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21rayson
02-23-2004, 07:51 PM
I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING.
true acceleration
One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.
* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster supercharger.
* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
* At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.
* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After B= way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
* In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
* Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000.00 per second.
The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph. (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).
Putting all of this into perspective:
You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.
The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.
That folks, is acceleration

MikeF
02-23-2004, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by 21rayson
Putting all of this into perspective:
You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.
The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.
That folks, is acceleration
I find this a little too hard to believe.
Who wants to do the math?:o
Looks like they both would cross the finish line at the same time.

Hotcrusader76
02-23-2004, 11:37 PM
who's on first...what's on second?:D

INEEDAV
02-24-2004, 04:57 AM
200 mph x 5280 feet per mile / 3600 sec per hour = 293.33 fps
1320 feet (1/4 mile) / 293.33 fps = 4.500 sec for the vette.
4.500 vette time - 4.441 dragster time = .059 sec
21 Rayson's math is good, or at least mine is as bad.:D
Billy

Danhercules
02-24-2004, 08:04 AM
Yea, my Jetboat can do that!!! I got new headers!!!!

skeepwerkzaz
02-24-2004, 08:11 AM
I have TWO Velocity stacks......I'll take on Kalitta.:D
Clay

LakesOnly
02-24-2004, 09:13 AM
Oh man,I posted this just w a few months ago...without the Lingenfelter comparison...rest his soul.
LO

78Eliminator
02-24-2004, 12:11 PM
Here is a simpler version where x is the unknown....
200 .25
------x------
3600 x
Well, I'll be damned, this board software trims the empty spaces and messes up my algebra!!!!! HOW DARE THEM!!!!!!

Blown 472
02-24-2004, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by 78Eliminator
Here is a simpler version where x is the unknown....
200 .25
------x------
3600 x
Well, I'll be damned, this board software trims the empty spaces and messes up my algebra!!!!! HOW DARE THEM!!!!!!
A ratio?? the nerve.

CrdStang
02-25-2004, 11:49 PM
* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.
44 amps is a damn weak arc welder.
Watts would be a different story I should imagine, ignition systems run 30,000+ volts (thats normal wussy ignition systems, not top fuel stuff), where as a welder runs at around 30-40 volts..
Yes, this was a completely pointless post.

78Eliminator
02-26-2004, 09:56 AM
Actually, now that we're on the subject, I would like to know the difference between:
Amps, Watts, Volts and whatever else I am missing. What the hell does it all mean?

21rayson
02-26-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by 78Eliminator
Actually, now that we're on the subject, I would like to know the difference between:
Amps, Watts, Volts and whatever else I am missing. What the hell does it all mean? here you go.
a conversion from watts to volts or an amp to volt conversion. It is not really a conversion as such but a formula where any two values are needed to be known to enable the third to be calculated.
I remember the formula as WAV (wave; hi there!) - Watts = Amps x Volts
By dividing both sides of the formula by amps you get - Watts / Amps = Volts
... the amps / amps on the right hand side canceling each other out to leave volts.
and by dividing both sides by volts you get - Watts / Volts = Amps
... the volts / volts on the right hand side canceling each other out to leave amps

Hotcrusader76
02-26-2004, 12:35 PM
WATTS= power
AMPS= flow
VOLTS= volume

78Eliminator
02-26-2004, 12:43 PM
Ok, I think I get it. Thanks!!!!

Sleek-Jet
02-26-2004, 02:45 PM
Oh goody, ohm's law. :D
78, I use the "peir" system (a home-made pneumonic for ohm's law). It goes like this:
P
E
I
R
where:
P= Power or watts
E = EMF or volts
I = current or amps
R = resistance or ohms
Now, to do the calculations multiply up, divide down, and divide for the gap.
Ok, so to put this in practice, say you've got 50 volts through a 10 ohm resister. How much power is produced and how many amps does it take?? Arange the values in the peir:
P = ?
E = 50 volts
I = ?
R = 10 ohms
Now, to find the current required to do this divide for the gap (50 volts/10 ohms), so youd get 5 amps.
And how many watts? Just multiply up (50 volts * 5 amps), you would find that you would be doing 250 watts worth of work.