you not see or hear me coming? (channel in the center of the lake).. She says in ( a drunken redneck stupor)In Hell yes I saw you, but you assholes in fast boats think you own the damm lake...I made her aware that had our boats met ...I would have suffered some gelcoat damage and she would have lost her head !...she says "whatever"...I told her I would be coming back thru a little later If she would like to try again!...simply stated, a lack of respect for the safety and property of others! My cousin had an almost identical run in with a redneck like that. Needless to say, he carries his 9mm for a good threat under the seat.

[Jbb]

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[ July 01, 2003, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: JETBOAT BRIAN ]

[Freak]

I leave early for work to avoid the idiot's on the road. I eat lunch at 11:00 to avoid the jerks. I go far from everybody on the river to avoid the fools, I get there early to avoid the launch ramp mess and everybody seems to want to go home around 5 so I head back to ramp at 6. We go to the grocery store at 6am to avoid the idiot's who shop down the center of the isle so you can't get by and give you a dirty look when you say excuse me. I go to Wal mart in the wee hours in the morning to avoid the mess. It works for us. Just imagine what it is going to be like in another 10yrs.

[Phat_Kat]

I think that in the next 10 years we're going to be motorcycles all over again. More and more of our areas will be shut down by environmentalists that actually have a good point on our polution levels. You might say to youself "nobody around me litters!" I'd like you to stay a few days after the major holidays and pull up to the channels that get used most. Just look around at how badly poluted everything is. The worst part is that it's the younger crowd that's doing this and they just don't care. Everything will be lost because these dickheads couldn't just use a trash can. I fit into the age range but my parents raised me to respect the water.
Just what I think

[BK]

Blown 472:
And why is it when I am at the beach and the other boats roll in with their f'ing kids they have to throw sand right next to my boat?? I tell them to go throw sand by their boats and I get dirty looks from the parents of the little ****ers so I just push out and head to the lake. I am thinking next time I am going to throw sand at the parents. devil I have 2 1/2 and 4 year old boys and thats the biggest thing im trying to teach them now, no sand or rock throwing PERIOD! Gotta watch em like a hawk!
We where out on Shasta a couple of weeks ago and had 3 young girls (14-16 years old max) cruising along side us when all of a sudden she speeds up and pulls right in front of me, couldnt have been 20 feet off my bow! When I waived them down and got them to stop they were all smiling like it was a game or somthing. After telling them how I felt about what they had just done they didnt seem to be having as much fun, kind of a buzz kill I guess. The thing is we were in a real buisy part of the lake and didnt see the parents around anywere! No way I let my kids out of my site at that age on a PWC. eek!

[BiggusJimbus]

Hey Byron,
Even worse, down where we moved Sunday and Monday(beehive beach), kid on a PWC, probably 14 or so, Taking off full speed and zipping around where all the kids are swimming. It's a huge lake for godsakes. Pull 100 yards away before doing that. Parents are right there. They seem to have no problem with that. Hell with knowing the rules. That would be great if they would. At least use some common sense.
To top it off, we were finding rocks on the point about 3 feet under water right there. In a week, they will be 6 inches under water. That'll probably be what get's the parents attention, when they have to go get the ski fixed because the kid hit a rock.
Probably the most that we can do is raise a generation of boaters that have some respect for the fun and danger in what they are doing.
Good Luck.
[ July 01, 2003, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: BiggusJimbus ]

[dcb carrera]

How come nobody thinks cigarettes butts are litter :confused:The channel sand is full of them.

[bordsmnj]

i keep an empty water or gatorade bottle(with an inch of water left) on the boat at all times. just for cig buts. it's extremely bad kharma to throw shit over board.in the engine compartment is a roll of trash bags with a rubber band around it.
in other news while out at elsinore the other day i pulled (literaly) a 350lb kid outa the water and his buddy. both where about 14 yr. old turned around and lassued there half sunk see-do and towed them in. these guys where going to swim to the dock a quarter to an eighth mile away while the damned seado sunk. there buddy was still riding around paying them no attention. could be bothered to go get a fricken rope. therre dad was at the dock waiting you guessed it with another working sea-do. i couldn't believe it. the dad said to me as i stop and pulled his jetski in toward the dock by hand "oh, be carefull don't let it hit the the dock!" like i was just some rookie. no thank you, no smiles, just ****ing rude ass "hey be carefull" i said "hey! way to look out for your kids jack ass and put it in nuetral and reved my motor at him to drown out his stupid comments. and idled back out. Here i thought i did this asshole a favor next time i am wiser bring the kids back tell the guy up front he's a ****in moron.AND LET THE LICE SINK! i'll probably be nice guy again in reality but GRRRRR! :mad: