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HCS
02-03-2003, 02:40 PM
This is suppose to be the wing on the space shuttle???
http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2003/02_Febbraio/03/crepe.jpg

JetBoatRich
02-03-2003, 02:52 PM
Find it hard to beleive the picture is real and they would let it try to land with these big cracks :o

24RODjr
02-03-2003, 03:50 PM
bad photoshop...

Froggystyle
02-03-2003, 04:03 PM
Horrible photoshop...

126driver
02-03-2003, 04:04 PM
HARDCORE-SKI:
This is suppose to be the wing on the space shuttle???Not likely. The wings cannot be viewed from the crew compartment and there are no external cameras if I am not mistaken, which is why they were considering taking pics of the wing with a Keyhole-class spy sattelite but decided against it.

HCS
02-03-2003, 05:21 PM
That was suppose to be taken by the Israel Col.
They say he took the picture in space and sent it to his family. :p

HalletDave
02-03-2003, 05:27 PM
I am not buying that. Are we being led to believe all the tiles are missing in that area of the wing?
HD

HCS
02-03-2003, 05:33 PM
HalletDave:
I am not buying that. Are we being led to believe all the tiles are missing in that area of the wing?
HD I don't buy it either, that was published by an Italian news paper. :rolleyes:

126driver
02-03-2003, 07:38 PM
HalletDave:
I am not buying that. Are we being led to believe all the tiles are missing in that area of the wing?
HD Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but Col. Ramon was a Payload Specialist and certainly not trained for a space walk, nor do I believe that any space walks were scheduled for the mission. And further, the tiles are located on the bottom of the shuttle which is inaccessable during a space walk because there isn't anything to grab onto.

Jordy
02-03-2003, 08:37 PM
All the reports I have heard have said the same thing. There was no way to determine the extent of the damage to the tiles or repair them as they weren't equipped to space walk, nor did they have the robotic arm in the cargo bay as it wasn't a payload mission.
The sad thing is, they had a NASA spokesman on talking about how there was a meeting regarding the foam damage to the tiles and how they may have made a miscalculation regarding the severity of the damage and the effects it would have upon re-entry.
The whole thing is a horrible tradgedy, however, I think I almost feel worse for the people who have to live with themselves knowing that they made an error that caused this disaster and claimed the lives of 7 courageous individuals.
Jordy :(
p.s. Fuq anyone who thinks this was an act of God for our threats against any piece of shit third world rock farm. :mad: Time to go break up and rearrange some more rocks and camels.

Jordy
02-03-2003, 08:40 PM
and that big "fuq you" goes double for whatever asshole decided to photoshop a close up of a surfboard over a picture of the earth... slime ball douche bag ass rammin' mutha focker. :mad:

Her454
02-03-2003, 08:57 PM
jordanpaulk:
The whole thing is a horrible tradgedy, however, I think I almost feel worse for the people who have to live with themselves knowing that they made an error that caused this disaster and claimed the lives of 7 courageous individuals.
Jordy
My heart goes out to the families of all on board, for having to endure pictures like this, newspaper articles and much much more in the days to come.
frown

jetaddict
02-04-2003, 08:42 AM
The news had a video feed off of an e-mail from the shuttle and believe it or not by looking out the window in the foreground you can see the wing and there is a large gash in the wing and also a pretty large dent close to it. The video was very clear. How nobody actually saw it is beyond me.You can definately see the dent and crack in the wing.There is no black spots on it though. There is some truth to that picture.I feel for the guy's that calculated the error. God bless all. frown

FishBoneRipple III
02-04-2003, 11:27 AM
NASA may have proof of the underside wing condition that they cannot release. The Starfire Optical Range took photos of the Shuttle as it passed over New Mexico. Starfire claims a resolution of 1-foot items at 600 miles. The Shuttle was only at 39.2 miles high. Starfire is used for ground surveillance of foreign sattelites and uses telescopes with special computer-driven adaptive optics systems to nullify atmospheric turbulence.
My guess is, you'll never see the Starfire photos because if they claim 1-foot resolution, it's probably much better than that & they don't want other governments to know the Starfire capabilities. Nevertheless, NASA has the photos as of Monday morning...

HBjet
02-04-2003, 12:28 PM
Does anyone know what the f%#k a space shuttle looks like? If so, please tell me where you can be inside the shuttle and look at the bottom of the wing. I would really like to know!
Geez! There are no known photo's of the shuttle. If we can see it from the ground with Starfire and get some bad ass detailed photos, then Nasa would have looked at photos of the shuttle long before it was time to return, not just the video from lift off. Also, when the shuttle orbits earth, the underside of the shuttle faces away from earth, so there would be no way Starfire could take photos of the bottom without instructing the shuttle to rotate so it can. If they did have it rotate for photo's, then those photo's where looked at and still no threat was found.
Did anyone know a similar incident happen in 97' with Columbia and it landed ok? Nasa got to take a look at how badly damaged the tiles where, etc.
As for space walking.......come on, the shuttle wasn't equiped to do any type of space walking except inside the cargo bay. There was no arm to manuver them outside the shuttle.
This was a tragic accident everything was done that could have been.
HBjet

FishBoneRipple III
02-04-2003, 12:32 PM
I live in Albuquerque - we have strange facilities here that do "gubment stuff." Information doesn't normally make the AP or Reuters because, well...it's Albuquerque!

FishBoneRipple III
02-04-2003, 12:44 PM
HBJET -
you have to understand that the NASA engineers did not think that there was any significant damage - no need to ask for photos. Also, I'm not sure that the Shuttle orbit took it over NM except on landing. The landing glide path comes over southern NM.
The Starfire personnel took the photos when the shuttle was on it's landing glide path over NM on Sunday morning. They weren't asked to do it, they did it because they're optical geeks that like to see what their equipment will do. You know, will it slew fast enough to track the Shuttle? What can we see? etc.
On Sunday morning they would be able to see the entire bottom of the shuttle - or, as close in as their specialized, government-funded, one-of-a-kind optics would let them.
Also, an amateur astronomer in Deming contacted NASA to report two contrails instead of the normal one contrail as it passed over NM as another piece of information. This person has photos of 12 or more shuttles as they passed over NM on landing.
Just more data points for the NASA people to use...not conclusive proof BECAUSE Starfire provided photos. However, if the Shuttle had landed normally, you can bet the Starfire people would never have let NASA know they had photos of it. You can also bet that they wouldn't send NASA the photos if they didn't provide information of some type.

miller19j
02-04-2003, 12:49 PM
Our intelligence community has a load of sensors both on the ground and in space that could have taken data to help analyze the damage. Most of the data collected from these systems would be deemed “Classified” because of the nature of the device that it was taken with. You can bet that Nasa and the people doing that failure analysis have more information that what we as the public are seeing.
My father was involved in the failure analysis of the Challenger during the eighties and I know how hard the people involved now are working to get to the bottom of it. There is no need for armchair quarterbacking from the public.
What it all comes down to is that this was a tragic accident and we need to learn from these events make changes so it does not happen again and move on.

FishBoneRipple III
02-04-2003, 01:11 PM
"There is no need for armchair quarterbacking from the public."
I'd agree with that. Now how do you get the media "experts" (read ignorant talking heads) to shut up? They're the worst. They can't even report Mach numbers correctly because they don't know basic science - like the speed of sound - much less how to computer Mach numbers. "The shuttle, traveling at 12,500 miles per hour - or Mach 6..."
If they can't get the easy stuff correct and distort the very clear NASA briefings in an attempt to "manufacture" news - I don't see how posting real information on a Website even comes close to mass media generated stupidiity.

HBjet
02-04-2003, 01:23 PM
FishBoneRipple III:
"The shuttle, traveling at 12,500 miles per hour - or Mach 6..."The media said that? WTF?
that's just sad.
Miller, my mom works for Boeings Space Program and she had some input on the Challenger disaster as well. She was able to show us the first part of the Space Station years ago when it was under construction (through a window) and some new materials they where using to build it, and other projects. What sucks it she can't tell me what she does. She can't tell anyone. My step dad doesn't even know, and she doesn't even have business cards with her title. All I know is she works behind a vault door with armed guards outside it and all of our phone conv. are tapped by a live person.
She said she'll tell me when she retires, and swears it's not exciting! Still cool though.
HBjet
[ February 04, 2003, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: HBjet ]

miller19j
02-04-2003, 01:49 PM
HB Check your PM

Seadog
02-04-2003, 02:12 PM
Some military telescopes did take picture of the shuttle, but probably as an exercise because they get bored looking at the same old thing every day. NASA decided not to take pictures from the ground because they are often not conclusive. You have to remember that the tiles are a three part system. The top layer is designed to shear under impact. There are always some top tiles lost during a flight. Unfortunately, it appears likely that the takeoff impact from the fuel tank shield, took the tiles all the way off to the felt adhesive material. Even if they could discover the damage ahead of time, there was no solutions that would help. They were not equiped for space walking and could not dock with the station. The only question is whether they died a slow death or a fast death. I think it was best that they had so little time to contemplate the end. It is so easy to say what if, yet how many of us have been on a trip and regretted forgetting something?

Wingnut
02-04-2003, 04:05 PM
The picture in question appears to be either the forward or aft bulkhead. The black object in the center of the picture is either the payload bay door attachment or a roller support for the doors. Definitely not a picture of the wing or leading edge of the wing! The payload bay cameras are fixed in the payload bay and once the doors are opened, the wings are obstructed from view.

Jordy
02-04-2003, 04:09 PM
Wingnut:
The picture in question appears to be either the forward or aft bulkhead. The picture in question appears to be a horrible photoshop attempt...

JetBoatRich
02-05-2003, 08:48 PM
I still find it hard to beleive they would over look that!

Jordy
02-05-2003, 09:06 PM
Forensic:
Since then I have been wondering why nobody has been talking about it. Probably because the photo hasn't been deemed credible. Look at the article you linked:
Paper claims photo shows wing cracks
Image purportedly from NASA footage aboard Columbia gains global attention
Those bold buzz words (not from the paper, I did that part) along with other words like "suspect" and "goofy" coming from the mouths of NASA spokespeople seem like enough of a reason for you to not have seen it anywhere else.
They also had this picture:
http://209.17.95.115/images2/Columbiabay.jpg

78Eliminator
02-05-2003, 09:37 PM
jordanpaulk:
and that big "fuq you" goes double for whatever asshole decided to photoshop a close up of a surfboard over a picture of the earth... slime ball douche bag ass rammin' mutha focker. :mad: JP, I will hold him while you punch him in the stomach until he vomits blood.

JetBoatRich
02-05-2003, 09:39 PM
Nice one, I got your back

LHC30Victory
02-05-2003, 11:17 PM
Since we all are posting what may be rumors, here goes: got a conversation going with a friend who works at Hughes yesterday. He said that Hubble got several shots of the Columbia over several days. Every one of those pics has been classified! and are not publicly available. Who else can check this info?]
Regardless of how it happened, the crew and their families remain in our prayers.

Laveyman
02-06-2003, 05:58 AM
For the REAL story on the origin of this photo check out this website. This is the place where urban legends are squashed. Type "space shuttle" in the search bos and go to the article about this picture.
Its a real nice picture of the CARGO BAY of the shuttle, not the wing.
www.SNOPES.com (http://www.SNOPES.com)

JetBoatRich
02-06-2003, 06:47 AM
Thanks for the link, it proved the picture was wrong and someone idea of a joke.
Why?

AZKC
02-06-2003, 09:08 AM
There was some video that some guys in Flagstaff picked up on the pieces starting to fall off over AZ so the New Mexico people probably saw the same thing. interesting thread none the less..
KC

Wingnut
02-06-2003, 09:11 AM
Hubble cannot take a picture of the earth. The earth is to bright. hubble orbits the earth at approx 330 NM, on a different orbital inclanation, while the sts-107's orbit was probably around 140 - 170 Nm making it impossible to take a picture of the orbiter. As far as the material 'lifting', those are blankets in the payload bay that are fastened with velcro. they often lift, curl during thermal conditions (day vs night) and do not pose any problems.