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HOSS
02-27-2004, 09:28 AM
Been having a rattling sound on take off and when first shifting into any gear. Sounds like a trani mount busted or loose but its ok. Exhaust rattle even but thats tight. Now all of a sudden today I can barely shift the thing. It never fully comes out of 3rd gear either. Chatter. Could this be the input shaft? Slave cylinder is fine and fluid level is ok. Can`t be clutch. Pulls like a mule of the line and through the entire power band.:confused:

HOSS
02-27-2004, 09:43 AM
Thought of that but I don`t see it rattling like this. The rattling has been going on for months under the driver`s floorboard. Nothing is loose and not one mount is broken/loose. It chatters in neutral. Still pulling! Maybe throw out bearing but why the noise in the floorboard? I`m thinkin` input shaft.

HOSS
02-27-2004, 09:53 AM
shifts. But getting worse way quick. Harder to shift. I have 66k on original equipment. I hope your right on the throw out bearing. Better than an input shaft. But when a throwout bearing starts to fail you hear chatter from the bearing at idle. With this its running fine at idle.

HOSS
02-27-2004, 10:04 AM
I thought of slave cylinder. This feels like synchronizers. If not mistake though they are not used on this model. Whatever it is transfer cases suck! I`m gettin` to old and lazy to be takin` down heavy shit like this. My wife better have a boy. A big one too!

Jungle Boy
02-27-2004, 10:18 AM
**** that shit Hoss

HOSS
02-27-2004, 10:40 AM
Yeah **** this shit! Transfer case carrying, long heavy ass mother ****er. Time to break out the torch!:mad:

HOSS
02-27-2004, 05:27 PM
WO! This is one hheeeeaaaaaavvvvyyy bitch. Took transfer case out and still can`t remove trani. What asshole would put 5 different sized head bolts in the bellhousing? And the top 2 are inverted torx!:mad:

HOSS
02-28-2004, 09:39 AM
Just orderred my CenterForce dual friction clutch. Now its safe to say, "WE BE GRABBIN`".:D

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 10:18 AM
Sooo what the heck was the diagnosis Dr. Hoss? Was it the T/O bearing, clutch, tranny??????

HOSS
02-28-2004, 11:41 AM
Don`t know for sure yet. Ain`t yanked it out totally. Still hanging on motor(supported). My guess is the throw out bearing since its made onto the pressure plate. Found that info from Summit. I hope thats it. Will know this afternoon.

Mandelon
02-28-2004, 11:59 AM
Too much Gumbo eating. Your fat ass is too heavy for it. Maybe you ran over some good ol' boys and their belt buckles are dragging along the pavement..????
:D :D

HOSS
02-28-2004, 12:05 PM
I`m losing weight. Tryin` for 190! No more gym, just running.
I am lazy. I`d rather sit and watch VH1 the 70`s than deal with this heavy piece of crap.:D

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
Don`t know for sure yet. Ain`t yanked it out totally. Still hanging on motor(supported). My guess is the throw out bearing since its made onto the pressure plate. Found that info from Summit. I hope thats it. Will know this afternoon.
The way you described it, I thought it sounded like the T/O bearing from the get go. Curious to see. I don't have that issue, I have an automatic... and a lot of the reason is for service issues like this one...;)

HOSS
02-28-2004, 01:06 PM
When a TO bearing goea out it makes noise while at idle in neutral. This didn`t. It got worse quick. Just like a slave cylinder. But thats fine. Now that I know its made onto the pressure plate, the noises I heard and felt through the floor board makes since. We`ll see in about 2 hrs.

HOSS
02-28-2004, 07:01 PM
Definately something internal. ****

Mandelon
02-28-2004, 07:13 PM
Ya better give it a hysterectomy. :(

HOSS
02-28-2004, 07:43 PM
Anyone know of the best aftermarket trani to go with? Bullet proof style. 99` Sahara.

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 07:43 PM
Sorry to hear that Hoss, transmissions suck... especially when they break! Probably back to the syncro theory?

HOSS
02-28-2004, 07:53 PM
I don`t see any synchros. Its after 3rd gear. You go back to neutral and spin the input shaft and then it gets tight, hear a thump and its loose. It has play then too. I`m thinking bearing/bushing. I just don`t see it being synchros. I better go to gearheads with this.

sorry dog
02-28-2004, 08:40 PM
Input shaft bearing?
Easiest way to fix the problem is to get a Landcruiser- it probably wouldn't have broken and the brand new factory replacement H55F is only $1800.
NV4500 is a great replacement and advance adapters should have the shit to make it work. It will be a bit more, but those are very tough. Might as well get a decent TC at the same time- like a NP205. After that - your only weak link will be the driveshaft and axles.

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by sorry dog
Input shaft bearing?
Easiest way to fix the problem is to get a Landcruiser- it probably wouldn't have broken and the brand new factory replacement H55F is only $1800.
NV4500 is a great replacement and advance adapters should have the shit to make it work. It will be a bit more, but those are very tough. Might as well get a decent TC at the same time- like a NP205. After that - your only weak link will be the driveshaft and axles.
Dude, I can't believe you forgot the DV5459...:confused:

HOSS
02-28-2004, 09:12 PM
When you refer to TC are you meaning torque converter? If so I don`t think a pilot bearing would have any relavence then. NP205? I believe I have an NP208 or 203 now. And I`ve heard they suck.

canuck1
02-28-2004, 09:16 PM
Hoss
your transfer case is the np231
The trans problem sounds like main shaft bushings
Do you have the AX15 or the NP 3550 trans?
As I posted on gear heads 4 hours and 14 beer to fix

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by canuck1
Hoss
4 hours and 14 beer to fix
That many beer cans??? Almost enough Aluminum there to cast a new transmission!

canuck1
02-28-2004, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
That many beer cans??? Almost enough Aluminum there to cast a new transmission!
That would be 86 american beers
You meen boat don't you?

Dr. Eagle
02-28-2004, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by canuck1
That would be 86 american beers
You meen boat don't you?
No, that'd be a couple more....:D

HOSS
02-28-2004, 09:49 PM
How do I know if its the AX15 or not?

HOSS
02-28-2004, 10:30 PM
f f f f uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck is right
4hrs my ass!:mad:
I may be jumpin` off the wagon with this job.

canuck1
02-28-2004, 10:42 PM
after 10 beers you kinda loose track of time
Its easier than it looks

HOSS
02-28-2004, 10:55 PM
Thanks for all the help and especially the info you sent me. Do you think the bearing is the problem?

canuck1
02-28-2004, 11:07 PM
yep
Tom Brown did it

sorry dog
02-29-2004, 10:19 AM
Hoss - buddy of mine had a YJ a year or two before they switched to TJ. It had an AX-15. He had a lot of problems with that one. I dunno if they switched later on.
The guys over at www.pirate4x4.com (http://www.pirate4x4.com) with be familiar with your ride. They occasionally get on flame fests over there so you oughta feel at home.
BTW - TC = transfer case

Outnumbered
02-29-2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by sorry dog
Input shaft bearing?
Easiest way to fix the problem is to get a Landcruiser- it probably wouldn't have broken and the brand new factory replacement H55F is only $1800.
NV4500 is a great replacement and advance adapters should have the shit to make it work. It will be a bit more, but those are very tough. Might as well get a decent TC at the same time- like a NP205. After that - your only weak link will be the driveshaft and axles.
Why make it so difficult putting Toyota parts in a Jeep??? If it is the t-case, Advanced Adapters has a bolt-in Atlas II with extreme low-range for about $2,300. Its the shiznit but its not cheap. All the extreme rock-buggies and rock Jeeps run this case. It can handle V-8 power and 37" tires no problem. But unless you are doing some serious wheeling its overkill. The T-case in your jeep is a NP231 and it is a good solid unit good for over 150k miles if not abused. They are so abundant you should be able to get a junk-yard t-case for $250-500 with low miles. Do not try to swap in a 205, its too big and heavy, has a very high low range, and it won't fit.
Hoss, I have a 97 Jeep and have several buddies with these things. I know a few with over 150k on the clock and no major drive-line issues. What kinda miles and what size tires are you running? Seems like an odd problem for such a new jeep. These TJs are pretty bullet proof. Mine has been great but it has very low miles.
You may want to check out the Jeeper boards. They are a great resource and you will get much more experienced Jeepers answering your questions.
http://www.advanceadapters.com/newidea.html
www.jeeptech.com
Off-Road.com (http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/)
Forums (http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?Cat=&C=4)
Parts, Trannys, T-cases (http://www.jeepsareus.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+)
More parts (http://www.quadratec.com/)
OL

HOSS
02-29-2004, 12:55 PM
Thanks,
`99 Jeep Sahara, 66k on traniOEM everything for that and runnin` 31`s. Spider gears greanaded 25k ago. Powertrax ratchet unit in the 35 now. 410`s.

Outnumbered
02-29-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
Thanks,
`99 Jeep Sahara, 66k on traniOEM everything for that and runnin` 31`s. Spider gears greanaded 25k ago. Powertrax ratchet unit in the 35 now. 410`s.
The 35 is not the best rear but the miles are low to loose it. I have the 44 with stock gears and run 32's behind the 4.0 with a few minor bolt-on motor mods and have run a few tough trails and never had a problem in 45k miles other than a seal leak fixed under warranty.
The factory track-loc limited slip was replaced under warranty beacause I thought it wasn't hooking up right. Turned out that's just the way they are. The service writer is cool at my dealer and didn't hesitate to get me a new one under my extended warranty.
One of those links I sent has trannys and t-cases for cheap.
You know, I just realized, your Jeep should be under the 7/70 power train. Put that thing back together and get it to the dealership.
OL

HOSS
02-29-2004, 05:34 PM
7/70? I hope so.

Outnumbered
02-29-2004, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
7/70? I hope so.
Check your manual.

Outnumbered
02-29-2004, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Old Lavey
Check your manual.
I guess they were not doing it in 1999:frown:
Sorry.
OL
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/jeep/wrangler/1999/se/features

Dr. Eagle
02-29-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Old Lavey
I guess they were not doing it in 1999:frown:
Sorry.
OL
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/jeep/wrangler/1999/se/features
I think they started the 7/70 in 2001. I have a 2000 and it doesn't have that warranty...:(

HOSS
02-29-2004, 08:02 PM
everybody tryin` to keep me and James Brown down.:confused:

Dr. Eagle
02-29-2004, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
everybody tryin` to keep me and James Brown down.:confused:
Me too, I don't have the 7/70 Warranty. :( Missed it by one friggin model year...
Dr Eagle singing the blues...:rolleyes:

Wicky
02-29-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by HOSS
WO! This is one hheeeeaaaaaavvvvyyy bitch. Took transfer case out and still can`t remove trani. What asshole would put 5 different sized head bolts in the bellhousing? And the top 2 are inverted torx!:mad:
87 AMC 4X4 Commanche w/4.0 & 5spd. They used the same bolt pattern with the inverted special torx on top. I was doing well until then.
Serious delay of game.:(

HOSS
02-29-2004, 08:42 PM
Engineers, they`r so smart.:mad:

sorry dog
03-01-2004, 08:00 AM
Why make it so difficult putting Toyota parts in a Jeep???
Exactly. Put the Toyota parts in a cruiser - don't worry about it again for another 200K.

HOSS
03-01-2004, 05:35 PM
Ok, got it torn apart now what?

HOSS
03-01-2004, 07:17 PM
Oh ****,,,shit fell out when I pulled out synchro rod.:eek!:
I`m stoppin`. I`m gettin` a book on this thing. I`m ****in` up. But at least I`m damn good at it.:frown:

Dr. Eagle
03-01-2004, 08:11 PM
Kinda like this:
Judge Smails: Well I'm no slouch myself...
Tye: Don't sell youself short Judge, You're a tremendous slouch.
???????;)
That sucks dude. Transmissions are too damn complex for little ol me to even attempt to screw with. You are a brave soul...

NorCal Gameshow
03-01-2004, 08:25 PM
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Why make it so difficult putting Toyota parts in a Jeep???
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i had a cherokee that had a 5 speed , if i remember right most of the parts were toyota..

HOSS
03-02-2004, 05:22 AM
Ok, slept on it. canuck1 has been helping me tremendously via PM`s on ***boat. I`ll get this damn thing.

canuck1
03-02-2004, 08:01 AM
Now take the grinder to it , if that don't work use the bigger hammer:D
I love that the kit price is 180 US and 180 CDN

HOSS
03-02-2004, 08:39 AM
I did one better than that. Orderred one out of Fla. 860.00 shipped. 12 month/unlimited mileage warranty. Completely rebuilt and dynoed. I`ve got to send core in though:frown:
Thanks for all the help canuck1. I was just looking at 4 days for kit to come in rebuild and put in. Thats if it worked after I f`d with it. Now I take the middle man out! ME! But thanks again bro! If you ever make it down here I got an ice ,,,,,,,,,,,cold,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,coke waiting for you.
Since being on the wagon I `ve pretty much torn a whole lotta shit apart and ain`t fixed none. Am I really saving money by not drinking?