You love Bush!!

[AdrenelineOD]

I need to edit this because y`all gettin to serioue about Bush. This someone els wrote. I laughed but I think most of it`S B.S. JUST GO BOATIN ITS SPRING ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Begin forwarded message:
Take the time to read this, yes it is funny, but remember at the same time
its true.
And these are things that we should all be aware of.
George W. Bush
The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
LAW ENFORCEMENT:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976
for driving under the influence of alcohol.
I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving
record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went
AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer
any questions about my drug use.
By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to
avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C
average. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland,
Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't
find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt
shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a
sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing
friends in the oil industry(including Enron CEO Ken Lay),
I was elected governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and
oil companies, makingTexas
the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as
the most smog-ridden city
in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to
the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any
governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the governor of
Florida, and my father's appointments to the
Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over
500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter
office with a criminal record.
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing
cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted
the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual
deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private
bankruptcies filed in any 12-month
period.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in
a 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in
the history of the U.S. stock market.
In my first year in office, over 2 million
Americans lost their jobs and that trend
continues every month.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the
richest of any administration in U.S. history.
My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a
Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising
trips by a U.S. President.
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for
receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one
of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with the
U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and
Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
More time and money was spent investigating the Monica
Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating
one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.
history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil
industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in
U.S. history.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to
be awarded government contracts.
I appointed more convicted criminals to
administration than any President in
U.S. history.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the
largest bureaucracy in the
history of the United States government.
I've broken more international treaties than any
President in U.S. history.
I am the first President in U.S. history to have
the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human
Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S.
"prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused
to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first President in history to refuse United
Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I set the record for least number of press
conferences of any President since the advent of television.
I set the all-time record for most days on vacation
in any one-year period.
After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the
World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later
made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the
largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I have set the all-time record for most people
worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues
(15 million people), shattering the record for protest against
any person in the history of mankind.
I am the first President in U.S. history to order
an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military
occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against
the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and
support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and
their families -- in war time.
In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our
reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our
British friends.
I am the first President in history to have a
majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the
biggest threat to world peace and security.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical
Bunker Buster," a WMD.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden
to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are
now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for
public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider
trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy
and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my
Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are
sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

[Jungle Boy]

This is going to be good:D :eek: :D :eek:
He should be very proud. He's got alot done in a short time.

[AZKC]

:D nuff said:D

[bigq]

wierd sense of humor you have. Sounds more like a wish list.:rolleyes: Republicans had a similar list for Clinton.

[gottaminute?]

i think we should all make an effort to go out and LICK BUSH in 2004:D :D :D :D

[AdrenelineOD]

I `ve got to see that Clinton list!:eek:

[Blown 472]

go bush, go bush.:rolleyes:

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by gottaminute?
i think we should all make an effort to go out and LICK BUSH in 2004:D :D :D :D
That was a truly intelligent statement.
Just like what others had done in Clinton's honor this constitutes an amalgam of disparate facts and oodles of spin...
I am not voting for a friggin demorat....
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bigq]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
That was a truly intelligent statement.
Just like what others had done in Clinton's honor this constitutes an amalgam of disparate facts and oodles of spin...
I am not voting for a friggin demorat....
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
agreed, the Democratic party is not what it use to be, sounds like socialism is making a come back and making it's way into the USA, it will be a sad day.

[ratso]

...bitch...whine...piss...moan
Name one president that hasn't had some dirt dug up on them...
Better yet find a perfect president and shut the **** up...
Get a life and go to the lake...:D

[twistedpair]

Did 'Catmando' re-register?:confused: :rolleyes:

[TANK]

Dam'n right I do!!

[ratso]

Oh yeah...Democrats suck and I don't vote anyway.:D

[sam pioske]

90% Bull shit !! Scew the U N and anyone else that does'nt like us. Just stop taking our money and go the f**k away Our security was eroded by the shit face Clinton. do you rember 21% inflation 16% interest by the nice guy and terrible pres, Carter!

[fat rat]

More........................Bush! :cool:

[AdrenelineOD]

I couldn`t give a sh!+ about politics. I just laughed when I saw this and though you would too!:D

[ratso]

It's really funny all the bashing that goes on in politics. It's all about which candidate can dig up the most dirt on the other one. Most of them need to be kicked in the junk...:D

[LASERRAY]

Originally posted by AdrenelineOD
Begin forwarded message:
Take the time to read this, yes it is funny, but remember at the same time
its true.
And these are things that we should all be aware of.
George W. Bush
The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
LAW ENFORCEMENT:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976
for driving under the influence of alcohol.
I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving
record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went
AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer
any questions about my drug use.
By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to
avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C
average. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland,
Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't
find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt
shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a
sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing
friends in the oil industry(including Enron CEO Ken Lay),
I was elected governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and
oil companies, makingTexas
the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as
the most smog-ridden city
in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to
the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any
governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the governor of
Florida, and my father's appointments to the
Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over
500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter
office with a criminal record.
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing
cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted
the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual
deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private
bankruptcies filed in any 12-month
period.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in
a 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in
the history of the U.S. stock market.
In my first year in office, over 2 million
Americans lost their jobs and that trend
continues every month.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the
richest of any administration in U.S. history.
My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a
Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising
trips by a U.S. President.
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for
receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one
of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate
bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with the
U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and
Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
More time and money was spent investigating the Monica
Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating
one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S.
history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil
industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in
U.S. history.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to
be awarded government contracts.
I appointed more convicted criminals to
administration than any President in
U.S. history.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the
largest bureaucracy in the
history of the United States government.
I've broken more international treaties than any
President in U.S. history.
I am the first President in U.S. history to have
the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human
Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S.
"prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused
to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first President in history to refuse United
Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I set the record for least number of press
conferences of any President since the advent of television.
I set the all-time record for most days on vacation
in any one-year period.
After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the
World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later
made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the
largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I have set the all-time record for most people
worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues
(15 million people), shattering the record for protest against
any person in the history of mankind.
I am the first President in U.S. history to order
an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military
occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against
the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and
support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and
their families -- in war time.
In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our
reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our
British friends.
I am the first President in history to have a
majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the
biggest threat to world peace and security.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical
Bunker Buster," a WMD.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden
to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are
now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for
public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider
trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy
and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my
Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are
sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........................etc!:yuk:

[gottaminute?]

step back. slow down. dont be so quick to argue. read my post slowly. note the smileys.
"LICK BUSH"
now in my best beavis n buthead voice "uh uh he said BUSH"
PS if you prefer it trimmed up, thats ok too

[_I_]

AdrenelineOD you are a sad pathetic little man (or woman, or maybe you can't decide).
I can't imagine why anyone would want the democrats in office in todays world. It is a recipe for disaster. I saw a poll the other day asking who people though Terrorist organizations would rather have in office, Kerry or Bush.
Kerry %60
Bush %25
no opinion %15
While that is just one source, it illustrates a good point. Kerry would be a disaster for our foreign policy. Many people think foreign policy is solely how well we can suck off some of the weak country in Europe and while that is part of it the more important role is how we deal with countries like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Bush has done a better job dealing with these countries that I could have ever hoped for. While Clinton's idea of dealing with them was to bend over and take it Bush finally put an end to their shit. Look at Pakistan right now, begging like a puppy for a pat on the head.
As a member of the military I can tell you that I hope never to see Kerry in office. I my opinion he is a borderline traitor and certainly the worst case scenario for protecting America. His voting record is just shameful.
I know it is a scary world out there, but tucking our tail between our legs and hiding in the corner is not going to make it all go away. Eight years of Clinton doing just that (as well as giving military secrets to our enemies) is what enabled the WTC attack. The main difference between the Democrats and Republicans is this. When America is attached the Democrats want to issue an indictment. The Republicans want to issue a .762 long.

[LASERRAY]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
That was a truly intelligent statement.
Just like what others had done in Clinton's honor this constitutes an amalgam of disparate facts and oodles of spin...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: WOW! Allow me to quote Blazing Saddles doc : "You use your tongue pertier than a twenty dollar *****".:D

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by gottaminute?
step back. slow down. dont be so quick to argue. read my post slowly. note the smileys.
"LICK BUSH"
now in my best beavis n buthead voice "uh uh he said BUSH"
PS if you prefer it trimmed up, thats ok too
Hmmmmmm if that's what you meant... sorry... my bad! I like to lick bush too...:o

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by LASERRAY
WOW! Allow me to quote Blazing Saddles doc : "You use your tongue pertier than a twenty dollar *****".:D
That's Headley....

[redneckgirl]

Bush 2004 :D Bush 2004 :D Need we say more :D :D :D
RNG

[_I_]

Lets take a look at a portion of this list. Jumping down to the accomplishments as president (as that is my primary concern).
1.I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing
To protect national security and world stability. If anyone thinks that Iraq was not a threat they have their head in a dark smelly place. Talk to the soldiers coming back and ask them about what they saw in bunkers and hidden in safe houses buried underground. Bad scary things.
2.I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted
Typically Dem's would rather see more dead bodies than have the U.S. spend some money. Is this why Kerry keeps voting against military pay increases for the very people protecting your butt right now?
3. I shattered the record for the largest annual
Good god see above. You people make me sick. Someone else shattered a record two, that was UBL when he organized the killings of couple thousand of your fellow countrymen.
4. I set an economic record for most private
bankruptcies filed in any 12-month
period.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in
a 12-month period.
Odd, I couldn't find anything backing this up. I did see some stuff about the economy being stronger than anyone could have hoped with as at risk as we are from terrorists.
5. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market
C'mon now don't be stupid. We all know what caused that and even brining it up is just stretching. Besides it was the democrats and their shitty policies that allowed for that to happen anyhow. Lets not forget that this was mostly caused by the ash from the WTC blowing through the shattered windows of the NYSE.
6. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
:/ ?? So that trend continues every month? You are either a liar or you just got your math all mixed up.
Ugg, I have work to do and cannot finish this up tonight. As usual small truths and lies mixed together.

[Tinkerer]

Anyone that is STUPID enough to vote for Kerry had better learn to live with less $ cause KERRY wants to repeal all of BUSH's tax cuts.
And lets not say it's just for the rich because the Dem's think that a family of four making $50 thou a year is rich.
I remember getting my tax cut and I don't want to give it back.
Also if you come home from work and find a stranger in your house raping your wife do you want to have to run next door and ask your neighbor if it is OK to shoot the basterd.
That is what KERRY wants us to have to do.
Before we can do what we think is best for this country we have to get permission from the UN.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
KERRY plays both sides of the fence depending on who he is talking to.
I would rather have KLINTOON back in office than KERRY.
At least we knew where KLINTOON stood on most things.
IF - IF KERRY was to get into the WHITE HOUSE I feel we are in for a rough ride and TERRORISM will shortly be prevalent in this country not just in someone else's.

[SoCalOffshore]

Bull shit!

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by Tinkerboater
Anyone that is STUPID enough to vote for Kerry had better learn to live with less $ cause KERRY wants to repeal all of BUSH's tax cuts.
And lets not say it's just for the rich because the Dem's think that a family of four making $50 thou a year is rich.
I remember getting my tax cut and I don't want to give it back.
Also if you come home from work and find a stranger in your house raping your wife do you want to have to run next door and ask your neighbor if it is OK to shoot the basterd.
That is what KERRY wants us to have to do.
Before we can do what we think is best for this country we have to get permission from the UN.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
KERRY plays both sides of the fence depending on who he is talking to.
I would rather have KLINTOON back in office than KERRY.
At least we knew where KLINTOON stood on most things.
IF - IF KERRY was to get into the WHITE HOUSE I feel we are in for a rough ride and TERRORISM will shortly be prevalent in this country not just in someone else's.
I dont watch too much cnn, really.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Blown 472
I dont watch too much cnn, really.
Hmmmm.
Fox news... Maybe...
CNN??????
That is Kerry Campaign News Network. (KCNN)
:confused:

[AdrenelineOD]

Originally posted by _I_
AdrenelineOD you are a sad pathetic little man (or woman, or maybe you can't decide).
I can't imagine why anyone would want the democrats in office in todays world. It is a recipe for disaster. I saw a poll the other day asking who people though Terrorist organizations would rather have in office, Kerry or Bush.
Kerry %60
Bush %25
no opinion %15
While that is just one source, it illustrates a good point. Kerry would be a disaster for our foreign policy. Many people think foreign policy is solely how well we can suck off some of the weak country in Europe and while that is part of it the more important role is how we deal with countries like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Bush has done a better job dealing with these countries that I could have ever hoped for. While Clinton's idea of dealing with them was to bend over and take it Bush finally put an end to their shit. Look at Pakistan right now, begging like a puppy for a pat on the head.
As a member of the military I can tell you that I hope never to see Kerry in office. I my opinion he is a borderline traitor and certainly the worst case scenario for protecting America. His voting record is just shameful.
I know it is a scary world out there, but tucking our tail between our legs and hiding in the corner is not going to make it all go away. Eight years of Clinton doing just that (as well as giving military secrets to our enemies) is what enabled the WTC attack. The main difference between the Democrats and Republicans is this. When America is attached the Democrats want to issue an indictment. The Republicans want to issue a .762 long. I just thought this was funny ! my fricking god you think I wrote this! I could care less about politics. I would love to post one of these for democrats. Now you not be so judgemental and think about where we come from dumb ass. I happen to love my right to say you suck!

[OGShocker]

Before you vote for a Democrat please remember to;
Sell your boat, it is too LOUD!
Sell your off road toys, you only own them to kill desert turtles.
Sell your guns because they kill people all on their own.
Sell your home, life is better in a commune.
Sell your kids if you have more than two, you're taxing the planet.
Sell your SUV, you are only killing our planet with it anyway.
Buy a bike because after they raise your taxes and fee you to death you won't be able to pay for the fuel, ammo, mortgage or diapers anyway.
Long live the lefty hoards:mad:
and F**K the rest of us!
God Bless this great Nation and the President who guides her now.

[HighRoller]

I think the ignorance of that whole tyrade can be summed up in the sentence about Bush losing the election by 500,000 votes but still winning. Uh, hello. Dumbass? We elect presidents by the electoral college system, not popular vote. I also like how GW gets the blame for 9-11 as if he flew the plane himself. And all the drivel about not conforming with the UN is hilarious. If we listened to the UN, Saddam would not only still be in power, he would still be in Kuwait! This attack is what happens when the left meets a person they can't intimidate or scare with their hateful rhetoric. GW has cleaned the floor with the Dems asses so far, and I hope he does the same to that Kevorkian Cadavor Kerry.

[OGShocker]

Why is BOTOX like a hard-on?
They both take wrinkles out of DICKS!

[HighRoller]

Still reading... Bush spent the surplus? WHAT surplus? This is a perfect example of why politicians are so Fd up. They borrow 70 billion from Social Insecurity to cover their spending overrun and call it a "surplus". Hello...as long as you have a national debt there is no such thing as a surplus! That's like taking out a home equity line to pay off your credit cards and saying you are debt free!

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by HighRoller
That's like taking out a home equity line to pay off your credit cards and saying you are debt free!
You mean I am not?;)

[gnarley]

Originally posted by _I_
Kerry would be a disaster for our foreign policy. Many people think foreign policy is solely how well we can suck off some of the weak country in Europe and while that is part of it the more important role is how we deal with countries like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Bush has done a better job dealing with these countries that I could have ever hoped for. While Clinton's idea of dealing with them was to bend over and take it Bush finally put an end to their shit. Look at Pakistan right now, begging like a puppy for a pat on the head.
As a member of the military I can tell you that I hope never to see Kerry in office. I my opinion he is a borderline traitor and certainly the worst case scenario for protecting America. His voting record is just shameful.
I know it is a scary world out there, but tucking our tail between our legs and hiding in the corner is not going to make it all go away. Eight years of Clinton doing just that (as well as giving military secrets to our enemies) is what enabled the WTC attack. The main difference between the Democrats and Republicans is this. When America is attached the Democrats want to issue an indictment. The Republicans want to issue a .762 long.
Not that I like Kerry or would vote for him but we might have an actual domestic policy and spend our money at home. Bush may have a strong foreign policy but due to it we have no domestic policy. There is no balance with Bush or so it seems, he said he was going to bring us, the citizens of the USofA together. It just seems that so far the longer he is in office the deeper the wedge goes between us.
Not to defend anyone’s voting record but when most bills are run through the House of Representatives they get trailer bills that ruin the intent of the actual bill that was the main topic to be voted on and in some cases could double the cost! Many of the bills that are meant to supply the military end up also providing millions in BS for other things that have nothing to do with the military at all. That screws us, Joe & Jane tax payer! I don’t think I would vote for some them either! I’m not pissed at people who have balls to vote their conscience. I’m pissed at those who want to pad the pockets of their constituents or districts on the coattails of bills that have good intent.
None of us really know what Kerry has done do we? Other than what the media has told us about him but I think we do know what Bush has done and is doing and I don’t like the direction he or the Republican party have gone and I was a Republican during Clintons party.
We do need a good strong foreign policy but not at the expense of our domestic needs or pandering to corporate special interests that want to take more and more benefits away from workers and retiree’s and lets not forget the special tax breaks for the wealthiest citizens who could afford to pay a little more and not even notice it. I don’t feel that the government has the right to tell a woman what she can or can’t do when pregnant but the conservative Republicans and the religious right think they can.
Bush is really dividing us and we’re all in it together!

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by gnarley
Not that I like Kerry or would vote for him but we might have an actual domestic policy and spend our money at home. Bush may have a strong foreign policy but due to it we have no domestic policy. There is no balance with Bush or so it seems, he said he was going to bring us, the citizens of the USofA together. It just seems that so far the longer he is in office the deeper the wedge goes between us.
None of us really know what Kerry has done do we? Other than what the media has told us about him but I think we do know what Bush has done and is doing and I don’t like the direction he or the Republican party have gone and I was a Republican during Clintons party.
You flip/flop as much as Kerry.
Are you still mad about the same sex marriage dealio?:rolleyes:

[bigq]

Originally posted by gnarley
None of us really know what Kerry has done do we? Other than what the media has told us about him but I think we do know what Bush has done and is doing and I don’t like the direction he or the Republican party have gone and I was a Republican during Clintons party.
Bush is really dividing us and we’re all in it together!
WOW, yes we know exactly what Kerry has done, look at his voting record. I would take his actions over what hes said anyday, BTW, what does he say he stands for does anyone know.
The problem for Bush is he found God and is very religious and that scares a big population of the world. I don't like a lot of what he has done with all that spending, but the economy is picking up, it's in the numbers and unemployment is going down, just need more prosperous jobs. Bush said he has a 5 year plan for reducing the debt so we will see.

[gnarley]

Originally posted by OGShocker
You flip/flop as much as Kerry.
Are you still mad about the same sex marriage dealio?:rolleyes:
Flip flop? If you say so, but that just means I have the ability to think.
Same sex marrige, I really don't care if they do or don't. I just feel that if those people want to do it and call it marrige to recieve the same benifits under the law as the rest of us married folks do, so what, I'm not all hung up about a friggin word. It doesn't hurt me or affect me but I feel it comes down to equal protection under the law. They are still people, human beings and not much different than Rosa Parks a black woman trying to ride in a bus. She was a person who just wanted to recieve the same benifits as the white folks.

[Dribble]

I set the record for the most executions by any
governor in American history.
(I don't see that as a problem).
More time and money was spent investigating the Monica
Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating
one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
(Hey Einstein, I think Clinton was president then).
I am the first President in history to have a
majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the
biggest threat to world peace and security.
(We really need to care about what the pussies in France and Spain think).
I am the first President in U.S. history to order
an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military
occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against
the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community.
(Please state your source for this poll).
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
(Yeah they really helped in the fight against terrorism).
My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a
Chevron oil tanker named after her.
(And this is wrong because????)
I set the all-time record for most days on vacation
in any one-year period.
(At least he gets his blowjobs on his own time).

[OutCole'd]

Originally posted by gnarley
Flip flop? If you say so, but that just means I have the ability to think.
Same sex marrige, I really don't care if they do or don't. I just feel that if those people want to do it and call it marrige to recieve the same benifits under the law as the rest of us married folks do, so what, I'm not all hung up about a friggin word. It doesn't hurt me or affect me but I feel it comes down to equal protection under the law. They are still people, human beings and not much different than Rosa Parks a black woman trying to ride in a bus. She was a person who just wanted to recieve the same benifits as the white folks.
Gnarley, Very well said..

[gnarley]

Originally posted by bigq
WOW, yes we know exactly what Kerry has done, look at his voting record. I would take his actions over what hes said anyday, BTW, what does he say he stands for does anyone know.
You know? You only know what you read like me. Neither of us were there or know his reasons for making some of the tough choices he did. Unless you know Kerry personally I don't think you know the facts since the facts seems to disapear from the spin doctors.
Oh, and by the way would you vote for a new aircraft carrier if there was a trailer bill on it that was going to send 2 Billion in aid to Angola? I sure the hell wouldn't would you? This was just an example of the BS that happens but it does happen and some people just won't vote for the additional BS that would have helped our public or military. So if you think it's ok to build an aircraft carrier and send money other places, I'd hate to have you as an elected official or running a company. It's irresponsible people like that who ruin our national budgets and run us into deficit and then want more money.

[bigq]

Originally posted by gnarley
You know? You only know what you read like me. Neither of us were there or know his reasons for making some of the tough choices he did. Unless you know Kerry personally I don't think you know the facts since the facts seems to disapear from the spin doctors.
Oh, and by the way would you vote for a new aircraft carrier if there was a trailer bill on it that was going to send 2 Billion in aid to Angola? I sure the hell wouldn't would you? This was just an example of the BS that happens but it does happen and some people just won't vote for the additional BS that would have helped our public or military. So if you think it's ok to build an aircraft carrier and send money other places, I'd hate to have you as an elected official or running a company. It's irresponsible people like that who ruin our national budgets and run us into deficit and then want more money.
Yea I know that kinda stuff sucks. It even happens at the state and city level also, but I disagree on Kerry. It would be one thing it it was a few votes here or there, but when you look at what he has voted against I don't think we would have a CIA, smart weapons or advance aircraft.

[HighRoller]

(At least he gets his blowjobs on his own time).
That is F&*king classic! I didn't know there was a "record" for vacation days. What do you say we have some fun!
John Kerry's Resume:
Work experience:
I've never had a real job. I'm a lifetime politician and married to a multi-millionairess so I'll never work again. But I still represent the working man.
Military Experience:
I'm a war hero, having served in Vietnam where I did heroic things and became a hero of the Vietnam war. Did I mention I'm a war hero? I threw the medals I earned by being a war hero in the trash, but I'm still a war hero because I served in Vietnam and was a hero of the war there. I'm a friend of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda, and even though I'm a war hero I protested the Vietnam war, the war in which I became a war hero.
Stance on Tax Cuts:
George W. Bush ruined the economy by cutting taxes, but I will cut taxes for the middle class. Actually, I'll promise to cut taxes like Bill clinton, then turn tail and raise taxes. I'm against tax increases but will reverse Bush's tax cuts and effectively raise your taxes. I have never voted against a tax increase, and voted against the Bush tax cut. Even though the top 1% of people pay 40% of all the taxes, I still feel the "Rich" aren't paying their "Fair share".
Stance on Iraq:
I voted for the war in Iraq when the public was in favor of it, but now I'm against it because we invaded a foreign nation and our boys are getting killed. This reminds me of Vietnam, where I was a war hero by doing heroic things during the war and becoming a war hero. But I supported Bill clinton when he took the same course of action against Milosevic.
Stance on the Economy:
George Bush has personally had people fired, kept them from getting jobs and starved their children. He also took their jobs away and sent them to India, then created secret jobs for his "Rich" buddies. He also took money from children and gave it to Enron. He hands out cigarettes to your children. His foreign policy is the worst since Vietnam, where I was a decorated war hero. I will single-handedly stop the export of US jobs, create 20 million new jobs, raise the stock market 10,000 points and make you look 10 years younger overnight.
Stance on Foreign Policy:
I will make the world love us again. I promise not to do anything on foreign soil before checking with the U.N., Nato, GreenPeace, Amnesty International, The World Court, French Foreign Legion and Miss Cleo. I will also stick my finger in the wind to make sure we're not "offending" anyone. I especially will not have us involved in another war like Vietnam, where I was a war hero after doing things that were heroic and earning medals that a war hero gets.

[gnarley]

Originally posted by bigq
Yea I know that kinda stuff sucks. It even happens at the state and city level also, but I disagree on Kerry. It would be one thing it it was a few votes here or there, but when you look at what he has voted against I don't think we would have a CIA, smart weapons or advance aircraft.
I respect EVRYONE's opinion even though most of us are not as informed as we'd like to think we are. We all have a right to our opinions. I think it’s great to question each other why we think the way we do but shouldn't beat each other up for it. I don't know enough about Kerry and don't like the left leaning tree hugging Democratic stance but I like the Republican stance even less and really have a negative view of ALL the Bush's! They said in Texas before he left that he F'ed up Texas and then he became a candidate? What the hell is wrong with that picture? I don't know what Kerry has F'ed up but Bush already had a record of doing it before he was elected!

[HighRoller]

Actually, Bush did a hell of a job in Texas. He was the only governor in recent history who made any progress improving the school systems, especially in minority areas. The crime rate plummeted, and no, he did not bankrupt the state. Ann Richards did that long before he came around.

[gnarley]

Originally posted by HighRoller
Actually, Bush did a hell of a job in Texas. He was the only governor in recent history who made any progress improving the school systems, especially in minority areas. The crime rate plummeted, and no, he did not bankrupt the state. Ann Richards did that long before he came around.
Kind of funny, my wife has a few very good friends that live in Texas in the Dallas area, Houston and Galveston. She has worked with some of them for almost 10 years and a few have visted us and stayed at our home and they told us from a Texan's stand point what they thought! Granted there are always two sides to a coin but this is the one I have heard from personal friends and professional business people.

[Lakemead1]

Now that's funny!
Originally posted by HighRoller
That is F&*king classic! I didn't know there was a "record" for vacation days. What do you say we have some fun!
John Kerry's Resume:
Work experience:
I've never had a real job. I'm a lifetime politician and married to a multi-millionairess so I'll never work again. But I still represent the working man.
Military Experience:
I'm a war hero, having served in Vietnam where I did heroic things and became a hero of the Vietnam war. Did I mention I'm a war hero? I threw the medals I earned by being a war hero in the trash, but I'm still a war hero because I served in Vietnam and was a hero of the war there. I'm a friend of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda, and even though I'm a war hero I protested the Vietnam war, the war in which I became a war hero.
Stance on Tax Cuts:
George W. Bush ruined the economy by cutting taxes, but I will cut taxes for the middle class. Actually, I'll promise to cut taxes like Bill clinton, then turn tail and raise taxes. I'm against tax increases but will reverse Bush's tax cuts and effectively raise your taxes. I have never voted against a tax increase, and voted against the Bush tax cut. Even though the top 1% of people pay 40% of all the taxes, I still feel the "Rich" aren't paying their "Fair share".
Stance on Iraq:
I voted for the war in Iraq when the public was in favor of it, but now I'm against it because we invaded a foreign nation and our boys are getting killed. This reminds me of Vietnam, where I was a war hero by doing heroic things during the war and becoming a war hero. But I supported Bill clinton when he took the same course of action against Milosevic.
Stance on the Economy:
George Bush has personally had people fired, kept them from getting jobs and starved their children. He also took their jobs away and sent them to India, then created secret jobs for his "Rich" buddies. He also took money from children and gave it to Enron. He hands out cigarettes to your children. His foreign policy is the worst since Vietnam, where I was a decorated war hero. I will single-handedly stop the export of US jobs, create 20 million new jobs, raise the stock market 10,000 points and make you look 10 years younger overnight.
Stance on Foreign Policy:
I will make the world love us again. I promise not to do anything on foreign soil before checking with the U.N., Nato, GreenPeace, Amnesty International, The World Court, French Foreign Legion and Miss Cleo. I will also stick my finger in the wind to make sure we're not "offending" anyone. I especially will not have us involved in another war like Vietnam, where I was a war hero after doing things that were heroic and earning medals that a war hero gets.

[bigq]

heres a nice little story of the Socialist meeting up with our socialist...uh... Democrats.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=653868

[BUSTI]

Despite the so called great Clinton record...President Bush kicked the shit out of the sitting VP gore. So much for the Clinton legacy being recognized or appreciated by the majority of Americans. thE 200 election was so close that if the Clinton record was so great than why didn't gore win by a land slide? Comparatively speeking Bush kicked gores ass given gore was the sitting VP.
Bottom line is Kerry is wrong on so many issues and he has flip flopped on so many other issues that I predict that Kerry will lose as bad as Michael Dukakis did. Wanna bet a 12 pack?
Kerry has put himself in a bad situation...he as aligneed his foriegn policy positions AND HIS POSITION ON iRAQ AND THE WAR ON TERROR with our enemies and unappreciative allies of France, Germany et.al. The vast majority of Americans see this in him and that is the single biggest issue in this election.
Do you want a President that ,like the Europeans, thinks he can talk terrorists into not killing us or do you want a President who will use ALL OF AMERICA'S MIGHT TO KILL THE FUCHING TERRORISTS BEFORE THEY CAN EVER THINK OF ATTACKING US AGAIN?
The Dem-o-rats namely Kerry just like Clinton did honestly believe that terrorism is a law enforcement issue not a military issue. He believes this as the Europeans do and the UN does. Thank God this President recognizes that 911 was an act of war not an act of criminal behavior. That GW realizes that this is a job for the US military not Interpol is the reason we haven't been attacked again. Its also the reason why the two most murderous regimes in the middle east the Taliban and Saddam no longer exist. It is also the reason that Kadafi willfully with out a shot being fired surrendered to the western world his nuke program and abonded same program.
It is also the reason Korea is now at the bargaining table negotiating with the US instead of butt humping the Clinton Admin. for 8 years as it did. It is also the reason why Pakistan is our ally now and not an enemy. Its also the reason ubl and his tiny band of fanatics live in gaves and our living like the greasy rats they are.
Its the reason for the first time in the history of the ARABIAN penninsula free democratic elections will take place with out armed coerision from a dictator.
The rest of the campaign rhetoric is all bullshit about the economy and other domestic issues. if you honestly believe that Kerry will make this world safer then get a tape of 911 and see those young people leaping to their death out of the World Trade Center Towers to escape their flesh from being melted off their bodies while they were alive. And remind your self that 8 years of Clinton treating Al Queada as a law enforcement police problem, just like European fan club did and does now, was the reason we were attacked! And be prepared for kerry to return this country to the failed strategy of Clinton that so embolden the pieces of shit ubl terrorists to slit the throats of young 25 year old stewardesses and then fly our own planes into our buildings killing thousands of our people.
BUSH HATERS WHAT THE HELL KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE TRADE OFF IS THE F#$KING DEFICIT vs 3000 DEAD AMERICANS?

[totenhosen]

Originally posted by BUSTI
Despite the so called great Clinton record...President Bush kicked the shit out of the sitting VP gore. So much for the Clinton legacy being recognized or appreciated by the majority of Americans. thE 200 election was so close that if the Clinton record was so great than why didn't gore win by a land slide? Comparatively speeking Bush kicked gores ass given gore was the sitting VP.
The rest of the campaign rhetoric is all bullshit about the economy and other domestic issues.
Only doing this because I like to poke holes in peoples arguments.
probably the same reason why George Bush Sr. lost to Clinton. Where was his legacy? Lets face it Gore was a loser like Bill Simon was in the governor race for CA. davis should never have been voted in the first nor second time.
What is wrong with discussing about problems here in our own country. I think it is long past due that this country (and for that matter CA) solve some of its internal problems at the same time.

[HighRoller]

I think people need to look at the problems they are discussing and realize that the President cannot fix those problems for them. It's not the President's job to get you a job, give you healthcare or make sure your children are fed. That's YOUR job! The reason bankruptcies and foreclosures are at an all-time high is directly tied to the fact that we as a country have something like 4 TRILLION dollars in consumer debt! The president did not cause your job to be exported, market forces did. When the garment and shoe industry was exported overseas years ago everyone cried and panicked. We're still here, aren't we? The sky isn't falling so sack up....

[totenhosen]

Actually a big part of the President's job is economic and domestic policy. If it isn't please enlighten us as to what actually the President's job is.

[BUSTI]

Toten,
Bush Sr lost because he was a liar about taxes. I frankly think he was a very average President that couldn't keep his base energized because his promise of conservatism was false! I don't see how Bush Sr's well deserved failure to get reelected shoots holes in my arguement...because it doesnt. His legacy was as false as the Clinton legacy both built on deception! Thats why the people voted both Bush Sr out as well as Gore out.
We are at war as a country whether you realize it or not. Why do I believe this? Because the fanatical Muslims that scourage this earth told us we are! And they just proved it to us so as to remind us by blowing up 200 Spainards.
Yes we have domestic problems in this country but if you believe that the difference between kerry and Bush is significant in this area to make a difference than you DO misunderstand the real issues of this campaign. Well like I said get yourself a tape of 911 watch those young people jumpimg out of buildings and then tell your self all the other shit like the deficit really matters or really amounts to a hill of beans!
And when you have time explain to me how you punched holes in my arguements.

[OGShocker]

To be a strong leader.
Here is your option,
Kerry's Voting Record on Defense....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kerry has voted for at least SEVEN major reductions in Defense and Military spending, necessary for our national security:
1) In 1996 - Introduced Bill to slash Defense Department Funding by $6.5 Billion.
2) In 1995 - Voted to freeze Defense spending for 7 years, slashing over $34 billion from Defense.
3) Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution - Defense Freeze. "Harkin, D-Iowa, amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training."
4) In 1993 - Introduced plan to cut numerous Defense programs, including:
Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
Terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program
Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.
5) Has voted repeatedly to cut Defense spending, including:
In 1993, voted against increased Defense spending for Military Pay Raise. Kerry voted to kill an increase in military pay over five years.
In 1992, voted to cut $6 billion from Defense.
In 1991, voted to slash over $3 Billion from Defense. Shift money to social programs.
In 1991, voted to cut defense spending by 2%
Voted repeatedly to cut or eliminate funding for B-2 Stealth Bomber
Voted repeatedly against Missile Defense - Weapons Kerry sought to phase out were VITAL in Iraq. "[K]erry supported cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US military might-the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks." (Brian C. Mooney, "Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One," The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)
Military hardware he felt we no longer need since the "cold war" is past. The money would be better spent on "social" programs. These weapons are now the core of our military might.
F-16 Fighting Falcons.
B-1Bs B-2As F-15 And F-16s
M1 Abrams
Patriot Missile
AH-64 Apache Helicopter
Tomahawk Cruise Missile
Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser
6) During 1980s Kerry And Michael Dukakis joined forces with liberal group dedicated to slashing Defense. Kerry sat on the board of "Jobs With Peace Campaign," which sought to "develop public support for cutting the defense budget..."("Pentagon Demonstrators Call For Home-Building, Not Bombs," The Associated Press, 6/3/88)
7) While running for Congress in 1972, Kerry promised to cut Defense Spending. "On what he'll do if he's elected to Congress," Kerry said he would 'bring a different kind of message to the president." He said he would, "Vote against military appropriations." ("Candidate's For Congress Capture Campus In Andover," Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)
"So you can look at all the potential threats of the world, and when you add the expenditures of all of our allies to the United States of America, you have to stop and say to yourself, 'What is it that we are really preparing for in a post-cold-war world?'"
(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 5/15/96, p. S5061)

[OutCole'd]

So... What do you guys think of the new Chevy HD's????

[CA Stu]

Bush: Cut taxes, strengthen the military.
Kerry: Raise taxes, cut the military.
I've made up my mind, easily and with a clear conscience.
As far as Iraq, the fact is that Saddam organized and funded a plot to assassinate our President (Bush Sr.)!!
Do we roll over like a bunch of sheep or defend ourselves? Clinton's lack of retribution just empowered Hussein.
What are we, French?;)
Thanks
CA Stu
PS that first post... well, that's just nitpicking, isn't it?

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by OutCole'd
So... What do you guys think of the new Chevy HD's????
LOL... I love mine! But I am a heartless Republican:D

[BUSTI]

Toten,
in an attempt to enlighten you as to what a President's real job is....
Originally the founding fathers intended the federal government to have very limited powers. However what they were in charge of was four areas:
1) TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FORIEGN INVASION! NUMBER ONE PRIORITY! PERIOD! To protect us from all foreign enemies that would kill our citizens or destroy our interests.
2) The federal government was to provide for the domestic tranquility. This means tp protect our country from enemies from with in that would kill us and attempt to destroy our interests. Namely police, criminal courts, fire and border patrol and such.
3) To provide a working judiciary/court system to resolve disputes in a civil court so as to protect our personal rights.
4) To establish and maintain a currency and establish standards weights and measures.
THATS ALL!
Read the federalsits papers. Read the correspondence and debates between Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton Adams and the other founding fathers and you will quickly see that as head of the federal Government it is the Presidents chief responsilbilty to make and keep our country safe from foreign enemies. The responsibilty is given to no one else in this country. Not senators, judges, congressman and or any other person.. it is why they call the PRESIDENT COMMANDER AND CHIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1
No other responsibilities are more important than keeping Americans safe! Especially at a time of war and we are at war...wake up!
It is why Kerry will get spanked and Bush will get re-elected. This President has done a fabulous job of keeping us safe!

[Blown 472]

3) To provide a working judiciary/court system to resolve disputes in a civil court so as to protect our personal rights.
And your buddies that kicked a shit load of money to buy your vote when they get caught with their dicks stuck up the countries ass.

[OutCole'd]

Originally posted by OGShocker
LOL... I love mine! But I am a heartless Republican:D
I'm thinking about getting a Duramax, ever heard of them??? I hear there nice.

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
3) To provide a working judiciary/court system to resolve disputes in a civil court so as to protect our personal rights.
And your buddies that kicked a shit load of money to buy your vote when they get caught with their dicks stuck up the countries ass.
Thank God for the Florida 500!!!!

[gnarley]

Originally posted by BUSTI
Toten,
in an attempt to enlighten you as to what a President's real job is....
Originally the founding fathers intended the federal government to have very limited powers. However what they were in charge of was four areas:
1) TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM FORIEGN INVASION! NUMBER ONE PRIORITY! PERIOD! To protect us from all foreign enemies that would kill our citizens or destroy our interests.
2) The federal government was to provide for the domestic tranquility. This means tp protect our country from enemies from with in that would kill us and attempt to destroy our interests. Namely police, criminal courts, fire and border patrol and such.
3) To provide a working judiciary/court system to resolve disputes in a civil court so as to protect our personal rights.
4) To establish and maintain a currency and establish standards weights and measures.
THATS ALL!
Read the federalsits papers. Read the correspondence and debates between Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton Adams and the other founding fathers and you will quickly see that as head of the federal Government it is the Presidents chief responsilbilty to make and keep our country safe from foreign enemies. The responsibilty is given to no one else in this country. Not senators, judges, congressman and or any other person.. it is why they call the PRESIDENT COMMANDER AND CHIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1
No other responsibilities are more important than keeping Americans safe! Especially at a time of war and we are at war...wake up!
It is why Kerry will get spanked and Bush will get re-elected. This President has done a fabulous job of keeping us safe!
If that is the case then why does our current president attempt to push his ideological beliefs on us and for that matter any president?
Much has changed since our country was founded including the Presidents role. Hell, look at taxes, they are really not legal but try not paying them. Our country was founded by those that were escaping religious persecution and now we have those like our current President who is trying to push his religious beliefs on the rest of us even if we are not in agreement and that is not part of his job.

[HighRoller]

Actually a big part of the President's job is economic and domestic policy. If it isn't please enlighten us as to what actually the President's job is. Not exactly true. While the Prez is supposed to be a leader, there is no mandate for him to micromanage the economy and "create" jobs for you. Private industry and consumer dollars power the economy, not the government. The government's job is "regulation", but lately everyone with their hand out for a freebie thinks it's the President who should keep them fed, employed and healthy.

[totenhosen]

Originally posted by HighRoller
Not exactly true. While the Prez is supposed to be a leader, there is no mandate for him to micromanage the economy and "create" jobs for you. Private industry and consumer dollars power the economy, not the government. The government's job is "regulation", but lately everyone with their hand out for a freebie thinks it's the President who should keep them fed, employed and healthy.
and you don't see the direct effects of one on the other? So than the governor of CA should not legislate/regulate certain areas to try and bring back business to CA? same goes for the President! His policies have direct effect on private industry and consumer dollars. Why did Bush cut taxes than? For the fun of it?

[bigq]

Originally posted by gnarley
Our country was founded by those that were escaping religious persecution and now we have those like our current President who is trying to push his religious beliefs on the rest of us even if we are not in agreement and that is not part of his job.
How is he doing that? no gay marriage, no killing unborns? I thought the party as a whole supported this belief.

[gnarley]

Originally posted by bigq
How is he doing that? no gay marriage, no killing unborns? I thought the party as a whole supported this belief.
That's my point, most of it is based on his or the party's religious beliefs and though the majority of the party may be behind him it is these ideological beliefs that divide the country and though they are volatile hotbed issues they really shouldn’t become political issues. Why should this become politicized? I would prefer to keep the government out of my personal life as I would expect most other people would. These topics are no different to those who are affected by the current government that is in power. Many of the beliefs like gay marriage and abortion are more of a personal nature than political they don’t affect anyone else so why should the government make a choice?
How would you feel if your wife was raped and not allowed to terminate the pregnancy?

[BUSTI]

Charlie,
As a Libertarian I agree with you he government should not be in the personal affairs business. However if you look at the record it is the dem-o-rats that have a much greater role in creating such an intrusive big brother government! Primarily through the implementation of taxes that support the dem-o-rats enormous welfare state.
I agree why should the President or for that fact that idiot San Francisco calls a mayor be in the marriage business? The act of marriage is a personal issue and should not be defined nor involve the government. Just like I do not believe the government should be in the education business and many other things it is involved in.
But I know you don't mean to imply that Bush is the only president that has used the office to force upon us us his own philosophical agenda ...do you. Clinton and company as well as most of the demorat politicians have been equally vigorous in pushing their socialist secular agenda down our throats!
Despite these problems isn't it grand that we live in a country that provides us all with the freedom to speek so freely. I met a man today that escaped Syria for speeking about the existing regime critically. His wife lost her life at a border check point trying to escape to Lebenon.

[ahhell]

how about bringing all our troops home, gaurd our own borders, not play worlds police man, stop giving billions to everyone and fix our own infrastructure. The world (middle east) does not want us making them a democracy, they have been and always will be a "religious" based group of mad men terrorists...hell listen to them talk when their happy, they still sound pissed off:eek!: lets do like the rest of the world and take care of our own and take hand outs from the U.S....oh wait thats you and I...THEN lets work on welfare..........my two cents

[Scream]

Originally posted by ahhell
hell listen to them talk when their happy, they still sound pissed off:eek!:
Your killin me smalls!:) :pigfly:

[ahhell]

thats cuz im on my way to fit shaced....
and the duramax deisel is a BITCHIN' truck...like a Caddy that tows
where am i and why am i here????

[Scream]

What, did you turn your camaro into a diesel? What time should we show up on Sunday?

[OutCole'd]

As the great American, Roderick, J. King, once said;
Can't we all just get along.....
Of course, he said this before he said some other famous words, that I think went something like this; Ouch....Ouch Ouch...Ouch.Ouch Ouch....Ouch, etc...

[Tinkerer]

AHHELL
closing the borders wouldn't work because of one BIG reason.
Balistic missiles and nukes don't give a dam about closed borders.
I would rather spend BILLIONS and have the war over there than to have a budget surplus and the war over here.

[Tinkerer]

Charley-
You know? You only know what you read like me. Neither of us were there or know his reasons for making some of the tough choices he did. Unless you know Kerry personally I don't think you know the facts since the facts seems to disapear from the spin doctors
Since all of what you have said is bad about BUSH has come from what you have read and heard than the same goes for what you just said.

[Tinkerer]

Take a vote here.
How many of you really believe that businesses pay any taxes at all.
Businesses don't pay ANY taxes -If the government levies a tax on a business they don't pay it YOU AND I DO when we buy their product. If the taxes go up then the cost of the product goes up.
SO who really paid for that tax????
If you give a tax break to a rich person that person then invests that money. That money usually then puts people to work.
That means jobs for you a nd me.
I think all people lie including politicians. That is how they got there. everyone lies but it is what they lie about that maters.
The only one driving a wedge into this country is the DEMOCRAT PARTY.

[gnarley]

Hey Busti and Tinker, great comments.
Originally posted by Tinkerboater
Charley-
You know? You only know what you read like me. Neither of us were there or know his reasons for making some of the tough choices he did. Unless you know Kerry personally I don't think you know the facts since the facts seems to disapear from the spin doctors
Since all of what you have said is bad about BUSH has come from what you have read and heard than the same goes for what you just said.
TB yes to some degree your right but I am now living under an administration that I feel has directly affected me unlike Kerry. Kerrry could F it up worse but then maybe not. The fact is, they both scare the sh*t out of me.

[HighRoller]

I still can't figure out one thing. When an ultra-liberal Mayor(or in our case County Commissioners)makes an end run around the law and issues illegal marriage licenses, why is this not considered "Imposing their beliefs" upon us? But Bush gets hated on because of his religion? He hasn't forced religion on anyone. He has tried to stop the continual persecution of religious groups in this country. Like I said before, you can marry two men on the steps of the courthouse, but if you tried to say a prayer or read from the bible THAT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE!!!!

[058]

If you want to know what Democratic rule would do to this country look closely at what it did to California.:D

[HighRoller]

Look at what it did to San Francisco! My Fiance said she couldn't walk 10 feet without some smelly, sleazy scummy bum coming up to her with his hand out.

[CA Stu]

Originally posted by HighRoller
Look at what it did to San Francisco! My Fiance said she couldn't walk 10 feet without some smelly, sleazy scummy bum coming up to her with his hand out.
Wasn't she referring to you? :D
Thanks
CA Stu

[INXS]

about kerry being at the 1971 anti-war meeting in which they talked of killing 7 pro-war senators! Seemed he dienied being at it but now FBI files confirm he was there! He also said he quit the group months before but FBI files have him leaving the group months later.

[gnarley]

Originally posted by HighRoller
I still can't figure out one thing. When an ultra-liberal Mayor(or in our case County Commissioners)makes an end run around the law and issues illegal marriage licenses, why is this not considered "Imposing their beliefs" upon us? But Bush gets hated on because of his religion? He hasn't forced religion on anyone. He has tried to stop the continual persecution of religious groups in this country. Like I said before, you can marry two men on the steps of the courthouse, but if you tried to say a prayer or read from the bible THAT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE!!!!
I somewhat agree with you, and luckily that was only a local issue and one that truly only affects a few people, doesn't affect you does it? Hell why shouldn’t they pay a marriage penalty like the rest of us? But since our commander and chief oversees the whole country, what he does that is based on his ideologies does affect EVERYONE that may or may not agree with his wisdom or beliefs such as a woman’s right to choose.
Originally posted by HighRoller
Look at what it did to San Francisco! My Fiance said she couldn't walk 10 feet without some smelly, sleazy scummy bum coming up to her with his hand out.
Dude, you need to travel more. That happens in almost any big city in the USA that has a moderate climate and attracts tourists.

[058]

Originally posted by gnarley
Dude, you need to travel more. That happens in almost any big city in the USA that has a moderate climate and attracts tourists. Charley, San Francisco is a shithole. Working on various construction jobsites in S.F. you get to see the real dregs of humanity. They have to be rousted from in front of the job gates so that we could enter. Most of them were drunk and/or on drugs, some had shit/pissed themselves. Needless to say they stunk to hi heaven. They shit and piss on the sidewalk when they are able to stand up without help. And they have no consideration to anyone else. They are beligerent, demand money and curse anyone that doesn't give them a handout. This is the result of failed bleeding heart liberal thinking in S.F. I avoid the place whenever possible. Of all the places I've been S.F. is the worst.

[gnarley]

Bob,I agree with you. I know it's bad my wife reported to an office near SBC park and we get down there 6 to 8 times a year. But I have also traveled to other major cities and it happens there to. Granted it may be worse in SF but the fact is it's in other places also. SF just happens to attract the bums like it attracts tourists, it is the #1 tourist city in the world.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by gnarley
Bob,I agree with you. I know it's bad my wife reported to an office near SBC park and we get down there 6 to 8 times a year. But I have also traveled to other major cities and it happens there to. Granted it may be worse in SF but the fact is it's in other places also. SF just happens to attract the bums like it attracts tourists, it is the #1 tourist city in the world.
I worked in Down town SF for several years, and in fact I just finished working on a project there a couple of months ago. It is a shithole. And I think a lot of it has to do with the prevailing liberal attitude there. I don't think it is entirely a function of it being a tourist mecca.