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Jbb
04-28-2004, 11:25 AM
A bit long winded...but an important read..Please indulge me
The following article was written by Lieutenant Colonel M.R. Strobl, USMC who is assigned to MCCDC Quantico, Virginia and served as the officer who escorted the remains of PFC C. Phelps USMC from Dover AFB, Deleware to his home.
PFC Phelps was assigned to 3rd Battalion, 11th Marines – an artillery unit functioning as a provisional infantry battalion during Operation Iraqi Freedom. PFC Phelps was killed in action from a gunshot wound received on 9 Apr 04 during combat operations west of Baghdad. He was buried in Dubois, West Virginia on 17 Apr 04.
This my friends, is why the press should not be free to film/photograph caskets returning from Iraq. Now, if a family decides it's okay to have their loved one's casket photographed, it is certainly their choice. But that should be the exception, not the norm. The fallen have done their duty and don't need to be used as pawns to wage a war of political opinion. Let them rest in peace.
Chance Phelps was wearing his Saint Christopher medal when he was killed on Good Friday. Eight days later, I handed the medallion to his mother. I didnÂ’t know Chance before he died. Today, I miss him.
Over a year ago, I volunteered to escort the remains of Marines killed in Iraq should the need arise. The military provides a uniformed escort for all casualties to ensure they are delivered safely to the next of kin and are treated with dignity and respect along the way.
Thankfully, I hadn’t been called on to be an escort since Operation Iraqi Freedom began. The first few weeks of April, however, had been a tough month for the Marines. On the Monday after Easter I was reviewing Department of Defense press releases when I saw that a Private First Class Chance Phelps was killed in action outside of Baghdad. The press release listed his hometown—the same town I’m from. I notified our Battalion adjutant and told him that, should the duty to escort PFC Phelps fall to our Battalion, I would take him.
I didnÂ’t hear back the rest of Monday and all day Tuesday until 1800. The Battalion duty NCO called my cell phone and said I needed to be ready to leave for Dover Air Force Base at 1900 in order to escort the remains of PFC Phelps.
Before leaving for Dover I called the major who had the task of informing PhelpsÂ’s parents of his death. The major said the funeral was going to be in Dubois, Wyoming. (It turned out that PFC Phelps only lived in my hometown for his senior year of high school.) I had never been to Wyoming and had never heard of Dubois.
With two other escorts from Quantico, got to Dover AFB at 2330 on Tuesday night. First thing on Wednesday we reported to the mortuary at the base. In the escort lounge there were about half a dozen Army soldiers and about an equal number of Marines waiting to meet up with “their” remains for departure. PFC Phelps was not ready, however, and I was told to come back on Thursday. Now, at Dover with nothing to do and a solemn mission ahead, I began to get depressed.
I was wondering about Chance Phelps. I didnÂ’t know anything about him; not even what he looked like. I wondered about his family and what it would be like to meet them. I did pushups in my room until I couldnÂ’t do any more.
On Thursday morning I reported back to the mortuary. This time there was a new group of Army escorts and a couple of the Marines who had been there Wednesday. There was also an Air Force captain there to escort his brother home to San Diego.
We received a brief covering our duties, the proper handling of the remains, the procedures for draping a flag over a casket, and of course, the paperwork attendant to our task. We were shown pictures of the shipping container and told that each one contained, in addition to the casket, a flag. I was given an extra flag since PhelpsÂ’s parents were divorced. This way they would each get one. I didnÂ’t like the idea of stuffing the flag into my luggage but I couldnÂ’t see carrying a large flag, folded for presentation to the next of kin, through an airport while in my Alpha uniform. It barely fit into my suitcase.
It turned out that I was the last escort to leave on Thursday. This meant that I repeatedly got to participate in the small ceremonies that mark all departures from the Dover AFB mortuary.
Most of the remains are taken from Dover AFB by hearse to the airport in Philadelphia for air transport to their final destination. When the remains of a service member are loaded onto a hearse and ready to leave the Dover mortuary, there is an announcement made over the buildingÂ’s intercom system. With the announcement, all service members working at the mortuary, regardless of service branch, stop work and form up along the driveway to render a slow ceremonial salute as the hearse departs. Escorts also participated in each formation until it was their time to leave.
On this day there were some civilian workers doing construction on the mortuary grounds. As each hearse passed, they would stoop working and place their hard hats over their hearts. This was my first sign that my mission with PFC Phelps was larger than the Marine Corps and that his family and friends were not grieving alone.
Eventually I was the last escort remaining in the lounge. The Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant in charge of the Marine liaison there came to see me. He had Chance PhelpsÂ’s personal effects. He removed each item; a large watch, a wooden cross with a lanyard, two loose dog tags, two dog tags on a chain, and a Saint Christopher medal on a silver chain. Although we had been briefed that we might be carrying some personal effects of the deceased, this set me aback. Holding his personal effects, I was starting to get to know Chance Phelps.
Finally we were ready. I grabbed my bags and went outside. I was somewhat startled when I saw the shipping container, loaded three-quarters of the way in to the back of a black Chevy Suburban that had been modified to carry such cargo. This was the first time I saw my “cargo” and I was surprised at how large the shipping container was. The Master Gunnery Sergeant and I verified that the name on the container was Phelps’s then they pushed him the rest of the way in and we left. Now it was PFC Chance Phelps’s turn to receive the military—and construction workers’—honors. He was finally moving towards home.
As I chatted with the driver on the hour-long trip to Philadelphia, it became clear that he considered it an honor to be able to contribute in getting Chance home. He offered his sympathy to the family. I was glad to finally be moving yet apprehensive about what things would be like at the airport. I didnÂ’t want this package to be treated like ordinary cargo yet I knew that the simple logistics of moving around a box this large would have to overrule my preferences.
When we got to the Northwest Airlines cargo terminal at the Philadelphia airport, the cargo handler and hearse driver pulled the shipping container onto a loading bay while I stood to the side and executed a slow salute. Once Chance was safely in the cargo area, and I was satisfied that he would be treated with due care and respect, the hearse driver drove me over to the passenger terminal and dropped me off.
As I walked up to the ticketing counter in my uniform, a Northwest employee started to ask me if I knew how to use the automated boarding pass dispenser. Before she could finish another ticketing agent interrupted her. He told me to go straight to the counter then explained to the woman that I was a military escort. She seemed embarrassed. The woman behind the counter already had tears in her eyes as I was pulling out my government travel voucher. She struggled to find words but managed to express her sympathy for the family and thank me for my service. She upgraded my ticket to first class.
After clearing security, I was met by another Northwest Airline employee at the gate. She told me a representative from cargo would be up to take me down to the tarmac to observe the movement and loading of PFC Phelps. I hadnÂ’t really told any of them what my mission was but they all knew.
When the man from the cargo crew met me, he, too, struggled for words. On the tarmac, he told me stories of his childhood as a military brat and repeatedly told me that he was sorry for my loss. I was starting to understand that, even here in Philadelphia, far away from ChanceÂ’s hometown, people were mourning with his family.
On the tarmac, the cargo crew was silent expect for occasional instructions to each other. I stood to the side and saluted as the conveyor moved Chance to the aircraft. I was relieved when he was finally settled into place. The rest of the bags were loaded and I watched them shut the cargo bay door before heading back up to board the aircraft.
One of the pilots had taken my carry-on bag himself and had it stored next to the cockpit door so he could watch it while I was on the tarmac. As I boarded the plane, I could tell immediately that the flight attendants had already been informed of my mission. They seemed a little choked up as they led me to my seat.
About 45 minutes into our flight I still hadn’t spoken to anyone expect to tell the first class flight attendant that I would prefer water. I was surprised when the flight attendant from the back of the plane suddenly appeared and leaned down to grab my hands. She said, “I want you to have this” as she pushed a small gold crucifix, with a relief of Jesus, into my hand. It was her lapel pin and it looked somewhat worn. I suspected it had been hers for quite some time. That was the only thing she said to me the entire flight.
When we landed in Minneapolis, I was the first one off the plane. The pilot himself escorted me straight down the side stairs of the exit tunnel to the tarmac. The cargo crew there already knew what was on this plane. They were unloading some of the luggage when an Army sergeant, a fellow escort who had left Dover earlier that day, appeared next to me. His “cargo” was going to be loaded onto my plane for its continuing leg. We stood side-by-side in the dark and executed a slow salute as Chance was removed from the plane. The cargo crew at Minneapolis kept Phelps’s shipping case separate from all the other luggage as they waited to take us to the cargo area. I waited with the soldier and we saluted together as his fallen comrade was loaded onto the plane.
My trip with Chance was going to be somewhat unusual in that we were going to have an overnight stopover. We had a late start out of Dover and there was just too much traveling ahead of us to continue on that day. (We still had a flight from Minneapolis to Billings, Montana, then a five-hour drive to the funeral home. That was to be followed by a 90-minute drive to ChanceÂ’s hometown.)
I was concerned about leaving him overnight in the Minneapolis cargo area. My ten-minute ride from the tarmac to the cargo holding area eased my apprehension. Just as in Philadelphia, the cargo guys in Minneapolis were extremely respectful and seemed honored to do their part. While talking with them, I learned that the cargo supervisor for Northwest Airlines at the Minneapolis airport is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Marine Corps Reserves. They called him for me and let me talk to him.
Once I was satisfied that all would be okay for the night, I asked one of the cargo crew if he would take me back to the terminal so that I could catch my hotelÂ’s shuttle. Instead, he drove me straight to the hotel himself. At the hotel, the Lieutenant Colonel called me and said he would personally pick me up in the morning and bring me back to the cargo area.
Before leaving the airport, I had told the cargo crew that I wanted to come back to the cargo area in the morning rather than go straight to the passenger terminal. I felt bad for leaving Chance overnight and wanted to see the shipping container where I had left it for the night. It was fine.
The Lieutenant Colonel made a few phone calls then drove me around to the passenger terminal. I was met again by a man from the cargo crew and escorted down to the tarmac. The pilot of the plane joined me as I waited for them to bring Chance from the cargo area. The pilot and I talked of his service in the Air Force and how he missed it.
I saluted as Chance was moved up the conveyor and onto the plane. It was to be a while before the luggage was to be loaded so the pilot took me up to the board the plane where I could watch the tarmac from a window. With no other passengers yet on board, I talked with the flight attendants and one of the cargo guys. He had been in the Navy and one of the attendants had been in the Air Force. Everywhere I went, people were continuing to tell me their relationship to the military. After all the baggage was aboard, I went back down to the tarmac, inspected the cargo bay, and watched them secure the door.
When we arrived at Billings, I was again the first off the plane. This time ChanceÂ’s shipping container was the first item out of the cargo hold. The funeral director had driven five hours up from Riverton, Wyoming to meet us. He shook my hand as if I had personally lost a brother.
We moved Chance to a secluded cargo area. Now it was time for me to remove the shipping container and drape the flag over the casket. I had predicted that this would choke me up but I found I was more concerned with proper flag etiquette than the solemnity of the moment.
Once the flag was in place, I stood by and saluted as Chance was loaded onto the van from the funeral home. I was thankful that we were in a small airport and the event seemed to go mostly unnoticed. I picked up my rental car and followed Chance for five hours until we reached Riverton. During the long trip I imagined how my meeting with ChanceÂ’s parents would go. I was very nervous about that.
When we finally arrived at the funeral home, I had my first face-to-face meeting with the Casualty Assistance Call Officer. It had been his duty to inform the family of ChanceÂ’s death. He was on the Inspector/Instructor staff of an infantry company in Salt Lake City, Utah and I knew he had had a difficult week.
Inside I gave the funeral director some of the paperwork from Dover and discussed the plan for the next day. The service was to be at 1400 in the high school gymnasium up in Dubois, population about 900, some 90 miles away. Eventually, we had covered everything. The CACO had some items that the family wanted to be inserted into the casket and I felt I needed to inspect ChanceÂ’s uniform to ensure everything was proper. Although it was going to be a closed casket funeral, I still wanted to ensure his uniform was squared away.
Earlier in the day I wasn’t sure how I’d handle this moment. Suddenly, the casket was open and I got my first look at Chance Phelps. His uniform was immaculate—a tribute to the professionalism of the Marines at Dover. I noticed that he wore six ribbons over his marksmanship badge; the senior one was his Purple Heart. I had been in the Corps for over 17 years, including a combat tour, and was wearing eight ribbons. This Private First Class, with less than a year in the Corps, had already earned six.
The next morning, I wore my dress blues and followed the hearse for the trip up to Dubois. This was the most difficult leg of our trip for me. I was bracing for the moment when I would meet his parents and hoping I would find the right words as I presented them with ChanceÂ’s personal effects.
We got to the high school gym about four hours before the service was to begin. The gym floor was covered with folding chairs neatly lined in rows. There were a few townspeople making final preparations when I stood next to the hearse and saluted as Chance was moved out of the hearse. The sight of a flag-draped coffin was overwhelming to some of the ladies.
We moved Chance into the gym to the place of honor. A Marine sergeant, the command representative from ChanceÂ’s battalion, met me at the gym. His eyes were watery as he relieved me of watching Chance so that I could go eat lunch and find my hotel.
At the restaurant, the table had a flier announcing ChanceÂ’s service. Dubois High School gym; two oÂ’ clock. It also said that the family would be accepting donations so that they could buy flak vests to send to troops in Iraq.
I drove back to the gym at a quarter after one. I could’ve walked—you could walk to just about anywhere in Dubois in ten minutes. I had planned to find a quiet room where I could take his things out of their pouch and untangle the chain of the Saint Christopher medal from the dog tag chains and arrange everything before his parents came in. I had twice before removed the items from the pouch to ensure they were all there—even though there was no chance anything could’ve fallen out. Each time, the two chains had been quite tangled. I didn’t want to be fumbling around trying to untangle them in front of his parents. Our meeting, however, didn’t go as expected.
I practically bumped into ChanceÂ’s step-mom accidentally and our introductions began in the noisy hallway outside the gym. In short order I had met ChanceÂ’s step-mom and father followed by his step-dad and, at last, his mom. I didnÂ’t know how to express to these people my sympathy for their loss and my gratitude for their sacrifice. Now, however, they were repeatedly thanking me for bringing their son home and for my service. I was humbled beyond words.
I told them that I had some of Chance’s things and asked if we could try to find a quiet place. The five of us ended up in what appeared to be a computer lab—not what I had envisioned for this occasion.
After we had arranged five chairs around a small table, I told them about our trip. I told them how, at every step, Chance was treated with respect, dignity, and honor. I told them about the staff at Dover and all the folks at Northwest Airlines. I tried to convey how the entire Nation, from Dover to Philadelphia, to Minneapolis, to Billings, and Riverton expressed grief and sympathy over their loss.
Finally, it was time to open the pouch. The first item I happened to pull out was ChanceÂ’s large watch. It was still set to Baghdad time. Next were the lanyard and the wooden cross. Then the dog tags and the Saint Christopher medal. This time the chains were not tangled. Once all of his items were laid out on the table, I told his mom that I had one other item to give them. I retrieved the flight attendantÂ’s crucifix from my pocket and told its story. I set that on the table and excused myself. When I next saw ChanceÂ’s mom, she was wearing the crucifix on her lapel.
By 1400 most of the seats on the gym floor were filled and people were finding seats in the fixed bleachers high above the gym floor. There were a surprising number of people in military uniform. Many Marines had come up from Salt Lake City. Men from various VFW posts and the Marine Corps League occupied multiple rows of folding chairs. We all stood as ChanceÂ’s family took their seats in the front.
It turned out the Chance’s sister, a Petty Officer in the Navy, worked for a Rear Admiral—the Chief of Naval Intelligence—at the Pentagon. The Admiral had brought many of the sailors on his staff with him to Dubois pay respects to Chance and support his sister. After a few songs and some words from a Navy Chaplain, the Admiral took the microphone and told us how Chance had died.
Chance was an artillery cannoneer and his unit was acting as provisional military police outside of Baghdad. Chance had volunteered to man a .50 caliber machine gun in the turret of the leading vehicle in a convoy. The convoy came under intense fire but Chance stayed true to his post and returned fire with the big gun, covering the rest of the convoy, until he was fatally wounded.
Then the commander of the local VFW post read some of the letters Chance had written home. In letters to his mom he talked of the mosquitoes and the heat. In letters to his stepfather he told of the dangers of convoy operations and of receiving fire.
The service was a fitting tribute to this hero. When it was over, we stood as the casket was wheeled out with the family following. The casket was placed onto a horse-drawn carriage for the mile-long trip from the gym, down the main street, then up the steep hill to the cemetery. I stood alone and saluted as the carriage departed the high school. I found my car and joined ChanceÂ’s convoy.
The town seemingly went from the gym to the street. All along the route, the people had lined the street and were waving small American flags. The flags that were otherwise posted were all at half-staff. For the last quarter mile up the hill, local boy scouts, spaced about 20 feet apart, all in uniform, held large flags. At the foot of the hill, I could look up and back and see the enormity of our procession. I wondered how many people would be at this funeral if it were in, say, Detroit or Los Angeles—probably not as many as were here in little Dubois, Wyoming.
The carriage stopped about 15 yards from the grave and the military pall bearers and the family waited until the men of the VFW and Marine Corps league were formed up and schools busses had arrived carrying many of the people from the procession route. Once the entire crowd was in place, the pallbearers came to attention and began to remove the casket from the caisson. As I had done all week, I came to attention and executed a slow ceremonial salute as Chance was being transferred from one mode of transport to another.
From Dover to Philadelphia; Philadelphia to Minneapolis; Minneapolis to Billings; Billings to Riverton; and Riverton to Dubois we had been together. Now, as I watched them carry him the final 15 yards, I was choking up. I felt that, as long as he was still moving, he was somehow still alive.
Then they put him down above his grave. He had stopped moving.
Although my mission had been officially complete once I turned him over to the funeral director at the Billings airport, it was his placement at his grave that really concluded it in my mind. Now, he was home to stay and I suddenly felt at once sad, relieved, and useless.
The chaplain said some words that I couldnÂ’t hear and two Marines removed the flag from the casket and slowly folded it for presentation to his mother. When the ceremony was over, ChanceÂ’s father placed a ribbon from his service in Vietnam on ChanceÂ’s casket. His mother approached the casket and took something from her blouse and put it on the casket. I later saw that it was the flight attendantÂ’s crucifix. Eventually friends of ChanceÂ’s moved closer to the grave. A young man put a can of Coppenhagen on the casket and many others left flowers.
Finally, we all went back to the gym for a reception. There was enough food to feed the entire population for a few days. In one corner of the gym there was a table set up with lots of pictures of Chance and some of his sports awards. People were continually approaching me and the other Marines to thank us for our service. Almost all of them had some story to tell about their connection to the military. About an hour into the reception, I had the impression that every man in Wyoming had, at one time or another, been in the service.
It seemed like every time I saw ChanceÂ’s mom she was hugging a different well wisher. As time passed, I began to hear people laughing. We were starting to heal.
After a few hours at the gym, I went back to the hotel to change out of my dress blues. The local VFW post had invited everyone over to “celebrate Chance’s life.” The Post was on the other end of town from my hotel and the drive took less than two minutes. The crowd was somewhat smaller than what had been at the gym but the Post was packed.
Marines were playing pool at the two tables near the entrance and most of the VFW members were at the bar or around the tables in the bar area. The largest room in the Post was a banquet/dinning/dancing area and it was now called “The Chance Phelps Room.” Above the entry were two items: a large portrait of Chance in his dress blues and the Eagle, Globe, & Anchor. In one corner of the room there was another memorial to Chance. There were candles burning around another picture of him in his blues. On the table surrounding his photo were his Purple Heart citation and his Purple Heart medal. There was also a framed copy of an excerpt from the Congressional Record. This was an elegant tribute to Chance Phelps delivered on the floor of the United States House of Representatives by Congressman Scott McInnis of Colorado. Above it all was a television that was playing a photo montage of Chance’s life from small boy to proud Marine.
I did not buy a drink that night. As had been happening all day, indeed all week, people were thanking me for my service and for bringing Chance home. Now, in addition to words and handshakes, they were thanking me with beer. I fell in with the men who had handled the horses and horse-drawn carriage. I learned that they had worked through the night to groom and prepare the horses for ChanceÂ’s last ride. They were all very grateful that they were able to contribute.
After a while we all gathered in the Chance Phelps room for the formal dedication. The Post commander told us of how Chance had been so looking forward to becoming a Life Member of the VFW. Now, in the Chance Phelps Room of the Dubois, Wyoming post, he would be an eternal member. We all raised our beers and the Chance Phelps room was christened.
Later, as I was walking toward the pool tables, a Staff Sergeant form the Reserve unit in Salt Lake grabbed me and said, “Sir, you gotta hear this.” There were two other Marines with him and he told the younger one, a Lance Corporal, to tell me his story. The Staff Sergeant said the Lance Corporal was normally too shy and modest to tell it but now he’d had enough beer to overcome his usual tendencies.
As the Lance Corporal started to talk, an older man joined our circle. He wore a baseball cap that indicated he had been with the 1st Marine Division in Korea. Earlier in the evening he had told me about one of his former commanding officers; a Colonel Puller.
So, there I was, standing in a circle with three Marines recently returned from fighting with the 1st Marine Division in Iraq and one not so recently returned from fighting with the 1st Marine Division in Korea. I, who had fought with the 1st Marine Division in Kuwait, was about to gain a new insight into our Corps.
The young Lance Corporal began to tell us his story. At that moment, in this circle of current and former Marines, the differences in our ages and ranks dissipated—we were all simply Marines.
His squad had been on a patrol through a city street. They had taken small arms fire and had literally dodged an RPG round that sailed between two Marines. At one point they received fire from behind a wall and had neutralized the sniper with a SMAW round. The back blast of the SMAW, however, kicked up a substantial rock that hammered the Lance Corporal in the thigh; only missing his groin because he had reflexively turned his body sideways at the shot.
Their squad had suffered some wounded and was receiving more sniper fire when suddenly he was hit in the head by an AK-47 round. I was stunned as he told us how he felt like a baseball bat had been slammed into his head. He had spun around and fell unconscious. When he came to, he had a severe scalp wound but his Kevlar helmet had saved his life. He continued with his unit for a few days before realizing he was suffering the effects of a severe concussion.
As I stood there in the circle with the old man and the other Marines, the Staff Sergeant finished the story. He told of how this Lance Corporal had begged and pleaded with the Battalion surgeon to let him stay with his unit. In the end, the doctor said there was just no way—he had suffered a severe and traumatic head wound and would have to be med’evaced.
The Marine Corps is a special fraternity. There are moments when we are reminded of this. Interestingly, those moments donÂ’t always happen at awards ceremonies or in dress blues at Birthday Balls. I have found, rather, that they occur at unexpected times and places: next to a loaded moving van at Camp LejeuneÂ’s base housing, in a dirty CP tent in northern Saudi Arabia, and in a smoky VFW post in western Wyoming.
After the story was done, the Lance Corporal stepped over to the old man, put his arm over the manÂ’s shoulder and told him that he, the Korean War vet, was his hero. The two of them stood there with their arms over each otherÂ’s shoulders and we were all silent for a moment. When they let go, I told the Lance Corporal that there were recruits down on the yellow footprints tonight that would soon be learning his story.
I was finished drinking beer and telling stories. I found ChanceÂ’s father and shook his hand one more time. ChanceÂ’s mom had already left and I deeply regretted not being able to tell her goodbye.
I left Dubois in the morning before sunrise for my long drive back to Billings. It had been my honor to take Chance Phelps to his final post. Now he was on the high ground overlooking his town.
I miss him.
Regards,
LtCol Strobl

Dribble
04-28-2004, 11:57 AM
Long winded... yes
Worth the read... definitely
Thanks for the post.

harleypauls
04-28-2004, 12:01 PM
Great article Brian. Worth every second it takes to read it. Paul

jackpunx
04-28-2004, 12:03 PM
very heavy... thanks for posting

summerlove
04-28-2004, 12:29 PM
:cry:
Thank You...

sigepmock
04-28-2004, 12:36 PM
Best post I've ever read. Thank you.

MsDrmr
04-28-2004, 01:03 PM
well worth the reading, it really made me stop to think,(even though I already knew) that some of our "heros" don't come home to hug their families. What a truely sad story with a touch of hope,,even in death, this young man was respected and mourned by strangers......we should all be so lucky.

miller19j
04-28-2004, 01:05 PM
I normally would not read a post that long. But I am glad that I did! During the reading I came close to breaking out and crying several times. Very moving! Thanks for posting it Brian!
It is amazing how touched you can become by the loss of someone you donÂ’t even know. The bond of being a proud American is strong and it ties all of us together a lot more than we realize.
God Bless all our troops!

CrazyHippy
04-28-2004, 01:19 PM
Wow.... I'm speachless.
BJH

spectratoad
04-28-2004, 01:20 PM
Great Post,
It is hard to read without some wet eye but it sure makes me feel proud that the uniform I am allowed to put on every morning represents all that has been given by hero's, both past and present.
I am so proud to be an American and even prouder to be a part of this military team.

Keith E. Sayre
04-28-2004, 01:23 PM
very moving. maybe the most thought provoking post I've ever read. The America in that post is the America that I'm proud to
be a part of. Too often we only see the "America" that is on the
news every night. Nancy's son recently volunteered to go back
to Iraq next month. It worries us but there was no way to tell
him no. Perhaps that conviction that Chance had while manning
that 50 is the same spirit that our forefathers had when creating
this country, which I figure is the same spirit that led them thro ugh Europe in WWI & Europe and Japan in WW2, Korea,
Vietnam, Kuwait and now Afghanistan and Iraq.
Contrary to what we hear on TV and the newspaper, ours is still
a great country full of great people. I'm proud of our boys and
ladies in the armed forces and I'm damn proud to be an American! God Bless our troops! Godspeed to Chance.
Keith Sayre

MRS FLYIN VEE
04-28-2004, 01:25 PM
:( great post.. and thank you.:(

H20 Party Starter
04-28-2004, 03:03 PM
No I'm NOT! There's just something stuck in my eye:(

v-drive
04-28-2004, 04:11 PM
My heart is full.....v-drive

AzDon
04-28-2004, 05:39 PM
I think GWB should take 3 of these "escort" trips himself before the next time that he says that the human cost of this war has been "worth it"! God Bless the men and women that will go and fulfill GWB's dirty work ,without question, while he cowers, comfortably protected by a personal batallion of Secret Service agents!

HavasuDreamin'
04-28-2004, 05:40 PM
Speechless..................................

Jordy
04-28-2004, 05:55 PM
What a great post JBB.
Leave it to AzDon to come in here and screw it all up. Can you give N!ck, I mean Over18 something to post now too asshole? :mad:

Sleek-Jet
04-28-2004, 06:06 PM
AzDon if you have a shred of decency, you'll delete that post.
I just recieved word the my cousin (more of a little brother than anything else) is going to be re-deployed to Iraq at the end of May 1st Batalion 4th Marines... I pray I don't have to live that story.

N2Lake
04-28-2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by jordanpaulk
What a great post JBB.
Ditto that, great post
Leave it to AzDon to come in here and screw it all up. :mad:
And ditto that, what a ****ing moron. Don what you lack in common decency could fill a large library. :mad:

AzDon
04-28-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by jordanpaulk
What a great post JBB.
Leave it to AzDon to come in here and screw it all up. Can you give N!ck, I mean Over18 something to post now too asshole? :mad:
I'm as entitled to an opinion as you are JP and I think you are out of line calling me an asshole. Can't we just agree that we don't agree about politics and otherwise be friendly and civil.
If you had a bad boating accident and I was the first or only other boater in the area, I would help you any way I could- even knowing it was you!
If the situation was reversed and you found me floating face down, I get the impression that you'd get a thrill out of tying an anchor to me to make sure I died. Why the animosity? Why the venom? We've never even met and you hate my guts? Over politics?... GEEZ, GET A LIFE!!

HavasuDreamin'
04-28-2004, 06:21 PM
There is a time and place for politics. This wasn't the time nor place!
HD

v-drive
04-28-2004, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by LoneStarRage
Ditto that, great post
And ditto that, what a ****ing moron. Don what you lack in common decency could fill a large library. :mad:
Azdon, I used to like your comments but now I think you are a scum.:mad: v-drive

AzDon
04-28-2004, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
There is a time and place for politics. This wasn't the time nor place!
HD
News Flash!
Iraq did not attack New York...AlQueda did!
Iraq was a personal family vendetta that Jr. brought with him when he was selected.
He should have to look the family members of the deceased military members in the eye and tell them that their sacrafice was "worth it".....Or better yet maybe GWB could prove his great leadership abilities by putting on the gear and running "point" on patrol in Iraq!

Jordy
04-28-2004, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
I'm as entitled to an opinion as you are JP and I think you are out of line calling me an asshole. Can't we just agree that we don't agree about politics and otherwise be friendly and civil.
If you had a bad boating accident and I was the first or only other boater in the area, I would help you any way I could- even knowing it was you!
If the situation was reversed and you found me floating face down, I get the impression that you'd get a thrill out of tying an anchor to me to make sure I died. Why the animosity? Why the venom? We've never even met and you hate my guts? Over politics?... GEEZ, GET A LIFE!!
Don, news flash for ya. You and your puppet go out of your way to post things that you know will get a rise and create controversy. Must be part of the liberal mindset. The sky is falling mentality. Here is a story that goes really far to disprove the theory of the liberal media and the jackasses, I mean democrats, and leave it to you to come in and create some hype and draw everyone's attention away from it. It is an asshole move and you have been called an asshole accordingly. If the shoe fits...
As far as boating, you're going a little far with your theory. I'm out of line calling you an asshole when you've proven to be such and been backed by your oh so clever puppet, yet you make me out to be an insincere homicidal boater? Isn't that quite a funny turn. Anything to stay away from the facts huh Don.
If you'll notice, I didn't mention politics anywhere in my reply to you. I merely called you an asshole because that was an asshole manuever. Politics aside. I don't care if it was a John Kerry reference, it was still an asshole move.
So Iraq didn't attack New York and the crash the other planes. You may be right on that point, to an extent. Perhaps not physically, however, using their country as a training ground and financial backing should count for something there Chicken Little. You want to talk vendettas? You don't think Saddam and his merry band of henchmen had some kind of a vendetta against the US after getting their asses handed to them the first time? You and your type absolutely ****ing baffle me. I guess you don't have a lot to worry about with your fancy title hiding out in Lake Havasu as it's probably not high on the list of places to hit. But it scares the shit out of me to think that you ****ing morons are able to sleep at night with the prospect of Kerry in office dismantling the military and handing all of our national security issues over to the pussy assed French and the rest of the ****tards that comprise the UN.
Once again, **** you Don. **** you and your puppet son with your heads so far up your asses you haven't seen daylight in years.
As far as tying my anchor to you, I wouldn't waste a good anchor.

Jordy
04-28-2004, 07:07 PM
On another note while I have your short attention span Don, I've been to your site a couple times and it seems like a nice place. Funny thing is, I don't see shit like this going down on your boards. However, out of 460 posts of yours (I did a search) I couldn't find more than a dozen in the first five pages that were anything even remotely boating related. Why don't you use your board as a spot to post this bullshit and do the rest of us a favor and leave it off here.

AzDon
04-28-2004, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by jordanpaulk
As far as tying my anchor to you, I wouldn't waste a good anchor.
So I guess you won't be stopping to help me?

BigBoyToys
04-28-2004, 08:14 PM
That is an EXCELLENT story! It made my day!
I have a nephew that recently returned from Iraq after spending a year there fighting (82nd Airborne) for our continued freedoms and as soon as he came home, my other nephew deployed to Iraq (1st Marine Div 2/4 Weapons ) and he is still currently in Ramadi, Iraq continueing to fight for our American way of life and the freedoms that we possess like no other country in the World!
I am VERY proud of ALL of our troops, past, present, and future. And I continue to pray for them every single day. This country is what it is today, because of courageous men and women who fight to preserve the American way of life.....and I support them 100%
As for AZDon,....I'm not gonna mess up this post on you. You ain't worth it. Read my next post.

BigBoyToys
04-28-2004, 08:23 PM
AZDon, your posts and comments in this topic are totally out of line and off topic. Whether you like Bush or not is not the point or the moral to the story. You sir, have absolutely no moral common sense whatsoever. If you want to bash Bush, fine! But go do it in another topic, not this one!
I am friends with Republicans and Democrats alike. Sometimes I like some things Republicans do, sometimes I like things that Democrats do, it's my individual freedom of choice that our troops have fought and died for so you and I can have our opinions. This topic and the story at the beginning of it, is about one of our American heroes, and paying tribute to him. Not about any politics!
I usually give folks the benefit of the doubt, but you have no benefit.....you are an A$$HOLE PERIOD!
Sorry to all the other people that read AZDon's posts in this topic, and my subsequent response.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jordy
04-28-2004, 08:31 PM
Looks like another vote for AzDon's an asshole. :D

My Man's Sportin' Wood
04-28-2004, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
News Flash!
Iraq did not attack New York...AlQueda did!
Germany didn't attack Pearl Harbor either, but guess who we went to war with. Should we not have? (trick question):D

FMluvswater
04-28-2004, 11:00 PM
That made me cry. It was so poignant. Really hits that war isn't just some vague thing ... it's real and people are lost to friends and family forever. That was one of the most heartwrenchingest posts I've ever read here. Thank-you JBB.
~FM :cry:

Ivan Dan
04-28-2004, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
There is a time and place for politics. This wasn't the time nor place!
HD
I 100% agree with you.......AzDon....this was DEFINITELY not the time nor the place you need to remove that post from this thread.

ROZ
04-28-2004, 11:40 PM
Truely a touching story.
AzDon, Your comments disturb me. You are an insensitive wacko who hasn't the common decency to know that there's a time and place for everything. I emailed this thread pointing out your comments to this thread to a relative of mine who is actively involved in the Democrat Party here in Ca. showing him what kind of freaks he has backing the big D. He's marrying into my family(rep) so I always give him a hard time..lol... He said "that freak ain't in my party" and said for you to vote for Nader. So there:yuk:

N2Lake
04-29-2004, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by jordanpaulk
Looks like another vote for AzDon's an asshole. :D
I know it is scary but I am more inclined to agree with you on ****ing Moron.
"that freak ain't in my party"
But it is turning into a freak show. John Kerry please. :yuk:

N2Lake
04-29-2004, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
So I guess you won't be stopping to help me?
I would think patriotism would win out over boating karma, but that could just be me.

BigBoyToys
04-29-2004, 04:50 AM
That's what I'm talking about. There's a time and place for everything, but this was neither the time, nor the place for AZDon's comments. AZDon needs to go start his own thread on politics and I'm sure it will be welcome somewhere else, but not here in this topic:mad:

Jbb
04-29-2004, 05:09 AM
AZDon.....With all due respect...I think you missed the point of this thread completely...When I was first reading this article and debating on whether to post it or not..politics never once crossed my mind.I simply saw it as a story of one mans journey to insure that our fallen hero's journeys home remain dignified at ALL times..I cannot think of a more appropriate treatment for fallen heros,and I am very glad our tax dollars are spent seeing that everything is done correctly.I also saw it as a way to bring the reality of war,and its hideously ugly aftermath into focus for us,who are back here ...safely insulated and worried about water levels....It kinda put some things into perspective for me...I dont know you,nor do I have any axe to grind with you.I respect the fact that you have every right to state your political opinion...Its just that,in my opinion this is not a political thread,and your words were poorly placed...And yes....I would pull you out of the water......Jbb

Windy
04-29-2004, 05:37 AM
I agree with Brian and everyone else...this isnt the place...very moving story. God bless our troops.

HavasuDreamin'
04-29-2004, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
News Flash!
Iraq did not attack New York...AlQueda did!
Iraq was a personal family vendetta that Jr. brought with him when he was selected.
This is a thread about the sacrafice a soldier made to you, me and everyone else in this country. Regardless of who attacked who, how, what, why..........etc...........this Marine died for you and me. As previously mentioned, this is not the time nor place to spew your political beliefs.........even if your right........... it shows disrespect to the fallen American.
Originally posted by AzDon
He should have to look the family members of the deceased military members in the eye and tell them that their sacrafice was "worth it".....Or better yet maybe GWB could prove his great leadership abilities by putting on the gear and running "point" on patrol in Iraq!
Again, your opinion. Not the time nor place to disrespect our service people. God speed to all those soldiers who have fought for our country over the years and made the ultimate sacrafice. Right wrong or indifferent, many have lost their lives so that you and I (and everyone else in America) have the opportunity to live in a free world. These men and women have more charactar, honor, respect, and decency in one ounce of their being than you will ever have AzDon.
God bless all those who have fought for our rights/freedom.

Salty Cracker
04-29-2004, 06:10 AM
Awesome story!!!
As for AZdon:
Pull your head out of your DUMB UN-PATRIOTIC ASS!!!
Wrong time, wrong place ****er :mad:

Garrddogg
04-29-2004, 06:23 AM
Heavy story!
I've got something in my eye.
AzDon = you're an ASSHOLE!
it aint the thread spew your shit........

spectratoad
04-29-2004, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
I think GWB should take 3 of these "escort" trips himself before the next time that he says that the human cost of this war has been "worth it"! God Bless the men and women that will go and fulfill GWB's dirty work ,without question, while he cowers, comfortably protected by a personal batallion of Secret Service agents!
Well dipshit, every President is surrounded by secret service agents and you never put the top personnel in the chain of command on the battlefield. And I don't recall any other President going to the battlefield to see his troops. Is Thanksgiving too far back for you to remember.
You just made folks in the military sound like a bunch of nonthinking. animated toys. Well you ****ing moron did you forget that we have an ALL VOLUNTEER military! or is your ****ing head so far up your ass that the methane is keeping you from thinking clearly.
As a soldier that puts my uniform on every morning I would gladly do what so many others have done before me and will do after me and that is to give my life so that you and others like you can continue to spout your trash out of your pathetic piehole.
You are a piece of shit on a rock but hey that is what makes this country great. You can be a piece of shit or you can make a difference as a true American.
I didn't volunteer for the military 15 years ago for the college money, I did it because I feel that every American male should be obligated to do so. (Don't be offended ladies). Maybe you were in but I am glad I didn't have you watching my back.
OK I better stop venting. AzDon your a prick

FIXSTER17
04-29-2004, 07:37 AM
My fellow Americans.
That Marine was stationed here with me in 29 Palms.
That was a very hard story to read.. Won't lie it brought tears to my eyes. As a matter of fact I have lost way to many friends and fellow Marines, as well as other branches of the military in recent days.
I am not sure how to respond to AZ Don's statement, since That PFC gave his life to ensure our freedoms, Yes he could have had a different post, and said the same thing and left that out of this post.
But he didn't, I want to tell you all something I never really noticed before we had Clinton. There was a difference in attitude during his terms, When GWB took over as Commander in Chief I can tell you Our chest and steps became a little more firm, our heads held a little higher.
I don't care what the media says..... I have heard from the Marines we sent over there, that is a basin of Evil, it has been for decades.
Weapons of Mass Destruction, Hell I can't even find my damn keys and I have a 1200 sq ft house, trust me he had 13 years to do whatever he wanted.
There is a statement that says
"ALL EVIL NEEDS IS TO HAVE GOOD MEN SIT BY AND DO NOTHING"
I feel for that PFC for I was one many long years ago, I feel for his family, I feel for his friends, But I am also Proud of him because he chose to be a MARINE, I too didn't know him, but TODAY I MISS HIM
SEMPER FI!!!!!
MSgt Fix
USMC

AzDon
04-29-2004, 07:47 AM
I read every word of the original post and the solemnity and tragedy of it affected me heavily- to the verge of tears!
I also went back and re-read my post because I was pretty sure that I had not dis-respected ANY soldiers, living or dead.
I have the deepest respect for the young men and women that sign up for a 3 to 6 year commitment to do the country's harshest business that may come up while they are soldiers. It's a true sign of character when these young people stand by their commitment even when it becomes dangerous or inconvenient.
Too many people are willing to simply express sympathy for the ending of a vibrant, young life without expressing any anger for the circumstances that cause the death.
It is generally accepted that we had no choice to ignore World War II, but we were reluctant and late, waiting till the Japanese attacked us. Because Japan and Germany were connected by an agreement to presumably divide the conquered world, we made no distinction between them!
You can argue all you want about whether the public protest and subsequent retreat from Vietnam was the right thing to do, but history has proven Vietnam was irrelevant to our national security.... We pulled out and Americans stopped dying! Vietnam was also historically irrelevant to the final outcome of the cold war.
So what about this Iraq war? Was it necessary? Was Iraq a genuine threat to our national security? Had we tried and failed to isolate and contain any percieved threat? Did we build an unbiased and unpaid consensus of countries that were in agreement with our reasoning? Did we go in without a clear plan for winning the endgame in a part of the world that is REALLY GOOD at employing guerrilla/terrorist tactics? Aren't we really too politically correct to win at this kind of warfare?
SHOULD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC NOT BE OUTRAGED BY ALL OF THIS?? HAVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS RECIEVED THEIR MONEY'S WORTH??
I DID NOT DISRESPECT THIS SOLDIER OR OTHERS LIKE HIM IN MY POST!! HE FULFILLED HIS COMMITMENT TO HIS COUNTRY WITHOUT QUESTION!
That his Commander-in-Chief is an unsympathetic, unfit,war-mongering, spendthrift, selected (not elected) former deserter is the part of my opinion that some folks REALLY have a problem with....
The guy died in Iraq....To me Bush and Iraq are synonymous! I'm sorry if that offends people but it is their problem, not mine!

Tremor Therapy
04-29-2004, 07:50 AM
JBB,
Thanks for that post. It just reaffirms my belief in America. The America that understands and respects the sacrifices that our military men and women make. The ultimate sacrifice so that flaming assholes like AzDon can spout their b.s. agenda!
This was not the place nor was it the time to vent your political views. You need to pull your head out of the sand, get a little broader view of the world, and come to the realization that this was a great humanitarian story. An account that should touch all of our souls....regardless of ones political views or agenda's.
Keith,
I for one will be praying for the safe return of your loved one, like I do every day for all of the men and women who are serving OUR COUNTRY!

FIXSTER17
04-29-2004, 08:01 AM
AZ DON
I DID NOT DISRESPECT THIS SOLDIER OR OTHERS LIKE HIM IN MY POST!! HE FULFILLED HIS COMMITMENT TO HIS COUNTRY WITHOUT QUESTION!
That his Commander-in-Chief is an unsympathetic, unfit,war-mongering, spendthrift, selected (not elected) former deserter is the part of my opinion that some folks REALLY have a problem with....
The guy died in Iraq....To me Bush and Iraq are synonymous! I'm sorry if that offends people but it is their problem, not mine!
Hold on there
I think you are starting to cross some lines here,
1st off let me state I am not a Dem or a Rep, I am a ****ing US Marine.
You Know it isn't worth it... But I'll bet you that PFC would kick your butt if he heard you disrespecting our Commander In Chief, I only thank God that he didn't give his life up for our pass, womanizer President...

PHX ATC
04-29-2004, 08:19 AM
AZDon - don't be a ****nut. Dude, you're living here enjoying the fruits of freedom, one of which is to post whatever you feel on an internet forum such as this one, while men and women are kicking splattered to ensure you can bash the political powers that be. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, it might quit feeding you.
You really should take the "AZ" off of your screen name as it embarasses me that you're draggin the state of AZ down with your political comments.

little rowe boat
04-29-2004, 08:35 AM
Great read,thanks for posting the story.Our military lays it on the line everyday,they are heroes and should always be treated as heroes.GOD BLESS them ALL.

H20 Party Starter
04-29-2004, 08:44 AM
I know I didn't pick him up, so if JBB hasn't rolled by the crash site yet, I think Don is a gonner:(

Her454
04-29-2004, 09:32 AM
That story brought me to tears, thank you for sharing Brian.
As for AZDON, your political views are your choice, something you have as an American. However, regardless of how you choose to defend that post and insist it is not disrespectful, it is. It is a slap in the face to every soldier and serviceman & their families. This was not the time nor place to vent your political feelings or opinions. I would have to agree with the concencous of opinion on the board with the fact that you are an asshole to not only post that, but to leave it up and then try to justify it.

THOR
04-29-2004, 10:39 AM
Dammit!! I am a little teary eyed here in my office now. AWESOME post. I love it. He will live forever in the hearts of this country and his family. Godspeed.
AzDon, you are a complete ass. Try not to ever post here again.

FIXSTER17
04-29-2004, 10:41 AM
I am not the smartest person in the world but I do know this, every President did something very good, and every president ****ed shit up.
Clinton more than Bush, Not because he is better or worse, but because he had and extra 4 years to make mistakes.
They ALL LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND I DO MEAN ALL.
I can also tell you this as a Marine,
I SERVE YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT OUR POLITICIANS"
I hope you understand the difference.
I love Americans, even Democrats, but I hate Politicians all of them!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIXSTER17
04-29-2004, 10:48 AM
I am not the smartest person in the world but I do know this, every President did something very good, and every president ****ed shit up.
Clinton more than Bush, Not because he is better or worse, but because he had and extra 4 years to make mistakes.
They ALL LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND I DO MEAN ALL.
I can also tell you this as a Marine,
I SERVE YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT OUR POLITICIANS"
I hope you understand the difference.
I love Americans, even Democrats, but I hate Politicians all of them!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIXSTER17
04-29-2004, 11:20 AM
I am not the smartest person in the world but I do know this, every President did something very good, and every president ****ed shit up.
Clinton more than Bush, Not because he is better or worse, but because he had and extra 4 years to make mistakes.
They ALL LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND I DO MEAN ALL.
I can also tell you this as a Marine,
I SERVE YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOT OUR POLITICIANS"
I hope you understand the difference.
I love Americans, even Democrats, but I hate Politicians all of them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scream
04-29-2004, 11:46 AM
Thanks for that JBB. The dignity which we treat our fallen hero's is a reflection of the respect this country has for our people in uniform.
AZDON, take your political crap to another thread at least and let's have at it, or can't you admit that you're wrong on this issue???

checkster
04-29-2004, 11:13 PM
Awesome read.
Very Humbling. Especially when you think of this scenario 800 or so times.
My family and I are very proud of the individuals who have volunteered and earned the privilege to wear the uniform of a US military branch. The sacrifice made by these individuals can not be put into words. The chance that you could be deceased at the end of work day does not appeal to most people yet there are those who do it day in and day out without a second thought.
Thank you Again
Semper Fi
AZ"DUMBASS"DON.....Find somewhere else to play with yourself if you are that board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

MagicMtnDan
04-30-2004, 05:46 AM
God bless our troops wherever they are - volunteering to serve, making sacrifices to keep our country strong. They make it possible for assholes like AzDon to spout their bile at the most inappropriate times.