has anyone used a better loader grate?

[sleekvino]

i was wondering if any one has taken off the stock loder grate and bought the one that cpperformance sells.

[Heatseeker]

Most guys run some type of loader. For my last boat, I bought a used V-blocker style and gained 5 mph off the bat. I cut down the length of the v and picked up another 2 mph. I'm going with an open style for my newest project.
Definately a good investment IMHO.

[ChetCapoli]

i have seen changes of up to 8mph when i was messing with loaders(6 different ones) on my boat. I was lucky to be able to test and tune with borrowed ones. Ones you would expect to give big improvements were a waste of time, while pretty basic ones worked the best. I would try someone elses before spending alot of money to be disappointed.
CHET

[fullwood]

can some of you other guys that have used loaders chime in and give us less knowledable boaters some advice. Is a loader always faster, or maybe in some applications slower?

[fullwood]

another dumb question, can you overload a impellor?

[cal perf 19]

Call Jack @ MPD he's got it down to a science!
lol BK

[HBjet]

Originally posted by ChetCapoli
Ones you would expect to give big improvements were a waste of time, while pretty basic ones worked the best.
sleekvino, becareful with statments like this and realize every boat is different, so every loader is going to work differently with every hull/power combination and the water conditions you boat in will also play a part on choosing the right loader.
Find a shop you are happy working with and ask to try out some different loaders until you find the one that works best for you. Jack at MPD does seem to have a pretty good idea of what loader works best with what you have/want. Even though Jack had a pretty good idea on what loader would work for me, he still gave me a couple to try out and see what I was happy with.
Not to start a flaming match, but be careful when it comes to loader advice from ChetCapoli. He ran his boat with the loader installed backwards a few times before he knew it wasn't suppose to be like that.
HBjet

[cruser]

Yes it is possible to overload an impeller but the results won't be disastrous, just inefficient. Unless the overload is because you motor just locked up at high speed.
cruzer

[LVjetboy]

I agree with cruser. I think my loader's a bit deep and possibly overloading the intake. So I may gain speed by cutting the leading edges. On the other hand, I get one hellofa bite in the rough which is what lake jets need. I won't trade a couple more mph for less rough water handling. Some choices depend on your application as HBjet posted.
jer

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by HBjet
Not to start a flaming match, but be careful when it comes to loader advice from ChetCapoli. He ran his boat with the loader installed backwards a few times before he knew it wasn't suppose to be like that.
HBjet
LMAO!! you not start a flaming match?? come on now buddy who you kiddin? If your shop "lends" thier stuff out which i find hard to believe(unless your spending money that is) then sleekvino should run right over there. All i was saying is people run right out to CP and buy those loaders for $150 bucks or so and get nothing out of it but an empty wallet. I know that wouldnt bother you but to some people that matters. How many shops do you know let you try 6 or 7 loaders BEFORE even thinking about buying one eh?? Wonder if you can find one bud. Bet you can't. ol squeeky here did though... :p. Call it looking around and being aware of whats out there. Maybe you should try it sometime hmm??
As far as my loader being in backwards....have you ever seen a JR intake moneybags?? I originally had one but got rid of it if you remember correctly. You need to take a look at one(you might have to look UNDERNEATH a boat or two to find one sometimes) and tell me what you see before talking smack. Obviously, you cant run a regular intake loader in a normal intake in backwards. Maybe you dont know that either, you take the "white gloves" road on that too and have people do it for ya....like always. :D Called "writen da check" in your book! BLING BLING!
CHET

[TRG]

if i could afford to write a check to have my boat "professionally" done...and learn about how something works as well as the pro's and con's...i'de prob. be going the same route as HB!!
but then again...if i lived in the north east,...it would prob. cost me a shitpot of money to have something shipped back into civilization to have it done professionally!
do those lakes way up there ever thaw out chet?
it was like 90' out here today! boy! it was a beautiful day out here on the
"WESTCOAST" otherwise known as "SUNNY SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA"
Dont forget to grab that other blanket chet! its gonna be a cold one tonight!
you know my name!
P.S.:mad: my electric bill is going to be through the roof this month!...ive had to use my air cond. way too much for march!!

[HBjet]

Originally posted by ChetCapoli
LMAO!! you not start a flaming match?? come on now buddy who you kiddin? If your shop "lends" thier stuff out which i find hard to believe(unless your spending money that is) then sleekvino should run right over there. All i was saying is people run right out to CP and buy those loaders for $150 bucks or so and get nothing out of it but an empty wallet. I know that wouldnt bother you but to some people that matters. How many shops do you know let you try 6 or 7 loaders BEFORE even thinking about buying one eh?? Wonder if you can find one bud. Bet you can't. ol squeeky here did though... :p. Call it looking around and being aware of whats out there. Maybe you should try it sometime hmm??
As far as my loader being in backwards....have you ever seen a JR intake moneybags?? I originally had one but got rid of it if you remember correctly. You need to take a look at one(you might have to look UNDERNEATH a boat or two to find one sometimes) and tell me what you see before talking smack. Obviously, you cant run a regular intake loader in a normal intake in backwards. Maybe you dont know that either, you take the "white gloves" road on that too and have people do it for ya....like always. :D Called "writen da check" in your book! BLING BLING!
CHET
Don't make me find the quote where you said when you bought the boat, it wasn't that fast and after a few trips, you found out the intake was in backwards....

[HBjet]

sorry for the drama sleekvino!

[OkieDave]

I have a dozen or so different loaders that I use to figure out what to run. They were made by a guy named Dennis Serber who used to run a fsat boat years ago. Its helpful to be able to try different ones on a new boat to see what works best. I've loaned them out to friends.:cool:

[Squirtcha?]

okie, I have access to a couple different loaders, but not twelve. I'm curious............do you recall what worked best on your setup and what the worst and best speeds were? (Assuming that whatever you have in there now resulted in the best). I know every boat is different and will respond in different ways, but like I said, I was just curious.

[riverbound]

I just had my pump redone @GS marine and greg installed a better loader, haven't had the boat on the water yet but I also had the pump blueprinted so I will not know how much improvfement is from the loader.

[TexasJet]

Another source of info is Duane at Hitech Performance, phone 316-794 8616. He has extensive experience is all types of hulls and how to get the best performance.

[ChetCapoli]

Originally posted by HBjet
Don't make me find the quote where you said when you bought the boat, it wasn't that fast and after a few trips, you found out the intake was in backwards....
go ahead and find it pal,be my guest. LIke i just told you R intake....regular intake. There is a difference.
CHET

[OkieDave]

Squitcha, the loaders I have vary greatly. Some were experimental, some for rough water, calm water etc. My all time favorite which I have had best results with in five of my own boats is a cast aluminum peice originally sold by GTH. It is partially center blocked. I don't think you can buy one now. Several racers told me that it would break but I have had it for about 16 years and its in one of my boats now. I modified it so there's an adjustment to raise or lower the back end slightly. It must rest on the floor of the intake towards the rear so all the pressure isn't on the four mounting bolts. Shoe depth plays a role along with loader. Someone recently posted some drawings on loader design which I thought were very informative. You need to install a pressure reading device and see what your intake pressures are with different hardware. Seat of the pants testing is hard to measure. I have heard that some of the whitewater racers don't even run a loader.:confused:

[Jay321]

sleekvino, Depending on the hull type and bottom, a pod just in front of the intake can help charge the pump. Ervin Capps put one on my old TX-19 and it helped a lot. My Cheyenne has a longer drop keel or pod if you will, and loads off the shoe vs. the pod so the set up is different than that of a cheyenne with a small drop that loads off the drop keel. This will influence loader type or as I have sometimes thought of them as blockers or gaits, not letting to much water in esp. at high speeds or under different water conditions. Depending on the type of keel or lack of greatly influences loader type, shoe type and position. A gauge with a tailtell will be a lot of help. My new cheyenne will have a small pod, because they are less sensitive to change in hardware vs. the one I have on my current cheyenne. Try this, put a spoon under running water and watch what the water does about the radius of the spoon!! There is your pod design.