Who's all running Ford for power ?

[RaysonKid]

Besides me, 058, oldrigger, and dmontzstra ?
By choice or because it was in the boat.
Like in my case..
Whats the saying about old dog ,new tricks???

[CircleJerk]

Wise old racers know that 'Tricks' are for kids! Keep it simple stupid, that's my motto! or is that Kidd?:D

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

The UCLAHATER and I were raised with Ford power. In fact dads garage still contains a few treasures here and there.
If anyone is in need of F.E. marine equipment p.m. myself or the HATER.

[rrrr]

I have a Holman Moody 427 low riser in my Howard. It's all stock except for the cam and distributor, still standard bore. Me like FE! Go fast and make noise! :D :D
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/109stripe-med.jpg

[RaysonKid]

Very nice rrrr,
I new there was another Howard on the forum with a 427. Just couldnt remember who. Except I have the Howard with the "drinks bar" between the seats.
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/99/CB/28829849-ad1a-02000180-.jpg
http://a0.cpimg.com/image/9A/CB/28829850-7ef1-02000180-.jpg

[full throttle]

SPAM: I also have lots of FE stuff. Been sell'in lots on ebay. A couple of parts that are going next are; 427 low riser blower intake, low riser dual quad intake, adj. rocker assy's-low/med riser, new harland sharp rollers, complete 428SCJ, and lots more. Just in case anyones looking.
e-mail azfullthrottle@cs.com or ck azseller40 on ebay to see whats listed. Thx.

[Kindsvater Flat]

hmmmmm 427 blower intake thats cool!

[waterloged]

I am wanting to build a big inch Ford for a flat, I don't see have many of those around. :confused:

[RaysonKid]

Originally posted by full throttle
SPAM: I also have lots of FE stuff. Been sell'in lots on ebay. A couple of parts that are going next are; 427 low riser blower intake, low riser dual quad intake, adj. rocker assy's-low/med riser, new harland sharp rollers, complete 428SCJ, and lots more. Just in case anyones looking.
e-mail azfullthrottle@cs.com or ck azseller40 on ebay to see whats listed. Thx.
Did he say "Blower" manifold ??
Hell yeah. P/M me with some prices. Please.

[RLM62]

I have a 1979 Cole with a 557 Ford. I'd post a picture here but I'm not quite sure how to. Somebody did post one on wild v-drives page 13 I think.

[full throttle]

I will try to get some pics of FE stuff this week, that I want to get rid of. Also if anyone's interested, i've got a couple of predator carbs that we put on an FE dual quad intake in 1988. It was way too much carb for the eng. (basically stock interceptor) and they were cleaned up and put in the origional boxes w/manuals. they have been sitting since. Still have the reciepts from supershops. Series 6000, 930 cfm, polished. $250 EA., $442.99 in Jeg's catalog. Yeah more spam. Need to generate some green for an intercooler for my new Schiada motor. Thx.

[dmontzsta]

Love my Ford :) rrrr VERY NICE! Makes me want to go back nosti, but I am loving my headers too much. I had to add on a Dooley scoop cause I have always loved the look.
BTW: I was thinking of switching to Chevy, but decided the keep the Ford and ended up buying a second FE to build on the side. FORD POWER! :)

[RaysonKid]

Originally posted by RLM62
I have a 1979 Cole with a 557 Ford. I'd post a picture here but I'm not quite sure how to. Somebody did post one on wild v-drives page 13 I think.
Must be this one?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/24617-med.gif

[058]

Good call "Eagle Eye" You must have inspected that pic with a magnifying glass....:D

[waterloged]

RLM62, nice boat! That is what I want to build. What's the specs on that thing?:D

[pgf127rt]

500 ci all aluminum Ford Pro Gas engine, I ran Ford power by choice and did very well with it.http://venus.walagata.com/w/pgf127rt/53421067lQIufV_ph_1.jpeg

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by waterloged
RLM62, nice boat! That is what I want to build. What's the specs on that thing?:D
FYI, A 557 can be made with a factory cast iron BBF block. So can a 572, for that matter.
Nice to see some Ford Power here.
LO

[RaysonKid]

Help,
Beings I am new to this Ford stuff.
Whats the differance between Low riser, Medium riser and is there a High riser?
I see that mentioned a lot.
Was lead to believe mine is a 63 427 side oiler. But 058 has set me straight. The side oiler didnt come out till 1965.
I am listening Obeone.....

[Kindsvater Flat]

This is a low riser I believe. The one on a friends boat is a little taller but definately not a high riser.
http://www.saber.net/~atthefarm/folder/pics/galaxie1.jpg

[rrrr]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
Help,
Beings I am new to this Ford stuff.
Whats the differance between Low riser, Medium riser and is there a High riser?
I see that mentioned a lot.
Was lead to believe mine is a 63 427 side oiler. But 058 has set me straight. The side oiler didnt come out till 1965.
I am listening Obeone.....
Yeah, lots of side oilers out there. ;) :p
Mostly has to do with head design. The intake ports were made taller so the intake manifold ends up being pretty tall on the MR and HR.
There were several different heads made for the LR, the latest and greatest being the "J" heads. That's what I have. :D Take a look at the suffix on the "3090" PN around a head bolt pocket.
The HR has much bigger ports. I think the LR was 140/100 and the HR was 184/125. The combustion chamber stayed the same size, 73-76 cc. The exhaust valve was enlarged from 2.08 to 2.18.
The MR got the bigger exhaust valve and combustion chamber volume was increased to 88-91 cc. The intake port was changed a bit and as a result the intake manifold was a bit shorter, hence Medium Riser.
BTW, I ain't that smart. Just bought a couple of good FE books and surfed around a little. ;)
I Love having my FE. It has a good history and never fails to get comments. It also means I have something in common with pgf127rt other than the fact we both like to eat and tell stories. :D :D
Check out this FE forum, you'll learn a lot.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/74182

[voodooCanoe]

This is my friend boat that runs a 507ci Ford. Owned by Mark Williams. A.k.a "the Pussycat"
Its a 65 Stevens, Runs mid 10's at 98 mph! Not bad for a family
boat.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/57402_09_CDBA_4333_287_1_-med.jpg

[RLM62]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
Must be this one?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/24617-med.gif
That would be the one. How'd you do that? I can drive the boat better than this computer.

[RaysonKid]

RLM62,
I just went to the wild v-drive thread, Page 13 like you said.
Then I right clicked on the photo. Go to properties, click on that. Then go to the address(URL). Copy it.Came back over to this thread.
Did the thing. And paste the (URL). Then do one of these
Make sence? I forget all the time myself.
rrrr,
Thanks for the advice and the link. Yeah, I need to go out and buy a few books.
Want some nice weather. So I can go out and play..

[pgf127rt]

Originally posted by rrrr
Yeah, lots of side oilers out there. ;) :p
Mostly has to do with head design. The intake ports were made taller so the intake manifold ends up being pretty tall on the MR and HR.
There were several different heads made for the LR, the latest and greatest being the "J" heads. That's what I have. :D Take a look at the suffix on the "3090" PN around a head bolt pocket.
The HR has much bigger ports. I think the LR was 140/100 and the HR was 184/125. The combustion chamber stayed the same size, 73-76 cc. The exhaust valve was enlarged from 2.08 to 2.18.
The MR got the bigger exhaust valve and combustion chamber volume was increased to 88-91 cc. The intake port was changed a bit and as a result the intake manifold was a bit shorter, hence Medium Riser.
rrrr, you got that right, I still have a few stories left for the river, if y'all are going down this summer shoot me an email and Carol and I will bring the RV and a boat down to catch up on the latest. JD
BTW, I ain't that smart. Just bought a couple of good FE books and surfed around a little. ;)
I Love having my FE. It has a good history and never fails to get comments. It also means I have something in common with pgf127rt other than the fact we both like to eat and tell stories. :D :D
Check out this FE forum, you'll learn a lot.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/74182
rrr, If you and yours are going to the river this summer or spring shoot me an email and we will try to hook up with you. JD

[RLM62]

Originally posted by waterloged
RLM62, nice boat! That is what I want to build. What's the specs on that thing?:D
OEM 460 block (.080) 4.440 bore 4.5 stroke. Block required no machine work for stroke. It was fairly simple.

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by rrrr
Yeah, lots of side oilers out there. ;) :p
Mostly has to do with head design. The intake ports were made taller so the intake manifold ends up being pretty tall on the MR and HR.
There were several different heads made for the LR, the latest and greatest being the "J" heads. That's what I have. :D Take a look at the suffix on the "3090" PN around a head bolt pocket.
The HR has much bigger ports. I think the LR was 140/100 and the HR was 184/125. The combustion chamber stayed the same size, 73-76 cc. The exhaust valve was enlarged from 2.08 to 2.18.
The MR got the bigger exhaust valve and combustion chamber volume was increased to 88-91 cc. The intake port was changed a bit and as a result the intake manifold was a bit shorter, hence Medium Riser.
Ford also built a "Tunnel port" and the infamous SOHC "cammer" that came in a over 600 ponies stock.
I'll jump into some of dads hipo ford books from the 60's and dig up some more tech.:)

[RLM62]

RaysonKid, Thank you, I'll give it try.

[rrrr]

Originally posted by pgf127rt
rrr, If you and yours are going to the river this summer or spring shoot me an email and we will try to hook up with you. JD
Joe Don, me and Fonda saw the Lake Granbury booth at the boat show and we started talking about how much fun we had down there last fall.
I prolly should call now and get a reservation at the Indian Lodge for a weekend sometime in the spring and we can have a little noisemaking party with you and the rest of the gang.
:D

[LakesOnly]

The Ford FE series (390-428) engines seem to be mostly in a lot of older boats, like late sixties stuff.
I'd like to see some more 385 Series 429/460 engines in some newer v-drives.
LO

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by LakesOnly
I'd like to see some more 385 Series 429/460 engines in some newer v-drives.
LO
I've seen several:confused: .

[rrrr]

Originally posted by LakesOnly
The Ford FE series (390-428) engines seem to be mostly in a lot of older boats, like late sixties stuff.
I'd like to see some more 385 Series 429/460 engines in some newer v-drives.
LO
I know why that's true for me.
Old phucker, old boat. :D :D

[rrrr]

Originally posted by V-DRIVE VIDEO
Ford also built a "Tunnel port" and the infamous SOHC "cammer" that came in a over 600 ponies stock.
I'll jump into some of dads hipo ford books from the 60's and dig up some more tech.:)
Don't forget the Ford Indy motors from the 60's. Ford approached Louie Meyer, 3 time Indy 500 winner and co-owner of Meyer-Drake Engineering. Meyer-Drake had purchased Offenhauser after the war and was turning out race motors by the hundreds. Many years all 33 starters at Indy had Offy engines.
Meyer sold out to Drake and joined the Ford project. The first year (1963) Ford didn't engineer an all new motor so a modified 289 was used. The fateful decision was made to run the motor on gas instead of methanol. Jim Clark drove a 255 CI pushrod Ford powered Lotus to second behind Parnelli Jones in a front engined Watson/Offy roadster, and the rear engine revolution was launched.
In 1964, the methanol fueled 255 CI DOHC Indy motor made its debut. It powered the Lotus team cars of Jim Clark, Bobby Marshmann and Dan Gurney. Several other cars in the race were fitted with the year old gasoline powered pushrod motor. On the second lap of the Indy 500, Dave MacDonald's Sears/Mickey Thompson/Ford swerved into the inside wall, his 75 gallon gasoline tanks exploded and sent a huge plume of black smoke into the air. This caused more cars to crash. Eddie Sachs, driving the American Red Ball/Halibrand/Ford hit the Thompson and it too exploded. Both drivers burned to death. 5 other cars were damaged. The race was postponed for almost two hours. Gasoline was banned as a fuel shortly thereafter and rules regarding fuel tank size were implemented.
http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/64dis.jpg
In 1965 Ford engines powered 16 of the 33 starters. The Offys were able to keep up by running insane amounts of boost. The little 270 CI four banger based on a Harry Miller design from the 20's was stout enough to run 50 inches of boost over ambient. During qualifying a bit of nitromethane would somehow find its way into the tank and the venerable Offy would respond with power outputs of over 1000 HP. The little motor was competitive all through the seventies.
Ford scored 500 wins in '65, '66, and '67. The 1967 win was A. J. Foyt's third victory. Bobby Unser won with an Offy in '68, then Ford won three in a row. In 1971 Ford withdrew from racing.
As an interesting sidelight, two of the 255 CI DOHC engines found their way into a AA fuel dragster entered at the 1971 Winternationals by road racer Jim Busby. The car won the best engineeered trophy but failed to qualify.
http://www.nhra.com/50th/races/images/71wn02.jpg
The Indy motor program had produced many engines and parts. In 1972 Foyt purchased the entire lot from Ford. Foyt made hundreds of thousands of dollars by selling the "Foyt" DOHC engine to Indy teams in the ensuing years.
Foyt won his fourth 500 with the engine in 1977. The next year Ford introduced the Cosworth DFV. The end of the line had come. Outpaced by modern technology and handcuffed by a diminishing parts supply, the Foyt engine faded into the background.
Now, I want someone to tell the story about the "cammer", and Connie Kalitta's ability to regularly send the development motor into low Earth orbit via nitro propulsion. :D

[058]

Ahhhhh....the Cammer, A masterpiece in engineering. The engine was orig. developed for use in NASCAR but Bill France declared it illegal so Ford scrapped the Cammer project but not before about 312 engines were produced. The engine made 616 HP @ 7000 rpm with a single 4bbl and 657 HP with 2 x 4bbls, the actual maximum hp was never calculated as the dynos at Ford would not handle anything over 7K rpm and the engine would spin 8K+ They used some of the Cammers in T/F and aside from some bearing problems early on they turned out to be very competitive setting several Nat'l records. They were used by Connie Kalitta, Pete Robinson, Don Phrudomme, George Montgomery in AA/GS and in various Mustang, Fairlane, Falcon bodied drag cars. The biggest factor that killed the Cammer in drag racing was the long teardown and re-assembly time between rounds as you needed to re-time the cams each time the heads were removed. Somewhere in time NHRA outlawed any engine that didn't have the cam in the block or more than one cam.

[rrrr]

"Sneaky Pete" Robinson was killed at the '71 Winternats. Back in those days the fuelers were dangerous as hell. I think John Mulligan lost his life that same year.
Both those guys were my favorites, their loss really jolted this then 14 year old drag racing fan.

[RaysonKid]

So would this be considered "Over Kill" in a 55-57 T-bird??
:eek: :eek:
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/D9/61/29882073-2146-02000157-.jpg

[058]

Nothing is ever overkill....too much is just right:D

[rrrr]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
So would this be considered "Over Kill" in a 55-57 T-bird??
:eek: :eek:
I'd say so! All you gotta do is look at that mammoth motor.....and that little single circuit brake master cylinder.....
:D :D

[RaysonKid]

Originally posted by 058
Nothing is ever overkill....too much is just right:D
You could be a BAD influence..

[058]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
You could be a BAD influence.. Thats what I've always wanted to be.;)

[V-DRIVE VIDEO]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
So would this be considered "Over Kill" in a 55-57 T-bird??
:eek: :eek:
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/D9/61/29882073-2146-02000157-.jpg
I love this picture. Whats the rest of the car look like??
In 58, dad bought a 57 bird. In 63 it received a HiPo 390, in 64 a 427.
My dad pulled his Stevens to the river for years with that car spinning 4:56 gears on slicks.
It was sold to some guy up north about 3 years ago.
Any of you Washington guys seen a blue 427 Bird runnin around?:( I miss that car.:(

[RaysonKid]

I took that picture several years ago. At one of the GoodGuys carshows at the Puyallup fair grounds.
I 'm not sure if I have any of the whole car.
Seem to remember there was two of them.
Side by side, one yellow the other black.
Both with monster Ford motors.

[058]

Since I brought up NHRA in the above post I thought I would add that NHRA has banned the planned Top Fuel engine Ford was going to develop for the 2004 season. NHRA told Ford they would be wasting their time and money because they would never approve this engine for competition. I guess NHRA is becoming another NASCAR or IROC, nothing but cookie-cutter cars that are all identical. :yuk:

[Kindsvater Flat]

Originally posted by RLM62
That would be the one. How'd you do that? I can drive the boat better than this computer.
Is this Rick? If so how is Juniors conversion coming along?

[waterloged]

O58, What was ford going to do for the top fuel deal? I haven't heard of this yet.:confused:

[058]

Originally posted by waterloged
O58, What was ford going to do for the top fuel deal? I haven't heard of this yet.:confused: Ford was looking into developing the Boss engine for top fuel. They tinkered with them in the late 60s and very early 70s. The 2nd generation Boss heads have been refined and have a few different combustion chamber designs. Th T/F engine would of course use a full hemispherical combustion chamber as thats what works best with nitromethane. They aleady have the parts on the shelf for development including billet heads. Personally I think they would have an uphill battle considering the K-B/426 has 40 years of development in top fuel but it sure would make for some interesting racing in the fuel car ranks. Leave it to NHRA to not allow it, its no wonder Ford puts very little into dragracing, the deck is stacked against them.:mad:

[HotHallet]

Running a 460 in my old Hallett bubble deck. Had a 460 when purchased. Freshened up that old motor and ran it for two seasons. I am currently building a 501 c.i. BBF with a Weiand tunnel ram topped with two 600 Holley double pumpers. The motor has an Eagle crank and rods, SRP 9.6:1 pistons, Edelbrock aluminum heads, and a Lunati hydraulic flat tappet camshaft. An MSD ignition will spark things up. The block is .030 over. I have my old 460 for sale. It is a turn key reliable motor with a Torker manifold and Holley carb with Bassett scoop. Has good solid stock internals with an Isky 280 Mega cam. 1,000 obo Travis 310-344-2555.

[ssmike]

Originally posted by LakesOnly
I'd like to see some more 385 Series 429/460 engines in some newer v-drives.
LO
Originally posted by V-DRIVE VIDEO
I've seen several:confused: .
Me too. :D We hope to get out there again this summer with the little 'ol 429.
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/41429-med.jpg

[ssmike]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/41raysoncraft-med.jpg

[RLM62]

Originally posted by Kindsvater Flat
Is this Rick? If so how is Juniors conversion coming along?
This is Rich. Juniors boat is coming along kinda slow. Might be done by mid summer. How would a guy go about getting on one of your vids?

[rrrr]

Originally posted by HotHallet
1,000 obo Travis 310-344-2555.
Spammer!! :D :D
I like this thread. The BBC is like WalMart, everywhere you look. I enjoy having something a bit different, something that people look at and think "Hmmmmmm, this guy is either a lone wolf or an idiot..."
:D :D

[dmontzsta]

Originally posted by ssmike
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/41raysoncraft-med.jpg
What kind of boat set up is this? remember I dont know the differences, but to me it looks like a ski flatty?

[AzDon]

My 21'Lebel cruiser came with a 460 in it. I did a mild rebuild and it just runs! Very dependable, gobs of torque! I keep sayin I'm goin to convert to Chevy when it blows up! 5 years now, and no problems.... maybe I'll just stick with the 460!

[Hotcrusader76]

I'm switching from a BBC to a stroker BBF....oh yeah...more to follow on this one:D
...and I feel great doing it....

[RaysonKid]

Seems to me that the Big Fords might be gaining some populartity?
Sounds like the aftermarket is better then ever.

[Hotcrusader76]

it's just something about a cast crank and 900HP that keeps ya smileing:D:D:D:D:D

[058]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
Seems to me that the Big Fords might be gaining some populartity?
Sounds like the aftermarket is better then ever. Could be that or maybe the "Engine Masters" from PHR mag. Kaase's Ford won 1st place with 40+ Hp over the 2nd place engine....a BBC.

[waterloged]

Does anyone know about dyno-flo that builds strokers out of Henderson, NV ? It looks like they have great prices. I was thinking about useing them. They have stuff on Ebay and on racing junk. com.

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by waterloged
Does anyone know about dyno-flo that builds strokers out of Henderson, NV ? It looks like they have great prices. I was thinking about using them. They have stuff on Ebay and on racing junk. com.
Dyno-Flo's prices are indeed great for the BBF stroker rotating assemblies. I don't know who their supplier is, and I strongly suggest you personally inquire with them as to who it may be.
A reputable BBF stoker builder that I speak with on a personal level (he builds primarily 8000 rpm BBF truck-puller motors out in the mid-west) tells me that of all the Chinese-made cranks he has spent time balancing, the absolute worst is by far TMD. These rotating assemblies are sold on ebay, and the money you think you are saving at purchase will be more than eaten up at the machine shop as they rebalance and correct out-of-round rotating issues.
If you MUST use a chinese-made stroker rotating assembly, I'd recommend going with the SCAT components. Unlike Eagle and CAT, SCAT's cranks are finish-machined in Long Beach, California and NOT China. While Eagle is not bad either, I put them in second place by way of hear-say. CAT is a distant (and I mean distant) third place.
Finally, if I bought any of these assemblies new, I would absolutely perform (or pay to have performed) a thorough mechanical inspection of each component as though they have just come out of their final manufacturing stage.
Personally, if I were to build a 514 today, I'd use the factory BBF 460 crankshaft.
A highly recommended SCAT dealer that I know of is:
Brian Adams of AD Performance
Email: ScatStroker@hotmail.com
He can set you up with a stroker kit to your specs and the price is right. More importantly, you will not chance getting a blemished crank etc., as some independent machine shops offer after buying them cheap direct from the manufacturers.
LO

[Fiat48]

Lakes, how would you get 514" using the 460 crank?

[ssmike]

Originally posted by dmontzsta
What kind of boat set up is this? remember I dont know the differences, but to me it looks like a ski flatty?
Donald,
Thats a Rayson Craft 18 LP (low profile) Circle flat. :D :D
(pretty good call)
Oh yeah, its a wood decker

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by Fiat48
Lakes, how would you get 514" using the 460 crank?
Fiat,
The 460 crank has a 3.85" stroke and a 2.500" rod journal. Offset grind the throw down to 2.200", thereby increasing stroke to 4.15" Then just use the BBC rod. Bore .080" over.
460 Ford...............4.36 x 3.85
514 Stroker...........4.44 x 4.15
Stroker crank made from good old american iron, and NOT melted down coat hangers (okay, I threw that last part in....:D)
LO
p.s. 533 stroker has a 4.3" stroke and a 557 has a 4.5" stroke. All of these engines utilize a 4.44" bore.

[Fiat48]

I figured the offset grind deal but what block will accept a 4.440 bore size? Any 460 block?

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by Fiat48
I figured the offset grind deal but what block will accept a 4.440 bore size?
Not all people sonic check their 429/460 blocks when boring .080" over; few blocks fail. Hell, based on the sonic checking of several different block casting numbers and general consensus on the BBF forum, many blocks (pending a sonic check) can be bored to 4.50". Indeed, hard-bloc is almost always used when blocks are overbored this far, but low rod ratio and resulting rod side-thrust angle play as much a part for the need for hard-bloc as the amount of overbore....so 4.44"? Not a big deal in most every BBF block. (Perhaps the thick cylinder casting is one of the reasons the BBF is on the heavy side...:rolleyes: )
The 1968, 1969 & 1970 early castings (C8VE-A, C9VE-A and D0VE-A) repeatedly prove to be the best choices for the big 4.500" overbores. The D1VE-*** blocks from 1971-up also offer up good results from sonic checking, and 4.44" is still no big deal with these blocks. They were manufactured all the way to 1978. So yes, there are plenty of factory 460 blocks around to build big-bore stroker motors.:D
The block that remains the most questionable is the successor to the D1VE: the D9TE block. I can't preach gospel here, but I understand .030" over on a D9TE and the block is done. (This is exactly why Ford Racing's 514 Stroker uses a 4.3" stroker crank; because they can randomly grab any block they get their hands on--even if it's a D9TE-- and give it a .030" over and throw the crank in. Yes, we know this combo makes it a 521.)
There are still plenty of oem BBF cast iron blocks everywhere I look that can accomodate big stroker assemblies. And it's becoming clear that if and when the supplies eventually dry up, there will be plenty of aftermarket manufactures producing them, such as Eliminator (WOW, what a block).
LO
p.s. Fiat, I leave tomorrow to you-know-where! SHHHHH! Don't tell.:D

[Fiat48]

Hmmm. Was always told by local NHRA ford racer that .060 pushing it big time, .030 the norm. Will get block cast numbers from 460 deal I did for a local racer next chance I get. That block was an old 429 deal of the 70's. After this season he will want to go faster and we may do that deal.
Secret safe with me. Take pictures. :D

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by Fiat48
Hmmm. Was always told by local NHRA ford racer that .060 pushing it big time, .030 the norm. Will get block cast numbers from 460 deal I did for a local racer next chance I get. That block was an old 429 deal of the 70's. After this season he will want to go faster and we may do that deal.
Not trying to get into a pissing contest here (as far as the overbore capabilties) :) ; just a testament to the BBF power threshold: I know a drag racer that would run C9VE-A oem 2-Bolt block, C9VE-A oem cast iron heads and cast oem crank 4.125 stroke (and nitrided). I guess my point is that he is doing this with factory cast iron.
And a 4.44" bore. 86% nitro 7% overdriven. 7-seconds all day long, no teardown between passes. Musta been hard-bloc'd, considering the application.
As far as your local racer's engine: if it's an original passenger car 429, it's a 90% chance its an early block, 10% D1VE-AA. 95% chance of 4.44" bore capability.
LO
p.s. we've wandered off the subject of this thread; I'll be talking to you this weekend via phone anyway...telling you how things went.
:cool:

[058]

Originally posted by Fiat48
Hmmm. Was always told by local NHRA ford racer that .060 pushing it big time, .030 the norm. Will get block cast numbers from 460 deal I did for a local racer next chance I get. That block was an old 429 deal of the 70's. After this season he will want to go faster and we may do that deal.
Secret safe with me. Take pictures. :D Fiat, a sonic checked early block can go as much as 4.52 providing no core shift.

[dmontzsta]

Originally posted by ssmike
Donald,
Thats a Rayson Craft 18 LP (low profile) Circle flat. :D :D
(pretty good call)
Oh yeah, its a wood decker
It is nice, looks really good. Is it a similar setup to what I have?

[CrazyHippy]

My experiance w/ dyno-flo (formerly of Vegas) is that they are ASSHOLES. The company i work for does lots of SBC stuff, and dynoflo was litterally a stones throw away, so we walked over to see what they were like. They treated us like scum. Werent interested in building semi mild SBC's (4-500HP) with low torque at all, and NO interest in anything other than drag racing.:( I was rather unimpressed by thier attitudes.
On a positive note they did have a drag truck that sounded REALLY healthy.
BJH

[waterloged]

Isn't it, that you want the bore to be bigger than the stroke? All I ever see is a bigger stroke, strokers.

[waterloged]

O thanks Crazy Hippie I was just wanting to know about Dyno-flo before I sent them alot of money!

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by waterloged
Isn't it, that you want the bore to be bigger than the stroke? All I ever see is a bigger stroke, strokers.
Depends on the application/what you are building, I suppose.
Strokers are more common than big-bore motors because when it comes to making a huge displacement motor, increasing stroke will increase cubic inches far more than a bore increase of the same dimension.
In the case of the BBF (as far as your bore/stroke inquiry), even the 533 has a bigger bore than stroke (4.44"B x4.30"S) .
LO

[Hud]

I'll be by about 1:30 to see that bad boy!:D

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by waterloged
Isn't it, that you want the bore to be bigger than the stroke? All I ever see is a bigger stroke, strokers.
Bore bigger than stroke, unless you are racing top fuel.

[Freak]

With all the block talk I have to ask which BBF heads of choice would you run for a 557? C-460, ex14's or tfs keeping in mind that a supercharger manifold and marine TT headers will be used?

[miller19j]

Originally posted by ssmike
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/520/41raysoncraft-med.jpg Mike,
I think that I saw this boat at San Antonio last year? Is that possible?
Hell of a nice boat by the way! I love wooddecks!

[LakesOnly]

Originally posted by Freak
With all the block talk I have to ask which BBF heads of choice would you run for a 557? C-460, ex14's or tfs keeping in mind that a supercharger manifold and marine TT headers will be used?
Not enough info,
But I'd have to say that if you are going to build a 557 n/a, plan on a cylinder head with a very big inake port cross section.
LO

[ssmike]

Originally posted by miller19j
Mike,
I think that I saw this boat at San Antonio last year? Is that possible?
Hell of a nice boat by the way! I love wooddecks!
Miller,
Sorry, but thats not it! Although the much-maligned Jim Miller did our deck restoration.:D
(and he did a great job at a reasonable price)
We have not been to the San Antonio deal for about 3 years.
Thanks for the compliment. My dad is the original owner.....to me, this boat is priceless and will NEVER be sold.
ssmike

[stoker2001]

Originally posted by RLM62
That would be the one. How'd you do that? I can drive the boat better than this computer. woow!!557,no wonder you showed me the backsideof that beast,i was only spottin you 407 inches.i might have to put a power adder to my whacker this year ;) http://http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/523/55wheeliemirage-med.jpg

[stoker2001]

Originally posted by RaysonKid
Must be this one?
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/500/24617-med.gif this pic posting is apain