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Bense468
03-22-2003, 01:28 AM
Is it me or are these fourms turning to shit? I have had a few people say to me "you are actually on those fourms" these are people in the boating industry. I am going to name any names at all. This has been said to me on more then one occasion "all that you do there is listen to a bunch of people whine, fight and talk about nothing" and "every time someone asks something in there it gets shot down and turned into something else" or "because someone does something different and it does not fit the standard, everyone talks shit about them". These were things all said to me to some extent or another.
I could not disagree with these comments. I just thought after hearing this a few times that it was time to post it.
I think things need to start changing around here though. I am going to do my best. Everyone needs to chill out and start talking boats again. If the fourms don't change soon, then I am gone because I almost feel embarassed to say that I am on here when someone asks me about it. Its like days of our lives, Nothing but drama.
[ March 22, 2003, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

Rexone
03-22-2003, 01:38 AM
yeah, what he said :)

Dog
03-22-2003, 02:07 AM
No one person is going to change anything. The only way to change anything is to not post on the drama threads. It takes all kinds of people to make something like this work and there are always going to be personalities clashing its just a fact of life. It is how you deal with it that makes these things work.
One recommendation i can think of is maybe go through and clean the sandbar from all the junk threads periodically because all the crying doesn't look good to new people coming on the board.
I have been reading the boards for over 2 years off and on. I have seen a lot of good people leave for just this reason. Its to bad the board has missed out on some good knowledge.

Rexone
03-22-2003, 02:34 AM
Problem is one man's junk is another man's jewel. As soon as threads are deleted, locked, or edited, the screaming is deafening. I agree it's a problem and I know for a fact good people are leaving and / or spending much less time on Hot Boat. Just don't know how to solve it while not infringing on anyone's right to free speech.

Dog
03-22-2003, 04:22 AM
I am all for freedom of speech, but just like in a place of business there are rules.
For example if you go to a restaruant and are causing a scene you will probably be ask to calm down, then asked to leave, then if you are still causing a scene you will probably be escorted out.
Someone has to draw the line on where it stops. In this situation though should it be the moderators that do a thankless job for nothing? I don't really think so.
I am just rambling off the top of my head not that i have any answers. Just some food for thought.

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 07:44 AM
Happens every year until the season starts...

JetBoatRich
03-22-2003, 07:58 AM
Havasu Hangin':
Happens every year until the season starts... Sure glad it is starting wink I started reading these last year and it seemed fine during the summer time.
:D :cool: :D

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 08:26 AM
JetBoatRich:
Sure glad it is starting wink I started reading these last year and it seemed fine during the summer time....Yeah...I hear ya. Last year it was attacked of the trolls...this year, it seems to be "family bickering"...
...however, when the season starts...then it's usually back to the important stuff...nice weather, drinking heavily, and what broke on your boat... http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy02.gif

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 08:31 AM
IMHO, they should have used anonymous Mods. I expressed this to the Admin when he went to Mods.
When people know who the Mods are they give them a hard time. Some Mods might be less inclined to take action on something because they know there would be a back lash directed at them. They also shouldn't use controversial people for Mods. Being a post ***** only means you have no life, not that you have an ability or the skills necessary to moderate.
On some of the larger forums I belong to, as soon as there is a personal attack that goes too far or inappropriate material is posted, the thread gets locked or deleted. The responsible party then gets locked out of the site (given a "vacation") for a week or two so they can't post. Serious offenders are banned. If they come back under another name they are banned again and their ISP contacted. This requires that members only be allowed to register from their ISP mail accounts. No Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.
On one forum the entire IP range of AOL is banned so that no one from AOL can post. There were too many problems with AOL kiddies.

HCS
03-22-2003, 08:32 AM
Spring is here, 70 degees here. :D Time to pre run the boat.
The forums will pick up. :rolleyes:

Jordy
03-22-2003, 08:34 AM
GlastronGuy:
Being a post ***** only means you have no life, not that you have an ability or the skills necessary to moderate. Hey now, that's a little too general there... some of us do have a life and the ability to multi-task, and I can only speak for myself on this one.
However, I suppose there are those that just feel the need to reply to every post in every thread. :D
[ March 22, 2003, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: jordanpaulk ]

HCS
03-22-2003, 08:37 AM
Don't you have to be on here all the time to be a mod?.

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 08:38 AM
GlastronGuy:
They also shouldn't use controversial people for Mods...Uhhh....what are you trying to say?

HCS
03-22-2003, 08:41 AM
Who is not controversial?
[ March 22, 2003, 08:41 AM: Message edited by: HARDCORE-SKI ]

bigq
03-22-2003, 08:59 AM
I've been around here a while and don't post much, but read a lot of it. When it started it seemed no one said much of anything. The board has a lot of members as far as message boards go and you are goin to get some boneheads on here. They should be moderated better because of the volumn of posts.
Also if people would post in the correct catagory might help some. The sandbar seems to be the place for most the crap ie, not boating related and should stay in that catagory. That may help.

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 09:00 AM
GlastronGuy:
Being a post ***** only means you have no life, not that you have an ability or the skills necessary to moderate. Hey now, that's a little too general there... some of us do have a life and the ability to multi-task, and I can only speak for myself on this one.
However, I suppose there are those that just feel the need to reply to every post in every thread. :D [/QUOTE]
That was general, I am sure there are those who can do it.
Havasu Hangin':
GlastronGuy:
They also shouldn't use controversial people for Mods...Uhhh....what are you trying to say? I am saying that people who post just for the sake of stirring up the shit (like me) have no business being a Mod. Mods, if not anonymous, should set an example for others to follow.
HARDCORE-SKI:
Who is not controversial? I could name them off the top of my head but they may not appreciate being brought into this.
[ March 22, 2003, 09:01 AM: Message edited by: GlastronGuy ]

JetBoatRich
03-22-2003, 09:02 AM
Your right better leaving that one alone, there is enough ill feelings going on already :D

Dog
03-22-2003, 09:24 AM
One more idea i thought about is adding one more forum to the list called "The Day Care" or something of that nature that way when a childish post or what ever you want to call them can just be moved to that forum and no one else has to see it and if you want the drama then you have the option of going to read it. I thought thats what the bench racers forum was supposed to be for but i havn't seen it used in that capacity.

bigq
03-22-2003, 09:49 AM
Dog:
One more idea i thought about is adding one more forum to the list called "The Day Care" or something of that nature that way when a childish post or what ever you want to call them can just be moved to that forum and no one else has to see it and if you want the drama then you have the option of going to read it. I thought thats what the bench racers forum was supposed to be for but i havn't seen it used in that capacity. I thought that is what the sandbar was for, non boating stuff to post if you wanted. I think they should just delete unwanted post. It is a public forum, but is run by a company that should be able to delete a post and then delete the rant of deleting the post.

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 09:52 AM
bigq:
Dog:
One more idea i thought about is adding one more forum to the list called "The Day Care" or something of that nature that way when a childish post or what ever you want to call them can just be moved to that forum and no one else has to see it and if you want the drama then you have the option of going to read it. I thought thats what the bench racers forum was supposed to be for but i havn't seen it used in that capacity. I thought that is what the sandbar was for, non boating stuff to post if you wanted. I think they should just delete unwanted post. It is a public forum, but is run by a company that should be able to delete a post and then delete the rant of deleting the post. I thought that was what the Sandbar was for too.

RaysonKid
03-22-2003, 09:54 AM
Yes, I agree.
I thought this was the place for "Open Topics"
Guess we need a definition.
There is still plenty of tech (BOAT) stuff in the PROPER areas.
[ March 22, 2003, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: RaysonKid ]

HCS
03-22-2003, 10:43 AM
RaysonKid:
Yes, I agree.
I thought this was the place for "Open Topics"
Guess we need a definition.
There is still plenty of tech (BOAT) stuff in the PROPER areas. It is for open topic, this is where the bull shit goes. I like reading all the BS on here. argue

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 10:45 AM
HARDCORE-SKI:
RaysonKid:
Yes, I agree.
I thought this was the place for "Open Topics"
Guess we need a definition.
There is still plenty of tech (BOAT) stuff in the PROPER areas. It is for open topic, this is where the bull shit goes. I like reading all the BS on here. argue I guess you've never seen Chet post in Just Jets.

Seadog
03-22-2003, 10:48 AM
If I want to talk boats and water activities, there are many forums for that. I am here because boaters share a social attitude that needs to be expressed. If those who complain want technology or boat comparisons, scroll down. If you want to understand the people who buy boats, this is the place to do that.

HCS
03-22-2003, 11:03 AM
GlastronGuy:
HARDCORE-SKI:
RaysonKid:
Yes, I agree.
I thought this was the place for "Open Topics"
Guess we need a definition.
There is still plenty of tech (BOAT) stuff in the PROPER areas. It is for open topic, this is where the bull shit goes. I like reading all the BS on here. argue I guess you've never seen Chet post in Just Jets. No I haven't. Am I missing something? :rolleyes: Actually, I don't have the time to read all the forums on here that I would like to. In general I see most people enjoying themselves. Since the HOT BOAT topic was moved it has become more informative. The Sandbar?.Well, there's been alot of tension in here lately. Some of it I find entertaining once I get through the nagging. :D

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 11:16 AM
I think how we deal with the slams and negative posts largely varies with our state of mind. Sometimes it's easier to deal with someone ragging on a buddy.
I enjoy this site. It's about the people who hang out here and that includes both their high and low moments. In that sense, it's all good.
It seems to me that ***boat and the appointed mods have done a really good job moderating the forums. I have a lot of respect for the integrity of the moderators. People are allowed to vent but it isn't allowed to go on ad nausium. I don't see anyone's freedoms being suppressed here.
Tom :)
[ March 22, 2003, 11:17 AM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

bigq
03-22-2003, 11:19 AM
Seadog:
If I want to talk boats and water activities, there are many forums for that. I am here because boaters share a social attitude that needs to be expressed. If those who complain want technology or boat comparisons, scroll down. If you want to understand the people who buy boats, this is the place to do that. I agree with Seadog. I see nothing wrong with most of the posting in the sandbar. Wouldn't we discuss things like this in person or are boaters just to simple minded to have discussions like these? This is a boating community site is it not? I see nothing wrong with hearing views from others about more than just boats. Sometimes we do get the phyco case that attacks someone personally which should be moderated and some personal issues that should use other means such as PM and e-mail. maybe their should be rules for the forum direction that is more clear, but that would be up to ***boat i believe.

RaysonKid
03-22-2003, 11:21 AM
riodog:
WHAT is a FOURM ?
Rio :confused: Its kind of like a Threesum....

RaysonKid
03-22-2003, 11:27 AM
GlastronGuy:
HARDCORE-SKI:
RaysonKid:
Yes, I agree.
I thought this was the place for "Open Topics"
Guess we need a definition.
There is still plenty of tech (BOAT) stuff in the PROPER areas. It is for open topic, this is where the bull shit goes. I like reading all the BS on here. argue I guess you've never seen Chet post in Just Jets. I'm into V-drive boats.
Why on Gods green earth would I go to a Stinkin jet boat forum????
They suck or blow or something...
Though they do have some High torque,High Horsepower engines.
Maybe I could learn something. idea :D idea wink

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 11:47 AM
Tom Brown:
It seems to me that ***boat and the appointed mods have done a really good job moderating the forums...Tom...the $20 American is in the mail (that's $3,000 Canadian)
[ March 22, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]

Bense468
03-22-2003, 02:45 PM
I am not debating the use of general talk in the sandbar. The problem I see is that it is everwhere not just in the sandbar fourm. For example if you ask a question in the jet tech no one jumps up to answer anymore. I have seen this many of times. Someone is looking for help and no one is talking "tech" stuff. I think people are afraid to respond for fear of being jumped on by certian indivuials.
I don't know maybe it is just me, and I did think Winter had a lot to do with it, but things have been Better on here. I like being able to go to jets for that reason, v-drives for that reason, blower motors for motor tech and etc. If I want to hear the bullshit I would go to sandbar. While we are at it what is the ***boat fourm? Is that just another sandbar? It sounds like it. What kind of talk is supposed to go there. I just think they need cleaned up and the rules inforced a little more so it does not jump off subject. I to have on one or more occasions jumped off subject, it is easy to do. I also know this can not be done by myself, thats is why I am asking for help from the people that would like it cleaned up a little.

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 03:07 PM
Bense468:
For example if you ask a question in the jet tech no one jumps up to answer anymore. I have seen this many of times. Someone is looking for help and no one is talking "tech" stuff. I think people are afraid to respond for fear of being jumped on by certian indivuials...Ask Racing Ray about that...

Bense468
03-22-2003, 03:08 PM
why? I don't think I even know who racing ray is

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 03:12 PM
Many of the Jet guys post on other forums.

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 03:13 PM
GlastronGuy:
Many of the Jet guys post on other forums. That clearly is a big part of the problem.

Bense468
03-22-2003, 03:16 PM
I think jet guys can post wherever they want. As with anyone but if you are talking jets or v drives you need to stay withen the fourm suited for that.
Glastron I think i just got what you were saying. They post of different sites like Banderlog or what not. Yeah I hear ya.

HCS
03-22-2003, 03:17 PM
What?. Is there something wrong with jet boat mentality? :p

Havasu Hangin'
03-22-2003, 03:19 PM
Bense468:
why? I don't think I even know who racing ray is Racing Ray used to post on here quite a bit...he was very knowledgable, and a great guy. I think he races a SS Chevelle. He used to fab some of his own parts (like his stainless "S" exhaust tubes for his Ultra and a billet blower belt guard for RR's old boat).
Before the media center, as a good gesture, Ray gave us members free server space on his site to post pics. I still swap e-mails with him once in awhile.
He doesn't post here anymore because of the exact scenario you mentioned.
[ March 22, 2003, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: Havasu Hangin' ]

HCS
03-22-2003, 03:20 PM
There's alot of verbal wars on here between jets and props that are funny as hell. I don't see a problem with it. :rolleyes:

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 03:20 PM
HARDCORE-SKI:
What?. Is there something wrong with jet boat mentality? :p They're just Mad because there boats are slow slow....lmao.....( . )( . )..... :D

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 03:22 PM
HARDCORE-SKI:
There's alot of verbal wars on here between jets and props that are funny as hell. I don't see a problem with it. :rolleyes: I find them funny as hell,to pick on the slow boats.......( . )( . )..... :D

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 03:23 PM
Before this thread turns septic, I want to point out that my response to GlastronGuy was a joke. Check out the smiley.
[ March 22, 2003, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

Bense468
03-22-2003, 03:25 PM
Havasu Hangin':
Bense468:
why? I don't think I even know who racing ray is Racing Ray used to post on here quite a bit...he was very knowledgable, and a great guy. I think he races a SS Chevelle. He used to fab some of his own parts (like his stainless "S" exhaust tubes for his Ultra and a billet blower belt guard for RR's old boat).
Before the media center, as a good gesture, Ray gave us members free server space on his site to post pics. I still swap e-mails with him once in awhile.
He doesn't post here anymore because of the exact scenario you mentioned. You know what I do remember him now that you mentioned some things. He was a good guy.

Bense468
03-22-2003, 03:26 PM
Kim Hanson:
HARDCORE-SKI:
There's alot of verbal wars on here between jets and props that are funny as hell. I don't see a problem with it. :rolleyes: I find them funny as hell,to pick on the slow boats.......( . )( . )..... :D I could also care less about the jets vs props thing. That is always in good fun. It is like a Chevy vs ford thing. At least that conversation is boat related.

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 03:30 PM
Tom Brown:
Before this thread turns septic, I want to point out that my response to GlastronGuy was a joke. Check out the smiley. I picked up on that.
The other flame is a tool and I don't listen to anything he has to say anyway.
:)

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 03:32 PM
Bense468:
Kim Hanson:
HARDCORE-SKI:
There's alot of verbal wars on here between jets and props that are funny as hell. I don't see a problem with it. :rolleyes: I find them funny as hell,to pick on the slow boats.......( . )( . )..... :D I could also care less about the jets vs props thing. That is always in good fun. It is like a Chevy vs ford thing. At least that conversation is boat related. I'am just kidding around here with you guys,it is fun though...LOL.....( . )( . ).... :D

572Daytona
03-22-2003, 03:33 PM
I tend to agree with what Bense said, I view this board more as a social gathering and entertainment rather than a place where you can get techy advice on anything, I guess in that way it very similar to the magazine so maybe that is the goal.
I was not pleased with some of the responses to the dual jet thread. Here someone spends a lot of time, money and effort to build something unique and takes the time to share the progress on it. Immediately people start ripping on him sying that what he did basically sucks, and this from people that I've never seen a picture of their boat in the water in the 2 years I've been on this board (photoshopping water in doesn't count). It is almost as if they are personally affronted that this guy didn't seek their advice before spending his own money building the boat.
I'm all about asking questions and stimulating discussion, but there are nicer ways to go about saying you disagree with the approach that others are taking. It really is a wonder that people are willing to share anything here anymore.

Dog
03-22-2003, 03:36 PM
When i thought of the other forum i wasn't thinking that it didn't belong in the Sandbar more of a way that in could get moved to a place where it wouldn't be deleted or removed but put in a place where not everyone trying to get current events or whatever civil people were talking about, or discussing.
Guess it was a bad idea. Just trying to help.

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 03:39 PM
GlastronGuy:
Tom Brown:
Before this thread turns septic, I want to point out that my response to GlastronGuy was a joke. Check out the smiley. I picked up on that.
The other flame is a tool and I don't listen to anything he has to say anyway.
:) Was that comment directed at me?........( . )( . ).... :p

Bense468
03-22-2003, 03:42 PM
yeah with that dual pumps thing I was floored. You are absolutly right with that thread. If that was my boat and I had just spent that much time and money I would have been pretty pissed that everyone dogged it. To me I think it is nice to see anyone doing anyting that is different. I respect what he did.

HCS
03-22-2003, 03:42 PM
I just think you post wherever you see fit. Jet, v-drive, offshore, sandbar etc.
I got a ski boat, I guess I shouldn't post on here at all. :p Oh ya, it does have a prop. I guess I should post in the prop section. wink It doesn't blow so I'll stay away from the jets. :D

Irishluck
03-22-2003, 03:49 PM
I hear you 572Daytona, I'm new to boating and even newer here on the forums. I was just having some fun joking around about Ford engines and man did some people take it the wrong way. Seems to me that everbody needs to just chill out a little. Maybe it just boils down to is to many egos.

GlastronGuy
03-22-2003, 03:51 PM
Kim Hanson:
GlastronGuy:
Tom Brown:
Before this thread turns septic, I want to point out that my response to GlastronGuy was a joke. Check out the smiley. I picked up on that.
The other flame is a tool and I don't listen to anything he has to say anyway.
:) Was that comment directed at me?........( . )( . ).... :p Feeling guilty about something?

twistedpair
03-22-2003, 03:59 PM
Cabin Fever + War + Sluggish Economy = Frayed Nerves.
I think It will get better. I Just got my boat de-winterized and am heading out to Mead tomorrow.
Hell, I feel better already!! :D :D

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 03:59 PM
It seems to me the problem Bense originally pointed out isn't jet/prop, car engine/outboard, or ford/GM/Mopar. It's the interpersonal bickering that goes on. If I'm interpreting Bense' post properly, I think he has a point.
The thing is, it's easy to get really into what's going on and take things personally. Maybe the odd blowout is a normal part of a healthy community. There have been several rather severe arguments in here in the last few days but I've had a good time hanging out with my buddies.

HCS
03-22-2003, 04:07 PM
Irishluck:
I hear you 572Daytona, I'm new to boating and even newer here on the forums. I was just having some fun joking around about Ford engines and man did some people take it the wrong way. Seems to me that everbody needs to just chill out a little. Maybe it just boils down to is to many egos. That's how these forums have always been. :p You can get shot down real quick. :rolleyes: Sometimes I think people should lighten up. But after being on here awhile I'm use to it. Just stand your ground. Iv'e seen people rip on someones ride, then when they get pissed people back down. frown
[ March 22, 2003, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: HARDCORE-SKI ]

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 04:29 PM
GlastronGuy:
Kim Hanson:
GlastronGuy:
Tom Brown:
Before this thread turns septic, I want to point out that my response to GlastronGuy was a joke. Check out the smiley. I picked up on that.
The other flame is a tool and I don't listen to anything he has to say anyway.
:) Was that comment directed at me?........( . )( . ).... :p Feeling guilty about something? Nope,should I be.....( . )( . ).... :p

***boat
03-22-2003, 04:37 PM
Irishluck:
I hear you 572Daytona, I'm new to boating and even newer here on the forums. I was just having some fun joking around about Ford engines and man did some people take it the wrong way. Seems to me that everbody needs to just chill out a little. Maybe it just boils down to is to many egos. Tensions are a little high right now with it not being boating season and with the war, slowing economy and such. Things will improve soon on their own. Boating season is almost here, the war is going better than anyone could have hoped (I am knocking on wood as I type this) and that is improving the economy.

JetBoatRich
03-22-2003, 04:38 PM
You could re-name it "AS THE FORUMS TURN"
take off from the afternoon soaps

***boat
03-22-2003, 04:38 PM
"(I am knocking on wood as I type this)"
:::I know, spare me the witty comment::: smile_sp

HCS
03-22-2003, 04:48 PM
***boat:
"(I am knocking on wood as I type this)"
:::I know, spare me the witty comment::: smile_sp :D :D :D

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 04:56 PM
This may be the morphine talking but I didn't realize it was that bad in here. Are we sure this isn't just a few people reacting a little stronger than others might feel is reasonable?

Bense468
03-22-2003, 05:26 PM
Tom Brown:
It seems to me the problem Bense originally pointed out isn't jet/prop, car engine/outboard, or ford/GM/Mopar. It's the interpersonal bickering that goes on. If I'm interpreting Bense' post properly, I think he has a point.
The thing is, it's easy to get really into what's going on and take things personally. Maybe the odd blowout is a normal part of a healthy community. There have been several rather severe arguments in here in the last few days but I've had a good time hanging out with my buddies. yeah tom you hear what I am saying. Some people are not getting it. I am not saying you don't have the right to post wherever you want. If you have a jet go to the v-drive or vice versa I am not saying you can't or shouldn't. All I am saying is that tensions are really high. Too many people and knocking others, too many people are afraid to ask questions anymore because they may be thumped on and etc. There is a lot of fighting going on about non boat related topics. For the most part I just want to see the threads cleaned up, For example if you want to read minless stuff like what someone had for lunch then go sandbar. I for one do not care what you or anyone else had for lunch. That is not what I come on here for. So I can chose not to pick on it right. Right. It should just go under an appropriate topic. Another thing that will be harder to stop is someone will start in on a subject and it gets hijacked and turned into something else. Usually a fight about something totally different then the topic of the thread. This sucks. Hopefully I have cleared things up a little

HCS
03-22-2003, 05:42 PM
You just have to select what you want to read, and what you don't. If you don't like it don't read it. To me it's no different than watching TV or listening to the radio. If you don't like it switch channels or turn it off. You can't send in the cops everytime someone post something you don't like. :p

Dog
03-22-2003, 05:56 PM
I understand what you are saying Bense ... my example would be the hbjet and chet debate .. i like the entertainment just as much as the next guy but have you ever went back and done a search on pumps or bowls?
most of the threads that could have a lot of info in them turn into 4 pages of arguing that doesn't have much inteligent info at all.
my .02 again

Bense468
03-22-2003, 06:33 PM
yeah i hear ya dog and yes I have followed that. Ski is giving me a hard time and to be honest I don't think he is understanding. It is not that simple to just pick and choose.

sandblasted
03-22-2003, 07:38 PM
When was the last time you got 10 people in a room and tried to get them to agree to anything..Now try it with over 5000 people that are posting on an internet site, most anonymously. My feeling is that the drama can get out of control but what the heck, it's a free country..if I don't want to participate I go to another thread. To tell the truth I think there is quite a bit of cabin fever in here...come summer we'll be talking boats and babes again! :D

Rexone
03-22-2003, 07:43 PM
The stuff I object to is the bashing and personal attacks like we've seen a lot of lately, but really they are always here at a lesser degree. I think it gives the whole forum a negative image. Then there's just enough of it allowed in the tech sections to pollute them as well. Ford-Chevy, Vdrive-Jet stuff etc isn't even the issue. While the sandbar is for posting anything non-boat related, that content shouldn't be a bunch of negative crap. It's the first forum a new user sees and probably views. The old saying, you only get one chance for a first impression...
SD013 does a great job shutten the crap down in the vdrive forum or movin it. I think all the tech sections should be handled just that way. If Chet and HBJet want to create 4 pages of entertainment then it should be in bench racing, not Jet Tech. (sorry Her). Adversarial content such as that "even though in may include some useful tech info" I feel alienates the average user looking for useful tech info. Personally if I was looking for info on pumps or impellers or such I wouldn't waste my time sorting through all the garbage to find the good stuff. I'd be on some other forum (not ***boat) looking or asking for useful info where I could get a straight answer. Basically if you want to argue, ridicule, etc, take it outside. And I think people are gunshy many times about asking questions or posting pics of their projects just because of the slam atmosphere in here much of the time.
The recent stuff like the RD-Froggy argument and it's offshoots and the "extended" Cobra bashing should just be axed, and not after they get 3 or 4 pages long. Stating an opinion or view on a subject is one thing. Carrying on about it for 3, 4, 5 pages is another. Personal attacking back and forth isn't anything this forum needs. Just my opinion. Not anything I plan to or can do anything about under current moderator guidelines.
[ March 22, 2003, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: Rexone ]

Kim Hanson
03-22-2003, 07:52 PM
I'am just being me, you don't like it, let me know! I have other "Forums" that I like and will be more than pleased to help with your problem...EXIT.......( . )( . )...

Rexone
03-22-2003, 07:55 PM
We love you Kim. Where's all those photochop skills you've aquired. We could use some lightening up around here... :D :D

Tom Brown
03-22-2003, 08:18 PM
Why would you leave, Kim?
I hope you stay. :)

sandblasted
03-22-2003, 08:26 PM
Rexone, is the catalog finished yet??
Just kidding, I'm probably the 100th person that's asked that...
I agree with some of what you are saying...However, I think it's good that people can come in here and air their thoughts about certain boat builders or supply companies. For instance I read alot of good things in here about Rex marine so I ordered some battery boxes from you guys..I recieved them in about 3 days and was happy with the product. On the other hand alot of people have complained about Eddie Marine..I've ordered stuff from them too and was happy with it..so I would always fall back on my personal experience and continue to order from Eddie Marine regardless what crap is posted in here about them. That is unless I had a personal experience that soured me on them.
Now hurry up and get that catalog finished! :D

Dog
03-22-2003, 09:10 PM
Rexone:
The stuff I object to is the bashing and personal attacks like we've seen a lot of lately, but really they are always here at a lesser degree. I think it gives the whole forum a negative image. Then there's just enough of it allowed in the tech sections to pollute them as well. Ford-Chevy, Vdrive-Jet stuff etc isn't even the issue. While the sandbar is for posting anything non-boat related, that content shouldn't be a bunch of negative crap. It's the first forum a new user sees and probably views. The old saying, you only get one chance for a first impression...
SD013 does a great job shutten the crap down in the vdrive forum or movin it. I think all the tech sections should be handled just that way. If Chet and HBJet want to create 4 pages of entertainment then it should be in bench racing, not Jet Tech. (sorry Her). Adversarial content such as that "even though in may include some useful tech info" I feel alienates the average user looking for useful tech info. Personally if I was looking for info on pumps or impellers or such I wouldn't waste my time sorting through all the garbage to find the good stuff. I'd be on some other forum (not ***boat) looking or asking for useful info where I could get a straight answer. Basically if you want to argue, ridicule, etc, take it outside. And I think people are gunshy many times about asking questions or posting pics of their projects just because of the slam atmosphere in here much of the time.
The recent stuff like the RD-Froggy argument and it's offshoots and the "extended" Cobra bashing should just be axed, and not after they get 3 or 4 pages long. Stating an opinion or view on a subject is one thing. Carrying on about it for 3, 4, 5 pages is another. Personal attacking back and forth isn't anything this forum needs. Just my opinion. Not anything I plan to or can do anything about under current moderator guidelines. Well said and i believe that is what bense and i both were talking about.

HCS
03-22-2003, 10:13 PM
Start a pole. :D

JetBoatRich
03-23-2003, 08:13 AM
HARDCORE-SKI:
Start a pole. :D And you made what comment yesterday about me?
LMAO :D

HCS
03-23-2003, 08:19 AM
JetBoatRich:
HARDCORE-SKI:
Start a pole. :D And you made what comment yesterday about me?
LMAO :D Guilty as charged. :D

GlastronGuy
03-23-2003, 08:19 AM
Here is an example of off topic that should have been moved to the proper forum by a moderator.
http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002245

JetBoatRich
03-23-2003, 08:23 AM
HARDCORE-SKI:
JetBoatRich:
HARDCORE-SKI:
Start a pole. :D And you made what comment yesterday about me?
LMAO :D Guilty as charged. :D :D I feel the same way :D
I found the article you were talking about yesterday in our paper. wink

Wet Dream
03-23-2003, 09:08 AM
GlastronGuy:
Here is an example of off topic that should have been moved to the proper forum by a moderator.
http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002245 2 things wrong with your comment. 3 actually. #1, this was started a little over an hour aog, maybe 2.
#2, Its a question. Why can't it be in the sandbar? The guy is new (2 posts) and will learn as he goes on.
#3 Your talking about moderators. That says enough.

GlastronGuy
03-23-2003, 09:18 AM
Wet Dream:
GlastronGuy:
Here is an example of off topic that should have been moved to the proper forum by a moderator.
http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002245 2 things wrong with your comment. 3 actually. #1, this was started a little over an hour aog, maybe 2.
#2, Its a question. Why can't it be in the sandbar? The guy is new (2 posts) and will learn as he goes on.
#3 Your talking about moderators. That says enough. LOL
Good points but are you using the "new" math I have been hearing about?

HCS
03-23-2003, 09:25 AM
Wet Dream:
GlastronGuy:
Here is an example of off topic that should have been moved to the proper forum by a moderator.
http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002245 2 things wrong with your comment. 3 actually. #1, this was started a little over an hour aog, maybe 2.
#2, Its a question. Why can't it be in the sandbar? The guy is new (2 posts) and will learn as he goes on.
#3 Your talking about moderators. That says enough. I agree with your comment. In some of the automotive forums I post in the moderators move every little comment made to the proper topic. With cars you can do that. I think with boats there's to many different set ups to seperate and categorize everything.
And your right, that guys new he'll figure it out. :rolleyes:

Wet Dream
03-23-2003, 09:40 AM
LMAO, damn. I was looking at that again when I noticed all of my errors. Don't type and talk on the phone at the same time. :rolleyes:

burbanite
03-23-2003, 04:37 PM
A lot of good points bought up along with many valid individual opinions.
I say leave it alone for the most part, clarify the difference between the Sandbar, Bench Racers and Hot Boat forums, and get rid of the habitual offenders (whatever that means :D ) and I like the idea of the moderators being anonymous.

Bense468
03-23-2003, 04:40 PM
Rexone:
The stuff I object to is the bashing and personal attacks like we've seen a lot of lately, but really they are always here at a lesser degree. I think it gives the whole forum a negative image. Then there's just enough of it allowed in the tech sections to pollute them as well. Ford-Chevy, Vdrive-Jet stuff etc isn't even the issue. While the sandbar is for posting anything non-boat related, that content shouldn't be a bunch of negative crap. It's the first forum a new user sees and probably views. The old saying, you only get one chance for a first impression...
SD013 does a great job shutten the crap down in the vdrive forum or movin it. I think all the tech sections should be handled just that way. If Chet and HBJet want to create 4 pages of entertainment then it should be in bench racing, not Jet Tech. (sorry Her). Adversarial content such as that "even though in may include some useful tech info" I feel alienates the average user looking for useful tech info. Personally if I was looking for info on pumps or impellers or such I wouldn't waste my time sorting through all the garbage to find the good stuff. I'd be on some other forum (not ***boat) looking or asking for useful info where I could get a straight answer. Basically if you want to argue, ridicule, etc, take it outside. And I think people are gunshy many times about asking questions or posting pics of their projects just because of the slam atmosphere in here much of the time.
The recent stuff like the RD-Froggy argument and it's offshoots and the "extended" Cobra bashing should just be axed, and not after they get 3 or 4 pages long. Stating an opinion or view on a subject is one thing. Carrying on about it for 3, 4, 5 pages is another. Personal attacking back and forth isn't anything this forum needs. Just my opinion. Not anything I plan to or can do anything about under current moderator guidelines. Yes this is what I was trying to say. For the most part I don't like reading all of the back and forth stuff. I like the tech stuff more but it is getting harder to find on here. Thats all I was saying.

Bense468
03-23-2003, 04:42 PM
Riodog I would assume that you are in the right fourm since this "sandbar" fourm does seem to be all bullshit. Thats why I posted this topic in here. It is not tech related and I think this is were all non tech related stuff needs to stay.
Check it out I used my 1000 post on you.
[ March 23, 2003, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Bense468 ]

HCS
03-23-2003, 08:54 PM
Geeezee laweeeze....... argue

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 09:39 PM
"That's how these forums have always been."-HARDCORE-SKI
Let me begin this by tellin' HC-S that I did not pick your quote to start any thing or bag on ya. I just don't believe that this is true. I have been registered on these boards since Jun 2001 and have been postin' regularly since Aug 2001 and the boards weren't always so damn melodramatic! One of the problems, I believe, is that as the numbers of members grow, we have a large number of people who have never met face to face and therefore have a hard time understandin' where some of the BS is comin' from. Back in 2001 there was a group of us that, more or less, started postin' about the same time. We were pretty irreverent, bold, crass, and downright crude sometimes; but everyone knew that it was all in jest! H**l, if myself and some of the others (ya know who ya are) posted the way we posted back then, we'd get kicked off the boatin' planet, much less these boards! We just kinda "grew up" together. Mind you, we had our dramas, but they very seldom lasted past 1 1/2 pages. Now....sheesh! Secondly, I think that when ya come on the boards, ya start out slow and let the "oldtimers" get to know ya! Don't come in with guns ablazin' because it could, and usually does, get misconstrued. How does it make ya feel when you're havin' a discussion with a friend and some stranger butts in? Don't ya want to tell the guy to mind his own business? Well, when it's all boiled down, we're all strangers on here in one way or another. Let people get to know ya first. Attitude and intent does not translate well in the written word; but once the people know where you're comin' from, it puts your posts in a whole different light. Thirdly, sometimes, and I'm guilty of it too, some of us don't put much thought into what we're sayin' before we type it out for everyone to see. THINK and be RESPECTFUL of others and I think things would be better! Geezus, if we did that in life, we'd all get along alot bettter! I don't post much meaningful stuff on here (I own a 17' boat w/ a 90HP Merc; what can I say about that that would be of any interest to anyone?), but I've always let it be known that "I am here for the women and the s**ts and the giggles!". If we were all to relax and quit takin' ourselves and things so seriously, I think we'd all get along alot better.
OK, my .02 grew into $2.00 worth, but I've been watchin, readin', and wincin' at some of this crap that's been goin' on and have wished, and said so to some people, that I long for the boards that we started out on. Not that they have changed, but I think we have! :)
Before I sign off and duck for cover, I would just like to say that I really miss my "brother from another mother from another (planet)" Chestah Cheetah! I really wish he'd show his Cheeto munchin' mug around here once in awhile! Then you guys would understand "meaningless, non-boating" BS!

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 09:42 PM
....and yes FuFuQueen (and where are you anyways?), before ya ask, I am tryin' to take over Stephen King's job (remember our "little" Sierra Club thread?)! Damn, I haven't typed a post that long in, weeeellll, at least a month! My fingers hurt! Both of 'em! :p
[ March 23, 2003, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: gigamurph ]

HCS
03-23-2003, 10:09 PM
gigamurph, Your right, I've only have been on here since july 2002. So to say "that's the way these forums have always been" wasn't right. :p I'm not going to pick your comment apart, but I ALMOST agree with everything you said. I just don't see anything wrong with this fourm :p I don't think It's gone to shit. :rolleyes: Is this site ment to be all 100% technical?. I don't think so, and it doesn't seem like you do either. It's all good. wink

Dog
03-23-2003, 10:42 PM
Dave what i would do is go to his profile and click on the add to my ignore list ... if he doesn't get a rise out of you it will stop in time. wink

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 10:48 PM
RiverDave:
The problem that I have with that is if someone keeps saying things of that nature, whether it's bullshit or not eventually some people start believing it.
RD Only nonobjective people who don't know how to think for themselves. The people who matter ignore the judgments of others. At least, the people who matter to me. :)

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 10:51 PM
RD, we go back to almost the beginnin' of this whole thing and I don't think the issue is whether ya should defend yourself or not. Damn right ya defend yourself! It's just that guys like Riverhed (and maybe his screen name isn't misspelled BTW) and some others, and ya know who I'm talkin' about, just come on here to get a rise out of someone and Riverhed's goat just happens to be you; and the more ya flame him the more he wants to come back and dig at ya. Like C-YA said at OP6C3, about a thread that was goin' down in Jan. 2002 (you know the one), put your words down, rip the guy or whatever then walk away. The more ya beat the dead horse the more life ya beat back into it! Yeah, I have been guilty of some transgressions on these boards, but I like to think that I've learned from them. Alot of people just don't want to see all this "dirty laundry" bein' aired out for everyone to see. I know it's hard to ignore sometimes, but ya just can't give the clowns the satisfaction of knowin' that they're buggin' ya! Because afterall, that's the only reason they're doin' it! Like YOU have said, "....if you have a problem with me or anything about me, e-mail me, call me, or PM me and we can hash it out between the two of us and let the "good" people enjoy themselves." Ironic; don't ya think? :)
[ March 23, 2003, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: gigamurph ]

Beautiful Noise
03-23-2003, 10:55 PM
Gig,Well put :) :D :D
Steve

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 10:59 PM
The shit talking threads have been some of the funniest threads, IMO.
It does bug me to see my friend being trashed but it's so silly that I have been laughing my ass off at almost all of it. I'm not sure RIVRHED is malicious. I think he may just be a really smart troll. My sides still hurt from laughing at the scene that played out Friday night.
Why take this stuff seriously? I'll happily volunteer to go in the barrel for a while.

Beautiful Noise
03-23-2003, 11:03 PM
Tom Brown
I'll happily volunteer to go in the barrel for a while. [/QB]Tom you are in the Barrel we just haven't told you yet :D :D :D
Steve

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 11:04 PM
I'll warm up my stomach pump.
[ March 23, 2003, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 11:08 PM
TB, I was gonna volunteer to go in the barrel for awhile but I'm much too sensitive. OK, OK! There isn't a barrel big enough for me to get onto! Gimme a break! :p

gigamurph
03-23-2003, 11:10 PM
....an dRD; not to start with ya; It's not CANUCKS! It's CANUCKLEHEADS! :p

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 11:12 PM
I think part of the so called "problem" here is that Dave is fun to bug. I've done it myself on many occasions.
Sure, it isn't always in fun but I think it tends to go with Dave being such a strong personality. That doesn't make it right. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 11:13 PM
Gig, if I had any patriotism at all I would probably resent that. Oh well.

RaysonKid
03-23-2003, 11:23 PM
I thought Canadians are loyal.
And Americans are Patriotic.
:p

RaysonKid
03-23-2003, 11:27 PM
Tom Brown:
I think part of the so called "problem" here is that Dave is fun to bug. I've done it myself on many occasions.
Sure, it isn't always in fun but I think it tends to go with Dave being such a strong personality. That doesn't make it right. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Yeah,
Just get Dave started in a conversation about drinking and responsible boating (driving).
And watch how fun he gets.....

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 11:36 PM
Why would I do that? We all know people can concentrate better when they're relaxed. A couple of drinks in moderation improves judgment.

Tom Brown
03-23-2003, 11:41 PM
Shit. It looks like Dave went to bed. I thought I would serve up a meat ball and see what happens. :D
In case anyone cares what my position is on this matter, I haven't had a drink in 16 years. I think that pretty much tells it all.

Her454
03-24-2003, 10:19 AM
GlastronGuy:
They also shouldn't use controversial people for Mods. Being a post ***** only means you have no life, not that you have an ability or the skills necessary to moderate.
Sorry Im a bit late in catching up, but I have been "working". Alot of us do have lives other than ***boat. wink

GlastronGuy
03-24-2003, 10:22 AM
Her454:
GlastronGuy:
They also shouldn't use controversial people for Mods. Being a post ***** only means you have no life, not that you have an ability or the skills necessary to moderate.
Sorry Im a bit late in catching up, but I have been "working". Alot of us do have lives other than ***boat. wink Are you saying that you are a post *****?

Her454
03-24-2003, 11:45 AM
GlastronGuy:
Are you saying that you are a post *****? Not today.

Blown 472
03-24-2003, 11:50 AM
I can come clean, I have no life, I am a post *****, I like porn, I dont shave everyday, I do enjoy masterbating and licking the frosting off the beaters. :D

roostwear
03-24-2003, 12:02 PM
By "beaters" you mean the electic mixer kind, right?

HCS
03-24-2003, 12:04 PM
Blown 472:
I can come clean, I have no life, I am a post *****, I like porn, I dont shave everyday, I do enjoy masterbating and licking the frosting off the beaters. :D Are you opening up?. :D

Blown 472
03-24-2003, 12:07 PM
Maybe, or just starting to realize one of the many problems in my pathtic life. Is watching the neighbors at night with a rifle scope bad? :D

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 12:12 PM
That's only bad if they're tied to a bed post and all three of you are in the same room.

HCS
03-24-2003, 12:14 PM
Blown 472:
Maybe, or just starting to realize one of the many problems in my pathtic life. Is watching the neighbors at night with a rifle scope bad? :D I don't know, what are the neighbors doing?. :D

Blown 472
03-24-2003, 12:21 PM
There is always dogs and peanut butter. :D
I have been known to highjack threads, as I am sitting here beating my knuckels with a ruler thinking only of sister mary. :( wink :p
[ March 24, 2003, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Blown 472 ]

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 12:23 PM
I thought that was a chick thing? The way my dog woofs down wieners, I daresent.

HCS
03-24-2003, 12:31 PM
Might as well highjack this thread, the reply count is catching up to "war/politics". :p Even though there completely unrelated. Just rename the thread "As the fourums turn." :rolleyes:

HCS
03-24-2003, 12:33 PM
How do you spell fourm anyway?.
R before M? :confused:

Blown 472
03-24-2003, 12:37 PM
Wasn't forum put out by penthouse and had all those really eroctic stories in them??

LVjetboy
03-24-2003, 03:28 PM
Bense, I'm thinking...
1) Post to what you like, let the rest go:
Forums turning to shit? A bit melodramatic I suggest. Ebb and flow, contributers come and go. Some good some bad. Are people in the "boating industry" making fun of you for posting here? "Embarassed" to admit posting?
Whatever.
I've also personally heard comments about these forums from key players in the "boating industry" Some positive and some negative...sometimes voiced by the same people. Sometimes not. I take that for what it's worth.
Forums are a two-edged sword, but the payoff for those in the "boating industry" displaying true expertise, professional advise and customer satisfaction far outweighs drama and perceived danger. Word gets around both on the net and in other ways I can guarantee.
You'll notice true professionals don't get caught up in Bullsh*t.
Truth and knowledge has a way of cutting through BS. Not to mention these forums are the ultimate form of free advertising. "Thank God for the Internet" I heard one pro say. So I'm not worried on their part. If you're worried about being embarrased...can't help with that.
Don't like a thread, ignore. Start a thread you're interested in. That's the value of this free and uncensored system. If someone moves your thread off topic...move it back on. No big deal. Or whine about it if you must. Don't favor censorship just want to control things a bit? I say that's a form of censorship.
2) The forums will survive just fine, relax:
"Things need to start changing around here...rules inforced...cleaned up."
I'm thinking...no. The rules are plenty and just fine. Moderators are doing their often thankless job.
You may say, "lighten up!" I say people who want more rules and controls and changing the forums should "lighten up." This a public forum...all welcome no matter.
- There are those who's opinions you may not like.
- There are those who stir the pot.
- There are those who clash with personalities.
- There are those who draw off topic.
- There are those with Outboards (sorry couldn't resist) :)
ETC...
Some posters once self or admin "banned" reappear w/different screen names. In the end, things get sorted out and hot boating forums goes on without more rules and controls. The hot boat board and others go on copy? Attempting to force people to tow some freakin' morality line you feel comfortable with is bogus in my opinion. As is this thread...but feel free. I for one will always post whatever I think to any thread I choose. BTW, I both “get,” and hear what you are saying...just don’t agree.
3) New guys will learn:
“Too many knocking others and afraid to ask questions”
From the technical pov, which I am very attuned to, that’s an interesting point. From my experience, some are intimidated by controversy and some not.
I’ve seen some technical threads where the fear of controversy leads to little discussion. I’ve seen other threads where controversy leads to a thorough discussion and the truth. How you control...I’m thinking you don’t. Let it flow, help keep on track if you wish, but don’t whine or try to slap more rules to discourage controversy. If new guys don’t engage they will when they get their feet wet. Old guys knowing their stuff will endure. The rest of us will read along and post if we care or we'll ignore. NO BIG DEAL.
But feel free to not be intimidated and post your opinion.
jer
[ March 24, 2003, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

LVjetboy
03-24-2003, 03:46 PM
Still with you Dave. I have flashbacks time and again...but it takes effort these days.
jer

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 03:59 PM
LVjetboy http://forums.***boat.net/ubb/icons/icon14.gif
Sage words.
You can also come at this from the angle that the content is nothing more or less than people's thoughts and opinions. In the winter when we're all couped up, restless and pissy, that is going to be reflected in the forums. How can you get rid of it without squelching thoughts and opinions? In the summer when everyone is boating and copulating regularly, things will flow more smoothly. It's just a slice of society.
-- Tom (outboard guy)

Bense468
03-24-2003, 04:15 PM
Right on Jer, Thanks for your opinion. Thanks for hacking up my posts. I will see you all later because I am gone. I guess you are right. I would have thought some of you would have seen the change from good to bad and what has been going on in here. I guess I was wrong with that statement. With that said. Have fun because I am tired of all this shit. With that being said, just remember this Support Our Troops.
Late

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 04:32 PM
Please stay Bense. :)
I think you're wrong with regard to us not seeing the mood in the forums take a downward turn. It's just that some of us see it as a cyclical thing that ebbs and tides. I don't think it's that big a deal.

LVjetboy
03-24-2003, 04:34 PM
Tom,
I love you O/B guys too! Many spank my a**
Bense,
We all have a common passion...hot boats, fun in the sun and hot babes. And I'm certainly wishing our troops the best...I was one of them.
jer
[ March 24, 2003, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

Bense468
03-24-2003, 04:35 PM
To be honest Dave. I think maybe I was just looking for a reason too. I am tired of this stuff. All I was trying to say is I would like to stay out of the bullshit posts and stay with the tech posts, but I can't even really do that. No one seems to post in there anymore but the ususal people that don't stop posting. I have seem to many times people asking questions and not getting any replys. Like I said before I think people are afraid to reply with what they think might help, for fear of being jumped on, and if nothing is going on in the tech sections then there is no reason for me to be here anymore. I am sure I will still lurk at the blower motors page or the gear heads whatever that group is. If I have a question I might even post it. For the most part I am gone.

Jordy
03-24-2003, 04:41 PM
Bense468:
No one seems to post in there anymore but the ususal people that don't stop posting. Even some of the usual people that used to post in here don't post that much anymore. :D (this working full time thing sucks :D )

Kim Hanson
03-24-2003, 04:45 PM
I was going to leave this shit behind too, but I would think that you should reconsider your actions on leaving this forum, I don't mean to be mean, only when it happens and I talk shit!
Don't leave this forum!I will "HUNT" you down and be nice to you.......( . )( . )... :D

DogHouse
03-24-2003, 04:56 PM
Bense, take two beers and call us in the morning... That should help you feel better! wink
Seriously though, don't leave, stick around and help make it a better place. I know I'm going to try to ask myself a question before each post: "would I say this if the person was standing in front of me?" We don't have to agree all the time (what fun would that be?), but we all should work on treating each other a little better. There are many more good people on the boards that I haven't met yet and hope to run into someday at the lake. Maybe some of them will even tell me how full of $hit I am in person!
:D

WILDERTHANU54
03-24-2003, 07:22 PM
Bense468:
For the most part I am gone. SEE YOU ON THE GLAMIS FORUMS.....
http://www.deepsand.net/albums/Big_Air/daddy.jpg
[ March 24, 2003, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: WILDERTHANU54 ]

LVjetboy
03-24-2003, 08:32 PM
I can be a bit blunt at times...
[ March 25, 2003, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: LVjetboy ]

GlastronGuy
03-24-2003, 09:26 PM
Bense468
Don't go! I'll be the only sane one left!
This board has gone down hill and will continue to do so. Eventually, the admin will find out they are up against the wall and try to regain control. This will piss people off and it will get really bad. They will then close the forums for a while and will most likely try it again later. There are not many boating related sites to fill the niche. Real Jet Boats (stfu, Kim :) ) started it then Banderlog and Laid Back Boaters came in to fill the void when his server went down. There is always someone ready and willing to step up and fill the void.
And before you guys try to debunk me, know this. I work for the psychic network, I know all.
wink
EDIT
Just wanted to add that Real Jet Boats is back up and has been for a while.
[ March 24, 2003, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: GlastronGuy ]

GlastronGuy
03-24-2003, 09:51 PM
RiverDave:
GlastronGuy:
Bense468
Don't go! I'll be the only sane one left!
This board has gone down hill and will continue to do so. Eventually, the admin will find out they are up against the wall and try to regain control. This will piss people off and it will get really bad. They will then close the forums for a while and will most likely try it again later. There are not many boating related sites to fill the niche. Real Jet Boats (stfu, Kim :) ) started it then Banderlog and Laid Back Boaters came in to fill the void when his server went down. There is always someone ready and willing to step up and fill the void.
And before you guys try to debunk me, know this. I work for the psychic network, I know all.
wink
EDIT
Just wanted to add that Real Jet Boats is back up and has been for a while. Damn that's a possitive outlook on the situation. I'm not sure that the boards are "out of control" persay, as I said before it's really the membership that governs them, not the admin.
RD That's cute but past experience shows that you don't exactly have stellar judgement.

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 09:56 PM
I've found Dave's judgment to be solid. Anyone who has moderated a forum has caused controversy and that includes when they do nothing. Also, moderators make mistakes. Big deal. The forums have been running pretty well for some time, IMO.

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 11:26 PM
Hey, Dave and I are just friends. It's just a coincidence that I think he's dreamy. :D
On a serious note, I have some experience moderating forums so I know what a thankless job it can be. RiverDave did good. So did the rest of the moderators here. There are sites where several threads get whacked every night, people get kicked off, and basically a police state exists. This place has never been like that. Maybe part of the problem is that we don't know how good we have it.

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 11:32 PM
I'm not sure that pot needs stirring. :D
I think it's an interesting study in how an opressive administrator operates, though. Some people seem to like it and others feel like participating in it is a violation of personal freedom. I guess there's a site for everyone.
[ March 24, 2003, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 11:40 PM
[severe post deleted in hopes of karma gain]
[ March 24, 2003, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: Tom Brown ]

Tom Brown
03-24-2003, 11:57 PM
It wasn't as glamorous as you might think.
I'll catch you cats tomorrow. :)