buddys new boat

[boatnam2]

man just talked with a old buddy he is buying 22ft essex with a 6.2 I REPEAT A 6.2 for 57,000 bucks.man what is that about 65k for a 22FT boat with a stock 496.whew prices are getting steep.

[jackpunx]

tell him to spend 10 or so more and get a stoker with a hp 500

[Larry Nebb]

Originally posted by RiverDave
I thought the 496 was an 8.1?
RD
you would be very correct on that one

[boatnam2]

rd he got the 6.2 which i beleive is a 373.i was thinking to myself what it would be with a 496 mag.

[Mandelon]

There are a lot of underpowered mid sized boats for sale that are only a year or two old. A lot of them have that motor in it...
Not enough juice.......

[rrrr]

What he meant was:
22 ft/6.2 equals $57K
so
22ft/8.1 must equal around $65K
PAY ATTENTION!!!! :p :D

[DeltaSigBoater]

Originally posted by rrrr
What he meant was:
22 ft/6.2 equals $57K
so
22ft/8.1 must equal around $65K
PAY ATTENTION!!!! :p :D
I wonder what the 8.2 (502ci) package cost?

[ROZ]

Originally posted by boatnam2
rd he got the 6.2 which i beleive is a 373.i was thinking to myself what it would be with a 496 mag.
Isn't that the scorpion, or is the scoprion a 383?

[Lightning]

Originally posted by RiverDave
Well, let me start by saying Essex is a GREAT Boat!! :) and I've never said anything bad about them online..
But for 57Grand with a 6.2 they can keep it.. !!!
RD
Have you said anything bad about them offline?

[roln 20s]

Isn't that the scorpion, or is the scoprion a 383?
I believe the scorpion is 377, I would assume the 6.2 is also.
Essex is a really nice boat, but man, that is a lot of money for a 22' boat by any company (not saying its not worth it, its just alot).
Roln 20s

[Mandelon]

6.2 is a 350 with a longer stroke and is the 377 I believe. .......I think the Scorpion was also 377, but must have something else to make it special and get that nifty Scorpion name on it...
http://www.mercurymarine.com/uploads/97/MX62MPISD.gif

[DeltaSigBoater]

From the Mercury Marine website
5.7 = 350ci
6.2 = 377ci (MPI, MPI Horizon, Scorpion & Black Scorpion)
8.1 = 496ci
8.2 = 502ci
9.1 = 557ci @ 1075hp

[DeltaSigBoater]

not trying to ruffel any feathers here, but Mercury does not build a 383ci. If they did it would be a 6.3
377 cubic inch = 6.17 liter is rounded up to 6.2 while 383 cubic inch = 6.27 liter is rounded up to 6.3

[Scream]

That's a lot for that boat. I paid not much more than that for my 26' with a 496 HO...

[Hustler]

Originally posted by roln 20s
I believe the scorpion is 377, I would assume the 6.2 is also.
Essex is a really nice boat, but man, that is a lot of money for a 22' boat by any company (not saying its not worth it, its just alot).
Roln 20s
Do you really believe that it is worth that much? Come on 57g's for a 22:eek!: Essex better be packing some bags full of gas money under the seats for that cost.
I yes I think it's a rip off, these boat companies now days are out of control:frown:

[Mandelon]

Damn feather rufflers............Its still the small block. I think a boat that big needs to BBC or will be underpowered. I'd rather have 425HP and use less of it than have 320 HP and have to use all of it.
Man--->496MagHO with 425HP<----delon :D

[1stepcloser]

Originally posted by Mandelon
I'd rather have 475HP and use less of it
Yeah.....like that's gonna happen....:D

[boatnam2]

hustler that whats i was trying to say.not really knocking essex because i know all the other builders are right there.but man 60k for a 21ft boat with stock power is getting a little ridiculous.

[mbrown2]

The Vortex is beautiful boat and would be 2nd choice the Howard 22 for me, but 57K...is outrageous...My buddy paid 68 for a Hallet 255 in Sept of 02..

[cc322]

he could get a Lavey 24 nuera for that price:p

[rivercrazy]

You could get some outstanding quality 24-25 footers with the same motor package from some very reputable and well thought of builders for that price!

[Dribble]

Just a few months ago Essex quoted my buddy $59,000 for a 24 Valor with a 496.

[PHOTOGLOU]

Man I just sold a 2 year old Fountain with twin 350 mpi's for $57,000 I THINK I SOLD IT TO CHEAP

[PHOTOGLOU]

29 foot

[jbtrailerjim]

57K is outrageous for a 22ft Essex Vortex with only a 6.2. Last summer they quoted me 55k for a 24 Valor with a 496Mag and they quoted me 68k for a 25 Tempest with a 496Mag (not that I would have considered that ugly thing). The Sanchez brothers are gettin awfully proud of there boats.
Back in 95 I bought my 22ft Essex with a 350 for around $29,000 out the door. Oh, and yes it was under powered. That's one of the reasons I sold it.

[redneckgirl]

I would have him check out Shockwave... That seems very high for a 22 with the 6.2... We have the Shockwave 21' Step Skier with the 6.2, granted it is not the fastest boat on the lake but will do 65 all day long... we didn't pay anything close to that... :D :D :D We have a friend with the 22 Vortex with a 496HO and he rarely sees 70MPH. :D :D
RNG

[Jrocket]

Tell him to come up with alittle more cash and Ill sell him the DCB!
http://www.highperformancecars.com/jrocket/2000_dcb_mach26_014.jpg

[havasuaddicted661]

man 57k for a 22 footer...my buddy just bought a 24 foot Lavey and paid 67 for it with a 496...

[boatnam2]

was that you on the freeway last night jr.shit we could carpool since your in a company truck!

[boatnam2]

i told him that sounds a little exspensive for a small block but he insisted that essex dosent move on there quotes and that is the price.he also said it would do 73 which i bet my ass he will be happy to see63 with the bravo three.

[HavasuDreamin']

$57k...............hmmmm.........I would have a 2-3 year old 25' Daytona. Saw a bunch of them on the boat trader online yesterday for under $60K.
Your buddy should think about resale. When your buddy goes to sell that boat in two or three years because of "twofootidis" he will be taking a major depreciation hit. Open bow 21' and 22' boats are a dime a dozen in the used market place and he is going to have to dump it cheap (compared to what he has in it) to compete with all the other open bows for sale.
Good Luck to your buddy.........but he should listen to some of the advice here.

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Essex does not move on their price, it is what it is.
While I agree that $57k for a 22 Vortex with the 6.2 is steep, and underpowered, it is what the market will bare. If people will pay that much, they will continue to sell them for that much. If the market demands a lower price then the price will fall. It's all what the market will bare.

[Waldo]

HD, your comments are true...it's just like the housing market today.

[boatnam2]

i totally agree with you hd people are going to pay it and thats the bottom line.

[DeepVee]

Man I paid less than $50K for this new 22 foot boat and it's got a Blue motor. Plus it's one of only 3 made with the 500EFI, external steering, K-Planes, etc. etc.
http://www.donzi.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1002

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Originally posted by RiverDave
Essex won't discount their price at all, but they sure don't have any problems jacking it up to a point that seems unreasonable to me.. 57K for a small block? Hell 57K even with a big block sounds pricey..
RD
You're right Dave, it is pricey, even with a big block. But people continue to buy them at that price so the price will continue to stay there, and almost assuredly rise. Every year the prices in the boat industry go up a few thousand and no one will ever convince me that the cost to actually build the boat has gone up that much from one season to the next.

[roln 20s]

Every year the prices in the boat industry go up a few thousand and no one will ever convince me that the cost to actually build the boat has gone up that much from one season to the next.
I totally agree with this HD--but alot of the manufactures blame it on the Merc raising their costs every June. Either way, someone is making more money on nothing...and its not me, so I'm not happy!
Roln 20s

[mbrown2]

Originally posted by roln 20s
I totally agree with this HD--but alot of the manufactures blame it on the Merc raising their costs every June. Either way, someone is making more money on nothing...and its not me, so I'm not happy!
Roln 20s
I hear ya Rol'n, but I don't entirely buy the merc thing...yes, that is expensive, but what if you go with a Teague Motor; it seems be more....I think it is just supply and demand and what the consumer will bear...if the consumer will bear it, they will supply it and demand that you pay it..:D

[BENZEEN]

Originally posted by boatnam2
i told him that sounds a little exspensive for a small block but he insisted that essex dosent move on there quotes and that is the price.he also said it would do 73 which i bet my ass he will be happy to see63 with the bravo three.
Boatnam2,
I have a 22 Vortex, in fact it is the one in used in the 03 January issue of HB. I had them remove the 496HO and opted for the 496MAG. I can tell you that my boat sees nowhere near 70MPH. If your buddy wants real world numbers, PM me. There is a whole lot of MPH bullshit over there.
They build a solid boat, top notch. But they are way optimistic about top speed. If you look at any HB test of an Essex, the MFG est. speed is usually 5 MPH higher than the actual.
By the way, I purchased my boat Dec. 2002, 496MAG, Premium Audio set up 55K OTD.
-Vik

[RiverToysJas]

Originally posted by boatnam2
man just talked with a old buddy he is buying 22ft essex with a 6.2 I REPEAT A 6.2 for 57,000 bucks.man what is that about 65k for a 22FT boat with a stock 496.whew prices are getting steep.
Shit Jim, I wish I had known!!! I would have sold him my Lavey with the 496 for $56,000. Oh well... ;)
RTJas :D

[Havasu_Dreamin]

Originally posted by RiverToysJas
Shit Jim, I wish I had known!!! I would have sold him my Lavey with the 496 for $56,000. Oh well... ;)
RTJas :D
With or without a deposit? LMAO :p

[CARGUY]

Once interest rates rise, and they will, these boat prices will drop. With interest rates in the low 5's, and equity loans even lower, people are inking up to more than normal, and the builders are well aware of this.
Once rates rise builders will take less of a margin to keep their shops busy!!!!
Just my 02.

[RiverToysJas]

Originally posted by Havasu_Dreamin
With or without a deposit? LMAO :p
Cash only, but get it to me whenever you feel like it! ;)
LMAO!!!
BTW, if you're getting a loan for the money it's $65,000 firm. :p
RTJas :D

[Ivan Dan]

Hey Jim~
Tell your buddy to look at the 23' Dana open bow. Its a super solid boat and I know several people who own them and they are extremely happy. I priced one before I bought my ride and they told me $49k out the door with a 496HO and it runs a solid 70mph.
I think that price for the Essex sounds totally outrageous if I was him I would keep looking.

[CBLavey]

A few years ago Hot Boat tested the 22 Vortex with a 377 Scorpion, (350hp) and I think it ran about 67-68 mph. They've since tested the same hull with a 496 MAG HO, (425hp) maybe twice and I don't think that it has ever been as fast as the 377 was.
My 21 Lavey is powered by the 6.2MX, (320hp) and while it's not as fast as the 496 MAG or the MAG HO, I definitely would not consider it underpowered.... :cool: :cool: :cool:

[SLAPPING_GLASS]

I know tthere not as popular as alot of the other boats but i purchased a 03 Aftershock 21ft Toronado open bow with the 6.2 I/O last year from them.does 62 to 65 depending on water and prop all day full or empty.I know Essex is a fine boat but please show me why it is $20.000 more.$20,000 can by alot of gas and beer.Well there is my dollars worth.

[BENZEEN]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBLavey
[B]A few years ago Hot Boat tested the 22 Vortex with a 377 Scorpion, (350hp) and I think it ran about 67-68 mph. They've since tested the same hull with a 496 MAG HO, (425hp) maybe twice and I don't think that it has ever been as fast as the 377 was.
A couple years ago they fiddled with the bottom to make it a little more stable. That cost them a couple mile an hour.

[Vortexman]

My wife and I bought a brand new Vortex at the end of last year (03). We love the boat. I opted for the 496HO with the X drive (We did not pay 65K tho). We went to lake Mohave this February and the boat ran 75 on the Gaffrig Guage.
I am wondering what a GPS gauge would read.... could be higher... could be lower.
I definitely feel that I spent too much.... but I love the looks of the 22 Vortex and all of the lines on it. The quality is there and Essex has taken care of everything that they said they would.:)
I definitely have seen an increase in the price from when we bought ours back in October!!!

[rivercrazy]

From my experience, the speedo's are 5-8 MPH hot....

[Vortexman]

Originally posted by rivercrazy
From my experience, the speedo's are 5-8 MPH hot....
Really? Wow, that is a big difference. I have talked to some that have said it was the other way around also. I would love to find out.

[rivercrazy]

I hope your speedo is accurate. My boat reads up to 78 on the speedo but only 72-73 on GPS.....
GPS Sucks! :D

[Vortexman]

GPS Sucks! :D [/B][/QUOTE]
haahhaha... no kidding. Damn accurate gauges!!!

[NastyNebs]

I just got a 2001 Essex 21' for 33K, has 19 hours on the 496HO, also comes with all accessories, I think I gotta pretty good deal

[K9Blitz]

I've found the MPH gauge to read about 4 - 5 mph faster. At 65 mph (GPS) the gauge reads about 70 mph.
When talkin' top speed you have to consider the overall weight of the boat. I went with Essex because they put a lot of material in their hulls aka heavier. The thing rides great through the chop on Mohave and like a cadillac on the glass.
They are pricey, but in line with the other top of the line boats.
You might die tomorrow or at the end of the year. Being on the new boat out on the lake, the cold beer and the company of the greatest friends has paid back the "outrageous" price ten-fold.

[phebus]

Originally posted by K9Blitz
You might die tomorrow or at the end of the year. Being on the new boat out on the lake, the cold beer and the company of the greatest friends has paid back the "outrageous" price ten-fold.
Amen. My biggest fear is to be lying on my death bed wishing I'd have done something I never did!