warning. controversial

[Dave C]

here is some excerpts from an interesting article out of the WSJ: (ain't politics grand)
Ever Heard of Insourcing?
By WALTER B. WRISTON
March 24, 2004
The balance of jobs we import from abroad greatly exceeds the jobs we export abroad. Every time a foreign company decides to build a plant or opens an office in the U.S., Americans are put to work to man these facilities. Examples abound. Honda increased its U.S. manufacturing last year by 15%. And it is not only manufacturing that is attracted to our shores, but also intellectual capital. Novartis is moving its huge world-wide research and development operation from Switzerland to Massachusetts. Texas is the beneficiary of a $500 million investment from Samsung to build a new semiconductor plant. In some cases -- described in this paper recently as "the second wave of Nafta" -- Mexico is now able to invest abroad, and that investment is creating "thousands of jobs" for U.S. workers. Many countries with ample capital have poured a steady stream of job-creating investment into the U.S.
The Organization for International Investment keeps track of the number of jobs that are outsourced by other countries to the U.S. While we are exporting some jobs to other countries, the greatest beneficiary of outsourcing is the U.S. itself. We are importing many more jobs than we export. Indeed foreign companies of all kinds from all over the world are attracted to our stable political environment, our relatively low corporate tax rate and the huge growth in productivity by American workers. Many foreign companies trying to compete in the global market carry the cost of the residual socialism found in some European countries, and they look to the U.S. as a far more salubrious business climate.
The latest figures show that as German and Japanese auto makers, foreign drug companies and banks outsource to the U.S., some 6.4 million American jobs were created in 2001, up from 4.9 million in 1991. Contrary to the political static, some 34% of these imported jobs are in the manufacturing sector of our economy. These foreign companies operating in the U.S. are creating more jobs for Americans than homegrown U.S. companies. In the heartland, where the drumbeat against "exporting jobs" is the loudest, data shows that Ohio has imported 242,000 jobs; Indiana has attracted 163,000; and in Michigan some 244,000 jobs, about 6% of the workforce, are imported. And the list goes on. Sometimes the loudest laments originate from the states that have imported the most jobs.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB108009765048763855-IRjf4NolaN3oJ2taIGIbKmAm4,00.html

[Blown 472]

bullshit.

[Mandelon]

Yeah, but will Bush get any credit? :D NO. But he'll be blamed for the ones that go offshore.....:mad: Yup. Just ask Catmando. :rolleyes:

[Stupid Fast]

Between Honda expansions and their parts suppliers expansions...I have fed my family for many years......Money straight from Japan.......Many of their parts supliers are gearing up again. I know of 3 plants that are doubling in size and two that are going a third bigger.....Sombody has to work in them when they are done........
EMC

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
bullshit.
That was intelligent. Great RETORT!
Back your comment up with facts.
I am thinking a editor of the Wall Street Journal has more intelligents in one hair on his head than you have used in your life.
IMO.:rolleyes:

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Blown 472
bullshit.
You should see the Toyota plant in Princton Indiana. It's ****ing HUGE!!! Then go north to Anderson, IN and take a peek at the HUGE Delco and Guide Lamp plants (GM). Only a few cars in the parking lots of the one's that remain open. (that's pretty sad too)

[Dave C]

ya, we have a huge Toyota plant in Norcal. (NUMMI). They assemble Toyotas there because they are near Oakland's port terminal.

[058]

We will not hear about this because the mainstream media doesn't like good news with the Republicans in office. We always hear about the job loss, bad economy, doom and gloom and the average American worker can't compete. Now if we had a Democratic President then we would hear how well the economy is doing and all those tax increases are responsible for the economic recovery.:yuk:

[superdave013]

Originally posted by 058
We will not hear about this because the mainstream media doesn't like good news with the Republicans in office. We always hear about the job loss, bad economy, doom and gloom and the average American worker can't compete. Now if we had a Democratic President then we would hear how well the economy is doing and all those tax increases are responsible for the economic recovery.:yuk:
Bob, You are a Republican?? I never would have guessed that with you being a Ford guy and all. lol You know I'm just kiddin

[Dave C]

Well the author is the former CEO of Citibank so I understand his animosity.
Basic human nature.......;)

[mirvin]

Originally posted by Stupid Fast
Between Honda expansions and their parts suppliers expansions...I have fed my family for many years......Money straight from Japan.......Many of their parts supliers are gearing up again. I know of 3 plants that are doubling in size and two that are going a third bigger.....Sombody has to work in them when they are done........
EMC
While I don't have a problem with any of this I do have a question for Stupid Fast.
Is the money really "straight from Japan"?? Seems to me the money Honda gets comes from us which is why it is feesable for these companys to set up shop here.
mirvin

[ROZ]

Originally posted by mirvin
Honda gets comes from us which is why it is feesable for these companys to set up shop here.
mirvin
Reinvesting in the regions where business is sounds smart to me, how about you? They could move the plants to Mexico or Canada and redistribute our wealth over there....

[mirvin]

Originally posted by ROZ
Reinvesting in the regions where business is sounds smart to me, how about you? They could move the plants to Mexico or Canada and redistribute our wealth over there....
Exactly. I was just questioning the idea that the money Honda invests comes "strait from Japan" as Stupid Fast stated.
mirvin

[Dave C]

they do it to avoid tariffs. so it is a sound business decision.

[HighRoller]

058 makes a good point. Last week was a prime example. Every time I turned on the radio I heard about the stock market dropping, tanking, taking heavy losses, losing ground, tightening up etc...Then,amazingly at the end of the week the results were? The Dow Jones was down a whopping 58 points for the week. How many times have you heard about the economy struggling, the bad economy etc on the nightly news. Have you ever heard them mention that the Dow jones was up 21% last year? Did Dan Rather report that unemployment numbers are now lower than when Clinton left office? Not likely.

[mirvin]

Thank god we have a "NON PARTISAN" news media, huh? I can't even watch the news anymore. Especially local news. What a bunch of slanted dribble.
mirvin

[ROZ]

Originally posted by Dave C
they do it to avoid tariffs. so it is a sound business decision.
That's the obvious, we didn't think they were being PC...lol :D

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
That was intelligent. Great RETORT!
Back your comment up with facts.
I am thinking a editor of the Wall Street Journal has more intelligents in one hair on his head than you have used in your life.
IMO.:rolleyes:
Yup, you're right just a dumb **** outa work slack jaw mutha ****er. Tell it to all the people in the paper industry your so ****ing smart.

[Stupid Fast]

Originally posted by mirvin
Exactly. I was just questioning the idea that the money Honda invests comes "strait from Japan" as Stupid Fast stated.
mirvin
It was kinda to make a point....They could be in China, Mexico, or anywhere else, but Our Government makes it profitable for them to build here.
Also alot of the parts suppliers ship directly over seas.
But yeah, it is mostly American dollars..:rolleyes:

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Yup, you're right, your so ****ing smart.
Thank you!
What kind of job are you looking for?

[SoCalOffshore]

In this world and "global economy" you need to constantly change, adapt and improve or you will be left behind This not only goes for individuals, but busines's and whole sectors of the economy.

[framer1]

That was intelligent. Great RETORT!
What's new:rolleyes:

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
Thank you!
What kind of job are you looking for?
Engineering.

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Engineering.
Mechanical?
Civil?
Chemical?
Corrosion?

[Blown 472]

Mechanical

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Mechanical
If you cut and dye your hair (if that is you in your avatar) ;) I'll ask around. What city are you looking in?
This is for California.
EMPLOYMENT OUTLOOK
The following information is from the California Projections of
Employment published by the Labor Market Information Division.
Estimated number of workers in 1993 24,290
Estimated number of workers in 2005 31,710
Projected Growth 1993-2005 31%
Estimated openings due to separations by 2005 7,740
(These figures do not include self-employment or openings due to
turnover.)
The employment outlook for Mechanical Engineers nationally is expected to increase about as fast as the average for all other occupations. Some growth will occur as US manufacturers turn to cost-saving technologies, including robotics and automation to improve their productivity. Other opportunities will occur in high tech fields such as bioengineering, computer mechanics, composite materials, cryogenics and thermosciences. Engineers with skills in CAD, computer-integrated-manufacturing (CIM), robotics and other forefront technologies will be the most competitive.

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
If you cut and dye your hair (if that is you in your avatar) ;) I'll ask around. What city are you looking in?
This is for California.
EMPLOYMENT OUTLOOK
The following information is from the California Projections of
Employment published by the Labor Market Information Division.
Estimated number of workers in 1993 24,290
Estimated number of workers in 2005 31,710
Projected Growth 1993-2005 31%
Estimated openings due to separations by 2005 7,740
(These figures do not include self-employment or openings due to
turnover.)
The employment outlook for Mechanical Engineers nationally is expected to increase about as fast as the average for all other occupations. Some growth will occur as US manufacturers turn to cost-saving technologies, including robotics and automation to improve their productivity. Other opportunities will occur in high tech fields such as bioengineering, computer mechanics, composite materials, cryogenics and thermosciences. Engineers with skills in CAD, computer-integrated-manufacturing (CIM), robotics and other forefront technologies will be the most competitive.
Interesting, unlike sunny cali the midwest doesn't work that way. I know what is out there and have my resume to all of them. Considering that there is about 70 of those type jobs in the twenty counties around me and about 700 people applying to them odds are not to good.

[Wet Dream]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Interesting, unlike sunny cali the midwest doesn't work that way. I know what is out there and have my resume to all of them. Considering that there is about 70 of those type jobs in the twenty counties around me and about 700 people applying to them odds are not to good.
Have you ever thought about relocating?

[superdave013]

Originally posted by Wet Dream
Have you ever thought about relocating?
Note, my comment about the empty parking lots in Anderson, IN at the Guide Lamp and Delco plants.
I left that hell hole a long time ago and never looked back.
Blown, pack yo shit bro!

[058]

Originally posted by superdave013
Bob, You are a Republican?? I never would have guessed that with you being a Ford guy and all. lol You know I'm just kiddin Who....Me???.....Nahhhh:D :D :D

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by Wet Dream
Have you ever thought about relocating?
Yup, I am on the 12 year plan, when my kid goes to college I am gone, leaving the frozen waste land for warmer boat year round drag race more than 5 months part of the country.

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Yup, I am on the 12 year plan, when my kid goes to college I am gone, leaving the frozen waste land for warmer boat year round drag race more than 5 months part of the country.
Look into going to South Mississippi, take your kids, there are a lot of mechanical engineering jobs available in that area and it is a good place for kids.
Try Gulfport. ANYTHING but, California:p

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
Look into going to South Mississippi, take your kids, there are a lot of mechanical engineering jobs available in that area and it is a good place for kids.
Try Gulfport. ANYTHING but, California:p
I am not moving back there.:wink:

[Mandelon]

Dang Blown, for such a big rude ugly fukker, you sure are charming. :D

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
I am not moving back there.:wink:
Oh, PLEASE, God.. Tell me this means he's not coming back to California:D

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
Oh, PLEASE, God.. Tell me this means he's not coming back to California:D
If I left there, why would I move back??

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
I am gone, leaving the frozen waste land for warmer boat year round drag race more than 5 months part of the country.
:confused:

[Blown 472]

Originally posted by OGShocker
:confused:
Believe it or not there are other parts of the country besides cali, ever been out of the state?

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Believe it or not there are other parts of the country besides cali, ever been out of the state?
I have to Pacoima...once.

[Blown 472]

Lucky you. I am thinking northern georgia or southern north carolina area.

[OGShocker]

Boy did we highjack the hell out of this tread!
Good for you those are both GREAT areas...

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Dave C
here is some excerpts from an interesting article out of the WSJ: (ain't politics grand)
Ever Heard of Insourcing?
By WALTER B. WRISTON
March 24, 2004
The balance of jobs we import from abroad greatly exceeds the jobs we export abroad. Every time a foreign company decides to build a plant or opens an office in the U.S., Americans are put to work to man these facilities. Examples abound. Honda increased its U.S. manufacturing last year by 15%. And it is not only manufacturing that is attracted to our shores, but also intellectual capital. Novartis is moving its huge world-wide research and development operation from Switzerland to Massachusetts. Texas is the beneficiary of a $500 million investment from Samsung to build a new semiconductor plant. In some cases -- described in this paper recently as "the second wave of Nafta" -- Mexico is now able to invest abroad, and that investment is creating "thousands of jobs" for U.S. workers. Many countries with ample capital have poured a steady stream of job-creating investment into the U.S.
The Organization for International Investment keeps track of the number of jobs that are outsourced by other countries to the U.S. While we are exporting some jobs to other countries, the greatest beneficiary of outsourcing is the U.S. itself. We are importing many more jobs than we export. Indeed foreign companies of all kinds from all over the world are attracted to our stable political environment, our relatively low corporate tax rate and the huge growth in productivity by American workers. Many foreign companies trying to compete in the global market carry the cost of the residual socialism found in some European countries, and they look to the U.S. as a far more salubrious business climate.
The latest figures show that as German and Japanese auto makers, foreign drug companies and banks outsource to the U.S., some 6.4 million American jobs were created in 2001, up from 4.9 million in 1991. Contrary to the political static, some 34% of these imported jobs are in the manufacturing sector of our economy. These foreign companies operating in the U.S. are creating more jobs for Americans than homegrown U.S. companies. In the heartland, where the drumbeat against "exporting jobs" is the loudest, data shows that Ohio has imported 242,000 jobs; Indiana has attracted 163,000; and in Michigan some 244,000 jobs, about 6% of the workforce, are imported. And the list goes on. Sometimes the loudest laments originate from the states that have imported the most jobs.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB108009765048763855-IRjf4NolaN3oJ2taIGIbKmAm4,00.html
My bad.....;)

[Stupid Fast]

Originally posted by Blown 472
Lucky you. I am thinking northern georgia or southern north carolina area.
Not quite norther Georga but Brunswick area is awsome. The golden Isles are absolutely beautiful and not super commercialized.

[Dave C]

not to beat a dead horse, but: (excerpt)
ITAA/Global Insight Study Finds IT Outsourcing Results in Net U.S. Job Growth
The in-depth Study found that global sourcing of computer software and services, while displacing some IT workers, actually benefits the U.S. economy and increases the number of U.S. jobs. According to Study findings, the U.S. economy has much to gain from global sourcing and an environment of free trade, open markets and robust competition. Benefits include job creation,
higher real wages, higher real GDP growth, contained inflation and expanded exports resulting in increased economic activity
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=SVBIZINK4.story&STORY=/www/story/03-30-2004/0002137661&EDATE=TUE+Mar+30+2004,+01:30+PM

[Riverhound]

Another good example would be Hyundai's new plant scheduled to open March 2005 in Montgomery Alabama. The initial investment topped 1 billion and has already spured vendors to start building plants nearby to service it. Mercedes and Nissan have also built plants near and have jointly created thousands of good paying jobs filled by American workers.