Do note vote for Kerry!!!!

[UtlGoa]

Here is why!!!!
Don't forget:
John Kerry says he is strong on defense, BUT
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor! for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.
He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N. operations by 800%!!!
Is THIS a President YOU want?
Voting history can be accessed through Senate records.

[Ducatista]

Terrorists around the world will be praying to their fu(king ass-wipe of a god that he gets elected!:rolleyes:

[fourspeednup]

Don't you hate it when you spell the topic wrong?;)

[beer hunter]

Very interesting :mad: I hope Bush puts stuff like this in his campaign commercials :D

[AZKC]

Hey folks whats up. Its going to be a great election. For anybody but BUSH:D :p
Can't wait for the good mudslingin to start;)

[Havasu Cig]

Look what Clinton did to our Military and he was considered a moderate.:rolleyes:

[MagicMtnDan]

Originally posted by AZKC
Its going to be a great election. For anybody but BUSH:D :p
Typical liberal/Democrat backwash - the only things you lefties can say is "I hate Bush" and the only thing you can debate about (because you have no facts to support your far left socialist viewpoints) is which hand you should use to jack with. :D

[Tinkerer]

AZ -- You don't really think that KERRY has a chance do you???
Funny thing is that the dems can make unsubstanciated claims about bush.
But the second the reps start to talk about KERRY's doings after NAM it is not fair.
The dems sound like a bunch of winey children.

[Schiada76]

Kerry got a medal for EXECUTING a wounded gook.
Oh my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D
The gook was hit with a .50, and wasn't long for this world anyway so executing him wasn't such a bad thing. Takes a lot balls to shoot a dying man if you ask me though, well worthy of a silver star!
If that "bastard" Bush did it, it would have been a war crime!:rolleyes:

[AZKC]

Originally posted by Tinkerboater
AZ -- You don't really think that KERRY has a chance do you???
Funny thing is that the dems can make unsubstanciated claims about bush.
But the second the reps start to talk about KERRY's doings after NAM it is not fair.
The dems sound like a bunch of winey children.
Yes I do and since Gore beat Bush in the first place, I'm sure some fairy dust will get sprinkled on this election too:p
Do you think We The People have a choice who wins :confused: Not a chance, money runs this country:yuk:

[AZKC]

Originally posted by BradP
Kerry got a medal for EXECUTING a wounded gook.
Oh my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D
The gook was hit with a .50, and wasn't long for this world anyway so executing him wasn't such a bad thing. Takes a lot balls to shoot a dying man if you ask me though, well worthy of a silver star!
If that "bastard" Bush did it, it would have been a war crime!:rolleyes:
Pretty sad to play that card. :( I don't know about Kerry but alot of my friends went thru hell over there:( And at least he went:rolleyes:

[Havasu Cig]

The Dem's like to bring up Bush' Military record, why not talk about Kerry???
To tell you the truth it is his voting record that scares me. I applaud him for the Military service but what matters now is what kind of President he will be.

[mirvin]

I think the real sad thing is, and this goes for EVERYONE, all this crap slinging is meaningless. THe issues are clear as day, but everbody's bent on the "my guy" trip and mudslinging is all we see or hear. Who gives a shit what Kerry did in Nam, or what Bush didn't do there? It's meaningless.
BUsh did do something when it mattered. And he did it on the single most important issue facing this country today. Period. THere's lots of real things to be hammering Bush on but no one's talking about them. (Immigration, etc.)
Kerry, well he's been doing stuff too. Check his Senate voting records.
It would be nice if we're gonna talk about this stuff that it at least be intelligent. Afterall, we're not reporters or the news media and we're not Hollywood Actors, so lets cut the propaganda and talk shop dammit!!
Mirvin;)

[Tinkerer]

AZ --
I hate to break your bubble but GORE DID NOT WIN
BUSH DID FAIR AND SQUARE

[AZKC]

Exactly, kinda like watching Skulls all over again ;)
I ain't got no bubble it was burst long ago:) When we killed off the Kennedy's:(

[Tinkerer]

I would vote for a Kennedy over KERRY.
At least the Kennedy's had BALLS.

[HOSS]

If that "bastard" Bush did it, it would have been a war crime!:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I`ve got news for you my friend. That is a warcrime. Under the Geneva Convention: 50 cal and above rounds may not be used directly on personnel but rather to destroy or dismantle equipment.
In other words: Make damn sure that the enemy soldier is wearing a canteen.

[Schiada76]

Originally posted by AZKC
Pretty sad to play that card. :( I don't know about Kerry but alot of my friends went thru hell over there:( And at least he went:rolleyes:
Yeah you're right it is sad, for a liberal, to play the truth card.
That's the fact of his medal "awarding" he abandoned the vessel under his command and EXECUTED a dying man.
Take it however you want that's what he did.
And yes HOSS dispatching a wounded ememy combatant is a war crime. Unless you are a liberal. Then it's heroic.:mad: :mad: Banging him with a .50 though is self preservation.
Ya gotta love lies to be liberal.

[Schiada76]

Originally posted by Tinkerboater
I would vote for a Kennedy over KERRY.
At least the Kennedy's had BALLS.
Exactly!!! Kennedy had the balls to drown the bitch he was trying to **** behind his wife's back That does take BALLS of a kind.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Liberals are all sick ****ing pieces of shit.:mad: :mad:

[Backtanner]

Just curious and not looking to throw gas on the fire but for all the guys on here that post from CA (and only a fraction of them have so far) about how pro Bush they are and how nobody has a snowballs chance in hell against him.......didn't Gore win CA in 2000?
Personally I probably would have voted for John Edwards had he stayed in. I think if he had mentioned the fact that he can talk to dead people during his campaign Keery would would be watching from the sidelines!:)

[MagicMtnDan]

From what I've seen around here, the HBF membership leans more to the right than the left. So while CA has gone and will most certainly go to the left in the election that doesn't stop me and others from the left coast to vote for a man who did what had to do on 9/11, President Bush.
I remember the days when politics and a position could be discussed and debated. Now it's just venomous hatred for the other side. Both parties suck. One of 'em has socialist tendencies and sucks a lot more than the other :cool:

[Backtanner]

Oh yeah, and forgetting the fact that Bush hasn't been trying to bang every intern while Americans abroad are being killed on a pretty regular basis, I find it hard to vote for a guy who got traffic tickets 30+ years ago. Now back to reality, traffic tickets.....is this the best dirt leftist Bush-haters can come up with?

[Schiada76]

[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.
Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It’s a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry.
By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt’s problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces.
Mr. Kerry now refers to those civilian deaths as “accidents of war.”And within four days of his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry applied to take advantage of a technicality which allowed him to request immediate transfer to a stateside post.

[framer1]

You can thank Clinton for the extreme views on the left and right. I don't remember such seperate views untill Bill came along. I think he really divided this country and I don't see it changing for a while (imho)

[OutCole'd]

Originally posted by framer1
You can thank Clinton for the extreme views on the left and right. I don't remember such seperate views untill Bill came along. I think he really divided this country and I don't see it changing for a while (imho)
I sure don't see Bush trying to mend the fence. After his slim win, I remember him saying he was going to try to bring the parties together.

[HOSS]

And he has. Its the Dems that won`t let it lay. I find it sick that Dems are all jumping on Bush for his commercials. They are tryin` like hell to make a stink when there isn`t one. This is a display of chicken shit. Gore lost. Thats it. And I think he is a fat ****in` pussy!:mad:

[framer1]

I'm not sure that possible. There's people on both sides that really hate each other and it's not going to change. I would of thought 9-11 would of brought us together but that was only temporary.

[OutCole'd]

Originally posted by framer1
I'm not sure that possible. There's people on both sides that really hate each other and it's not going to change. I would of thought 9-11 would of brought us together but that was only temporary.
Even though I lean towards a dem. I am abouut as far from Liberal as I could be! I have no hatred for Republicans even though, I do not appreciate being called a communist, anti American, liberal from someone who never met me, just because I do not belong to their party and share all their views.
I guess anyone who gets lumped into one large mass just because they share a few common beliefs would not appreciate it.

[SoCalOffshore]

Hey Brad P interesting info, where are you getting this info? I was talking to a friend of mine who is retired Colonel who flew wild weasel missions in Nam and said "usually when you have 3 purple hearts you walk with a limp." He and many other Vietnam Vets are against Kerry and questioned his "very short" military service and all his medals. Again, just look at his voting record regarding the military. God help us all if Kerry is elected. I hope you like high taxes. Remember he was Gov Dukakis' Lt. Governer.

[v-drive]

I fortunately got plucked from a line of incoming infantrymen and was lucky enough to serve my time in vietnam in the 1st infantry div. post office in saigon. a few of my friends would come into saigon on there way to r&r. A common story is that people would shoot themselves in order to get off time. I have no reason not to believe them and I had heard it from people in the 1st , 1st air cav, 11th armored cav. and know of a person in the 82nd airborne that tried it but could only bring himself to arrange it once. From what I remember you got 2 weeks off for recovery so if you allow for about a month in country for training he had 2 months where he was not in harms way. Hmmm, I am also a little suspicious of his record. :confused: v-drive

[gnarley]

Originally posted by Havasu Cig
Look what Clinton did to our Military and he was considered a moderate.:rolleyes:
Yeah but we weren't in a situation like we are now and employment was up and there were large surplus’s of money to and the gas prices were nowhere near what they are now.
I may not have liked Clinton much but he didn’t fu#k the country up as much as Bush has in his 3 years in office.
Originally posted by MagicMtnDan
From what I've seen around here, the HBF membership leans more to the right than the left. So while CA has gone and will most certainly go to the left
And I bet most HBF members tend to be in the 60% of center with the 20% fringes leaning towards the right and the other 20% to the left. I would even bet that most of the country is this way. Lots of have more in common than we think and it’s really a few issues that keep us divided.
Who would be better for the country? I think both SUCK. Bush is in the 20% on the right and Kerry is on the 20% of the left. It sure wound be great to find someone who is more in the middle!

[Schiada76]

Some stuff I get from ex and active military I know. There's also a web site called "Right Nation" that posts a lot of news articles. Plus general surfing.:D

[Tinkerer]

gnarley ---
(quote)
Yeah but we weren't in a situation like we are now and employment was up and there were large surplus’s of money to and the gas prices were nowhere near what they are now.
I may not have liked Clinton much but he didn’t fu#k the country up as much as Bush has in his 3 years in office.
Just remember that the economic and employment downturn started on KLINTONS WATCH.
BUSH inherited KLINTONS MESS.
OH - And there really wasn't any surplus.
It was a projected surplus - it would only come about IF the economy kept going at the pace that it was at during the begining of his second term.
Guess what - it didn't - and then BUSH got elected and had to clean up the oval office and the rest of it.
I am just DAMN glad that BUSH got LEGALLY elected because just imagine where we would be if GORE had gotten his hands on the big desk.

[AzDon]

Bush and Cheney are personal friends with Ken Lay. Because they did not win California, they allowed Enron to f*ck California and then didn't spend an hour and a half between them trying to get Californians their money back. Cheney conspired with the energy traders and then stood on "executive privilege" to keep transcripts of the meetings secret! Do you Californians like the f'king that Enron gave you? Do you like $2.299 gas? If you elect Bush, this is the energy policy you will be voting for your state, because Bush gave California to the energy traders immediately after the Supreme Court gave him the office!

[framer1]

AZDon, You don't think Gray Davis's stupidity had anything to do with CA getting screwed? I think Bush just let him sink along with the State. He probably figure we deserved it for voting a known crook into office:mad: Which we probably did:frown:

[Schiada76]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AzDon
[B]Bush and Cheney are personal friends with Ken Lay.
Ken Lay was Klintoons close personal friend and trashed his company while the pigfu*ker was still in office. Left the mess for the Bush administration to fix. Funny how liberals are always having someone else fix thier screwups.:mad: :mad:
Just like the the terrorist acts that filthy liberals ignored.

[burbanite]

From http://www.thehighroad.org
I ****in' hate politicians with a vengeance but this guy really sticks in my craw.
More for Kerry from a letter to the editor in the Washington Post...
To John Kerry,
My wife had rotator cuff surgery earlier this year, and the recovery is terribly painful.
Then, she developed a staph-epi infection, and they had to cut the same scar open and operate on her again.
Just thinking about the pain and anxiety of facing that painful surgery a second time in the same wound, makes me cringe.
That experience, however pales in comparison to what I am going through right now, in my heart.
The old hurts are surfacing and the feelings of betrayal by fellow citizens are breaking my heart again. I am being cut in the same scar.
How did we who served in Vietnam suddenly become cold-blooded killers, torturers, and rapists, of the ilk of the Nazi SS or the Taliban?
Most of us were American soldiers who grew up idolizing John Wayne, Roy Rogers, and all the other heroes. That was why I volunteered.
But, for political expediency, John Kerry has rewritten history, again.
After spending only four months in the country of Vietnam, John Kerry testified before Congress in 1971about incidents he supposedly witnessed with these exact words regarding the conduct of our troops:
“They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."
If Mr. Kerry, or any person, saw such things happening, that person would have the responsibility of doing something about it.
Yet, Mr. Kerry, who was armed, who had the authority of a military officer, and who had Military Police at his disposal, did nothing.
Further, as a military officer, it was his obligation to report such things, yet he didn't even file a report about any of it.
What's going on here?
Why did you, Mr. Kerry, not act?
Are you a coward or a liar?
I was a green beret officer who volunteered for duty in Vietnam and fought in the thick of it in 1968 and 1969 on a Special Forces A-team on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, just for starters. We were the elite. We saw the most action. Everybody in the world knows that. But we did not just kill people, we built a church, a school, treated illnesses, passed out soap, food, and clothing, and had fun and loving interaction with the indigenous people of Vietnam, just like our boys did in Normandy, Baghdad, Saigon, and everywhere American soldiers ever served. We all gave away our candy bars and rations to kids. Our hearts go out to oppressed people all over the globe.
My children and grandchildren could read your words, Mr. Kerry, and think those horrendous things about me.
You, Mr. Kerry, are a bold-faced, unprincipled liar, and a disgrace, and you have dishonored me and all my fellow Vietnam veterans.
Sure, there were a couple bad-apples, but I saw none, and I saw it all, and if I would have seen something like what you "said you witnessed", as an army officer, it was my obligation to stop it, or at the very least report it.
Why is there not a single record anywhere of you ever reporting any incidents like this or having the perpetrators arrested?
The answer is simple. You are a liar.
Your medals and mine are not a free pass for lifetime, Senator Kerry, to bypass character, integrity, and morality. I earn my green beret over and over daily in all aspects of my life.
Eight National Guard green berets, plus other National Guard soldiers, have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you totally dishonored their widows and families by saying that being in The National Guard service is like being a draft-dodger, conscientious objector, and deserter.
You did this, just so you can try to sabotage the patriotism of our President who proudly served as an Air National Guard jet pilot.
I have a son earning his green beret at Fort Bragg right now, and his wife serves honorably in the Air National Guard, just like President Bush did, and I am as proud of her as I am my son.
I volunteered for Vietnam and have no problem whatsoever an Air National Guard jet pilot being our Commander-In-Chief.
John Kerry, you personally derailed the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, HR2883, in 2001, after it had passed the House by a 411 to 1 vote.
411 to 1. That certainly sounds like the will of the people being expressed, yet you derailed the bill and buried it in committee until too late, and, as a result, thousands of pro-American Montagnard tribespeople in Vietnam died since then who could have been saved, by you.
Earlier, as Chair of the Senate Select Committee on MIA/POW Affairs, you personally quashed the efforts of any and all veterans to report sightings of living POW’s.
You have fought tooth and nail to push for the US to normalize relations with Vietnam for years.
Why, Mr. Kerry?
Simple.
Your first cousin, C. Stewart Forbes, CEO, of Colliers International, with your help, recently signed a contract with Hanoi, worth BILLIONS of dollars for Collier’s International to become the exclusive real estate representative for the country of Vietnam.
Money you need to serve your political needs.
When it served your political needs, you even committed the treasonous act of an officer in the US Military publicly calling the USA a war criminal for our help of the Vietnamese people, and you publicly stated that you were ashamed of your involvement in such a war, and ran around the country posing with Jane Fonda and condeming our country.
Now, you're shouting, "Hey, look at me, I got a Silver Star in Viet Nam - I'm a war hero."
Additional military records show that you were not in combat, you were commanding a "Swift Boat." on the river.
Operating orders for such a command prohibit you from grounding/beaching your craft unless under orders from a superior to do so to save our troops engaging in combat.
Reports state that you saw a wounded Viet Cong, shot by an M50, and unconscious, and you grounded/beached your craft.
You then proceeded to fatally shoot the unconscious man in the head (another violation), then reported it as a combat kill to get a medal (silver star) for yourself.
“Hanoi John,” now that it works for you, you beat your chest about your Vietnam service, but to me, you are a phony, opportunistic, lieing hypocrite.
You are one of those politicians that is like a fertilizer machine: all that comes out of you is horse manure, and you are spreading it everywhere.
Medals do not make a man. Morals do.
You have none, and, I sir, am ashamed that you served in the same military as I.
Don Bendell
Canon City, Colorado
Don Bendell served as an officer in four Special Forces Groups, is a best-selling author with over 1,500,000 books in print, a 1995 inductee into the International Karate Hall of Fame, and owns karate schools in southern Colorado.
__________________
Mark

[Schiada76]

None of that will make any difference to liberals, they keep voting for Teddy and he murdered someones daughter. Liberals love liars.:mad: :mad:
"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?" ~Senator Ted Kennedy - 1973

[058]

Originally posted by AzDon
Bush and Cheney are personal friends with Ken Lay. Because they did not win California, they allowed Enron to f*ck California and then didn't spend an hour and a half between them trying to get Californians their money back. Cheney conspired with the energy traders and then stood on "executive privilege" to keep transcripts of the meetings secret! Do you Californians like the f'king that Enron gave you? Do you like $2.299 gas? If you elect Bush, this is the energy policy you will be voting for your state, because Bush gave California to the energy traders immediately after the Supreme Court gave him the office! Don, Where do you come up with this shit? Enron ****ed us because Davis ****ed Enron by cancelling the long term energy contracts Enron held with Calif. By doing this almost bankruped Enron as Calif was over 90% of Enron's business, this was in 1999, long before Bush was legally elected BTW. Davis cancelled these long term contracts because he thought he could get cheaper prices on the spot market, wild price fluctuation is the norm on the spot market. Davis had plenty of time to repair the damage but he sat on his hands and did nothing. I'll also point out that Davis' negotiators were flunkys in their 20s who had no experence with energy price dealings, in short they got their asses handed to them by people much more experenced in the field they were dabbling in. If you don't believe me ask anyone who lives in San Diego who suffered thru excessive price spikes and brown-outs back in 1999-2000, this was the beginning of the Calif. energy crisis. And by the way, Klinton was also very good friends with Kenny-boy Lay as Enron gave just as much money [if not more] to the Democratic party as they did the Republican party. Please get your facts straight before pointing fingers as to where the blame should be put.

[QuickJet]

I read every post and found it odd that no one brought up Kerry's extreme enviormental views. If Kerry gets in we can all see our water recreational rights slowly be stripped away.
Remember, Republican politicians OWN boats where as Democrat ones see them as a waist of fuel and water. This was abundantly apparent and was outlined in Al Gore's book where he deamed the internal combustion engine the biggest threat to America.
Just something to remember come voting day :D