Glamis Thanksgiving

[Havasu47]

Anyone going?

[Ziggy]

Too crazy for my daughter at that time--wait a week or two so she can ride without the hazards.
Have fun tho--I'd go but I'll be cruising Havasu with glassy water instead.

[Havasu47]

Actually I am trying to decide on Glamis, Havasu, or California City????:confused:

[WILDERTHANU]

WELL...DO WHAT I DO. BOTH, RIVER AND GLAMIS.

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by Havasu47
Actually I am trying to decide on Glamis, Havasu, or California City????:confused:
Not easy to decide such fun things eh? :D I prefer Glamis the weekend after Thanksgiving since its calm and there's plenty of leftovers all over the place for my dogs..no need to bring any dogfood:wink: :D
Use one of them 3 sided coins and make a call...seems you can't go wrong with any of those destinations.

[anxious]

leaving tuesday morning through sat night. staying at roadrunner:D

[victorfb]

you guys are going to make me cry.:( i cant believe im going to miss a thanksgiving in glamis. in the past 20 years ive only missed 2, and thats because i broke my back out there, and it took me a couple years to get going again. if only i had ordered the new truck a month earlier. arrrrggggg!!!!:mad:
have a safe wonderful time all. ill be thinking aboutcha.:D

[bohica]

We'll be there, wash 13.5. Wednesday to Sunday. Can't wait.:D http://www.glamisdunes.com/photopost/data/500/914pic_012-med.jpg

[anxious]

is that your funco bohica

[Havasu47]

My son is pushing for glamis. Daughter is for Cal City. I love Glamis this time of year but can't go until Thursday.
You know what that means..... there will be about 3' of parking left. Can't go the week after, kids school and all.
Anyone with room for a trailer and motorhome, we could be new best friends.:D :D

[bohica]

Originally posted by anxious
is that your funco bohica
Yep, new Big 5 Gen. 4:D
Havasu47,
See other post in hot spots west. What kind of toys you got?

[NastyOne]

Long story short... the rangers beat some kids ass for no reason.
FBI probing accusations filed against BLM ranger
GLAMIS — A 19-year-old Encinitas man remains in a wheelchair with limited mobility after suffering spinal cord injuries here Nov. 2 allegedly caused by a Bureau of Land Management ranger against whom allegations of abuse of power and use of excessive force have been raised.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's office in El Centro is investigating the incident that a third-party witness described as being "pretty tragic" and "a shame."
Brian Boyd suffered bruising to the spinal cord in the neck area as well as having vertebrae in his neck and lower back wrenched out of place, said Tom Boyd, the alleged victim's father.
Tom Boyd, 52, of Encinitas, is a commercial airline pilot who served as an aircraft carrier fighter pilot in the U.S. Navy from 1973 to 1993. He retired from military service with the rank of commander and attended the prestigious "Top Gun" fighter pilot school twice during the course of his naval aviation career.
"There seems to be a bunch of cowboys out there abusing people. ... They thought he was a punk kid they could harass. ... We truly believe that an independent investigation is needed to let people know of the abuse," said Tom Boyd.
Roberta Boyd, 46, of Encinitas, is Tom Boyd's wife and Brian Boyd's mother. She witnessed the incident that led to her son being injured and said she was so distraught from seeing the alleged abuse suffered by her son that she had to look away and began dry-heaving.
"If I had interfered in any way, I really believe they were going to arrest me because that's what they told me," said Roberta Boyd.
The BLM rangers involved in the incident were identified by the Boyds and their attorneys as Ray Leloup and R.C. Magill. A spokeswoman with the BLM office in El Centro said Leloup is a ranger assigned to the El Centro office. The spokeswoman said Magill is not assigned to the El Centro office and information on where he is stationed was unavailable.
The Boyds and their attorneys have alleged Leloup was the ranger who injured their son.
The incident as recounted by the Boyds appears to have arisen from an apparent misunderstanding over a recreational use permit the rangers believed Brian Boyd had not purchased allowing him access to the Glamis-area sand dunes.
The Boyds, an avid off-roading family that frequents the Glamis area, were leaving the sand dunes the afternoon of Nov. 2 after having spent the weekend there. BLM rangers were checking vehicles on Gecko Road exiting the area for the recreational use permits guests are required to purchase to access the dunes. The Boyds had purchased two yearlong recreational use passes allowing them access to the Glamis sand dunes area.
According to Brian Boyd's parents, a long line of vehicles was backed up on Gecko Road. Their son was traveling separately in his off-road pickup truck and got tired of waiting. He decided to spend some extra time in the dunes and planned to get back in the line with his family once they were closer to Highway 78.
A short while later Brian Boyd used his cell phone to call his parents and said he was being harassed by a woman dressed in plain clothes who demanded to see his recreational use permit.
"He didn't know who she was and she didn't identify herself clearly as being a BLM official," said Tom Boyd.
Brian Boyd was in a nearby area and Roberta Boyd proceeded there on foot to help her son resolve the misunderstanding over the permit. Leloup and Magill had responded to the area by the time Roberta Boyd arrived and were questioning her son.
Roberta Boyd said she forgot to bring one of the two yearly passes with her. She and her son pointed out to Leloup and Magill that guests who had not purchased permits were merely being required to buy weekly passes as they exited the park. Roberta Boyd told the rangers she would purchase the weekly permit for her son in an effort to quickly resolve the situation, but the rangers refused to allow her to do so.
"I don't understand why they would not let me buy the weekly pass to resolve the whole issue. There was this whole line of traffic and people without passes were being asked to buy the weekly passes. They were all given the opportunity, but we weren't," said Roberta Boyd.
Leloup then asked Brian Boyd for his driver's license and he told the ranger it was in his pickup. It was when Brian Boyd turned around to get his driver's license that the alleged abuse of power and excessive use of force occurred.
"Brian turned to the left and just as he broke eye contact with the BLM ranger he grabbed him from behind with a chokehold using his right arm and he used his left arm to put pressure behind his neck like he was trying to snap it," said Roberta Boyd.
Her son immediately fell to the floor with Leloup still using the chokehold on him and Magill then jumped on top of both of them, said Roberta Boyd. It was at this time that her son began telling the rangers that he could not feel his legs.
"He told them ‘I can't feel my legs. I need medical attention. I can't feel my legs,'" said Roberta Boyd.
Roberta Boyd said Leloup told Magill her son was lying about his injuries and that both men picked him up, dragged him about 10 feet through the sand and released him onto the back of an ATV, causing the injuries to his lower back.
"The arresting officer (Leloup) said he was faking it and they both released Brian and he basically crumbled down to the ground because he couldn't support his weight on his legs," said Roberta Boyd.
The rangers are then alleged to have waited 20 to 25 minutes before calling for medical help even though there was a paramedic on standby at a nearby ranger station. Tom Boyd had by this time gotten onto Highway 78 and was unaware of the incident involving his wife and son.
Brian Boyd was taken to Pioneers Memorial Hospital in Brawley, where doctors ordered him life-flighted to San Diego because of concerns his neck and back were broken.
Leloup accompanied Brian Boyd to Pioneers Memorial and kept both his hands handcuffed despite the fact he was taped to a backboard because of the concern over his spinal injuries, said Roberta Boyd. Tom Boyd said he arrived and began asking questions of Leloup, who allegedly threatened to arrest him and his wife if they did not remain quiet.
"Tom had not seen any of this and had no idea what had happened except for bits and pieces I had told him over the patchy cell phone service. Tom had a lot of questions and he (Leloup) kept telling us to shut up or we were going to be arrested," said Roberta Boyd.
"The way my son was beaten was outrageous," said Tom Boyd.
The Boyds' allegations against Leloup cannot be easily dismissed because of a third-party witness who saw the incident and was so angered by what he saw that he left his contact information on a note placed on the windshield of Brian Boyd's pickup.
Lee Mize, 69, who lives near Sacramento, said he was driving through Glamis on Nov. 2 with his wife, Pat Mize, because they wanted to enjoy the scenery of the sand dunes. They had only seen the sand dunes from onboard the airplanes they frequently fly in when traveling to Arizona to visit family.
"Every time we fly over the area we think it's a nice-looking place to go to. This time we decided to drive by the sand dunes," said Lee Mize.
The Mizes stopped at the BLM ranger station near Highway 78 in Glamis to look at a map of the area when they heard "a lady" arguing with "a young man" who they later learned was Brian Boyd. The Mizes were about 20 to 30 feet from where the argument was taking place. Mize said he and his wife really did not start to pay attention to the argument until two rangers (Leloup and Magill) arrived on their ATVs.
Lee Mize said he could not make out the discussion between Brian Boyd and the two rangers, but he described it as being "a heated discussion going back and forth." Lee Mize added it was when Brian Boyd turned around to go to his pickup truck that he witnessed a "tragic" incident.
"The next thing I see is this kid turning around and take a few steps towards the back door of his pickup truck. When he reached for the door handle it looked like the officer was trying to block him from doing it. ... The officer grabbed the kid in a chokehold with his right arm that appeared to me to be very unnecessary. He put his left arm behind the kid's head and took him down real strong, real violently. It appeared to me that by doing that you could really hurt somebody," said Lee Mize.
The second ranger then jumped on top of both men, said Mize. It was after both rangers had handcuffed Brian Boyd and gotten off of him that Mize witnessed what he described as a "sickening" sight.
Lee Mize said: "The arresting officer grabbed him (Brian Boyd) by the back of the neck and started hammering his face into the dirt. I thought that was uncalled for because I didn't see that kid moving. He was just laying there saying he was hurt."
Lee Mize continued: "One of the officers said ‘Ah, hell, he's not hurt' and they pick him up off the ground and they drag him to the ATVs a few feet away. Then they held him there and let him go. Apparently, he had no feeling in his legs because he just fell down onto the back of the ATV and then to the dirt. He said ‘I have no feeling in my legs. I'm hurt.' I just thought the whole thing was a shame," said Mize.
Especially of concern to Lee Mize was the fact that it appeared to him that Brian Boyd posed no threat to the rangers as he stood barefoot in the sand as he spoke with them.
"The way they just stormed at him it was like they thought he was some kind of threat. It was just way too much an abuse of power. If the kid had taken a swing at them it would've been different, but he just stuck out his hand to grab the door handle of his truck," said Lee Mize.
What he witnessed disturbed him so much that Lee Mize almost intervened on Brian Boyd's behalf, but his wife convinced him not to do so considering his age. At his wife's urging Lee Mize left a note on Brian Boyd's pickup with the couple's phone number written on it so they could be contacted about what they had seen.
"When I saw this I could visualize that it had been my own son. I'm 69 years old and if not I would have been combative. It was just sickening what I saw. It was uncalled for. I hate to see police do that because there are some good cops out there. Sometimes some of them think they're the judge, jury and executioner all rolled up into one. When they have you handcuffed you're pretty much at their mercy," said Lee Mize.
If the situation had differed and Brian Boyd had done something wrong to deserve such treatment, then things would be different, added Lee Mize.
"I wouldn't have left a note if I would have seen the kid being smart or something like that. It was uncalled for. ... I had a hard time turning my back on something like that. We don't have to put up with that kind of stuff. People are out here to have fun. ... He (Brian Boyd) didn't look like a troublemaker. ... He looked like a clean-cut kid," said Lee Mize.
According to family, Brian Boyd remains in a wheelchair, cannot walk more than a few steps before experiencing debilating back pain and has no feeling in his right leg below the knee. He has been unable to attend his aviation science classes at Palomar College in San Marcos and it is unknown when he will be able to resume his studies.
Doctors are taking a wait-and-see approach, but they have indicated Brian Boyd will most likely have a lifetime of back problems.
Tom Boyd said he is especially disheartened because his son's career plans are in jeopardy because of his injuries. His son was planning on becoming a naval aviator like his father but his future is now uncertain.
"His whole future is in jeopardy because of these guys," said Tom Boyd.
The Boyds said they plan to file a complaint with their congressman, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Escondido, and ask him to launch a congressional investigation into the matter. Cunningham flew in the Navy with Tom Boyd and was one of his "Top Gun" instructors. Tom Boyd describes him as being a "mentor" to his son.
A spokeswoman with Cunningham's office said the Boyd family's complaint has not yet been received. The spokeswoman said Cunningham would like to help them and make this case a priority.
Tom Boyd said his biggest worry is that the investigation of the incident will be whitewashed by federal law enforcement officials. His attorneys are looking into whether the incident occurred on state land, thus allowing the Imperial County Sheriff's Office to perform its own investigation.
An ICSO spokesman said the investigation into the incident is being handled by the FBI office in El Centro.
Bob Sellers, the supervisory resident agent at the FBI office in El Centro, said a complaint against the BLM rangers has been received by his office from the Boyd family's attorneys.
"We have received a complaint concerning the incident. We don't know any of the specifics involved yet. ... We'll interview the involved parties to determine the viability of these allegations like we do in every case," said Sellers.
The Boyds said ultimately they would like to see the rangers involved in the incident face criminal charges. They are also planning on filing a civil lawsuit against the BLM and the rangers involved in the incident.
Officials with the BLM office in El Centro were unavailable for comment.
Tony Staed, the BLM's deputy state director for external affairs, said information on the incident has not yet made its way to the BLM's state headquarters in Sacramento. Staed said there are a variety of disciplinary actions that could be taken against the rangers if the allegations against them are determined to be true by the investigation.
The Boyds have asked that anyone who might have witnessed the incident to call the legal firm representing them, Singleton & Associates in San Diego, at (619) 239-3225.

[NastyOne]

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[victorfb]

holy crap. i know the boyds. ive camped with them in glamis a few times. brian is not a thug type kid at all. they are a very tight family and do everything together. i am so sorry to hear about this. Tom and bobby must be going crazy. and poor brian. damn this really sucks. i know first hand what a spinal cord injury is like and and its not good. fortunatly though he is allready up, thats awsome. theres great hope for a full recovery. its a long road for brian now but im praying he does well and will have a full recovery.

[unleashed]

I'll be out there on Vendors row. Look for the Unleashed booth. This weekend and Tday through Sunday of next week. Say you're from ***boat and I'll give you a beenie.
Deano
Unleashedclothing
Unleashed (http://Unleashedclothing.com) :devil:

[hot_diggity_dog]

Originally posted by unleashed
I'll be out there on Vendors row. Look for the Unleashed booth. This weekend and Tday through Sunday of next week. Say you're from ***boat and I'll give you a beenie.
Deano
Unleashedclothing
Unleashed (http://Unleashedclothing.com) :devil:
I'm from Hot Boat!
Deano, Roger, Rod, Sam and the boyz will be out on Wed, 11/26, I think they hang at wash 11
I think I may come on Friday night or Sat.
Hot ( Party like a rock star) Diggity Dog:cool:

[Havasu47]

Havasu47,
See other post in hot spots west. What kind of toys you got? [/B][/QUOTE]
Three quads, two dirt bikes. Sold our buggy a while ago, thinking about another one though.
Your car looks nice.

[Her454]

I grew up in Glamis and there have been many threads about the
crap that occurs in Glamis now. Its not the same and it gets worse every year. Last time I was there I had a problem (actually was at Buttercup past Gordons this time) paying with the machines and my credit card...they were extremely rude and wouldnt get off their ass to help and see what was wrong...gave me a number to call for the machine repair or something...AND THEN, wouldnt let me in because I DIDNT HAVE TICKET! They were complete assholes, the LADY Ranger being the biggest bitch of all. :mad:

[Havasu47]

Originally posted by Her454
I grew up in Glamis and there have been many threads about the
crap that occurs in Glamis now. Its not the same and it gets worse every year. Last time I was there I had a problem (actually was at Buttercup past Gordons this time) paying with the machines and my credit card...they were extremely rude and wouldnt get off their ass to help and see what was wrong...gave me a number to call for the machine repair or something...AND THEN, wouldnt let me in because I DIDNT HAVE TICKET! They were complete assholes, the LADY Ranger being the biggest bitch of all. :mad:
It's definately not the same but we love it and try to stay away from the riff raff. Nothing better than watching the sun go down while BBQing with a Mai Tai in your hand:D
Some of the BLM and Rangers can be real assholes, but we also have had some good ones help when someone was injured. Too bad the bad ones ruin it for everyone else.
I also read the article Nastyone posted. Makes me sick for that young guy. It could have been any one of our kids. I hope he recovers fully.

[Her454]

Well, I'll be at Pismo..........not quite as bad...yet. :) Everyone be safe.

[bohica]

I stay away from olds at night and the drags. It's surpising how empty the dunes are around 3:00. Everyone is at the drags, so we're out ripping up the big bowls.
With comp. being closed, olds is gonna get outta hand a night. Be prepared for the riot police if your gonna hang their at night. And don't forget to pick up your trash. On Sunday after Halloween, olds looked like a dump, almost made me wanna cry.:mad:

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

We'll be out at Salton Sea area doin' the Jeep thing. Too crowded at Glamis for us.

[Havasu47]

Originally posted by bohica
I stay away from olds at night and the drags. It's surpising how empty the dunes are around 3:00. Everyone is at the drags, so we're out ripping up the big bowls.
With comp. being closed, olds is gonna get outta hand a night. Be prepared for the riot police if your gonna hang their at night. And don't forget to pick up your trash. On Sunday after Halloween, olds looked like a dump, almost made me wanna cry.:mad:
I am sorry to hear that olds looked like that:frown:
These idiots that don't care about throwing their trash on the ground should be punished to the full extent of the law. Old's used to be a fun night ride because only true dunners could find it at night (from Gecko). Now with the closures it is like a highway through the dunes that leads right there.
The Sierra Club :yuk: will certainly use issues like this to attempt to close the dunes totally. Those assholes that leave their trash on the ground are too stupid to realize that they should be on their best behavior or there will be more taken from us.
Got that off my chest:D

[Bense468]

I was just out there last weekend and we duned to olds at night. There was a decent amount of people there. Watch out on the road going in there with the big rollers on Thanksgiving weekend. It would be safer to dune in. I might be out there not too sure yet. Might go the weekend after instead.