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HighRoller
01-30-2004, 11:02 AM
WTF is up with all the Atkins crap? I nearly fell over when I saw the new Carl's Jr commercial that shows the 6-dollar burger wrapped in lettuce. Does anyone think that wrapping a hamburger with 62 grams of fat in lettuce makes it "healthy"? And by taking away the bun it's all of the sudden "low carb". WAKE UP! I know I'll get flamed by Atkins lovers but oh well. Everyone says they want to lose 30lbs but then what? You just gain it back when the diet's over....

little rowe boat
01-30-2004, 11:07 AM
I've never tried one ,but they have been doing that at in & out for years,upon request.

MsDrmr
01-30-2004, 11:14 AM
high roller
here's the deal....carbs turn into sugar, there are more carbs in bread and alcohol than anything. by eliminating the carbs your body does not need to burn the sugar, but instead burns the fat. The fat intake does not really matter as you body can burn that quicker than sugar. I eat nothing but protein,including cheese, beef and other meats and have lost over 15lbs in two weeks.
So, we can still have the hamburger, cheese and the lettuce is only 2g of carbs instead of 80g for the bun. (I am only allowed 20g of carbs per day, typically I keep it under 13)
And thats the story

fourspeednup
01-30-2004, 11:16 AM
We as men aren't supposed to understand these things, kinda like feminine hygene:yuk:

boatnam2
01-30-2004, 11:52 AM
sounds crazy but a couple of guys i work with have lost 100#'s on the atkins.with no exercise no less.i was actually thinking about going on it monday.

MsDrmr
01-30-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by boatnam2
sounds crazy but a couple of guys i work with have lost 100#'s on the atkins.with no exercise no less.i was actually thinking about going on it monday.
I have loved it, more energy, less mood swings, and more physical. I eat wonderful food and don't feel hungry. If you only have a few lbs to loose, the process is quick. I have quite a bit of weight to loose but it seems to be happening faster than I thougt. The first two weeks are the most difficult. But this is not a diet that you feel hungrier after you had a meal then before (if you know what I mean)

hboldno7
01-30-2004, 12:02 PM
Ive lost 27 pounds in three months, 17 of those in the first 2 weeks. I am not completly on the diet anymore but do mind my carb intake. I am still losing like a pound a week

topless
01-30-2004, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by HighRoller
WAKE UP! I know I'll get flamed by Atkins lovers but oh well. Everyone says they want to lose 30lbs but then what? You just gain it back when the diet's over.... [/B] The deal with Atkins is you that they have phases so you do start eating more carbs but you never really go back to your old style of eating or you will gain it back.

OGShocker
01-30-2004, 12:07 PM
I lost 125lbs of dead weight in 1989....
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That diet was the DIVORCE diet

BUSTI
01-30-2004, 12:39 PM
My son was a 6'1" 335 pound ex football player. When he got of collrgr he had to do something so he picked Atkins. He has been on Atkins only for 6 months and has lost 77 pounds. He just got a BowFlex and has changed his training from heavy free weights when he was a football player to a more circut training type cardio system and the pounds are melting off!

MsDrmr
01-30-2004, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by BUSTI
My son was a 6'1" 335 pound ex football player. When he got of collrgr he had to do something so he picked Atkins. He has been on Atkins only for 6 months and has lost 77 pounds. He just got a BowFlex and has changed his training from heavy free weights when he was a football player to a more circut training type cardio system and the pounds are melting off!
77lbs holy smoke, thats about what I need to loose (plus a couple) how was he able to loose so much? I am on atkins but it seems to be "slow and steady" will he share his secret. (I work out about 1/2 hr per day)

Waldo
01-30-2004, 01:22 PM
I know I might get scolded by some for this but Atkins, in my opinion, is just another fad diet. The majority of dieters gain their weight back in a short amount of time after they stop or pause the diet. I studied Kinesiology for my undergrad and learned many things about overall physical health. I'm not preaching here because I'll be the first to admit that I could lose 15 pounds but the information below is based from emperical research (not directly stated) that has been studied for decades.
This information is from the website "bodyandfintess.com"
"Sensible diet and exercise plans seem to be losing a popularity contest with fad diets. It seems that just about everyone has tried the weight loss plans outlined in books like "The Zone" and "Sugar Busters!" Warnings abound that these diets are unwise. But many people dismiss these cautions because they know someone who's dropped significant weight, quickly, while on a fad diet. Donald D. Hensrud, M.D., is a physician nutrition specialist at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. Dr. Hensrud helps people manage their weight and conducts research in weight management. He has some thoughts about what's wrong with fad diets, and offers sound advice on how to lose weight and maintain the loss.
To lose weight, you must burn more calories than you consume. "In other words, you eat less and move
more"
What makes weight control so difficult? Society is set up in a way that makes it easy to gain weight. We have very efficient transport systems, such as cars and elevators, and pastimes that promote inactivity, such as computers and TV. Also, high-calorie foods are widely available, and fatty foods taste good. To do something about it, you have to go against the grain. Applying the "eat-less-exercise-more" prescription is much more complicated than it seems. That's one of the reasons why there are so many treatments promoting easy weight loss. People want an easy fix. It's human nature.
Just The Facts - Eating too many calories, whether from carbohydrates, fats, ot proteins, leads to obesity, which can lead to increased insulin levels. Carbohydrates eaten in reasonable quantities don't cause increased insulin levels or obesity, as many of the curent fad diets claim
Fad diets such as The Zone and Sugar Busters! are very popular. What's wrong with them?
One problem is lack of research in most of the diet books out there. I'm also bothered by the way many of them make or imply promises about weight loss — that it's easy, that you can still eat all your favorite foods and lose weight. The promise of a quick fix is a problem, as is the misinterpretation of known biochemistry and physiology. Some of the
theories they promote don't hold water.
There's nothing magical about certain foods or combinations of foods. "A calorie is a calorie no matter how it is consumed"
Still, even some doctors go on these diets. Why? They see some weight loss, but despite what the books say, it's due to eating fewer calories and not anything magical about the diet. Take The Zone diet, which limits carbohydrates on the theory that they promote insulin production, which leads to weight gain. The recommended diet in the book has about 850 calories a day. Anyone who eats 850
calories is going to lose weight whether they're in "the zone" or not. Not every aspect of these diets is bad. For instance, Sugar Busters! recommends decreasing sugar intake. I can't argue with that because many high-sugar foods are high in
calories and low in nutrients. But it's only one aspect of a healthy diet. In general, with fad diets, the negatives outweigh
the positives.
Dietary guidelines recommend a diet of 15 percent to 20 percent protein, less than 25 percent fat and 50 percent to 55 percent carbohydrates
What are the worst aspects of fad dieting? There are two main reasons for losing weight, both of which are valid: to improve your health and for cosmetic reasons. You can lose weight on different diets, but the approach may not be healthy in the long run. Diets shouldn't go against what we know about improving long-term health. Many of these fad diets advise reducing carbohydrate intake, and they
include very few grains, fruits and vegetables. There's a tremendous amount of evidence that increasing grains, fruits and vegetables is good for health and for prevention of diseases like cancer. On fad diets, even if you lose weight, you
may not improve your long-term health. Often, our traditional recommendations for weight management seem old and kind of boring, but those recommendations lead to many other health benefits. A less serious problem is the lack of long-term results. Most people can't stick with these diets, and they end up back where they started. The vast majority go off the diet and gain their weight back.
Fad Diets Don't Work
What do you do for people who come to you frustrated by their inability to lose weight? I take a close look at what they're doing. Most people underestimate the number of calories they eat by about 20 percent — more if they're very overweight. On the other hand, they overestimate their physical activity. It's not intentional or devious, it's just that we're not good judges. I recommend an individualized approach. For instance, a person may have physical problems that prevent him or her from doing much activity, so we have to look more at diet. Others think they have to overdo vigorous exercise. Instead, I encourage them to look for ways to increase their daily activity, such as parking farther away when they go to the store. Another thing I talk to people about is how they go about losing weight. Rather than thinking, "I've got to go on a diet," I encourage them to approach it in a positive manner, looking at it as an opportunity to do something that can be enjoyable. I try to get them to focus on the process instead of the end result. People want to lose quickly, and they focus on the number on the scale. They need to focus on making lasting lifestyle changes. The pounds will come off as a result. Whatever changes people make, they need to be comfortable enough with them to make them permanent. If they feel restricted by something, they shouldn't do it. Support can play a key role. Group support provided by programs such as Weight Watchers and TOPS can help. The
key is changing people's attitude. Finally, changing food choices to include foods that not only lead to fewer calories but also are healthy and tasty is important. There's a tremendous amount of wonderful food that can be truly enjoyable. We
underestimate our ability for our tastes to change.
Proper Nutrition
Proper nutrition will not only make your body look good but also is needed to maintain healthy looking skin and hair. If you really want to maintain a healthy body with less body fat for the rest of your life, you have to learn to change your
eating habits and stop snacking on junk food."
Again, I'm just shedding some light on the subject so don't flame me too badly.
Healthy Eating<--------:D Something I need to do more often

HalletDave
01-30-2004, 01:27 PM
How many grams of carbohydrates in a standard application of Summers Eve? :eek:
I certainly would hate to give up eatin' beave. ;) :D

rivercrazy
01-30-2004, 01:34 PM
ROFLMFAO HD!:D :D :D
IMHO - The Atkins diet may be a short term solution to loosing weight. But stuffing sausage, eggs, and bacon down your trap every morning and eating all that cheese, beef, pork, lamb, etc everyday will eventually land you in the hospital. Either with a major heart attack if not caught early or with a bypass or angio if caught. And too much protein is really bad for your internal organs like your liver/kidneys.
Its not as easy to loose weight and you cannot have unlimited amounts of bad food but the low fat diet is much heathier and much easier to make a life long diet. The problem is its very hard to stay with it.
Anytime someone says eat as much food as you want and its bad food, it cannot be all good.
Bottom line is balance is more important than extremes

PHX ATC
01-30-2004, 01:43 PM
Atkins doesn't teach people how to eat properly. Just how to eat mostly protein, which is okay, but your body does need some carbs for energy.
Hey, it didn't help Dr. Atkins when he slipped on the old ice patch in a driveway now, did it?:rolleyes:

mirvin
01-30-2004, 01:49 PM
I like the way all you turds are spoutin shit about something you know nothing about. Read the book. Stick to the plan. You'll understand. It's not a "diet" and once you've gotten controll of your eating you do go back to eating carbs / fruit/ veggies and all that. You just learn how much your body needs and adjust accordingly.
It does seem like a trendy craze right now but I've been on it for 15 months and it works. I was never overwieght. Just always carried an extra 10 to 25 lbs and really was never able controlled my eating/ drinking etc.
Atkins has improved my life in so many ways I won't even go into it.
Mirvin
;)

betty boop
01-30-2004, 01:56 PM
Good info Waldo - I am also one of those that tried this diet - just about ended me in the hospital....way, way to much protein and not enough of the other good stuff!!!
I am also one who has battled the "bulge". As a teenager, I was anorexic (to the point of hospitalization). I am extremist when it comes to weight - more like obsessive...I know I could or "should" drop 10 pounds, but I absolutely refuse to do another fad diet....this is what I have found to work...
Eat fruit shakes for breakfast - just blend your 5 for the day with some water and voila!! yum yum and I found it took the sugar cravings away....I also eat only whole grains, make my own bread, eat lots of veggies for dinner, eat only whole wheat pastas, brown rice and NEVER EVER touch white anything!!!!
We also eat mostly organic because for me now, it's not only a matter of weight but a matter of health...the chemicals and shit they put into our food is awful...and for me this works...if I only excercised like i know i should i could drop that 10 pounds quick...but at -55 who the hell wants to go exercise!!! I've also found different ways to make unhealthy snacks healthy - so it is possible (coming from a total chocoholic)
This is just my 2 cents worth.....to much protein is so hard on the system...you need the fibre from all the other foods to clean out the colon to prevent disease from forming to....fruit shakes are the way to go for this!!!!

Waldo
01-30-2004, 02:12 PM
Mirvin, I've read both Atkins and Southbeach books because my inlaws are on them and I wanted to know more about them...I still consider them fad diets.
I'm not slamming anyone that has been successful or unsuccessful with them...just giving my opinion as this thread was designed. The more information someone has regarding their health....the better.
Sunbunny...I also eat a lot of whole wheat products. Some people don't realize to stay away from "refined" or "enriched" products as well.

HalletDave
01-30-2004, 02:17 PM
This has always worked for me.
Reduce your caloric intake and see what happens. ;)
Has anyone ever heard of burning more calories than what you consume? :rolleyes:
Physical exercise is paramount whether you are dieting or not.:)

Waldo
01-30-2004, 02:18 PM
Oh yeah Mirvin...I'm not a turd, I only play one on TV.
:wink:

mirvin
01-30-2004, 02:18 PM
No worries Waldo. I actually didn't see your post until after I posted. Atkins is very dangerous and I'm amazed at how many poeple jump into it without doing their homework.:rolleyes:
It's got alot of common sense in it. It's taught me how to stay away from refined sugar and refined "enriched bleached" flour. Sugar was my biggest issue. I was an addict!
Mirvin;)

Blown 472
01-30-2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by mirvin
No worries Waldo. I actually didn't see your post until after I posted. Atkins is very dangerous and I'm amazed at how many poeple jump into it without doing their homework.:rolleyes:
It's got alot of common sense in it. It's taught me how to stay away from refined sugar and refined "enriched bleached" flour. Sugar was my biggest issue. I was an addict!
Mirvin;)
The way I look at it millions of years of evolution eating what?? meat, then in the last 200 years we now have stuff that our bodies have not been used to so what does it do?? makes fat.

mirvin
01-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Blown 472
The way I look at it millions of years of evolution eating what?? meat, then in the last 200 years we now have stuff that our bodies have not been used to so what does it do?? makes fat.
That's exactly it Blown. all this processed and refined crap didn't come around until the early 1900's. Before that humans survived on fat and protien only. Minimal carbs if you were fortunate enought to have access to fruit and nuts and shit.
Mirvin;)

bigq
01-31-2004, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by mirvin
That's exactly it Blown. all this processed and refined crap didn't come around until the early 1900's. Before that humans survived on fat and protien only. Minimal carbs if you were fortunate enought to have access to fruit and nuts and shit.
Mirvin;)
hunters and gatherers is what they were called, before the big farm age . I would agree mirvin. I did not choose Atkins, which is hardly a fad from his perspective. I chose the protien diet which is a little less extreme than the Atkins. I did it because I was 29 and had hogh BP and Colesterol, which has been lowered. I am not a scientist,but i have read several books on the effects of carbs(sugar) and went from there. It is also not just what you eat, but the amount and how many times. There is an interesting study of the way eskimos eat as related to heart desiese.
On the flip side is funny the way all these food people are jumping on this bandwagon, kinda turns the whole thing into a joke.

Rod-64
01-31-2004, 09:29 AM
The above 2 posts are VERY true. One of the fittest persons alive said "If it's made or processed by man (food) it's not good for you.
His name?
Jack Lalaine.

sandblasted
01-31-2004, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by HalletDave
This has always worked for me.
Reduce your caloric intake and see what happens. ;)
Dave, does that mean you have to cut down the amount of Coors you drink? :D

bigq
01-31-2004, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by sandblasted
Dave, does that mean you have to cut down the amount of Coors you drink? :D
That's crazy talk, try cutting down on the solid foods first:D .

Krazy K
01-31-2004, 11:34 AM
Type 2 diabetes is also another reason to eat low carbs. I was just diagnosed in November. Doctor told me that if I can lose 15% of my body weight, I can probably stop the medication. I've got quite a bit to lose as I'm 5'8" and 315 lbs. and hung like a mule!:D :D :D Just kidding on that last one! I'm even thinking about hypnosis, anyone try that??