New to the flatbottom scene

[Jim Anderson]

I have just purchased a flatbottom and it is all new and different to me. I used to have a 78 Southwind jetboat with a blown 468 chevy but I sold it to buy this new Cole. I am very lost and need some help. I am putting in a powerful motor (blown 540 on gasoline). Is there a special set up I need as far as where to put the engine? What about the cavitation plate location? I expect this boat to run 150. Thank you for your help guys.

[BADBLOWN572]

First flatty and you want to run 150. May god be with you!

[Threeve]

Hay Jim,
post a pic of that Cole.....I seen one in the boat trader that was in Havasu.
It loked orange and white.

[Threeve]

Jim,
You aint gonna see 150. maybe 135 if the motor is legit.
but, if you're new to flats, you shouldnt try to break 100 for a while.
My buddy here in LA just bought a flat and its WAY faster than my stout Sanger jet.
I dunno how fast we was going but it wasn't even 100

[Jim Anderson]

Can you guys help me? I do not have a digital camera but that is going to happen this weekend. The boat I bought is a 1978 Cole. I don't think it was ever raced professionally. The guy I bought it from lived in Temecula. It is Black with blues yellows reds and oranges. Is 150 unrealistic? The motor should producing well over 1500 hp.

[1st Timer]

Jim,
Seriously????????? 150 in a open flatbottom. Dude, get real, get a grip. Very few boats are capable. Ask the BBT's.

[Jim Anderson]

Why are you guys so negative about the possibility of going 150 in my boat? It does not seem that unrealistic. I have seen blown flatbottom here at the races go 175. I am not carrying near the weight.
Jim

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
I have just purchased a flatbottom and it is all new and different to me. I used to have a 78 Southwind jetboat with a blown 468 chevy but I sold it to buy this new Cole. I am very lost and need some help. I am putting in a powerful motor (blown 540 on gasoline). Is there a special set up I need as far as where to put the engine? What about the cavitation plate location? I expect this boat to run 150. Thank you for your help guys. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Pro-Gas Flattbottom racers run well over 140 with no blower!! Sit tight, someone will help you shortly.

[Sangster]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
Why are you guys so negative about the possibility of going 150 in my boat? It does not seem that unrealistic. I have seen blown flatbottom here at the races go 175. I am not carrying near the weight.
Jim
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/118cf8-med.jpg

[Jim Anderson]

Thanks for the encouragement v drive video. I think that people are just negative because they have not been able to achieve these kind of speed. What gear should I start with. The guy I bought it from said there is 23% gears in it. Will this be good to try? The darn guy kept the propellor that was on the boat so I have to buy a new one. There are so many things that keep popping up while getting this boat together.

[Sangster]

No such animal.....Maybe 22's or 25's.....But not 23's!!!!!!

[Jim Anderson]

Maybe you are right Sanger, maybe he said 22. Will this be good to try? Will a propellor off a hydro work the same on a flatbottom?

[Jake W]

See you should of just stuck with the JET.150 is dam fast bro.
Jake:p

[Sangster]

http://www.v-drives.com/Casale/Jpegs/gear_set.jpg

[Jim Anderson]

That is very informative Sanger, I will copy that down and take it to the lake with me. Jake, I wanted to go 150 that is why I sold the jetboat. It can be done. I don't even think it is going to be that difficult.

[P-Money]

I'm glad all of these 150mph blown gas flats are on the westcoast and not hanging out around the midwest! :rolleyes:

[Nstigator74]

Jim, I race a 8sec hydro and I've been 156mph, the guys in my bracket running flats aren't going much over135mph.The 8sec bracket is as fast as most associations will let you run without a capsule.(thats to keep your head and limbs attached to your body in the event you splash) Just be careful, your family will appreciate it.

[blownmoney]

That is very informative Sanger, I will copy that down and take it to the lake with me. Jake, I wanted to go 150 that is why I sold the jetboat. It can be done. I don't even think it is going to be that difficult.
i think i smell somethin brewing here!!.hahaah

[blownmoney]

all i know , is please, please , please let me know when , where your gunna try it for the first time... please!!:D :D

[Larry Nebb]

I think you will be pretty close to 150 if you really have 1,500hp.
I have a pretty stout motor in my canyon and I can turn a 54 gear no problem.
Don't know how fast it is yet but non of my friends will go for a second ride!
Maybe we could meet up at the river and pick on the jet boats. :eek:

[Jim Anderson]

I am detecting alot of sarcasm out of you guys. Why do you feel I will not be able to reach 150? What can I expect to hit for mph. Is 140 out of the ballpark? I am a good learner and can adapt to the flatbottom arena quickly. What is realistic?

[Slick Knutts]

Buddy you need to be gettin real if you think you are gunna break the 1 fitty mark. What kind of glue are you on

[SERIOUS ISSUES]

now now now people. he turned in his jet to go fast. that should say something for the guy. lets help him out a little. if he wants to go 150 tell him what he needs.
I have had several TR 2's I dont recall the prop size but at 6800 rpm w/ 18 gears it ran 102.
who has a 135-150mph flat on the boards. tell him HP you run, RPM and gears
As a guess at 7500 rpm w/ the right prop on that boat and 1.57 gears you would be getting close.

[Fiat48]

We all hope you are serious in your undertaking of a flat. There are plenty here to help you with motor locations, plate settings, and the like. When you ask a question like will a Hydro prop work on flat it tends to scare some of us a little. The answer is no.
Forget the 150 mph deal. There's no place to run it if you could. Generally 150 Mph is spelled Arias. I'll just leave it at that.
Get some pictures, show us what you have and we'll help you with your project. Be sure to listen as these guys know their stuff. You'll need some driving practice too.
First give us these measurements:
End of strut barrell to end of cavitation plate
inside transom to v drive mounting
Inside transom to the front motor plate.

[Nstigator74]

If you are for real:rolleyes: Fiat48 is a good guy to get HONEST advise from about fast flats.
1 question?? What's the fastest YOU'VE driven a flat too.

[Jim Anderson]

Thank you for all the replies. I will go and do the measuring you have mentioned Fiat. I have never driven a flat before but that should not really matter. It can't be that tough I would imagine. My boat has 2 peddles on the left. One looks to be smaller than the other. The one closest to the stringer looks like it was cut off some. Are these peddles suppose to be hard to push? I about gave myself a hernia when I pushed on em. I am going to measure and will be back in a few minutes.

[GofastRacer]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
I am detecting alot of sarcasm out of you guys. Why do you feel I will not be able to reach 150? What can I expect to hit for mph. Is 140 out of the ballpark? I am a good learner and can adapt to the flatbottom arena quickly. What is realistic?
Talk to Billy B, he runs 140+ in a circle boat with a little motor!..:D

[SERIOUS ISSUES]

double post:eek!:

[Jim Anderson]

Ok I have the measurements.
From the transom (inside) to the V drive is 8 feet 2 inches
From the transom to the motor is 3 feet 2 inches
There is no propeller to measure from but from the strut to the tip of the cavitation plate is 2 feet 3 1/2 inches.
All these numbers seem about right to me.
Any others?

[dmontzsta]

Jim it sounds like you have a real powerful engine and if you do in fact have enough power there to get you to 150mph, please dont try it until you get to know your boat. Flatbottoms are a little wicked and will push you back if you push them. I really suggest you get out and learn to work the plate and REALLY REALLY get to know the boat before even doing 100mph. Because I have done 150mph in a car and it is FAST, and they say the feeling on water is twice the feeling as a car, so 150mph=300mph in a car :) you know what I mean...
:cool:

[hboldno7]

Jim, whats the fastest you have driven a boat bfore you began your quest for 150 ?

[Rusty Knutts]

How FAST did that jetboat go, 147mph on the lake??????? :smilespi: :smilespi: :smilespi: :smilespi: :smilespi: :smilespi:

[Jim Anderson]

I never GPS it but I can tell you that it was fast. It spun 7000 rpm on the high end. It almost threw me out one time when the motor died on an all out speed run.

[Monkey Bung]

Sounds like a question for CAPTAIN GURU!!!:p

[Infomaniac]

The Cougar turns 37 gears about 7,700 with a 11.5-16 prop to get 134 on it's best day.
Oh yea - blown injected alcohol 509

[Rusty Knutts]

Don't need to be no guru to figure out this one! 7000rpm with a worn out panther pump = 65mph !! Just felt like 167mph on the lake.

[Jim Anderson]

I am curious about which propellor I am going to put on. Common sense tells me that if I have whats considered a small gear in the boat, that I should put a big propellor on. What is considered big? I am coming from using an impellor. What brand propellor should I be looking to buy?

[Monkey Bung]

Sangster may have some gears to help you on the big end.:eek: :wink:

[Jim Anderson]

Info mania,
see, you are close to the promise land. If you could just spin more rpms or be able to run a higher gear you would be at 150 mph. I think I will have a great motor that should produce lots of horsepower (well I hope)
Rusty Knutts, why are you so nasty with me. Did I do something to you?
I will not be denied!

[Infomaniac]

The promised land is not necessairily on earth with your family - man.

[Bird Percher]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
I have just purchased a flatbottom and it is all new and different to me. I used to have a 78 Southwind jetboat with a blown 468 chevy but I sold it to buy this new Cole. I am very lost and need some help. I am putting in a powerful motor (blown 540 on gasoline). Is there a special set up I need as far as where to put the engine? What about the cavitation plate location? I expect this boat to run 150. Thank you for your help guys.
Jim, do you carry your balls around in a wheelbarell? Because they are far too large to hang between your legs!!

[Rusty Knutts]

Don't mean to be nasty, just findin' it all Hard to Fathom for sum reason....Ya's can go over towww.dragboats.com and do some window shopping. Sure you can spend your $$ before the weekend there. Good luck in your quest. See I'm not Nasty, I no BS when I see it thow..

[Fiat48]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim Anderson
Thank you for all the replies. I will go and do the measuring you have mentioned Fiat. I have never driven a flat before but that should not really matter. It can't be that tough I would imagine. My boat has 2 peddles on the left. One looks to be smaller than the other. The one closest to the stringer looks like it was cut off some. Are these peddles suppose to be hard to push? I about gave myself a hernia when I pushed on em. I am going to measure and will be back in a few minutes. [/QUOTE
You'll find driving a flat a Hell of a lot more difficult than you imagine. I'd much prefer you to be scared of it right off the bat. I think you should ride in a flat with some decent power first.
Anyway, Unless someone moved that v drive it should be 95 1/2 to 96".
Motor location is forward as most are 34 to 36"
Strut location is further under the boat (if you measured right). Most are 26 1/2 unblown with 27 1/2 being blown. (This is old school, new race boats may have changed).
We will need to see those pictures. Also any history known on the boat?
"There's 2 kinds of flatbottom drivers. Those that have been wet and those that are gonna."

[Fiat48]

Originally posted by Infomaniac
The Cougar turns 37 gears about 7,700 with a 11.5-16 prop to get 134 on it's best day.
Oh yea - blown injected alcohol 509
Info, have you ever dyno'd that particular motor?

[Jim Anderson]

Fiat I dont have a history of the boat. Those are the correct measurements. I double checked. Does this mean the boat will not perform well? All this talk has me ready to drive this monster.

[Slick Knutts]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
I never GPS it but I can tell you that it was fast. It spun 7000 rpm on the high end. It almost threw me out one time when the motor died on an all out speed run.
Jim all kiddin aside,, if 7000 RPM felt fast to you in a jet boat youre in for a heck of a surprise. Dude I don't think you have a clue to what you are getting into. You better take a step back look into the mirror and see if you really want to go 100 mph,, let alone 150. You sound very clueless to me. My .02.

[Infomaniac]

Originally posted by Fiat48
Info, have you ever dyno'd that particular motor?
No never did. Blew my whole wad building the boat.

[Fiat48]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
Fiat I dont have a history of the boat. Those are the correct measurements. I double checked. Does this mean the boat will not perform well? All this talk has me ready to drive this monster.
V drive location is too far forward and motor location too far forward. Boat probably can't get it up. Viagra won't help. Need pictures. And pictures of bottom. Someone may recognize the boat. Maybe former race boat. May have a lot of rocker in the bottom of the boat. Lot's of variables.

[voodooCanoe]

Jim, if you are serious about the 150 mark. It is time to rethink things. Sometimes it hard to know if people are posting to just stir the crap, or if they are serious about their questions.
No 150 is not impossible, but it sounds like you just may be on the wrong track. It takes a gob shit of HP to get there and a hull
that is set up to run on a string.
Have been helping a friend (fastvdriver) with his flat this summer and he is running about 1200-1500hp and is running 8's in the 135mph range. Blown achohol, 500 ci. It is the old More Wheaties boat. Now the hull has gone as fast as 7.07 @ 157, but that was in the old days with the TAF motor making almost double the power.
Is the motor your running injected or on carbs? I would guess
115-120 is more in the range you should expect. Just my .02.
Good luck and be safe.

[Jetboatguru]

Wow Jim,
Sounds like you have been living in the town we like to call Fantasy Land. I just got done reading all the posts on this thread and it is quite interesting. 150 hah? You have some very big aspirations. How much does the boat weigh? Have you ever sat in a flat let alone driven one? I am guessing no since you almost shit your pants when you pushed on the down peddle. Take all the advice you can get from everybody in here before you "mash the gas" in the new Hot Rod of yours.
Tony

[Fiat48]

"More Wheaties" Lee's old boat. Brings tears to my eyes! Glad to hear it's still alive and thankfully not cut up for a capsule and back with alcohol power where it belongs. :D
Geez Tony! Don't hold back! Let him know how you feel!

[BLUBYU]

After reading this thread from the start, this can't be for real. Just a jet boater pulling your chains...IMO :D :D :D

[BILLY.B]

Originally posted by dog eat dog
then ta make it worse some jet guru dude know it all tryin to tell jimda moron wuts up wid da vdrive boat prolly never drove one his own self or been over 80 either man u guys in here r somptin else fer sure man o man i gotta laugh my ass off readin dis chit Is dog eat dog a relative of Rusty , Loose, and what ever other NUTTS family member that have come on these boards. It's only November and I can't wait to see what other WACKO'S the offseason brings :D :D . As far as Mr. Jim Anderson running 150 mph.... I think with all that horsepower he claims to be having, and with his knowledge of driving boats with lots of horsepower (his former jet boat ) 175 mph could be on the horizon. Screw running on ALCOHOL Jim, go nitro and 190 could be achieveable with the right water conditions of course. Oh by the way you could take off the control rod springs to make the pushing of the far "LEFT" peddle a whole lot easier. Just my .02 and good luck CHIEF !!!:D :cool:

[smalls]

Originally posted by BILLY.B
Is dog eat dog a relative of Rusty , Loose, and what ever other NUTTS family member that have come on these boards. It's only November and I can't wait to see what other WACKO'S the offseason brings :D :D . As far as Mr. Jim Anderson running 150 mph.... I think with all that horsepower he claims to be having, and with his knowledge of driving boats with lots of horsepower (his former jet boat ) 175 mph could be on the horizon. Screw running on ALCOHOL Jim, go nitro and 190 could be achieveable with the right water conditions of course. Oh by the way you could take off the control rod springs to make the pushing of the far "LEFT" peddle a whole lot easier. Just my .02 and good luck CHIEF !!!:D :cool:
What Chu Talkin Bout WILLIS?????????????
Just stay in your Hydro, Mr Anderson

[BILLY.B]

What do you mean what am I talking about. This whole topic is for Mr. Jim Anderson to gain as much info as he can to achieve his goal of at LEAST 150. Which shouldn't be very difficult at all :D :D .

[126driver]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
. I have never driven a flat before but that should not really matter. It can't be that tough I would imagine.
LMFAO! This guy is either:
[list=a]
Yanking our collective chain for shits and grins, or
Riding the short bus, inwhich case he probably already owns and is comfortable wearing a helmet.
[/list=a]
While I suspect (a), if it is (b) I suggest you keep your helmet on while you make your buck-fifty speed pass Mr. Anderson. :rolleyes:

[HavasuDreamin']

Every once in a while a thread comes around that has me cracking up. This is some funny chit! :D

[Jordy]

Hey Scott, I don't know about you, but seeing how this guy is from Flagstaff, I'd like to be there for the first 150+ mph run. I'll take a video camera, the digital, gps and whatever else might be required for this run. I hear Lake Mary is really nice for speed runs this time of year. :D :D :D

[hboldno7]

Hey Mr Anderson ? Do you know a guy named Phat Kat ?

[126driver]

Originally posted by jordanpaulk
Hey Scott, I don't know about you, but seeing how this guy is from Flagstaff, I'd like to be there for the first 150+ mph run. I'll take a video camera, the digital, gps and whatever else might be required for this run. I hear Lake Mary is really nice for speed runs this time of year. :D :D :D
Sounds good Jordy. I'll bring the shovel to dig him out of all of the REALITY that gets dumped on him when he mashes the gas. ;)

[Jetboatguru]

Jim,
do you have any pics of the boat? Do you have any friends with flatbottoms? Do you have any friends? Just kidding on that one. Maybe you could come out to Bakersfield next weekend with the boat? We are here for you Jim. Flatbottom drivers UNITE!!!!!!!

[Jordy]

Going back, this is one of my favorite posts so far in this thread:
Originally posted by Jim Anderson
Ok I have the measurements.
From the transom (inside) to the V drive is 8 feet 2 inches
From the transom to the motor is 3 feet 2 inches
There is no propeller to measure from but from the strut to the tip of the cavitation plate is 2 feet 3 1/2 inches.
All these numbers seem about right to me.
Any others?
All these numbers seem about right to me.
That's gotta count for something right?

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by jordanpaulk
Going back, this is one of my favorite posts so far in this thread:
All these numbers seem about right to me.
That's gotta count for something right?
What is tha dealio, 78 picks up a hydro and now you hang out in the v drive section??:D :D :D Prop envy??

[P-Money]

As I read farther and farther into this thread, I laugh harder and harder and this...
do you have any pics of the boat? Do you have any friends with flatbottoms? Do you have any friends? Just kidding on that one. Maybe you could come out to Bakersfield next weekend with the boat? We are here for you Jim. Flatbottom drivers UNITE!!!!!!!
..has got me rolling on the floor! :D :D

[FlyingV]

Originally posted by Monkey Bung
Sounds like a question for CAPTAIN GURU!!!:p
:p Sounds like you don't know shit Bung. :cool:
:D I'm back, I just got out of the big house.

[rrrr]

Pass the salt, please. :D

[Harry knutts]

I am Grandpa Knutt!! I have more experience than each and everyone of you ranging from row boats to jet boats. One things for sure, this young lad named Jim gotts his head up his ass. I am available for info via PM.
Granpa Knutts

[Busted Nut]

Originally posted by Jim Anderson
Can you guys help me? I do not have a digital camera but that is going to happen this weekend. The boat I bought is a 1978 Cole. I don't think it was ever raced professionally. The guy I bought it from lived in Temecula. It is Black with blues yellows reds and oranges. Is 150 unrealistic? The motor should producing well over 1500 hp.
Is sumbuddy making fun of proppa?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/1653_1.jpg

[Sangster]

Hummmmmm.....Big Proppa you trying to make us look like a bunch of Knutts??????????

[O.B eddie]

Hmm Somebody stole my only alias jim come on back to daddy eddie!! Y have been out on your own long enough now!! Next thing you will become the #2 Guuuuuuruuuuuuuuuuupppie!!!!! Please jbg respond to my posts.. Lets have some fun!! Heeee HHAAAWWW for the bbts :p

[Jordy]

Seems as though you're all Nutts... :D

[SANGER-RICH]

Originally posted by Jetboatguru
Jim,
do you have any pics of the boat? Do you have any friends with flatbottoms? Do you have any friends? Just kidding on that one. Maybe you could come out to Bakersfield next weekend with the boat? We are here for you Jim. Flatbottom drivers UNITE!!!!!!!
Does he have a benificiary??????????

[Monkey Bung]

:confused: "BUNG'S NUTS":confused:

[waterloged]

Well guys I hope that when my flat is done that it floats, than I will be ready for maybe 100mph:rolleyes:

[BILLY.B]

Mr. Anderson,
I would listen to GURU. He has driven enough fast flats to know what will and will not work. If he's offering you free advise i'd take it. I for one do not think 150 is possible with your set up. But then again anything is possible.

[BILLY.B]

Yeah what Roman 1 said. How have you been Roman 1?. Long time no see !!:eek:

[Roman 1]

Originally posted by BILLY.B
Yeah what Roman 1 said. How have you been Roman 1?. Long time no see !!:eek: Doin great thanks, we put up a mini-mall down the steet from your old house. I see your aunt down at the yogurt shack about once a month, she still looks great. Why don't you come up some time and we'll go fire off the Howitzer!!! :) :) :)

[BILLY.B]

Originally posted by Roman 1
Doin great thanks, we put up a mini-mall down the steet from your old house. I see your aunt down at the yogurt shack about once a month, she still looks great. Why don't you come up some time and we'll go fire off the Howitzer!!! :) :) :) Thats real nice, my Aunt's have all passed on. In fact the mini mall you built on stole the property from her. So I guess you made money off of stealing from her. Oh well what's a guy do when you get screwed by your friends..:mad:

[Roman 1]

Originally posted by BILLY.B
Thats real nice, my Aunt's have all passed on. In fact the mini mall you built on stole the property from her. So I guess you made money off of stealing from her. Oh well what's a guy do when you get screwed by your friends..:mad: Come on now, the judge awarded us that deed fair and square. Im sorry about her passing I didn't know. Give me a call at the office tomorrow, I'm confident we can work this out. :(

[BILLY.B]

Originally posted by Roman 1
Come on now, the judge awarded us that deed fair and square. Im sorry about her passing I didn't know. Give me a call at the office tomorrow, I'm confident we can work this out. :( Bull shit dude. We have the deed fair and square and it was giving to my mom ( aunt's sister) through her will. Sounds like your typical court BS to me. DAMN LAWYERS !!!:mad:

[fastvdriver]

Jim I run a 78 Cole TR2 with a blown alky 496 with 18 pounds of boost it will run mid 130's in 8sec. I'm running 29 gears with a 11 1/4 X 15 1/2 @ 7200 at the top end and 8700 out of the hole. you will need a larger gear and some time for the speed to build up. good luck and be careful.:p

[smalls]

HEY JIM! If you really want to run that fast call Ron Gose racing For one of there Billet props, They work Great! 209-367-7994
Good luck and keep us posted!