79 sanger pump set back pic's

[sanger mike]

heres a few pic's of the quality work from jack at MPD. the boat is still down at MPD. jack just e-mailed me with these. I cant wait to get the boat home.:Dhttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Jet_LR_view1-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

rail kit and jet away by jack:Dhttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Rail_Kit1-med.jpg

[matt1]

That is way cool.

[sanger mike]

inside of boat.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Jet_Intake2-med.jpg

[youngster]

damn!!! jack does some incredible work!!!

[DEL51]

The sanger I used to own did 97mph with 3 big wisconsin guys up front.The pump was set back but no droop.It was a 75 superjet same hull but had been rebuilt.Full length stringers and a blown 468 on gas.I ran an A impeller and the rpm's were 62-64 hundred rpm depending on conditions.The colors are the same as yours.I had belly tank for the gas.

[Jake W]

Looks bitchen.:)
Jake

[Cavefish]

That is some beautiful work. Where does the bearing oiler come from?
Jesse

[cal***boat]

Mike, Did that the guy from Ukiah ever come over and buy the heads from you ?
If he did he owes me a 30 pack of bullets.

[cal***boat]

Originally posted by Cavefish
That is some beautiful work. Where does the bearing oiler come from?
Jesse
Jesse, You can buy those from Graingers or from Jack, They are used with a Jetaway because the oil in the Jetaway expands when it gets hot and has to have a place to go. If you don't have one it will blow out the shaft seal and thats turns into a real big mess.
When I put the Jetaway on my CP Tunnel I found out the hard way.

[AZKC]

Probably the next thing I would do is get it polished:D
That is frikin awsome my man, time and money well spent:cool: Makes me want to get to work on my sleds :rolleyes:
KC

[LakesOnly]

No question about the extensive effort and quality of workmanship perfomed on Sanger Mike's boat.
What y'all don't see is the work that was done to the hull bottom at the same time. That will make all the difference in the world--especially for the pump work you're looking at.
LO

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by cal***boat
Mike, Did that the guy from Ukiah ever come over and buy the heads from you ?
If he did he owes me a 30 pack of bullets. yes he did, and thanks verrrrry much:D :D I owe you a pac of bullets:) that paid for the bottom work by MR BENNETT:D p.s. how do i post a pic with out the atachment thing:confused:
heres a pic of the bottom

[cal***boat]

Originally posted by sanger mike
yes he did, and thanks verrrrry much:D :D I owe you a pac of bullets:) that paid for the bottom work by MR BENNETT:D p.s. how do i post a pic with out the atachment thing:confused:
heres a pic of the bottom
Mike you don't owe me a pack of bullets for sending him to you, Glad to hear him came and got them from you.
When I first told him you had the heads he was really greatfull and said HE would take care of me for finding the heads at such a great deal for him.
Oh well some people say one thing and then just forget about it.

[promod]

:D :D that is a clean set up man you ought to be proud no matter what it cost youLL have some braging rights with that just keep it clean awesome as hell:D :D

[AZKC]

p.s. how do i post a pic with out the atachment thing:confused:
heres a pic of the bottom [/B]
I've been copying the properties and pasting in the img button prompt like the old format, seems to work fine. They still may have to be hosted somewhere not uploaded from your harddrive.
Oh yeah and did I say I have pump envy now :) Very nice
KC

[monkey rage frank]

looks f'n sweet good job jack , I noticed jack looking at my boat the other day when i took it to dave at dne maybe i should swing nextdoor

[Jbb]

RD ...Thread Killa!....:)

[Jake W]

River Dave why would you need a lot of HP to run a Jetaway?One of the main things, is to be able to run the motor out of the water and not worrie about hurting the pump.:wink:
Jake

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by RiverDave
Sanger Mike,
1st Question.. Do you mind if I use some of these pics for a personal project I'm working on?
2ndly, How much HP are you running that you'd require a jetaway?
3rd, at what point in the HP curve would you shy away from an engine box and start looking at a full stringer boat?
RD
RD,
Don't know where the hell sangermike is....but I can tell ya:
#2) sangermike's new boat motor is an LS7 454 with aluminum heads and is blown. I believe his minimum HP expectancy is 800/pump gas, but increase boost and LOOK OUT.
#3) This question really depends on the boat manufacturer, the model,--and equally as important--the LAY-UP of the hull. For example, even though most Sangers did not come std with full-length stringers (had to be requested when placing an order), they are plenty strong when compared to other hulls because they are typically thick and beefy. On the other hand, my Southwind Formula I hull has full-length stringers, but my researching points to my hull being a very light lay-up (fewer glas layers/excess resin squegee'd off, etc.). Hull is sturdy but I can hear the smallest ripples under my hull and cannot stand on the bow for fear of crashing through to the floor below. Without my full-length stringers, mikey's motor would thrash my hull.
sangermike's rail kit AND front and rear motor plates will help to evenly distribute the load of his engine evenly along the length of his stringers.
(Sorry mikey, couldn't resist!),
LO

[beached 1]

Nice work Jack!

[MoparSanger]

Mike, That thing came out sweet!

[RandyH]

Nice set up Sanger Mike, Awesome work. Post some pictures when its all finished. Got to save those for my master file.
Thanks
RandyH

[Mohavekid]

That sure looks good.
What kind of work was done to the hull?

[sanger mike]

sorry I have'nt answered back to everyone, Ive been busy with work and home.:frown: thanks for all the nice complements:D Ill go over everything that was done, with alot more pics this weekend. heres a pic of how bad the hook was:eek:

[LakesOnly]

Damn Mikey, no wonder you were stuck at 72.9 gps:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/350hook5-med.jpg
I predict that with your new motor and pump w/setback, and that godawful hook taken out, you'll definitley hit hi 80's maybe low 90's.
LO

[Taylorman]

What is the little round glass container above the bearing on this pump?
http://www.***boat.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=488508

[Taylorman]

What did the rail kit set you back?

[DEL51]

I did not rebuild my sanger. I purchased it from the guy that built the molds and initial boats for E-tcket in Havasau. He strengthend the hull with small bulk heads connecting to the stringers.This is a fast jet boat hull! I ran Iron merlin heads with an 871 and 2 dom's. the colors of your boat are similar to what I had.The belly tank required more horsepower to air it out. It had a LS7 with aluminum heads and solid lift cam and would run about 83 with a b impeller @ 5900 rpm. this was normally aspirated.I did put a fogger nitrous system on set at 200 hp. It would cavitate when the Button was on and turn 6700.The blower setup did the trick and 97 with 3 and pushed the faria gauge past 100 with me and one passenger.I did add a precision bilett aluminum A impeller After installing the blower motor.I did not have a rideplate and shoe but I never had a problem loading it cause the builder did something with the intake install.You should be able to do 100 + no problem.

[Jake W]

Taylorman it is for the Jetaway oil to expand in to.
Jake:wink:

[HammerDown]

A friend of mine has an absoutely mint show room 75 Super Sanger Jet.
Quick little boat...but it rides like crap at cruise speeds, none stop porpoise. And yes it has a Diverter.

[bp]

mike, it just looks awesome. happened to see it a few times during the development phase. good to see it now that it's there. i think the really neat thing is that the transom still looks like a sanger superjet.
see ya on the rope!

[sanger mike]

sanger geting turned over at mpd. :eek!: :Dhttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Hull_flip1-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

as stock from sanger.:yuk: when i bought the boat.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115dsc_059-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

last year after I started working on the pump.:idea:http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115mcc_005-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

after jack's magic.:Dhttp://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Jet_RR_view1-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

AGGRESSOR 9 VAIN BOWL REWORKED BY JACK.:D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_int_bowl_vanes-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_ext_bowl_vanes-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

sanger intake before MPD:o http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115195-med.JPG

[sanger mike]

sanger intake after mpd:D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Pump_mockup2-med.jpg

[Threeve]

looks like some nice work gets done at Jack's place. Can't wait to hear about the speed improvments

[pops1]

MIKE, LOOKS "GREAT" NOW ENJOY! DAVE:)

[Hustler]

Originally posted by RiverDave
What's the deal with all the holes in the ride plate?
Is that for bolting stiffening ribs to it?
RD
Yes those holes are for stiffening bars

[TRG]

man i wish i could afford jack!
one question, when jack blue prints these bowls is he essentially polishing them on both sides or, is he roughing one side then polishing the other (kinda like head work)? i guess what im trying to say is would it be more efficient to have everything polished to a high shine,clean and sharp? tizzodd

[sanger mike]

polised intake ready to go in the boat.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Polished_Intake2-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

heres a pic of the keel before jack and MR.BENNETT did the bottom work.:eek: http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Keel_Rocker1-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

and after. notice how much the area in front of the intake was built up.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Reworked_Keel-med.jpg

[TRG]

do you know what mat. MR.BENNETT used to fill?
and im still waiting for a reply on the bowl mod. question please. anyone! i cant wait to see this sanger finished, love to see people taking pride in the preservation of the "HOT ROD" era!!

[LakesOnly]

sangermike,
The before and after photos of the keel with the straight edge on it tell the real story. That is the worst hook I've ever seen.
Your boat is gonna scream....
LO

[Cs19]

toddnjuzz, The veins are detailed by hand to a bare aluminum finish which is very smooth, I do not think the time and energy that it would take to polish the veins would pay off, both sides of the veins have the same finish on them as seen in the photo.
As far as the work Jeff B. did on this boat i do not know.However I have seen him do some work on other boats and on one in particular he removed some hook by filling in the low spots with a special filler and then blending it all in.He and Jack both do amazing work.

[sanger mike]

this is where the intake was set from sanger.http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115132-med.JPG

[sanger mike]

and now.:D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Intake_epoxied_in_place-med.jpg

[TRG]

cs, thank you for the reply!,... filler?
when people say "filler" in the auto body industry, that usually means "bondo",... is this the same filler that im thinking it is?
not trying to sacond guess anyone, but if you have an area to fill with a bit more than an 1/8'' would you want "filler" on the bottom of a high performance boat, that flexes more than a panel on a car?like i said,...everyone ,please keep your feathers from ruffeling, just trying to find out why you would'nt glass the area in to be more sound, than with a material that is notorious for shrinkage, cracking or just plain peeling off? i can understand the use of bondo for ,...pinholes, before re-gel or primers but, for removing the hook? thanks again for the reply cs19! tizzodd

[TRG]

i actualy met MR.BENNETT when he took the hook out of HBjets hull ,he is a real nice guy and does a beautiful job!!

[sanger mike]

HI todd, I really dont know what jeff uses to do the bottom. I live up here in nor cal and never talked with him, I just let jack take care of it.:) maybe if we could get HB back on we could find out. I guess i could call jack and find out.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115JB_measuring-med.jpg

[Cs19]

Im not sure what was used on this particular boat here Todd, but I would trust Jeff's work on my boat anyday,.The guy is the best when it comes to bottom design and blueprinting among other things, he has hundreds of boats out there running with his bottom work both on the track and the lake,Jeff has some real experience to say the least.I just hope he still has interest in jetboats when I decide to make some changes to the keel of my boat, after all he had a hand in the bottom design of it.:D
No feathers ruffled here Todd. Later,Chris.

[sanger mike]

ANOTHER LITTLE GOODIE.:cool:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115DPS_Inducer_finished-med.jpg

[pops1]

Originally posted by sanger mike
and now.:D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Intake_epoxied_in_place-med.jpg MAR GLASS-Its a bondo like material except it has glass fibers in it. You can get it at most any good paint shop or! Dave:)

[TRG]

thanks dave and chris for the reply like i said, im not trying to piss anyone off, just wondering if its the best way to fill! thanks any way! todd

[SPECTRABRENT]

I like alum. piece that the intake is bolted to. I guess its stronger
than reglassing the hole and reseting the intake.
Brent
www.spectramarine.com

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by toddnjuzz
thanks dave and chris for the reply like i said, im not trying to piss anyone off, just wondering if its the best way to fill! thanks any way! todd todd, don't worry im not pissed.:) I like all the questions, just havent had time to reply.

[TRG]

right-on bro!!!

[Riverdog1]

Damn Sam, that's a heck of alot of polishing work. That looks killer. Looks like there is some sheet metal covering up the hole you left when you scooted the pump back. Is it? Acually, forget that, now that I see the other pics.
Ya know, I sure wish I knew about filling the hook before I did mine. I took it off with a grinder and )*^^$%%^ hours of sweat, blood and tears and ITCHING!
Is the bottom of that intake (where the metal plate extends behind it) filled, or glassed?

[Threeve]

dude that looks killer. I cant wait to see the finished picks.

[bp]

jb did the bottom of my sw last january/february. we were rained out after a day and a half, and had to finish it a couple weeks later. he spent almost a full day just around the transition from the keel to the intake. although we made some other mods last winter, the bottom work made one hell of a difference in et.
'course, he's a friend so i'm biased, but i learned alot about setup from him over the years... :) when you can spend hours with jeff and jack in the same space, discussion get's real interesting. it's best not to talk; just listen...

[bp]

avatar much better.

[sanger mike]

HI BP, DID YOU GET THE CP FROM UP NORTH:D oh ya I would love to be a fly on the wall in that shop:cool:

[Cs19]

I think thats a little secret mike,shhh. :D
It really is amazing how much you can learn from these guys,the work they do really is amazing.Your boat looks great mike,just dont park it under any trees from now on...j/k :D

[bp]

's ok. it's in a bag (literally). must save lottsa pennies to do what i want, so it'll be awhile.
bottom line is that i'm kinda anal about not starting something i cannot finish, so when i have everything i need to make it happen, i will. plus, i'm not going to take anything away from what i'm currently doing with the sw. there's been a lot of time and work put into where we are with that deal to this point, and i'm not going to go backwards with it to make the other thing work.
the sw is a lake boat with a lake engine, that happens to run 10s at 106 or so. the other deal would be completely different.

[SPECTRABRENT]

MIke,
Can you show some pictures of the bottom with the reset intake?
Brent

[BILLY.B]

Sanger Mike. Seeing you boat makes me re-live my younger days. I heard about all these pictures on here and now I can see why your so excited. I will be getting back my Sanger sprint jet (1980) from the guy I sold it too in just a couple of weeks. Has a trick installation like yours done by Bernies boat works (famous shop back then) complete with a polished droop and BOSS 429. The cockpit is completely stuffed in the back trying to house that engine. No gas fills, it has a puke tank that you fill from and it drains to the side tanks. Didn't want any gas damage cause who'd I get to match the paint :D . As far as the one guy who asked what filler could be used on the bottom of a boat. There are alot of new fillers out on the market today. Evercoat makes a really good one called EZ grip that I used when I did the bottom of my K- boat. I added to my strakes and they are about 2" wide and about 1/2" thick. the stuff has amazing grip and flexability. when I was done with the filler I brushed on a couple of coats of resign to seal it all up. Then speed coated the whole job. Hope this helps you out. :cool:

[sanger mike]

thanks BILLY, you better brush up on your sanger jobey- jobs,cause I heard theres this crazy dude who drives a K-BOAT down your way.:D :D :D you get one guess at whos painting the boat next winter. check out the the fuel fills.:mad: http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115a4-med.JPG

[Cs19]

Billy B. owned a jet? :eek: Im going to have to look through my dads old havasu pics, If he has some of his old jetboat, I will post the pics in the v-drive forum, :D he will never hear the end of it from the v-drive guys.

[Squirtin Thunder]

Ok Mike,
I am a Sanger owner too. Mine is a '77 Super Spirint Jet, it has the double concaved bottom. Now for over a year I have been thinking about a droop but I have been told by Greg Shoemaker that, that boat did not respond well to a droop. What is your take on this or anyone with info. Now I have extended the stock ride plat by 8" and sharpend the leading edge of the hores shoe and I have a diverter with stock A impeller which I also cleaned up and balanced. The boat right now is running 74mph on gps at 5300rpms. Do you or anyone feel that the droop will loosen the boat up. It is so stable Sanger foot throttle on the wood I can turn around and mix drinks and not spill a drop, if the wind does not get ahold of it. The pump is a 12JBA. The new engine is going to be about 10.8-1 two 750cfm carbs and a little more cam and ported c8 cast head. What I foregot 472ci BBF.
Any help????

[TRG]

hey squirt, you hane a nice lookin' boat!!

[sanger mike]

hey squirt, 74 is not bad at all for that boat. mine ran 76 on gps with an LS7 tunnel ram motor running about 690 hp. theres a boat the same as yours in folsom ca. he also did a set back. with duane at high tec marine in oaklahoma. pumpkin hangs out in the banderlog fourms. and knows alot about that hull. :D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Jet_RR_view1-med.jpg

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by sanger mike
AGGRESSOR 9 VAIN BOWL REWORKED BY JACK.:D http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_int_bowl_vanes-med.jpg
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!! looky what i've been missin! That bowl kinda looks like HBJETS bowl after a conversion....except someone makes it FACTORY! Look what kind that is. :D Is that a polished place diverter too??? Surprised your man let it in his shop with all that "foreign" material attached to it! :eek:
Alot of time and money spent here on this badboy. About as much as i spent on mine. Looks great as it should. Can't imagine what that's costing you to have done...why didnt you just buy a tunnel and save youself the headache($$$$) and be farther and faster ahead?
:confused:
CHET
P.S. where is the 'factory" stuffer btw???

[Phil Deez Knutts]

Hey Chet,
I need your help in the v-drive section....
I was looking for some of those trick stainless handles like you have, you know, the one's from Home Depot? How did you mount them?

[ChetCapoli]

well phil,
i tell ya what, when you graduate to "senior" status from junior, maybe i'll help ya then. Shouldnt your name be drane instead of phil? Home depot has those on sale till Xmas btw....toiletpaper's extra cuz they dont sell it there.
glad you like em....
CHET

[TRG]

hey s.mike, when do you plan to have your boat in the water and where are you going to do it?
i want to know how much of a diff. you notice? im kinda on the fence with the whole set back pump thing! hell i dont know how much further back i can go with my rogers anyway.its about an inch from the transom now. were was yours when you started? thanks, todd

[Jake W]

Chet you are such a TARD.You bag on some one for detailing a Berkeley then you bag on some on for detailing a Aggressor.Mikes Sanger is a nice looking hull made by one of the best Boat manfs of its time.You bag on MPD but have never showed us and thing better.Why dont you keep your coon ass coments to your self .
Jake:D
PS who give a **** how much it cost him its not you money any way

[Jake W]

Squrtin Thunder there is a guy on another board that goes buy the name Pumpkin that has a flat deck sanger with the same bottom as yours and he runs a Berk droop his pump has been set back fairly far and some bottom work done by HTP I think they said it runs around 77 78?I think the bottom work and set back ended up to 7 mph or so.i know they do not post on hear but mabey he will if he sees this.
Jake:D

[sanger mike]

HEY THERE CHET,
1-about the money? I dont care its a classic.:p
2-I dont want a tunnel.I sold my southwind tunnel dragster.
3-as for the aggressor stuffer. well? WHY DONT YOU BE THE JUDGE.:rolleyes:
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_Stuffer_fix-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115image5-med.JPG

[Jake W]

Lookie there Chet this is the little things Jack does to make sure things are ship shape.Why do you think he is counter sinking the holes in that there stuffer.So the new bolts (not the too tall bolts from Aggressor) will fit flush and not hit the impeller.Some times the small things make all the diffrence to certin people.
Jake:D

[Squirtin Thunder]

What board is that?
My Sanger had a 466ci BBF I was only able to turn 5300rpm but I feel that that was my falt. I F&^K#D up when I got the Cloyes timing set 8deg retarded. I pull that piece off sent it back to Cloyes and they sent me the Ford piece good stuff. If this was back in the boat I feel it would run atleast 5700rpm with single 750cfm AFB. But the boat is to stable to even scare or give you the feeling of the edge. It seems that at this point the engine is the only limit. I just want the boat a little looser. I worked on the ride plate for a week I have that just about perfect I think. I think that the hull design gives good lift but I want more. I may have to mess with the diverter settings a little to fine toon. But I think I am close. What my plan is a 472ciBBF T-ram Two 750cfm AFBs C8 ported heads Comp EX hyd 288 304 244 254 .570 .575 112 range 2200-6500rpm 10.8-11.5-1 and big valves 1.7 rollers. I am hoping it will get into the 80s. I need a new intake gate/ramp. Should I do a droop or just a long nossel?
Mike what type of rudder is that it looks racy and I need one?
Thank you ***boat Just Jets for your help.

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by Jake W
Why do you think he is counter sinking the holes in that there stuffer.So the new bolts (not the too tall bolts from Aggressor) will fit flush and not hit the impeller.Some times the small things make all the diffrence to certin people.
Jake:D
Well mr. hobo on a ham sandwich, i would think most guys would make "that there" stuffer(are you a hick??) fit right in order to properly blueprint a pump. As far as too tall bolts, the bolts for my stuffer were ok to me. I countersunk them only to set the stuffer/impeller clearance tighter. Same bolts though.:confused:
Instead of swaring at me, why not "hobo" it out to CA and pick up that SW tunnel your creamin your pants about on the other thread. Maybe you'll find that double bolted berk droop(and a ham sandwich too) at a garage sale along the way.:rolleyes:
CHET

[Jake W]

Hey Chet why dont you just buy a boat we have even hear of?Man you got me on that hobo thing the more you type it the funnier it is.Man you have a stuffer you sure that did not brake the bank.
Jake

[Jake W]

Squrtin Thunder they post on the Banderlog board.
Jake:D

[ChetCapoli]

stuffer came with the bowl jake. Looks like somethings missing without one in that bowl.
CHET

[Jake W]

Chet you talk all this shit about other peoples stuff lets see that pic of you black and white back yard pump.
Jake

[sanger mike]

dont worry chet, I know just a little bit about sangers and boats. heres a pic of my last sanger i owned. and yes it was a v-drive. I grew up watching sanger jack race at the oakland estuarey and chowcilla.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Mikey_s_Sanger-med.jpg

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by ChetCapoli
stuffer came with the bowl jake. Looks like somethings missing without one in that bowl.
CHET BULLSHIT! THAT STUFFER DID NOT COME WITH THE BOWL.:mad: I PAYED EXTRA FOR THAT,AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF THAT STUFFER WAS ****ED UP. JUST LIKE I WAS WORNED ABOUT IN ADVANCE. LOOK AT THE GOD DAMN HOLES THERE OFF CENTER. DONT GET ME STARTED ABOUT AGGRESSOR CHET. IF YOU WANT iLL P.M. YOU. AND THATS AS FAR AS ILL GO ON THAT.

[Duke]

Those are both some sweet sanger's mike, gj and keep up the good work

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by sanger mike
dont worry chet, I know just a little bit about sangers and boats. heres a pic of my last sanger i owned. and yes it was a v-drive. I grew up watching sanger jack race at the oakland estuarey and chowcilla.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Mikey_s_Sanger-med.jpg
And that wasn't your first V-Drive, mikey.....
By the way, I took this picture!
LO

[LakesOnly]

Advice to Mr. Capoli:
It's called "pussy," Chet. ****ing. Getting laid. Look into it.
LO

[78Eliminator]

Originally posted by LakesOnly
Advice to Mr. Capoli:
It's called "pussy," Chet. ****ing. Getting laid. Look into it.
LO
Hey Lakes, I just found the hard drive that has the software you and I were talking about. You still need it?

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by 78Eliminator
Hey Lakes, I just found the hard drive that has the software you and I were talking about. You still need it?
Dude, do I ever! I have all kinds of archives in that drive....classic cars I've owned; important music tracks that can never be captured again; documentation to a lawsuit against a caniving previous employer; pictures of naked lesbo's on my bed, etc.
Check your p.m.
LO

[78Eliminator]

Ok, I'll let you know once I've sent it.

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by toddnjuzz
hey s.mike, when do you plan to have your boat in the water and where are you going to do it?
i want to know how much of a diff. you notice? im kinda on the fence with the whole set back pump thing! hell i dont know how much further back i can go with my rogers anyway.its about an inch from the transom now. were was yours when you started? thanks, todd
hi todd, well not only am I doing the pump set back, bottom reworked, complete race prep pump, Im also doing a complete motor change:eek: old motor was a pretty stout LS7 454 about 620 hp. new motor will be BLOWN, 468 aluminum pro action 320cc heads, solid roller,BDS 871 HUFFER, target hp should be 750-790 hp on pump gas. and I live only 27 miles from camp far west, as far as when, Im not sure. its kinda pay for it as i have the money thing. I DONT WANT TO GO IN TO DEBT OVER A BOAT :) sould be ready for summer.

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by LakesOnly
And that wasn't your first V-Drive, mikey.....
By the way, I took this picture!
LO HEY PAUL, :D AND IT WONT BE MY LAST V-DRIVE. IM THINKING SANGER HYDRO IN A FEW YEARS. TO MATCH THE SUPER JET:eek:

[likwidsukr]

I dont think that was nice I like my ham sandwich WTF a hobo done to you and What is wrong with a "hick"
Jackass

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by sanger mike
HEY PAUL, :D AND IT WONT BE MY LAST V-DRIVE. IM THINKING SANGER HYDRO IN A FEW YEARS. TO MATCH THE SUPER JET:eek:
And I am still looking for just the right Southwind Tunnel to match the Formula I.
LO

[sanger mike]

ya ,it just slipped through your fingers. 77 tunnel dragster 3,500 in AZ. complet with BBf:sleeping: :sleeping: on that one.

[b's sanger]

I have seen a photo of Billy B's old Sanger Sprint Jet. Laugh all you want, but it had A Boss 429 in it. The motor alone has to be worth 15k to 20k.

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by b's sanger
I have seen a photo of Billy B's old Sanger Sprint Jet. Laugh all you want, but it had A Boss 429 in it. The motor alone has to be worth 15k to 20k. OH BELIVE ME IM NOT LAUGHING. that boat has got to be one bad MTF.:D

[b's sanger]

The last time i talked to Billy, he had recently sold it and the guy only had it out once. Bad case of garage rot, what a waste. Billy was actually thinking of buying it back.

[HBjet]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20b7a-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/20b7b-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_ext_bowl_vanes-med.jpg
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/115Aggsr_int_bowl_vanes-med.jpg

[ChetCapoli]

OH MY GOD! LOOK WHAT THE CAT DRAGGED IN! It's my bud HB.
Looking like it's getting interesting again. Why not put up a pic of a berkeley bowl while your at it and you can tell how much nicer "that there" brand X bowl is over the faithful standby huh??. How about the cast in stuffer area "factory" and the extended bowl veins front and rear "factory". Blades look as sharp as the possibly can be.
That bowl really looks like it needs "majic" done with all "them there" casting flaws. Looks like someone took your money and ran but they get a smile outa ya at least and unlimited cheerleading sessions on ***boat.com. Only in CA boy....
Ol HB, question....you gonna notice all that shiny polishin and blade thinin? Tell me where would ya be so kind? :confused:
Hey sanger....question for you....what would a stuffer like that cost to make if you had a berkeley??? $200 maybe...$250??? CP has a "billet" one i think for $250.... To get one for $80 bucks or so with the holes MAYBE off a little that BOLTS RIGHT IN seems a bargain to me in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD so why not cut the "dont get me started" kick ok?:rolleyes:
this is just too funny.
CHET

[b's sanger]

Hey Sanger Mike, I have a question on your pump set-back. Are you supposed to set the motor back with the pump for the whole concept to work, or can you modify/lengthen the driveshaft and have it be just as effective. Also what do you think will be your top end difference with the modifications?

[TRG]

If im not mistaken, you would lengthen the drive line more so than moving the motor due to the attitude of the way the boat rides,... but then again most of the time i have my head so far up my ass sometimes i forget what day it is! .02 todd

[Squirtcha?]

Originally posted by b's sanger
Hey Sanger Mike, I have a question on your pump set-back. Are you supposed to set the motor back with the pump for the whole concept to work, or can you modify/lengthen the driveshaft and have it be just as effective. Also what do you think will be your top end difference with the modifications?
I know ya didn't ask me but here's what I've heard. It's gonna vary from boat to boat. Apparently some hulls respond well to moving the motor back when the pump is setback. Some don't respond well to it at all, and others (mine included) it doesn't make much difference. Other than my own boat, I couldn't tell ya which ones prefer what.
I left my motor where it was at, and extended the driveshaft to meet the new pump location.

[LVjetboy]

Chet, you still a slow ass bitch at (an alleged never confirmed) 88 or do you now rule? Keep on complaining about tunnels and what your motor would've could've should've done in another hull if you wish.
jer

[b's sanger]

Thanx Squirtcha, I am curious how the Sanger responds, I have a Sprint Jet with the concave bottom , droop and diverter. Seeing how his does will be a big help with future decision making$$$$

[Squirtcha?]

I found out about my hull and motor placement inadvertantly when Jake W posed the question to Jack McClure (MPD). He might know something about your hull as well. You might want to give him a call to see if he knows something about the Sangers. Can't hurt to ask anyway.

[b's sanger]

Yeah, I am likely stuck either way with the current engine location due to the clearence, or lack of, with my headers to the hull. About 1" on either side.

[Jake W]

bs Sanger there is a guy named Steve (aka Pumpkin) that has a flat deck sanger with the same concave bottom as yours.They had the pump set back but used a Jetaway so they that means the motor could only be set back so much because the jet away takes up about 4 or 5 inches but they did move the motor back .I think with the pump set back hand hole cover out of the boat shoed intake rideplate you know the whole deal ,O yea and had to do some bottom work ended up being 7 or 8 miles anhour.But in there case they had to cut out about a 3 foot by 1 foot piece of the bottom so that is some major bottom work.All of this is from what I can rember so some of the numbers might be off a little.Contack Duane at HTP 1316 794 8616 he is the one who worked on their Sanger.Good luck
Jake:D

[HammerDown]

Question on that pretty bowl port work. Are they able to port/polish the full vain? Or is it just a few inches in on both sides, and the middle section is un touched?
Never seen one up close.

[pops1]

Originally posted by HammerDown
Question on that pretty bowl port work. Are they able to port/polish the full vain? Or is it just a few inches in on both sides, and the middle section is un touched?
Its Facial Only! The vane extends some 48 Degree's in its wrap.
All the Tooling was Extrude Honed for Max Flow. We Just released
the New tooling 4-6 months ago. The 1,000 foot guy's are exploding the Suctions, Impellers, Bowls from pre-detanation on intake loads while pulling from 1500 to 3000 HP.
I did get a laugh from the stuffer one posted. Someone is a little short on function vs form. I would agree we can and will change our bolts on the stuffer to cover the form side, Net result no change in MPH no change in E.T., it will have better form you are right.!
I just got back from The World Finals, which I seen 4 of our bowls ran bone stock- Also I took two of the new bowls (bone stock- we put on 2 other boats with new Impellers(bone stock out of the box) each and every boat went to finals, Some ran our stuffer others ran there own. FYI
What Mike wanted was a turn key job done right, he picked both McClue & Bennett to do his Job. You can find these Pro's in each and every state- what you want to watch out for is the old school
pump people that are just behind the times on whats happening.
Dave :wink:

[Squirtin Thunder]

b's Sanger
What was your gain by putting on the droop?

[Jake W]

Pops you are so vague if you have something to say we will all listen.It all most sounds like you are inferring something.I have an Aggressor bowl that was flowed and stuffer by Jack and have a long Aggressor droop that the casting on was not that great but will not hurt preformance.I had a short Aggressor droop that the casting sucked,it had for lack of a better word big pits missing and it was a polished and cant belive you let it out the door.I am not trying to bag on your probuct but every thing has its down sides and up sides.And some people are more perfectionist than others we know where Aggressor stands.
Jake:D
it sounds like to me the old school is skooling the new school

[HammerDown]

Pops, did you retool a new Impeller? your quot>"new Impellers(bone stock out of the box) "
or is this the same one I would be running for some 4 years now?
PS Did Phil Rochen (sp) run his boat at FireBird>...I herd Walt Bratwaith Jr. did real good. There locals here and run with the DVBRC here in the East Coast. I see alot of Aggressor parts on Jets at our Races.
;)

[b's sanger]

Originally posted by Squirtin Thunder
b's Sanger
What was your gain by putting on the droop?
Squirtin, I have no reference, I bought the boat with it already on.

[Squirtin Thunder]

How does the boat ride with the droop? How much power and what speed? How is reverse? Pulling a skier? Hole shot? Top end? Fuel economy?

[TRG]

ok,.. i'll throw a couple more pennies, when i installed the droop into my set up, the first thing that i noticed was that, when i tried to use reverse to get the boat off of the trailer it seemed that the pump was not loading and after a few sec. it hooked up! still cant fig. that one out! but as for the rest of the areas of performance,... perfect!, everything that i thought it would be! it took less throttle to get on plane, seemed to launch quicker, rode through the chop mo' betta! all in all, very happy!! todd
oh,..by the way, if anyone knows why i had a problem with the reverse thing,...throw me a bone!!

[b's sanger]

Originally posted by Squirtin Thunder
How does the boat ride with the droop? How much power and what speed? How is reverse? Pulling a skier? Hole shot? Top end? Fuel economy?
Squirtin, the ride is great and its got a hole shot from hell. I have had problems loading the pump off the trailer, but I found that if you push it off with the bucket open, it helps. It has done 76mph at 4800 rpm, however I have done some mods to the carbs/2 600's, but it was counter perductive. I had them jetted down one size and now I am way under carburated for the bottom end and head work that I did. Now I am at 73 @ 4800, but this is at 3/4 throttle, I push the last of the linkage down and their is 0 response. Fuel economy is not so bad, however i don't think that is related to the droop.
P.S. I pulled up your photo of your boat, nice ride, my brother has a 76 Super Jet with the same color scheme "Greecian Gold" per the factory.

[sanger mike]

Originally posted by toddnjuzz
ok,.. i'll throw a couple more pennies, when i installed the droop into my set up, the first thing that i noticed was that, when i tried to use reverse to get the boat off of the trailer it seemed that the pump was not loading and after a few sec. it hooked up! still cant fig. that one out! but as for the rest of the areas of performance,... perfect!, everything that i thought it would be! it took less throttle to get on plane, seemed to launch quicker, rode through the chop mo' betta! all in all, very happy!! todd
oh,..by the way, if anyone knows why i had a problem with the reverse thing,...throw me a bone!! hey todd, I think you guys are getting a big air pocket up in the bowl.

[cyclone]

Originally posted by sanger mike
hey todd, I think you guys are getting a big air pocket up in the bowl.
my boat does the same thing. It takes about 15 seconds for the pump to load up and reverse. after that its all good. The droop made a big difference in the way the boat rides. It airs out much better now even midway through the throttle. It also rides much better through the chop since the boat runs on top of the waves vs through them. The only adverse affect to turning the boat is that i now have to point the nozzle down before making a turn. Helps to get the nose down and digging into the turn. I scored 2mph on the top end with the droop so it was worth the 260 bucks in my book.

[sanger mike]

here's your ansewer. its called a prime-a-jet, it lets the traped air out of the bowl. you can get it from duane at HTP.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/503/115Prime-A-Jet_1664_Installed-med.jpg

[cyclone]

how much does it cost? damn man you are going off on that boat of yours! it looks awesome!

[sanger mike]

hi mike, thanks. 49.95 for the prime-a jet. the look on CHETS towel racks. PRICELES.:D

[cyclone]

hmmm. that looks to me like a breather that Currie Enterprises installed in my truck's 9-inch rear.

[Jake W]

I have a prime a jet on my bowl and it works really good you stick the boat in the water and do not have to wait for the pump to fill it lets the air out pretty fast if you look hard you can see it in my avatar.
Jake:D

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by sanger mike
hi mike, thanks. 49.95 for the prime-a jet. the look on CHETS towel racks. PRICELES.:D
I saw one of those primeajets over on realjetboats.com for sale a few weeks back...maybe you can get a deal? You know how i like DEALS.
FYI, they are not towel racks, they are shitpaper racks for primadonna's like you that take a ride in my boat after talking smack! Oh...bring your own paper!:D
CHET

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by Jake W
I have a prime a jet on my bowl and it works really good you stick the boat in the water Jake:D
How do you know this Mr. hobo on a hot ham sanwhich?? Did you stick the pump(thats not in a boat) in a bucket of water to try it when you werent on here BS'in one day or something?
$700 bucks dude for that SW.....must be the sandwhich was better eh?
CHET

[Jake W]

Chet you dumb ass the pump in my avatar is on my Tahit that I have been using for two summers about every other weekend.the Primajet is on my Aggressor bowl THAT IS ON MY TAHITI I USE?So how would I not know?What shit am I talking?Sounds like the only shit talker around hear is you.Buy the way dont you have a brovo to go grind in to gear?the only part I have bought fom Duane I am not using is the Jetaway and it will find a home on the Tahiti this winter for next year cool guy.
Chet is the shit!!!!
Jake:rolleyes: