Holley Dominator or B.G.King Demon ??

[Washed Ashore]

I need opinions on what is the best way to go,the guy that is building my motor uses a guy that is a holley man,but wants big$$$ for a pair,i've had holley carbs on all my motors,I can get B.G's right from B.G. already tricked out,Opinions please, :confused:

[Maxey]

I run a whipple 3300 on a 502 BBC with a 1190 King Demon. "Troublefree". It was
the carb reccomended by Dustin @ Whipplechargers
Maxey :D

[HP350SC]

I bought the 1090 King Demon for a 500hp 3.3 Whipple as well, haven't fired it yet though so can't tell you how it works. Pacific Power Boats is rewoking it for my application. IMO they look a lot nicer for $200 difference.

[HP350SC]

By the way Washed ashore, what motor size etc.?

[Washed Ashore]

HP350,I'm not getting into details,but were expecting 1400hp on pump gas,17-1800 on 110,i can get two B.G.s for $800 less than the worked over Holley's,I want to trust my engine builder,but $800 difference is a lot!!This is the motor we are building to kick Rocket mans ASSSSSS!!:D

[HEAVYBOAT]

Originally posted by Washed Ashore
HP350,I'm not getting into details,but were expecting 1400hp on pump gas,17-1800 on 110,i can get two B.G.s for $800 less than the worked over Holley's,I want to trust my engine builder,but $800 difference is a lot!!This is the motor we are building to kick Rocket mans ASSSSSS!!:D
1400 hp on pump gas ???
This motor reaks of a 800 ci moutain motor motor with a intercooled quad rotor! Either that or he means 1 - 400hp mill on pump gas. :D

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by HEAVYBOAT
1400 hp on pump gas ???
This motor reaks of a 800 ci moutain motor motor with a intercooled quad rotor! Either that or he means 1 - 400hp mill on pump gas. :D
Ladies and gents, tha new mod is in tha house.

[BADBLOWN572]

Look into Garry Williams dominators. They are a sweet pair of worked dominators and cost less than the BG stuff. I think that BG builds awesome stuff, but a lot of what you pay for is the name. I have had my Garry Williams dominators and have never had a problem with one at all.

[78Eliminator]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Ladies and gents, tha new mod is in tha house.
Yeah dude, I heard they make a chip you can plug in for 500 extra hp..... ;)

[HP350SC]

Originally posted by Washed Ashore
HP350,I'm not getting into details,but were expecting 1400hp on pump gas,17-1800 on 110,i can get two B.G.s for $800 less than the worked over Holley's,I want to trust my engine builder,but $800 difference is a lot!!This is the motor we are building to kick Rocket mans ASSSSSS!!:D
Good Luck...Better pack a lunch

[HEAVYBOAT]

Originally posted by Washed Ashore
HP350,I'm not getting into details,but were expecting 1400hp on pump gas,17-1800 on 110,i can get two B.G.s for $800 less than the worked over Holley's,I want to trust my engine builder,but $800 difference is a lot!!This is the motor we are building to kick Rocket mans ASSSSSS!!:D
What King demon did you price out? I think Demon themselves make an 1195 cfm Rs unit for the big motors. But you would end up probably "working them over" anyways if your going to make 1600 hp so there goes your theory on being cheaper then the worked over holley. Actually what exact holley are you referring too? I have some custom built 1320 cfm holleys from Chuck Nuytten http://www.chucknuytten.com/carbs.htm and I would sum them up in two words.. "simply awesome" My idle quality’s are perfect and it recovers effortlessly after a big burn out.. I bet my sister or maybe even INFOMANIC could drive the thing. ;) They ...Blueprint the carbs,do Maximum venturi shaping and polishing, Booster work,Internal circuitry modifications and Calibrated for gasoline or alky.
My good buddy and local competitor Ryan uses a Prosystems 1V dominator http://www.pro-system.com/ on his 632 big duke motor. We just went cruzin around the city for a couple hours in October and that carb also performed/drove excellent. His Blue Chevelle on his web site under winners gallery http://www.pro-system.com/racersrides.html I cant remember what the cfm was, but I think over 1300 cfm. Both these companys in my experiance built some real snout carbs and I wouldnt hesitate to spend the extra cash again that they charge for working them over.
IMO,I dont think this is the place you want to be trying to save money. If possible go all out on the carbs, you wont regret it.

[Washed Ashore]

It sounds like I wont say anything to my builder,just pay the bill when it's done.As far as packing a lunch or real numbers,the dyno doesn't lie.The guy building the motor has won championchips with this motor,both gas and alcohol,so I think the numbers will be close.It will always have the WTF factor,as I have never seen anyone use amotor like this in a pleasure boat;)

[HEAVYBOAT]

Gotcha, so this post wasnt really about carbs. ;)

[Infomaniac]

Pro Systems are my first choice. Maybe because even I can drive them LOL.
I have dealt with Pat James for a number of years. I give him all of the engine details and the carbs arrive dialed in perfectly.
This engine is going in a stern drive boat? I would guess 705 CID for 1,400 HP on pump gas. Assuming reasonable RPM's.
An engine turning RPM's to the moon can be a bit smaller for the same HP.

[Washed Ashore]

yes this was about carbs,when I was told $1600x2 I thought it was extreme,My cost on a 1250 is $900ish, i'm not a carb specialist,so i thought it seemed high when I could get the B.G. for $1200

[HEAVYBOAT]

Originally posted by Infomaniac
Pro Systems are my first choice. Maybe because even I can drive them LOL.
I have dealt with Pat James for a number of years. I give him all of the engine details and the carbs arrive dialed in perfectly.
This engine is going in a stern drive boat? I would guess 705 CID for 1,400 HP on pump gas. Assuming reasonable RPM's.
An engine turning RPM's to the moon can be a bit smaller for the same HP.
Ya Patrick treated Ryan very well. I remember a few yrs ago his carb at first wasn’t quite right.. so Patrick shipped him a loaner Dom with some “ tweaks “ on it all the way up here to Canada. His support and service he got was second to none. Another friend of mine also uses one of the prosystems 1v doms and he just bolted it on like you just said as well. These cheby guys I mention.. also spray a ton of goof juice with these prosystems carbs and get bang on tunes. I guess you cant blame em much when they got street headed banger Fords like mine around the track :D
Heres their nos set ups..
If you're using a Dominator on a nitrous application, you already know the result of tight nitrous converters and large throttle blades or the incredible loss of signal as you unleash those nitrous solenoids. So we design our fuel curve program to really shine when faced with low launch rpms/signal and gobs of nitrous injection. Forget about detonation off the line with this series and prepare yourself for an engine that suddenly loves nitrous and starts begging for more. This series speaks for itself but to quote Tony Christian... "It's a world record holding design from the leaders in nitrous carburetion."
The new NITROUS PRO-IV Dominators include these features:
HP main body
Available in cfm ranges from 920-1600
Adjustable air bleeds
CNC billet, custom exit angles, stepped boosters
Electronically wet-flow calibrated
Balanced drag float (12.5 grams)
Screw-in jet extensions
Clear sight plugs
Stainless plate screws
Custom sized Pro-Stock needle and seats
Custom nitrous curve
Live-engine tested
Techline access
Wet-flow dyno sheet for easy jet selection
Priced as low as: $990.00 gasoline / $2200.00 for the 1600cfm model
I dont see Prosystems listing the regular blower carbs on the site but Im sure they they will do them.. Maybe the market is to small from all guys going Fi,blow through, and nos.

[Infomaniac]

Originally posted by Washed Ashore
yes this was about carbs,when I was told $1600x2 I thought it was extreme,My cost on a 1250 is $900ish, i'm not a carb specialist,so i thought it seemed high when I could get the B.G. for $1200
I can fix you up with a pair of Pro Systems for the same deal as the BG's. Here is a pic.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/504/211Fuel_Lines-med.jpg

[Strip Poker 388]

Everybodys dyno will produce different #s. Depends if the calibrate it offton.Ck the corection factor?
Gary Williams does a good job on carbs.He supplys carbs to a lot of the big name engine builders.
Barry Grant is in the marketing buisness of selling carbs.I have had some good luck on some of there carbs .Use to be a Barry Grant dealer.