What type bottom ?????

[vdrivenman]

NO not that type !!
this is a 77 sanger i purchased.
owned a true flat(sanger) & a (hondo) runner, but what style or type bottom is this design??

[BGMAN203]

I might be wrong but that looks like a circle runnerbottom. Definately a Sanger. Ask Brodie, he seems to be up on all the sanger stuff:D

[Kindsvater Flat]

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[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by BGMAN203
I might be wrong but that looks like a circle runnerbottom. Definately a Sanger. Ask Brodie, he seems to be up on all the sanger stuff:D
I would agree with the BeeGeeMan!:D :cool:

[BGMAN203]

After looking at that shot of the transom again, it looks to me like the plate bar is shifted a little to the left. It might be the angle of the shot though. Not that it really matters, it just looks like the turnbuckles are tilting to the left a little, espically the ones in the center.

[Sangerboy]

Just by looking at the transom, you cannot differentiate between the circle runner and the drag runner. Measured from the transom to the tip of the bow the drag runner is 18'6" the circle runner is 18'3". An easier way to tell is if there is any v in the hull at the turn fin it is a circle runner if the runner stays flat until it melds into the front of the hull it is a drag runner. Acceptance and I have circle runners Chachi has a drag runner. (Haven't heard much from Camp Acceptance lately must be a lot of boats sinking this winter or maybe a case of extreme marital bliss..........) Hope this helps:D

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by Sangerboy
Just by looking at the transom, you cannot differentiate between the circle runner and the drag runner...
I hope I don't come off sounding like a know-it-all here, cause I'm definately not, but... every circle runner I've seen, has the same narrow riding pad, including Acceptance and Dr. Sangerboys boats.
Chachi's boat has the wider center section (closer to a hondo or cole).
So whats the deal??
Maybe we should check with the Mr. ex-Sanger Boats employee.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :D

[Sangerboy]

Originally posted by V-DRIVE VIDEO
I hope I don't come off sounding like a know-it-all here, cause I'm definately not, but... every circle runner I've seen, has the same narrow riding pad, including Acceptance and Dr. Sangerboys boats.
Chachi's boat has the wider center section (closer to a hondo or cole).
So whats the deal??
Maybe we should check with the Mr. ex-Sanger Boats employee.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :D
Good idea Jerry, if Chachi's boat is at the shop Mr. ex-Sanger Boats employee can take a tape measure to the runners and compare since my boat is there at the moment also. I think the runners may be closer in width than you think. I have seen some 18'6" models with wider 4 turnbuckle pads but I was told that this was work done after they left the mold. Somebody should know though as always there's more rumor and stories than truth out there:D

[Fiat48]

I thought Billy B or somebody said that circle boats had the rudder placed in the middle and drag boats had them offset to the left. Thought I read that somewhere.

[Sangerboy]

Originally posted by Fiat48
I thought Billy B or somebody said that circle boats had the rudder placed in the middle and drag boats had them offset to the left. Thought I read that somewhere.
Could be but maybe the other way around since my rudder is offset enough to remove the propshaft while the rudder is still in place:cool:

[vdrivenman]

1st of all Thanks for the responses.
i took the information provided and went out to the barn and drug out the tape. 18' 3" from tip of bow to transom. i then got under the boat and yes the skeg or turn fin is located in the V of the hull.
the v runs deeply to the back of the hull and the pad is short. so with this information i will classify the hull as a cirlce runner.
any special problems or quirks about this style ? any idea on the weight class ?
power is a 468bbc, 11-1 c/r, t/r w 2 660 cs, 125 nos,casale w whirlaway & 15% gears, two blade steel unk deminsions.
seats are out being recovered !

[Sangerboy]

Yeah, I think we could safely call that a Circle Runner. As far as quirks go there are many, unfortunately they are not the same with each boat i.e. even though Acceptance's boat and mine had similar driveline and underwater gear setups, his had too much tail lift while mine had too much bow lift ( could have something to do with the fact that he had twice the power I did:rolleyes: ) You just have to put it in the water and see how it behaves and make your adjustments from there. Use a lot of plate at first and gradually build up speed - if all goes well raise the plate a little and do it again Stay safe. For comparison mine would run 104 mph @ 7200 rpm with 15's and an 11 1/4 X 16 2-blade, the engine dynoed @ 680 hp. As far as weight goes look at your hull ID # on the transom it should say SAN then a L,M,or H (Light, Medium or Heavy) Mine is a medium layup and I think weighs about 600 lbs ( Need to ask Billy, he's been horsin the hull around on a dolly recently) Have fun and be careful. PM me if you start chasing the setup I can save you a lot of time and frustration that I went through.

[BILLY.B]

Originally posted by Fiat48
I thought Billy B or somebody said that circle boats had the rudder placed in the middle and drag boats had them offset to the left. Thought I read that somewhere. You know I don't think Sanger offset there rudders from the drag bottom to the circle bottom. I'll have to check my brothers Sanger which is a drag bottom and compare it to Sangerboy's bottom to see if there is any rudder difference as far as location goes. Biesemeyers are in the center which does make it a pain to change the prop shaft.

[vdrivenman]

SB & Billy B,
the rudder is offset on this one. i did check the hin # and is says sanm. also looking at the turn fin it is a double W type fin as the other's i had in the past were a deeper ,but narrow fin.
this boat has been ran in the rr class and will take a set. i've had two flats a sanger true flat 19'6" long & weighed a ton and then a hondo tdeck runner.
i'll just have to do as you said, bring it along slowly. i have no idea on hp , but with 15%'s it should carry the nose and set !
i hope !!!!!
never sprayed one either, but that will come MUCH later down the road !
again thanks for the advice !