What Bravo type outdrive do I need?

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Hi everybody,
I have a 25' Warlock cat that I just finished building the motor for and was wondering what outdrirve I should go with? What are your opinions on the different Bravo style drives that are out there? B-max is out of the picture as I have had some issues with them.
Thanks

[Havasu Hangin']

How much HP?

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Should be around 1100hp. Its a Quad Rotor 588ci.

[carreraboat]

max machine in havasu

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by carreraboat
max machine in havasu
How much do they go for and what all do they offer?

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by carreraboat
max machine in havasu
Or a #5 or #6 (since it's your money). Otherwise, you'll be breaking stuff (depending on if you have a loose nut on the steering wheel).

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Im gonna try not to break it and I know I should get a #6 there is just to much involved in doing that.

[copperrat20]

Go with a good old fashion xr. Great with reliability and if something does go wrong, there are kits galore out there to build them beefy. Not cheap either but it doesn't sound like you are penny tight using that quad rotor and all.

[Mandelon]

Check out the XR and accelerate v e r y s l o w l y ........:D

[THOR]

How much are #6 drives?

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by carreraboat
max machine in havasu
I agree.

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by THOR
How much are #6 drives?
best price I found was 21K for the drive it self, 13K for the transom assem, 4k for the tranny, and about 3k for the prop then I would have to re-rigg everything. So about $41,000 if I cant find some good used stuff.

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by Q-ROTOR WARLOCK
...I would have to re-rigg everything. So about $41,000 if I cant find some good used stuff.
And maybe move your engine?
On the other hand, $41K is only a few broken Bravos. Also, how about the guy who broke a drive in his (new to him) 42' Fountain...and sunk it?
Bellows are cheap, but a sunken boat may not be so cheap.

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by Havasu Hangin'
And maybe move your engine?
On the other hand, $41K is only a few broken Bravos. Also, how about the guy who broke a drive in his (new to him) 42' Fountain...and sunk it?
Bellows are cheap, but a sunken boat may not be so cheap.
Yes, by re-rigg I was also talking about moving the motor.

[Havasu Hangin']

How's the idle on that beast?

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

It actually idles really well, no lope. About 900rpms.

[gmocnik]

i am running a quad rotor 540 in a 25 daytona...
max machine worx drive....no dramas
call arron and jason. they know their stuff

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by gmocnik
i am running a quad rotor 540 in a 25 daytona...
max machine worx drive....no dramas
call arron and jason. they know their stuff
If you dont mind me asking about how much was the drive and is it a built XR or?

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

What about the IMCO Extreme SC?

[Kachina26]

Check out this IMCO click here (http://***boat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47115&highlight=rockit+man+drive) I think he wants 17,500 if he still has it

[OLDRAT]

If you "baby it" out of the hole, keep the grease fresh and a good drive shower you should be ok for awhile. Check with Max Machine, they are honest and do good work.
If I remember correctly, Info was pushing about 970-1000 hp through a somewhat stock Bravo (with the exception of different gear ratio) and had good luck, they just brought her out easy......

[Bling Bling]

Originally posted by carreraboat
max machine in havasu Ditto, I have a friend with a true 1100hp turbo motor in his 26 AO, very heavy arm on the throtlle, and no problems. If you have a little time, Pat weisman at Traction products is coming out with his own version of a bravo, and anything Pat puts together is usually pretty macho. It will definatly handle those wannabe blowers you have. (Ha HA):D

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by Bling Bling
It will definatly handle those wannabe blowers you have. (Ha HA):D
They do kinda sound like two pissed off squirles when you run it up. ha ha:D
Thanks for the info on Weisman.

[Whipped Caliber]

I'm running a quad rotor 565 Pfaff with a Imco SC in a 28' Deep vee so far so good!!! But I may have max machine work on it at the end of the summer. BTW 1,100 HP:rolleyes: 21 hour and $1,000.00 in gas so far. I will have the drive pulled next week for service.

[OGShocker]

Originally posted by Mandelon
Check out the XR and accelerate v e r y s l o w l y ........:D
I am selling a Bravo oneX. It will hold that kind of HP ......... at idle, if you don't put her in gear. :D
Contact Brian at B&D Marine, El Monte, CA. 626-443-3721.
This guy is awesome!!!

[Freak]

Arson - and they have a swap kit for bravo. It's not without it's own issues (low speed maneuverability blah blah)but you will not break it.

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

I talked to Max Machine today and they really know there stuff. They quoted me $9500 for everything. This is with a standard lower with a nose cone, both the upper and lower case are rebuilt. Does this seem like a good deal? I am not trying to argue a point but I can get a complete IMCO SC drive new for $8700. Money is money and with gas being the way it is every little bit helps, so I am just trying to make sure.
Again thanks

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by Q-ROTOR WARLOCK
I talked to Max Machine today and they really know there stuff. They quoted me $9500 for everything. This is with a standard lower with a nose cone, both the upper and lower case are rebuilt. Does this seem like a good deal? I am not trying to argue a point but I can get a complete IMCO SC drive new for $8700. Money is money and with gas being the way it is every little bit helps, so I am just trying to make sure.
Again thanks
$9500 is alot but its really worth it.My drive has been perfect from them.
I personally wouldnt buy an Imco drive,any of them.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Q-ROTOR WARLOCK
Should be around 1100hp. Its a Quad Rotor 588ci.
#6 drive or you are always gonna have the boat in the shop..... IMO.......

[C-2]

I know somebody with a new-used (never been installed on a boat) Teague Platinum drive for sale $5K, I think they retail for about $8K.

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by C-2
I know somebody with a new-used (never been installed on a boat) Teague Platinum drive for sale $5K, I think they retail for about $8K.
That is a good deal but I just know to many people that have broken their upgraded bravos. I dont know of many that have broken the Extreme SC. Has anybody on here broken one?

[mike37]

Originally posted by C-2
I know somebody with a new-used (never been installed on a boat) Teague Platinum drive for sale $5K, I think they retail for about $8K.
how much HP can that drive take

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

I think they are supposed to be good for 750 or so.

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

So does the $9500 price tag sound about right to you guys that have them. again thats with rebuilt XR upper and lower case. The lower has WPM nose cone and then all the Max Machine stuff inside both the upper and lower.

[Jrocket]

Originally posted by Q-ROTOR WARLOCK
So does the $9500 price tag sound about right to you guys that have them. again thats with rebuilt XR upper and lower case. The lower has WPM nose cone and then all the Max Machine stuff inside both the upper and lower.
Actually i think mine was more like $9800.They have billet U-joints out now too,ask about them.
Their cutomer service is worth alot.Ask anybody that deals with them.

[riverliver]

Originally posted by Q-ROTOR WARLOCK
That is a good deal but I just know to many people that have broken their upgraded bravos. I dont know of many that have broken the Extreme SC. Has anybody on here broken one?
Just had to rebuild mine :(

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by riverliver
Just had to rebuild mine :(
For 1100 HP.... #6 drive.........

[riverliver]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
For 1100 HP.... #6 drive.........
A #6 would be nice !!!!

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by riverliver
A #6 would be nice !!!!
Yeah, but then there's the $$$$$$$$$$$
Problem is that the bravo type drive even the super duper upgraded ones just have a limit. And it seems lots of people push the engine beyond the drive's limitations. Just my $.02

[riverliver]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
Yeah, but then there's the $$$$$$$$$$$
Problem is that the bravo type drive even the super duper upgraded ones just have a limit. And it seems lots of people push the engine beyond the drive's limitations. Just my $.02
This is true, But when it comes to 9k vs 30k most people will take a chance with the bravo. You may get luck and get a few hours on it but it is just a matter of time as they can NOT handel the power !!! #6 is the only way to go if you have the $$$$$

[Jrocket]

Not sure if a #6 would be the best for a 25 Warlock?Not alot of room for the trans and what not.It would be nice to have one and all but I would stick with the Bravo drive.#6's are indeed nice but they also have alot of service that has to be done on them.Dinging a prop on one of them would make my wallet cry!:D

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Jrocket
Not sure if a #6 would be the best for a 25 Warlock?Not alot of room for the trans and what not.It would be nice to have one and all but I would stick with the Bravo drive.#6's are indeed nice but they also have alot of service that has to be done on them.Dinging a prop on one of them would make my wallet cry!:D
You could always install an Arneson..........;)

[riverliver]

The rebuilds make me cry.... #6 with stand off for the tranny.

[riverliver]

BTW Dr. Eagle You got 30k i can have.... LOL

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by riverliver
BTW Dr. Eagle You got 30k i can have.... LOL
Yen?

[Jrocket]

#6 dry sump with trans.....42K maybe?

[Havasu Hangin']

Originally posted by Jrocket
#6 dry sump with trans.....42K maybe?
I've seen them used for $15K- $20K on OSO.

[riverliver]

Originally posted by Jrocket
#6 dry sump with trans.....42K maybe?
I was talking with Gary at GT and he said about 32k with the stand off and tranny. He was putting one on a Conquest.

[Dr. Eagle]

Originally posted by Havasu Hangin'
Yen?
Pesos........

[Q-ROTOR WARLOCK]

Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
For 1100 HP.... #6 drive.........
Believe me I know. I got tired of breaking bravos on my V bottom boat so when I got my new V I went with the #6. On a very heavy boat with allot of drag and power I understand that you need the #6's so thats what I did.
I have had my Warlock since it was new in 91' and just loved the boat to much to ever sell it. Up until last year it has had it original drive that was only rebuilt one time back in 96' when I bent a prop shaft. The boat started with a NA 540 back in 91 and after that we have run many blower motors some with NOS also. I have run just about every blower you could in this boat from a 420 Mega Blower to a 12-71 LittleField and now a Quad Rotor. When Tom Stolarz built this boat I had him raise the X dimenson allot and lighten the deck etc. so this might add to why I had such luck with the bravo. Jrocket also mentioned the other problem. If I went with the #6 I would loose the back seat almost completly. Especially after talking with Max Machine I dont think I will have a problem running their Bravo.

[Jrocket]

Riverliver,I'll call you tomorrow.