Maybe I should give up...anyone got a bare hull for sale?

[WriedtStuff]

I am really getting tired of finding surprises in the old Wriedt hull I am trying to restore....sometimes you have to cut you losses and move on....maybe if I can find another bare hull at a reasonable price...I will just scrap this one and start over....anybody got anything intersting....I realize I am on the east coast and most of you guys are west of the ole miss....but I would take a trip for the right boat at the right price....
Thanks

[berk]

why not a bare aluminum hull from up north? they are good for well over 100 mph, plus they make a cool beer can sound when they hit stuff! 8500 bone$

[rssfla]

Frustrating I know, Trust me. We bust our ass and have to think if it will be worth it in the end. What you need to do, and I think you have, is first decide what you want when you are finished. If you want the fastest badass boat around, run from your project and buy something you know more about. If you want just a fun lake boat that you will be proud to say you built, then keep working on it and ask questions as you go.
I decided when I started that I just wanted something different, loud and obnoxious but cool to look at. I know it wont be a speed demon, but I'll be proud to say that I built it and it was my first. And I'm trying to keep the budget from getting out of hand. Some of the guys have huge money in their boats, and it shows, some awsome stuff on here. If I knew then ( when i bought it ) what I know now, i would NOT have made the initial purchase. Olds motor, most guys don't like them, jacuzzi pump, ditto. But its what i have and i'm going to make it work for me. We all have been to a local car show where a guy has a car that we wonder, what was he thinking, but you have to admire the hard work he put into it. Different strokes for different folks. Good Luck Brother!

[WriedtStuff]

Rss...I could not have said it better myself....I am not looking for a race boat either...but I do like the sound and wanted to have it look nice....but now I am worrying about it's reliabilty...If you have seen my other posts....you will know that I have a really big problem right now....I had a similiar one a month or so ago when I found a patched hole in the bottom right at the transom....patched with Bondo also....I decided to go on and repair that hole and it worked out OK, and it is very strong now....But my concerns now are since I have found another patch job....how many more are there...I can just see my 1st trip to the water ending up with all my work sitting on the bottom of the lake.....I had never worked seriously with fiberglas before I started this project so that is why I paniced when I saw the hole near the transom....but with the advice of this board and a local speed shop...I was able to correct it....just don't have much confidence in myself to repair the hole I have now.....and the budget is getting really thin.....

[BigBlockBaja]

I agree with rssfla.. I made a poor choice on hulls also, I think, and Im making the best of it. I say stick with it and show your hard work. Mine was a basket case and is finally comming around.. Most here have seen my pump, and its an ugly, neglected one. But it works.. So Im working with what I got.. Wriedstuff, I say keep up the work..

[rssfla]

do the repairs, learn something, don't spend high $ on paint yet, buy a bigger bilge pump! jk
The motor won't go bad, if you have to swap hulls later.
Its not like the fiberglass will fall off and the boat sinks stright to the bottom. Looks like you are doing good so far!
I have followed you other post.

[MizBubba]

Originally posted by WriedtStuff
I am really getting tired of finding surprises in the old Wriedt hull I am trying to restore....sometimes you have to cut you losses and move on....
Thanks
Hold on, and keep plugging, if you can. We just finished up our Wriedt Spoiler.
When we bought the hull, we went through something very similar, except the hole was in the bottom, and was over 10 inches long! http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1446Cockpit-med.jpg
Finishing this project was one of the most satisfying things I've done!
http://www.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/1446P6060007-med.JPG

[MoJetBoPar]

Keep it. Fix it. You'll learn more from it and know the boat completely.
I gave away, literally, a 74 Wreidt Stinger that had rotted stringers and the rh side of the transom was splitting away from the side of the hull. And to make matters worse, I cut the transom off to replace the plywood and get at the stringers. The gentleman that picked it up was very tactful and polite when he picked it up and within a year had it out on the water.
My limited experience with fiberglass is that it can bond and be VERY strong when properly applied. Easy to grind down and start over too.
The more I work on my old Beaterboat, the more I like it.

[WriedtStuff]

Thanks for all the words of encouragment guys....I really need it right now.
This boat has been a major project....I knew when I bought it that some of the wood would have to be replaced....but just like the bottom...the more I dug the more I found.....
To Date, I have already replaced both stringers, the whole transom, the complete floor and rebuilt the single stringer under the floor. This also included the re-attachment of the deck and the hull in several placed along the transom.....did I mention the hole I had to repair on the bottom near the transom that I found was previously repaired with a big hunk of bondo.....
Now I still have to decide how to fix this huge hole in the bottom and decide if I have the skills to do so.....and decide if it can be done without ripping up the new floor I just installed....and figure out if my repaired fuel tank is going to work before I glass it back in place.....and so on and so on......
I just have reservations about this boat....someone has obvioulsy done allot of poor repairs on it....is it worth the time and effort to put it all back together only to find there is another problem after I get it to the lake? Then start all over again....or is it better to find a hull that I know is sound and be done with it....
I also have to say that I have lost some confidence in myself......I really don't know anything about fiberglass work...I just thought on the minor non structural things....that I could do it....but what if I make this repair and I don't do it right? Hit a big wake and my work fails and I start sinking....I wouldn't really look forward to going to the lake with that looming over my head....I certianly would not take my family.
Just really frustrated right now.....

[BrendellaJet]

Keep it. That hole is not a difficult repair at all. Sand down to the original gel on the whole baot, by doing that you will see where ALL the poor repairs are at. Fix them, and be done with it. If you can replace the stringers in a boat, you can likely take care of any patch work you come across.
If your questioning your glassing abilities, try HavasuBarneys website. Its a little slow over there, but ForknCrazy and JBB are on their game, they can help you. Also try the fiberglass forum over at screamandfly.com. Lots of help over there too.
Welcome to the club. Last time I had my baot out I was about 20 miles from laughlin down river, and it was taking on water, bilge pump wasn't pumping. I was freaked. Got the bilge pump unclogged and that put my mind at ease. But the boat was torn apart and I found not a lot of repairs, just a bunch of holes. Now they are fixed and I know every inch of my hull like the back of my hand. If theres a problem in the future, Ill know why and how to fix. When you buy someone elses hull, you are buying their problem. I wouldnt do that any more than I had to.

[Rampager]

The way I see it you have the most important "skill" there is for a project like this: the common sense to ask questions!
I don't think anyone who's ever undertaken to fix/repair/restore something has not had those days/times when they wanted to just forget it all. Im sure those same people will also tell you those days/times are forgotten pretty quickly the first time you use your project, or the first time someone makes a big deal of how cool or sweet your project looks when its done. As was said above there is no better feeling than knowing you resurrected something yourself. Hang in there, Im sure there have been much much worse projects undertaken than that. Keep pluggin away, you'll get there...
Cheers
p.s. this ended up taking 8 years to build cause of various delays(university etc) but it was well worth it! Its my wooden hull, Glen-L "Rampage"
www.geocities.com/toguy12345/pass2.JPG
www.geocities.com/toguy12345/bsmall.jpg
(click the link, delete the http thingy then hit enter)

[WriedtStuff]

Again,
Thanks guys....you are an inspiration!
I have contacted a fiberglass materials dealer in Rhode Island...and sent him pics of my problem...he is going to tell me what materials I need.....he recommended using an epoxy resin instead of the polyester.....it that what I should use? If so did I screw up by using polyester resin on all the other repairs I have already done? I am in my 4th gallon on Poly resisn.....If it takes that much epoxy resisin...then I will certainly be over budget.....

[BrendellaJet]

No, dont use the epoxy resin. Use the polyester. The boat was far more than likely to have been made with that, so stick with it. You should not need more than a quart or so in my opinion to make the repair.
Just get some multi directional mat, 2oz thick. You will want to make sure the wound is completely clean. I would glass form the bottom of the boat first. Make it a big patch, so it has lots of hull to grab to. I would grind a foot or so square around, so you can build without having to sand it all away to make it even with the hull, lay 4 oz of glass there. Then flip the boat, and proceed to fill in the hole with pieces cut to fit. Make sure you get all of the air bubbles out, you want a good bond. Once you have filled the hole, id make a patch on both sides of that stringer, and tie the repair into it as well. I know you dont want to cut a hole in that floor, but your are gonna have to if you want it done right.

[CARLSON-JET]

I have to agree with the majority here, but I wanted to add an idea. get the bottom work finished up. get it back together and go have some fun. it will motivate you alot more then if you try to do it all at once. to me the whole idea of a boat is to enjoy it .. not just work on it all the time. last year I spent months making my 73 CV-19 Carlson look nice . I did all my own interior, paint, flooring,wiring, and trailor work. I got to enjoy a few months at the end of summer which motivated me to do more this year. now I'm on the pump and converting from an Olds to a BBC. I Will definatly be happy to get rid of the olds but sort of miss the nostalgia part of it and the being a little different. I also wish I would have been better prepared with a powerplant ready to slip in instead of having to rebuild one at this point in the year. to sum it up I am learning that good planning is an essential part of the proccess. keep up the good fight as long as thats what it is. also keeping realistic goals will make it easier to devide and conquer. I'm enjoying your posts on the project, keep em comming and remember that your also adding encouragement to others to tackle something new. GO MAN GO!!! R.B.

[Back Forty]

Stick with it wreidtstuff! Like others have said you seem to have the common sense going for yourself. You'll be alright. Here is a internet supplier I and others have been using.
http://www.fibreglast.com/
I took a couple of shots of my hull this morning like I said I would do. I wanted to say that these hulls were designed with racing in mind from the begining. Not jets but out boards. They have heritage.
Mine is a Glastron/Carlson 19' and is basicly original. The pics may not be so revealing but maybe it'll help. Mines a berkley pump.

[Back Forty]

more
You can see the dropped skeg.

[Back Forty]

Pump intake

[Back Forty]

From the transom forward.
Like yours these have a wood stringer in the center. These are stout boats.
These guys were doin 80mph + in rough water with this basic design.
courtesy of Tom Browns site!
http://www.carlsonspeed.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=89
I linked this from the same site. Hope you don't mind Tom.
Same basic hull as your aired.
http://www.carlsonspeed.com/forums/uploads/post-2-1077993256.jpg

[Rampager]

I have limited experience with polyester resins but a fair amount with epoxy's.
Its my understanding that epoxy's rarely are, and shouldn't be, used as "stand alone" resins. By that I mean they are more suited for bonding some kind of fibre's to other structural members i.e. covering a wood boat with a thin cloth for waterproofing and durability.
F1 cars do however use forms of epoxy and carbon fibre alone but the types you are likely to find are primarily for bonding "stuff" . West System as an example would be pretty brittle to try to make a glass boat with on its own. Regardless of how strong the fibre is it would crack easily
Polyester resins on the other hand don't stick well to very much , including themselves actually(unless properly prepped) and aren't very good for bonding things but are very good for building stand alone structures i.e. boats They are more flexible and have the give needed when making a structure out of just 'glass alone
I'd talk to a few more places about what resins would be best but hopefully that gives you a little insight to start with. I'd always seal wood with epoxy or use epoxy if trying to bond to something but if I was making something where the fibreglass were the primary structural element I would stick with Poly(its way cheaper too)
I had a wood hull i raped hardware from years ago. it had a thin glass cloth on the bottom 'bonded' with Polyester resin. I only used the boat about 6 times and lost massive amounts of the cloth. I started inspecting the hull more closely and found there were air bubbles all over the place. The poly resin just didn't stick to the wood at all.
Cheers

[Bryan Rose]

Been through what you have been through... I am in Macon and just now have finished my boat for now, It is a long road but well worth it. anymore questions give me a P.M. or e- mail me directly.....
You can check out the pics of my ride in the image center....under SteeperDude
Bryan

[WriedtStuff]

Bryan,
That is a beautiful boat....If I knew I could make mine look like that, I would have no reservations.....But I am not quite there yet. I am going to look at another hull this weekend.....don't know much about it yet...but you can be assured....I will ask about it here before I make a decision.
Thanks

[Rhino]

Hey WreidtStuff, or anyone else for that matter. I have a '74, 14 1/2', Wreidt Stinger. It is metalflake gold and needs a new clearcoat. The motor is an 85hp Evinrude but it can run at 52mph with no problems. Any ideas as to what it is worth? I am just checking. I hardly ever use it anymore (not at all in the last 2 years). I don't want it to just rot away. Someone could probably use it. I have pctures of it but I am new to this and I am not too sure how to post them. Any and all help would be appreciated. I am in central Oklahoma.

[taylormanss]

hey wriedt stuff I've found a few hulls over here in texas.email me or go over to texas***boats.com or email me at taylormanss@yahoo.com I'm over here in port arthur which is on the border of texas and lousiana.I can find ya what ever you want!

[TRG]

looking for a red rogers less pump and power???

[taylormanss]

send me some pics todd and what ya want for it and I'll pass them along to texas jetters! taylormanss@yahoo.com

[RCB19]

looking for a red rogers less pump and power???
Todd is "El Chingon" Up for sale? WTF?

[atxwrangler]

damn, i want one is it a 19 foot bonneville? :eat:

[BLOWN88FRESNO MINI]

I have a 1976 Fresno Daycruiser 21'6" bare hull no trailer, $700.00 includes 2-25 gal tanks.
559-352-1309

[TRG]

My boat is an 18' rogers bonneville
RCB19 Hell, you know how it is,...everything must go at some point,...just have to see what someone is willing to give me for it, not looking to get rich!...just help me out with the DP on a new hull!
If i do sell it it will be sold with everything in it, like i said less motor-n-pump, kinda sucks though, i just went through everything to get it exactly the way ive wanted it for quite a while now and im gonna let her go!
New (chrome and red) powder coat,...motor plates, bellhousing, stringer rails, its all chrome!
Bilge is blocked and finished in a light grey.
New 40oz. marine grade carpet throughout (charcoal)
seats have a season on them (glass and covers are both new)
New wiring throughout
all cables have one summer on them
new steering wheel with 6" POLISHED ext.
stringer mnt. throttle assy (polished and red PC)
The scoop goes with the motor,(it was'nt cheap!)
The boat was sold a couple of weeks ago but the guy strung me along for a while and decided to go another way! (wanted it sight unseen but i think he found a gullwing)
If i sell it,..cool!...if i dont,...cool!
i know it runs good-n-hard and its paid for! :cool:
im just trying to keep up with the Jones's! lol
Todd
626-991-9031

[RCB19]

I dont think you will have a problem selling it. I think that everyone who has seen the boat will vouch on the perfection of it. Whoever ends up with it wont be dissapointed in any way. Sucks to hear the news cuz I know how much time you have into it. Care to spill the beans about the new ride???

[Cs19]

lets just say hes jumping on the bandwagon, and its not the cp bandwagon.
:cool:

[TRG]

Thanks for the kind words about my boat! (I think i've attacked every weak point in this boat now, she's good to go!)
In a perfect world i would but a 21' TPR (like daves boat) but i think i would settle for a 19 stealth.

[RCB19]

Does it have anything to do with an Island. :idea:

[TRG]

chris, that wagon can handle my weight! :D

[TRG]

Does it have anything to do with an Island. :idea:
Riddle me this??? im not following ya,... kinda dense right now! lol

[victorfb]

Todd, quit sniffin the resin man. keep the boat and run it. besides, Juzz and savana is gunna be ridding on the pontoon while we are scootin the bonni's. :D

[Squirtin Thunder]

Speeking of wagons, Vic have you put any thought into the old Ford sittin on the property rusting. Please let me know !!!

[TRG]

Tom Papp has a ferd sitting at his shop, you might want to give him a call on it, i know he wanted to sell it as is (800$?) carb to pan and i even think it had logs with it?
951-734-4606
im sure he still has it, not too many ferd peops around anymore, they all see to have wised up! :cool:

[Kev-o]

Yeah i agree you should stick with the project but here is a pic of a new 21` Eagle sport with bolt on curved glass, something new we are trying.http://www2.***boat.com/image_center/data/521/3140IM000493-med.JPG

[canuck1]

Kevo
I want a new 13' sprint for xmas, can you help?

[Kev-o]

Don`t build a lot of 13` sprints anymore, lots of 16`240 horse sport jets though. We can build anything you want$$$! sorry to jack the thread guy`s