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Jbb
11-20-2003, 08:29 AM
The Shocking Truth About Drug Prices
Excerpted from the web site located at www.stopFDA.com operated by Life Extension Foundation
WHAT DRUGS REALLY COST
Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active ingredient in prescription medications?
Some people think it must cost a lot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a search of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients found in drugs approved by the FDA.
As we have revealed in past issues of Life Extension, a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United States contain active ingredients made in other countries.
In our independent investigation of how much profit drug companies really make, we obtained the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America. The chart below speaks for itself.
Retail Cost Increase Cost of of Above DRUG 100 TABS Ingredients Cost
Celebrex 100 mg $130.27 $0.60 21,712%
Claritin 10 mg $215.17 $0.71 30,306%
Keflex 250 mg $157.39 $1.88 8,372%
Lipitor 20 mg $272.37 $5.80 4,696%
Norvasc 10 mg $188.29 $0.14 134,493%
Paxil 20 mg $220.27 $7.60 2,898%
Prevacid 30 mg $44.77 $1.01 34,136%
Prilosec 20 mg $360.97 $0.52 69,417%
Prozac 20 mg $247.47 $0.11 224,973%
Tenormin 50 mg $104.47 $0.13 80,362%
Vasotec 10 mg $102.37 $0.20 51,185%
Xanax 1mg $136.79 $0.024 569,958%
Zestril 20 mg $89.89 $3.20 2,809%
Zithromax 600mg $1,482.19 $18.78 7,892%
Zocor 40mg $350.27 $8.63 4,059%
Zoloft 50mg $206.87 $1.75 11,821%
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Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought everyone I knew should know about this.
Please read the following and pass it on.
It pays to shop around. This helps to solve the mystery as to why they can afford to put a Walgreens on every corner..................
On Monday night, Steve Wilson, an investigative reporter for channel 7 News in Detroit, did a story on generic drug price gouging by pharmacies. He found in his investigation, that some of these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more. Yes, that's not a typo..... three thousand percent!
So often, we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves. For example, if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills. The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, they would only cost $80, making you think you are "saving"$20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him $10!
At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr.
Wilson whether or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to this practice, and he said that Costco consistently charged little over their cost for the generic drugs.
I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get its online price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with the online prices.
I was appalled. Just to give you one example from my own experience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, which helps prevent nausea in chemo patients. I used the generic equivalent, which cost $54.99 for 60 pills at CVS. I checked the price at Costco, and I could have bought 100 pills for $19.89. For 145 of my pain pills, I paid $72.57. I could have got 150 at Costco for $28.08.I would like to mention, that although Costco is a "membership" type store, you do NOT have to be a member to buy prescriptions there, as it is a federally regulated substance. You just tell them at the door that you wish to use the pharmacy, and they will let you in.

GlastronGuy
11-20-2003, 10:39 AM
I wonder if those numbers would change if you factored in the overhead like:
research
advertising
rent/building payments
electricity
water
employees
etc...
For them to compare the cost of active ingredient to the cost of the pill is faulty logic.
But I agree with the premise. Prescription drugs cost too much.

Tom Brown
11-20-2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by JETBOAT BRIAN
Prozac 20 mg $247.47 $0.11 224,973%
This proves that what depressed people need is a good ****ing.

rrrr
11-20-2003, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Tom Brown
This proves that what depressed people need is a good ****ing.
Tom, you're a sick ****er, but a damn funny sick ****er.
LMFAO! :D :D

Essex502
11-20-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by GlastronGuy
I wonder if those numbers would change if you factored in the overhead like:
research
advertising
rent/building payments
electricity
water
employees
etc...
For them to compare the cost of active ingredient to the cost of the pill is faulty logic.
But I agree with the premise. Prescription drugs cost too much.
I completely concur...to look at the cost of an apple's ingredients...water, fertilizer and say that an apple on a grocer's shelf is overpriced! Doesn't take in cost of production labor, packaging, etc.
Of course there's no conflict of interest with the LFE selling its own products is there?

spectratoad
11-20-2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Essex502
I completely concur...to look at the cost of an apple's ingredients...water, fertilizer and say that an apple on a grocer's shelf is overpriced! Doesn't take in cost of production labor, packaging, etc.
Of course there's no conflict of interest with the LFE selling its own products is there?
I guess all of overhead stuff must be cheaper in other countries too because I was wondering why there are organized blue hair bus trips to go to Canada and get meds.
If it was a buck or two cheaper that argument might hold water but I have purchased stuff in Mexico also for pennies capmared to the states. The pharmaceutical companies are screwing the Americans to the wall.

ratso
11-20-2003, 01:50 PM
I noticed Viagra wasn't on the list???:D

Essex502
11-20-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by spectratoad
I guess all of overhead stuff must be cheaper in other countries too because I was wondering why there are organized blue hair bus trips to go to Canada and get meds.
If it was a buck or two cheaper that argument might hold water but I have purchased stuff in Mexico also for pennies capmared to the states. The pharmaceutical companies are screwing the Americans to the wall.
Overhead and labor is cheaper in countries other that the U.S. Workers are paid virtually by the bowl of rice in Asian countries. Here, with unionized labor and high taxes plus exobitant insurance costs, the overheads are much, much higher.
The reason I think that Canadian prices for prescriptions is lower is due to price controls and government medical subsidies. The drug lobby in the U.S. won't allow price controls.

hboldno7
11-20-2003, 03:29 PM
oh, those kind of drugs:cool:

sorry dog
11-20-2003, 06:16 PM
yeah I'm tired of my...uh...pharmacist screwing me on my Vicodan.
and I don't see much research going there...

mickeyfinn
11-20-2003, 06:38 PM
Not saying I totally agree with the extreme amount of profit drug companies make here but there are reasons for the disparity in prices in other countries.
Research and development costs have to be recovered or they will not be able to develop new drugs.
Clinical trials which prove these drugs work cost big money.
Then you have all of the other overheads for packing, shipping marketing etc.
The prices are reduced in other countries mainly due to the fact that if the drug companies tried to get the same money else where then foreign companies would be reverse engineering the drug and manufacturing the product for much less money with much less quality control.
I believe the decision made with regard to US citizens going over the border or buying via mail order was the only choice we had if we want to maintain:
1. The ability of the FDA to establish and maintain quality standards.
2. The drug companies financial ability to develop new drugs in the future.
This decision will enable the drug companies to continue to recoup their costs and make a profit and the fact that the drug is sold closer to cost in other countries provides less incentive for others to manufacture and distribute counterfeit products. We may not like the result but it is the system that has enabled the development of all of the major drugs that have come to market to be of high quality with very few drugs having been brought to market only to find out the cure was worse than the disease. Kinda like the way our government is run. We may can think of better ways, we may not like the way the system works but it is the best system out there today.
Let the flames begin!!

MRS FLYIN VEE
11-20-2003, 07:01 PM
they are very expensive and it really sucks for those that need it and cant afford it... but if you want free drugs get your wives some new additions and take some of the vicadin that she doesn't use.. sorry had to live up to my name some time tonight.. i just can't resist.. :D :D

spectratoad
11-20-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Essex502
Overhead and labor is cheaper in countries other that the U.S. Workers are paid virtually by the bowl of rice in Asian countries. Here, with unionized labor and high taxes plus exobitant insurance costs, the overheads are much, much higher.
The reason I think that Canadian prices for prescriptions is lower is due to price controls and government medical subsidies. The drug lobby in the U.S. won't allow price controls.
This is true for the labor but I believe alot or most of the drugs, at least in Canada from what I read, are shipped there from the US. And that has to be true and factual because that is what the media says.:D :D
Seriously though, I think that the markup that drug companies put on their products is a big leap from actual cost and normal profit margins.

Essex502
11-21-2003, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by spectratoad
This is true for the labor but I believe alot or most of the drugs, at least in Canada from what I read, are shipped there from the US. And that has to be true and factual because that is what the media says.:D :D
Seriously though, I think that the markup that drug companies put on their products is a big leap from actual cost and normal profit margins.
Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine? Wouldn't the government take a stand on drug prices since the govenment is paying for most of the drug's retail cost?
Come on Canadians speak up and clear this point up!

Terrible Buddhist
11-21-2003, 07:45 AM
look we are a free market economy, don't like what the drugs cost, don't buy em...can't live with out them? Well then they aren't THAT expensive are they?
ever wonder what the mark up on a hot dog is?

Trailer Park Casanova
11-21-2003, 07:57 AM
If you or someone you love ever get cancer and undergo radiotherapy, you'll get introduced to the drug Epogen.
It took 10 profitless years, and a risk of over 100 million dollars to bring Epogen to market.
If there were no profit potential in this investment/risk, their would be no Epogen, and your chances of surviving would be much less than it is now, and you'd be a lot sicker during your last weeks of life.
Drugs are cheaper in Canada because of astronomical taxes and government support from these taxes.
In other words they may not charge you in the wash,, but you pay dearly for the dry.
Ain't nothin free.

Jungle Boy
11-21-2003, 10:05 AM
TPC has most of it right. We are taxed hard here, but still have to pay for our drugs unless you are insured. Bluecross or other insurance companies pay, but the cost of insurance isn't as high as in the USA, I think.
On an other drug note. Have you seen the price of a good bag of hydro weed latey? It's gone crazy, I'll tell ya. But I guess you need to pay for all the R&D costs of the guys that have the huge grow operations in their basements and rented houses.

sorry dog
11-21-2003, 03:28 PM
I think they should give away Ludes with any pharmacy order over $100. Then we could all feel happy about getting ****ed.

HOSS
11-22-2003, 01:46 PM
Glad my wife is a Pharmacist.

Dr. Eagle
11-22-2003, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
Glad my wife is a Pharmacist.
Lucky man, Hoss!
:D

Kilrtoy
11-22-2003, 02:33 PM
Glad my wife is a Pharmacist.
tell her to get some stuff for that stuff on your pecker