outboards on an f29

[Bear 54]

I was just wondering what the numbers would be for 2 merc 300's on a dcb f29 and how reliable the motors are???? thanks

[Boatmaster]

Boat will run right at 100-102. Motors are very reliable and oil injected. Call if you have any questions 925-828-5775 Drew

[Skaterfast]

Man,you guys ought to be tired of hearing this from me.Generaly speaking a boat will go faster,seat more people,use less gas,be easier to maintain,last longer,lighter to tow,etc.If we do what?
Yes that's right.Put outboards on them.

[ZSARGO]

IN MY OPINION I WOULD SAY GO WITH TWO BIG BLOCKS. OUTBOARDS HAVE A HARD TIME UNDER A HEAVY LOAD, YOUR GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME WHEN YOU TRY AND PLAIN OUT WITH A BOAT LOAD OF PEOPLE. BIG BLOCKS ALSO HAVE ALOT MORE TORQUE. I HAD A 300X ON MY MACH22 AND I WASN'T REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IT. PAIN IN THE ASS TO PROP CORRECTLY. IT BROKE THE FIRST DAY I HAD IT OUT AND I KNOW THE PERSON THAT PURCHASED THE BOAT FROM ME HAS BROKEN THE LOWER UNIT. I WILL NEVER OWN A OUTBOARD BOAT AGAIN. I'M SURE OTHERS HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS AND LOVE THEM. MY TWO CENTS.

[Forkin' Crazy]

I'd stick with the outboards. Car motors are heavy and suck fuel like crazy. They will not live as long as outboards. They will not (unless you spend large quantities of money) live long and higher rpms and cruise settings. An outboard will live longer at high rpms for extended periods in stock form. You have to change the oil on car motors. They are a pain in the ass to work on. You have to spend a lot of money building horse power that it will take to get the slug on plane because on the extra weight and extra fuel and tanks.
Car motors belong in cars!
MY OPINION.:cool:

[Forkin' Crazy]

Skaterfast, I like your aviatar!!!:D

[ZSARGO]

Originally posted by Forkin' Crazy
I'd stick with the outboards. Car motors are heavy and suck fuel like crazy. They will not live as long as outboards. They will not (unless you spend large quantities of money) live long and higher rpms and cruise settings. An outboard will live longer at high rpms for extended periods in stock form. You have to change the oil on car motors. They are a pain in the ass to work on. You have to spend a lot of money building horse power that it will take to get the slug on plane because on the extra weight and extra fuel and tanks.
Car motors belong in cars!
MY OPINION.:cool:
WELL LET'S SEE. TAKE THE SANDBAR IN HAVASU ON A BUSY WEEKEND. WHAT DO YOU THING THE RATIO OF OUTBOARDS TO "CAR MOTORS" IS?? THE MANUFACTURES OF CUSTOM BOATS COULD PUT OUTBOARDS ON MORE BOATS AND SELL THEM CHEAPER. WHY DON'T THEY? I'VE HAD 4 BOATS IN MY LIFETIME. TWO OUTBOARDS, ONE BEING A 2002 300X, AND TWO I/O POWERED BOATS. I JUST PURCHASED ANOTHER I/O. TWO STROKES JUST DON'T HAVE THE TORQUE. EVEN MOTORCROSS BIKES ARE ALMOST ALL FOUR STROKES THESE DAYS.

[Tom Brown]

ISNT THE GEAR CASE ON THE 300X PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE BRAVO 1? I WONDER HOW OPEN MINDED YOU ARE ABOUT OUTBOARDS. A PAIR OF 300X ENGINES WILL HIT PRETTY HARD. I LIKE BIG BLOCKS TOO BUT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT.

[racer]

Remember the 4 strokes in moto cross are nearly twice the cc as a 2 stroke in the same class. Both engines have there place and we all have our preferences.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Originally posted by Tom Brown
I WONDER HOW OPEN MINDED YOU ARE
ARE YOU ASKING HIM IF HE IS OK WITH LEZBIANS? LOL!!!
LMAO!:D

[TOBTEK]

Originally posted by racer
Remember the 4 strokes in moto cross are nearly twice the cc as a 2 stroke in the same class. Both engines have there place and we all have our preferences.
AND the ONLY reason four stroke technology is being pushed by the manufactures is because of the "TREE-HUGGERS"! A 250cc four stroke MX bike WILL be spanked by the same displacment two stroke!!!! NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT...PERIOD.
Now, im not sure what the dealio was with your 02 300x less. BUT I have heard that the newer more up to date 03's like mine (hehehehehe :D :D ..just playin) will rev a little more and have a few upgrades.....JUST what ive heard. the only problem I have had was that the linkage for the choke came loose one time, and I fill as though thats my falt for not checking it before getting it wet. I for one am VERY impressed with our little stocker clamp-on boat. will do almost 90 with tons of stereo,gas, people, ect with the 26 modified bravo, or throw there butts out slap a 30 ET on it and do a tick over 90.....BUT that being said, I would like to have a 525merc in a new 26.....never happy I guess:rolleyes:

[HavasuDreamin']

Personally, I think the 29' is too big for the O/B's. I would run a pair of stock 496 Mag HO motors on that big of a boat. Now if you were talking 26' or less, I would run the twin 300x Merc's in a heartbeat.
Good Luck. :cool:

[Forkin' Crazy]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
Personally, I think the 29' is too big for the O/B's.
Surely not. If two isn't enought, then put three on it!;)

[HavasuDreamin']

And the swim step to get in and out of the boat with fits where? ;)

[sorry dog]

...and how are you gonna teak surf?

[Tom Brown]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
And the swim step to get in and out of the boat with fits where? ;)
On the anti-cavitation plates of the engines. :cool:

[HavasuDreamin']

Maybe bolt it to the side of the hull..... at the water line of course!:wink:

[Skaterfast]

So,the F29 with twin 496's against another F29 with twin 300's.
I'd say the twin 496's will be 4mph faster.Many problems though.The first thing is,it ought to be 14mph faster with over 200 more hp.Along with that 4mph you will burn 4 gallons more,seat 4 less people,and have $4k in motor repairs at the end of your 4th season.
I love debating this topic,it's so easy.

[HavasuDreamin']

Originally posted by Skaterfast
I'd say the twin 496's will be 4mph faster. The first thing is,it ought to be 14mph faster with over 200 more hp. Along with that 4mph you will burn 4 gallons more, seat 4 less people, and have $4k in motor repairs at the end of your 4th season.
I love debating this topic,it's so easy.
Your logic is flawed. Boatmaster claims the boat will run about 100-102 mph with twin 300X motors. The guys in cats n tunnels claim it will run 110 mph with twin 496 HO's. There is a difference of 8-10 mph if all parties are correct.
Yes, you will burn more fuel, but if you can afford a $200K boat, then a little more fuel won't hurt you.
Seat 4 less people? :confused: So in the outboard version do you put two bench seats across the back? :confused: Correct me if I am wrong, but the O/B version just leaves more leg room in the cockpit.
$4K worth of repairs at the end of your 4th season? Justification???? Where did that come from? What if the dude only puts 25 hours on the rig each year?
I do believe the IMHO, the 29' boat is better set up with I/O power. :rolleyes:

[Skaterfast]

I should have started my comments out with "generaly speaking".
Of course the motors will last longer if only 25 hours are burned per year.That only means the outboard will last longer with the same hours burned.
And ya why not put in more seating.Look at all the big 30 foot and over boats,it seems like the bigger the boat the smaller the cockpit.Again generaly speaking there is more room in the outboard version.
You're probably right on the 8 mph faster.But,I think it's still a shame to have over (250hp?) more and get only 8.
So yes there is more room.Yes there is more gas burned and yes there is more $ spent on motors.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
And the swim step to get in and out of the boat with fits where? ;)
And you need that for......... what?
Maybe for Tom to squat on and free some brown trout?
I think three 300s would be faster than two BBCs.

[Forkin' Crazy]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
$4K worth of repairs at the end of your 4th season? Justification???? Where did that come from? What if the dude only puts 25 hours on the rig each year?
If it were mine, it would have to be overhauled once a year.....:eek:

[HavasuDreamin']

Originally posted by Forkin' Crazy
And you need that for......... what?
So the hot honey's can cool off from the 110* heat and be able to get back in your ride. :D

[nybadboy]

i like the big blocks they just sound meaner

[Tom Brown]

Originally posted by Forkin' Crazy
Maybe for Tom to squat on and free some brown trout?
I've shit in the lake a few times. I always go for a swim after to make sure things are nice and clean. :cool:
It's nice to have a convenient way to get in and out of the boat. I step on the anti-cav plate of my engine but I'm definitely going to re-install my ladder this year before someone slips and hurts themself.

[Forkin' Crazy]

:eek: Huh?
http://airmasterstab.com/29-A.jpg

[Bear 54]

shit man that thing is bad ass.......whats the numbers

[Forkin' Crazy]

It belongs to one of Lake Trash's friends.
Here is a link to his post: http://www.havasubarney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2101

[HavasuDreamin']

Originally posted by Bear 54
shit man that thing is bad ass.......whats the numbers
And how does he get in and out of that thing in the water. :p

[TOBTEK]

Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
And how does he get in and out of that thing in the water. :p
IN STYLE!;)

[mbrown2]

Pretty trick boat....gotta be tough getting in and out of...

[HavasuDreamin']

I'd bolt a swim step right to the side. :eek:

[mbrown2]

Beautiful boat but based on the early numbers quoted, it does not seem like the additional 20K for the third engine is worth it.....If a 29 with Open Bow and twins can do 100; and you only get 110Mph out of this one with three, I don't think it was worth it for the trade off and headache of three....but its only money and the owner built the boat he wanted with it.:)

[CrazyHippy]

That 110 is with the motor's still in break in Mode, and very little set-up time. I'm sure there is alot more there.
BJH:cool:

[mbrown2]

Originally posted by CrazyHippy
That 110 is with the motor's still in break in Mode, and very little set-up time. I'm sure there is alot more there.
BJH:cool:
Maybe I missed it, but the thread over on HB said the ran 100 Miles or 98 on the GPS at 6200rpm.....I did not see where they ran 110 so I am assuming after break in and they spin to around 6800-6900 they will be around 110-112.....

[No Quarter]

That is one bad ass O/B !

[CrazyHippy]

my bad
bjh

[Screaming Pete]

What if you set up a 29 with the new 275hp merc's 4 stroke with more tourque, bigger wheels,. more top end and better acceleration

[mbrown2]

Once they can get 450HP out of those new Mercs, that may be upgrade time....otherwise I will probably get something smaller that will fit in our docks in Parker, but common sense never seems to win out in my boat decisions..:)