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beached1
09-04-2002, 05:21 AM
Another shinning moment for Lake Lice haters. Although I wouldn't blame this guy if he did. As he was backing off of his trailer, launching his nice looking Elim, he was T-Boned by a Sea-Doo nearly breaking his leg. Only minor injuries were suffered. The operator of the PWC had only "No speaka English" to say. That is until the Policia arrived and hopefully sorted things out. This just enforces my beliefs that a boaters license similar to a drivers license should be required along with proof of insurance before operating a boat of any kind. I am one of the few that post in here that has the testicular fortitude to admit that I love to ride PWCs and hope they never get banned, but it's people like this that may ruin it for me.
http://www.beached1.homestead.com/files/Eliminator2.JPG
[ September 04, 2002, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: beached1 ]

Livin Large 27Hallett
09-04-2002, 06:00 AM
Man, that sucks. Put one more up for the lake lice.

kevnmcd
09-04-2002, 06:47 AM
Man, I would be pissed!!!!!

XTRM22
09-04-2002, 06:54 AM
Pissed? I'd be down right Pychotic!! He had to smack the shit out of it to do that kinda damage!! Good luck to the owner of that boat. Hey Beached1 I used to really like the Jetskis till an un expected high speed dismount left me with 2 pins and a plate in my ankle. I wouldn't want to see them banned, just get rid of the stupid riders!! I know I'm getting old cause I still like to ride my buddies old Kawaski TS kinda like a floating Vespa. :-)
Chuck

NorCal Gameshow
09-04-2002, 06:55 AM
another reason to have insurance, right after "no speaka english" you would get "what's insurance"....

76 Sleekcraft
09-04-2002, 07:05 AM
I'm with you beached1. I too, ride a PWC. Hey, I also have a jet and a ski nautique, but thats beside the point. You need a license to operate these things, that may be a factor in bringing some of the assholes to justice. Ride one with some sense and watch where you are going.
The bottom line is that MOST pwc riders don't give a shit about anyone or anything.
Well, thats the way it is here in North Carolina.
If that goober had hit my boat, there would have definately been some Major injuries! :D

beached1
09-04-2002, 07:10 AM
norcal spectra:
"what's insurance"....Exactly! But if the law would require it like they now do with autos, the idiots without insurance would lose their license for a full year. I hate to admit that we need another law (It's my personal opinion that the Gov takes a little bit of your freedom away every day), but in this case it may save someone like this guy from coughing up the repairs from his own pocket and hopefully reducing the amount of stupidity on our waterways.

79Hawaiian
09-04-2002, 07:36 AM
I think mandatory number of hours of school similar to traffic school should be required before issuing a license for a boat or a PWC. Sure it is a pain in the ass but I think well worth it. Currently all you need is a credit card and a thumb to push the throttle. I see some people on the lake that are not bad people and are not being aggressive but are still a danger because they are both illiterate; both as to the rules of the water and the abilities of the craft they are driving. I personally took 15 years of boating classes, several months a year… It was called my father. He constantly drilled in my think teenage skull what to do and what not to do. Not everyone who buys a boat or PWC has that luxury.
Could you imagine what would happen if they didn’t require pilots of small planes to be licensed?

hoolign
09-04-2002, 08:02 AM
Our boating laws are changing up here,and it is in fact, due to pwc accidents.
any frikkin idiot with 50 bucks in his shorts can go rent one,as it stands
anyone born after 1985 is required to take the test and get a licence,
everyone else is due by2007
I agree with beached1with the fact that it should be like a drivers for cars,
if you dont pass asimple test you don't drive,if you do pass,you are
granted the privalage of being able to have fun,and insurance is a must.
i dont agree with the fact that the goverment takes a little from us everyday,
in regard to licenceing,Ithink inthis case they would be giving us somthing,I've been boating
in my own boats since I was 14,I'm 35 now(holy shit!) and have never caused an accident
I work hard for my shit as all of you do, so why should some corksucker be able to find a fifty
and be able to go rent a 60 mph missle,half these idiots think starboard is an astrology tool
in my opinion,if you dont have a licence,or fail one,you no toucha the keys,and if you cause a problem you should be required to paddle a neon pink dingy,wearing a yellow helmut,singing
the theme from gilligans island at the top of your lungs letting everyone know your
a complete moron!

spectras only
09-04-2002, 08:45 AM
Hey Jeff, just got the information kit at the marina in penticton ,that states the following; operators 12 and under max 8 HP, operators between 12 and 16 max 40 HP,to operate a personal watercraft you have to be 16 and over .Persons born 1983 or after have to get a licence as of sep 1st 2002.Everyone, regardless of age or experience need a licence by 2009.

hoolign
09-04-2002, 08:48 AM
spectras
this is what a cop in sylvan lake told me last year so it is quite poosible your informaton is more accurate

spectras only
09-04-2002, 09:21 AM
You can get this info kit at any marina now [there are some free mags in it too] for free :)

Jordy
09-04-2002, 09:33 AM
79Hawaiian:
Currently all you need is a credit card and a thumb to push the throttle. That's a good point. Someone pulls a stupid move on a PWC, you cut off the thumb of the offender on the spot. There would be a lot of thumbless people out there. That would be even better than the paintball color code warning system. LOL
Jordy :D

24RODjr
09-04-2002, 09:35 AM
I can't believe that...is the PWC driver still breathing?

Jordy
09-04-2002, 09:40 AM
I hope not. If someone hit my boat and pulled that act with the no speaky routine, even with a broken leg I would findy outy if they could breathy under water...
Jordy :D

JustMVG
09-04-2002, 09:54 AM
The whole licensing issue is one i have been preaching for years, i too had a fathere and friends who taught me the rules of the road and of the water, i guess i'm lucky that way. Look and auto racing, they have a system where you have to prove your competence to run in that car or series, rookie tests and evals. The sane goes for piloting aircraft, you don't go from a C152 and into a Gulfstream 4 over night, the same should go for boating and pwc's, and why not include auto's too, any teen with parents that can afford or are stupid can get into a high hp vehicle, have little if any training and go out and hit unmentionable speeds, why are our insurance rates so high, thefts yeah , accidents by drivers who are very young, yes, we need experience, and starting out in the slow stuff and working up to the faster things should be mandatory, and noone should be able to operate any motorized vehicle on the water or road without showing that they are proficient and competnent to do so.
On the other hand that would have taken all the fun out of being a kid i guess. Oh well just my .2 cents worth . Sorry for the rant. Mike VG

scgms1
09-04-2002, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by beached1:
This just enforces my beliefs that a boaters license similar to a drivers license should be required along with proof of insurance before operating a boat of any kind. I am one of the few that post in here that has the testicular fortitude to admit that I love to ride PWCs and hope they never get banned, but it's people like this that may ruin it for me. Unlike car insurance that can be purchased the day before you register, and cancelled the day after; this should be something that to launch your boat/PWC, proof of current insurance is required.
As far as licensing, I agree. Requiring one to demonstate their abilities launching/loading, operation of their watercraft, and waterway rules would go a long way into cutting back on some of the accidents that happen. Along the same lines,..If you 'loan' your vehicle to someone else and something happens, hold the registered owner responsible.
I believe quite a few of the accidents that happen occur because the PWC was loaned to a buddy that was given no more than a cursory overview of operation. Most boaters wouldn't even consider loaning out their boats, and most friends wouldn't even ask,...But PWC owners quite often lend them out with,...This is the start button, gas is over here. Next thing you know, "Hey, I forgot to tell you, that's a no-wake zone till the buoys..."
And BTW I happen to own PWC's and love them! I also hate to admit it, but I've had my share bonehead moves on them too. :o

Havasu Cig
09-04-2002, 01:48 PM
Damn, I can't believe the damage that was caused to that boat. How fast was the pwc going?

syke-o
09-04-2002, 03:33 PM
its not that bad... you barely notice it......j/k

Kim Hanson
09-04-2002, 03:52 PM
jordanpaulk:
I hope not. If someone hit my boat and pulled that act with the no speaky routine, even with a broken leg I would findy outy if they could breathy under water...
Jordy :D You kill me..( . )( . )...... :D

NashvilleBound
09-04-2002, 04:45 PM
I would have tought him some english by beating him so bad his family would have felt it. The last thing by shoving his face into that hole in my boat. "speaka this..."

77charger
09-04-2002, 05:19 PM
well try getting insurance for a boat with otts you will not be able to get it or it will cost more than a boat is worth!!

Bense468
09-04-2002, 06:03 PM
That is exactly what I was thinking 77charger. Everybody wants to push the insurance thing and I do have insurance on my boat but if I was going to buy another one, I am not sure if I would be able to get insurance. So by having people at the ramp looking for insurance because of some dumb ass on a jet ski, I can no longer drive my boat. I would not want people on the ramp watching me launch. We had to shut down last weekend and float past the cops because we did not want noise tickets. This is getting out oh hand I agree. There has to be another way though to stop the dumb ass lake lice from riding, without punishing the guys with the classic boats with OT's.

Jordy
09-04-2002, 06:17 PM
What's wrong with my thumb amputation idea? LOL
Jordy :D

future boater
09-04-2002, 06:41 PM
i dont think a licensing, mandatory insurance, or the banning on pwc's is needed. i think what needs to happen is that renting of them needs to stop!in my humble opinion the people that own them are alot more responsible than the people that rent them. when you own one you have to fix what you break. its like when i rent a car. usually when i'm done with it there is flat spots on the tires. why cause i have fun with it! well there is my two cents on the subject!

24ROD
09-04-2002, 06:46 PM
jordanpaulk:
What's wrong with my thumb amputation idea? LOL
Jordy :D Not a dam thing sounds great to me, count me in. wink
-Carlos

rustyk
09-04-2002, 06:58 PM
Jet ski, power boat,or Yugo automobile!
Anything that has a motor in it or on it you can always grant there will some dumb ass that will ignore its will to hurt someone or something and run it smooth ass into someone elses property and doesn't take responsiblity. That is the problem!
I would make sure that guy would pay me $1.00 a day for the rest of his life(no speaky english mother Fu$#@R) lol. I own a bodyshop in Texas so i see this on a daily basis.I also repair all kinds of pwc and boats. The worst boating accident i have ever saw was in Houston Texas.
I was looking for some floor tile and the owner ( i guess) took me in back of the store (very big lot) and in the corner was a 40+ cig boat.It was damn near split across the middle of the boat. I asked, he said some crazy woman that had never driven a boat before was in the middle of the ocean ran through my boat and nearly killed all of us. He made the comment, man we were all swimming and were scared of the sharks etc..
For some reason he still had the boat. It was tore UP! The good thing is it is not another boat on the floor of the ocean.
My .02$
Russ

24RODjr
09-04-2002, 07:39 PM
Nice to see you chiming in on this one Pop...I have a hard time believing that any of us would keep our cool in this instance.
Jordy,
In regards to the thumb amputation, is it cool to just yank it off? More painful I think.
-Chris

Jordy
09-04-2002, 07:45 PM
24RODjr:
In regards to the thumb amputation, is it cool to just yank it off? More painful I think.
-ChrisThat would work too. Just tie some rope to the offender's throttle thumb, dally his ankles to the dock or a tree or even another boat, hook the thumb rope to the ski ring on your boat and hammer down, out of the no wake zone of course. Sounds bueno to me.
Jordy :D
in other news, I did have some kid on a rental jet ski bounce off my pump this weekend at the ramp. Hit it, looked at it, looked at me and kept going. Wishing I had my sharp wire dikes with me at the time...

beached1
09-04-2002, 08:39 PM
Actually, Bense and 77 raise a good point that I didn't consider. I was simply trying to come up with a solution to the problem that most boat owners have considerably more $$ invested than the average PWCer does in theirs. Therefore, they stand to lose more $wise in an accident with one. I just think that a stupid move by someone should have to be forced to foot the bill for the reapirs of the parties involved. If not, then they lose their Drivers lic for a year and have have to file a SR22 and things like that.
However in reguards to the insurance thing and OTs, why should that jack up the price of coverage? Just curious cause when I called Progressive, my auto ins dealer, all they asked was what was my HP, hull length and drive. They didn't even ask to see it.

79Hawaiian
09-04-2002, 08:54 PM
Personal Watercraft: Fact Sheet
Introduction
Since 1990, personal watercraft (PWC) use in the United States has increased by an estimated 400%. In 1996, there were approximately 900,000 PWCs in use.
PWCs are approximately 8 feet long and are powered by self-contained engines with an enclosed propeller that uses pressured water for thrust.2 Current models can reach top speeds of 70 miles per hour. Most models are designed to accommodate 2 to 3 passengers. A PWC cannot be steered when the engine is off, even though momentum may still carry the PWC forward.
Regulations for PWC operation vary from state to state. Each state has a designated State Boating Law Administration that is responsible for legislation.
Injury Experience and Severity
Nationally, since 1990 there has been a four-fold increase in injuries associated with PWC. In 1995, an estimated 12,290 persons were treated in hospital emergency departments.
In 1997, 22% of the PWC-related injuries in the United States occurred to youth under the age of 18. Of those injured children, 46% were PWC operators and 27% were passengers.
PWC-related nonfatal injuries to operators of all ages included lacerations and contusions. The most frequent injuries occur to the leg (34.4%), head (29.1%), and the lower trunk (12.5%).
Blunt trauma is the leading cause of fatalities among PWC operators and passengers.
Risk Factors
Inexperience, excessive speed, and careless maneuvers by the operators are predominant causes of injuries to PWC operators.
Nearly 24% of injury events in 1997 involved operators of rented PWC. Approximately one-half of these operators had less than one hour of experience in PWC operation.
Collisions with docks, larger boats, and other PWC accounted for greater than 65% of all reported injuries.2,5,10 Collisions often occur when operators attempt to jump the wake generated by another vessel.
PWC offer no protection from impact to the operator or passenger.
Injury Prevention Strategies:
Educate the public on:
Learning safe PWC operation
Wearing personal flotation devices (PFD) and protective wetsuits
Traveling at safe speeds appropriate for conditions and only during daylight hours
Refraining from jumping the wakes generated by other vessels
Avoiding designated swimming areas
Meet with PWC manufacturers to encourage:
Designs of PWC that promote safety
Training of PWC operators on safe operation
Depicting safe and age-appropriate advertising
Promotion of PWC operation by persons 16 years of age or older
Meet with staff of state agencies responsible for safe boating enforcement to:
Evaluate existing policy aimed at reducing the risk of PWC-related injuries to children and adults
Promote equipment manufacturing safety standards that encourage safe youth involvement in the sport
Strengthen PWC regulations to protect youth from injury
Ensure stronger enforcement of laws and stiffer penalties for operators of PWC who put others at risk for injury
Work with the media to promote safe and age-appropriate PWC activities.
Promote the collection of statewide injury data that characterizes the etiology of the injury event.
Encourage research to determine effective injury intervention strategies.
The American Academy of Pediatrics states that operating personal watercraft is inappropriate for children under 16 years.12
Selected Resources
Boat Owners Association of the United States/Foundation for Boating Safety
880 S. Pickett St.
Alexandria, VA 22304
Phone: 800-336-2628 or 703-823-9550
Fax: 703-461-2855
Website: http://www.boatus.com
The Boat Owners Association provides information on boating safety courses with state-specific information.
Minnesota Center of 4-H Youth Development
University of Minnesota Gateway
200 Oak St. SE, Suite 270B
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone: 800-444-4238
Fax: 612-624-6905
Email: 4hcenter@extension.umn.edu
Website: http://www.fourh.mes.umn.edu/
The Minnesota Center for 4-H Youth Development developed a PWC curriculum entitled WAVE that teaches safe riding responsibility to adolescents. The program looks at public policy implications of PWC use.
Personal Watercraft Industry Association
1819 L Street NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: 202-721-1621
Website: http://www.pwia.org
The Personal Watercraft Industry Association has information for boating safety promoters, educators, and others who are active in legislative and educational activities.
U.S. Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety
Commandant, GOPB U.S. Coast Guard,
2100 Second Street, SW, Room 3100
Washington, DC 20593-0001
Phone: 800-689-0816 or 202-267-1060
Fax: 202-267-4285
Email: infoline@navcen.uscg.mil
Website: http://www.uscgboating.org
The U.S. Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety maintains statistics on PWC-related injuries and a listing of boating-related water safety publications.
For additional information on personal watercraft injury prevention programs in your area, contact your:
State Maternal and Child Health injury prevention specialist
Local health department
State Boating Law Administration agency
Local personal watercraft dealer
References
United States Coast Guard. PWC accident statistics: 1987 – 1996. (On-line) 1998. Available from URL. http://www.uscgboating.org/
Hamman BL, Miller FB, Fallat ME, Richardson JD. Injuries resulting from motorized personal watercraft. J Pediatr Surg 1993; 28:920–922
Jones CS. Children and personal watercraft: injury characteristics and potential countermeasures. Injury Prevention 1998; 4(1):61–62.
National Transportation Safety Board. Personal watercraft safety. Safety Study NTSB/SS – 98/01. Washington (DC) 1998.
Tyler BC, Garrison HG. Injuries associated with personal watercraft. NCMJ 1997; 58:284–287.
Branche CM, Conn JM, Annest JL. Personal watercraft–related injuries -- a growing public health concern. JAMA 1997; 278:663–665.
United States Coast Guard. Personal watercraft injuries 1997. In press 1998.
Shatz DV, Kirton OC, McKenney MG, Ginzburg E, Byers PM, Augenstein JS, Sleeman D, Aguila Z. Personal watercraft crash injuries: an emerging problem. J Trauma 1998; 44:198–201.
Jones CS. Personal watercraft-related injuries in Arkansas: 1994 – 1996. Journal of the Arkansas Medical Society 1997; 94:111–112.
Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources. 1997 Boating program report. Bureau of Law Enforcement PUB-LE-314-98. Madison (WI) 1998.
Barach P, Baum E. Personal watercraft–related injuries. JAMA 1998; 279:433–434.
American Academy of Pediatric. Personal Watercraft Use by Children and Adolescents. Pediatrics 2000; 105(2):452–453.
(updated 7/24/02)
[ September 04, 2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: 79Hawaiian ]

beached1
09-04-2002, 09:42 PM
Those are some scary stats 79. Much like the risk I don't mind taking when I ride my dirtbike every winter, I enjoy riding a full mod stand up ski. If I break a leg or whatever, it should be my own choice. Just so long as no innocent bystander, or boater in this case gets jacked out of his weekend.
Education is the answer. But shouldn't just be common sense not to be anywhere near the lauch ramp unless you are launching or de-launching?
Like I said I still love to ride. I just don't need people like this to blow it for me or other responsible operators of PWCs.

BigDaddy
09-04-2002, 09:52 PM
NashvilleBound:
I would have tought him some english by beating him so bad his family would have felt it. The last thing by shoving his face into that hole in my boat. "speaka this..."Hey What does a Mexican and a Q-Ball have in Comon
The Harder you hit them the More English you get out of them

kcm21
09-04-2002, 10:32 PM
here's my .o2,
there are alwyas gonna be idiots on the water. I think lake lice get the bad name because it is so cheap to rent a pwc. hell If you could rent a flat bottom jet boat for fifty bucks an hour I am sure we would see stuff like this happen because some moron was so infatuated with the jet-o-vator! pwc or boat, if someone wants to operate them I think everyone should be required to take some sort of class and try to better educate them. Some people are just really that stupid but some people just don't know better. There is always gonna be some A hole on the water so just drive defensively and if someone runs into your boat on the ramp then you have my blessing to kick the living piss outta them.
-kev- :D
Jordy i think ripping the thumbs off violators of dumb mistakes really is a good idea! :D

waxer
09-04-2002, 10:53 PM
I agree with everyone on the licsening issue requiring a formal school with hours of water time instruction. But you cannot teach common sense, yes all of us were teenagers & were lucky enough to have fathers who beat the sense we have into us. On another point I was at Mayflower & took these pics for beached1, I would like to know what happened to the 5mph bouy that was 100 yds outside the launch ramp & also the canal point. Both have been missing for a few years. Why can't they enforce a loitering/ picknicking / screwing around at the boat ramp. There are always 15-20 of these people camp out playing at the boatramp. There were times in the years past that the park rangers would enforce the park rules & the river sherrifs / PD would enforce the 5 mph zona

djdtpr
09-04-2002, 11:30 PM
We were there when this happend it is a sickning deal luckilly the sea doo was a rental from what i was told and the rental place should legally have ins. on the ski!But i agree what happened to the no wake bouy!And another thing when in the hell did the launch ramp become a daycamp site this is becoming a serious problem.It is getting to where i hate all pwc's i dont care if they are stand up or sitdowns ill roost all of them if they get near me or my boat.

NashvilleBound
09-05-2002, 04:54 AM
Hey Big Daddy: Dont even get me started on that stuff....its my finest material :D :D :D I am just thankful nobody had hit me yet...I would be in more trouble than I already am :rolleyes: My english lessons are very direct!

canutowme
09-05-2002, 07:40 AM
My buddy was sitting on his dock up by laughlin when some guy on a seadoo came by and sprayed him, he was pissed but let it go, 15 min later the guy did it again so my buddy got into his boat to chase the guy down and get his numbers, well the seadoo started spraynig my buddys boat, my buddy went to speed up so he wouldnt get swamped and the seadoo went right at him, my buddy had to turn sharply to the left to avoid hitting him and flipped his boat. the seadoo took off but the kids buddy saw what happened and ratted his buddy out, he got a reckless driving, intent to swamp a vessel and is paying for my buddys boat to be fixed

Havasu Cig
09-05-2002, 01:22 PM
canutowme:
My buddy was sitting on his dock up by laughlin when some guy on a seadoo came by and sprayed him, he was pissed but let it go, 15 min later the guy did it again so my buddy got into his boat to chase the guy down and get his numbers, well the seadoo started spraynig my buddys boat, my buddy went to speed up so he wouldnt get swamped and the seadoo went right at him, my buddy had to turn sharply to the left to avoid hitting him and flipped his boat. the seadoo took off but the kids buddy saw what happened and ratted his buddy out, he got a reckless driving, intent to swamp a vessel and is paying for my buddys boat to be fixedI think I would have broke out the shotgun with some #8 shot and would have waited on the dock. Won't do any serious damage, but it will hurt like hell.

roostwear
09-05-2002, 09:18 PM
http://www.roostwear.com/kd.jpg
:D

WETDAWG
09-06-2002, 07:59 AM
I like this idea Roostwear!!! :D :D
I want some. I too have Sea Doos but I amm getting really fed up with the idiots who drive them :mad: (of course that does not include me) I think I'll make sure my Ex gets them in the divorce (It might save me spousal support) :D
I really hope this guy wasnt hurt toobadly amnd the fruitcake that hit him steps up for the damage. That sucks!!!
[ September 06, 2002, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: WETDAWG ]

kcm21
09-06-2002, 07:29 PM
if the driver is no speaky english what makes you think he has insurance......better hope it really was a rental!
-kev-

Tee
09-10-2002, 12:49 PM
Roostwear, I want a couple of those.

TOBTEK
09-10-2002, 02:07 PM
I didnt read it anywhere. But, how fast was the PWC going in the "LAUNCH AREA" to create that much damage to the boat? The jetski had to be going pretty fast dont you think?

beached1
09-10-2002, 02:26 PM
I don't recall what the speed was estimated at, but he surely wasn't under the 5mph no wake speed rule.

beached1
09-12-2002, 02:02 AM
Just got this e-mail.
I saw the picture of my crashed Eliminator on ***boat web. Very interested in the discussions that followed, I'll have to register and get in on it.
FYI: pwc boat speed was at least 40mph, x rays on my foot and leg were negative but Dr. did remove fiberglass from my foot. I still can't walk on it without pain and it is still very swollen and colorful, my insurance said the boat is totaled but only want to pay $14,000, I was expecting $20,000, we are not done with that for sure, no accident report yet from the police, by the way there was 3 people on the rented 2 man pwc, rental place does not sell insurance and does not require it for the rental, pwc was hardly damaged and the same idiots were ridding it the rest of the weekend, something has to be done with pwc and insurance on the water, while I'd like to see them banned some sort of regulation is required, these people rented a weapon and almost wiped out my family and they are going to get off leaving me holding the bag, it isn't right.
No, it isn't right. That sucks.

THOR
09-12-2002, 06:08 AM
Well,
that is why we have a legal system here in the US. If you dont recover your money and damages, then try the legal route.
Why in the F*&% do boater have to have insurance but not PWC owner/riders. Because they are not dangerous? Bullshit. Look at the F'up Eliminator.

24RODjr
09-12-2002, 08:52 AM
Seriously. This is like allowing Motorcycles on the road without insurace. They don't do that just because they are smaller...
This is just a STUPID issue that people are allowed to rent these things without insurance, or "speakie-english"
Sorry for the rant.

HCS
09-20-2002, 08:33 AM
I would have a mexican barbecue and fry his balls!! What do you do with your boat after that happens? I wouldn't want it even if someone repaired it! What A f*ckin joke,It pisses me off when I see PWC owners riding those damn things by a launch ramp! WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMB ASSES!!! THROW THERE BUTS IN JAIL,TAKE AWAY THERE GREENCARDS,AND SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: