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goneboatin
06-13-2004, 03:16 PM
I was looking for a new TV, (something larger), for the den. I was going to blow my wad on a plasma unit when another customer told that plasma is old technology, and don't waste my money. Plasmas are disposable too. The gas in them is good only for 5-7 years max. Don't get me wrong that plasmas look cool, but come on 10 large for a disposable tv? Oh yeah, don't let the kids play video games on them either, they suffer from burn-in.
This customer also told me the way to go is an LCD projection TV - don't go with a DLP (digital light processing), it had a spinning mirror. The LCD projection just has a light that needs to be replaced every 2-3 year for about $120 now, problably cheaper as they become more popular.
I found a Sony 60" for $3700, but fell in love with the XBR high zoot version for $5400, and nobodys making deals on these. Anybody got any of these that fell off the truck, or have the connection? PM me if any you peeps out there have any referrals.
GB

riverliver
06-13-2004, 03:25 PM
I found a PANASONIC - PT-60LC13 60-IN LCD Multimedia Projection Display Television At Howards for $3299 and found lots of cheaper deals on th net for around $2700 but they are all in NY.. I have a hard time sending that kind of money over the net to some tv sales guy...

goneboatin
06-13-2004, 07:11 PM
I've heard of stories from people who bought TV's on the net and they turned out to be grey market one's. They're bound for other countries and if the serial numbers show that, manufacturer will void the warranty. So, I have reservations about sending that much money on my credit card for something I have no control over. Plus like you said, riverliver, they're all in New York and the east coast. Maybe I'll check out Howard's. Thanks for the tip.

MagicMtnDan
06-13-2004, 10:51 PM
Go to Costco and pick yourself up a 64" RPTV for $1999 - it's a Pioneer SD-643HD5 - uses CRT technology in a rear projection unit delivering high quality at a very attractive price.

XClutchboy725
06-14-2004, 06:34 AM
Check with ROZ here on the boards. He hooked me up with the Sony 50" Grand Wega at an unbelievable price!
I think that XBR is one that he can't do the killer deal on right now, but I could be wrong...

DOHARA
06-14-2004, 07:41 AM
LCD's are the way to go compared to a plasma's. I shopped around for a while and went with a toshiba cinema series 51" HD projection tv and love it. I got a good deal at pacific sales. tv and a solid wood entertainment center, delivery, setup & 6 year warranty for 2900.00 out the door. Always remember that your picture quality will depend on your service providers signal quality. I would check out mitsubishi's diamond series or toshiba's cinema series 91 or 93hx models if you go with a crt rear projection. LCD if you want to spend the cash.
Good luck. TV shopping is a pain in the ass.
ROZ is good person to talk to.
Dano

carbonmarine
06-14-2004, 08:14 AM
*** MAKE SURE YOU NEW TV IS HDMI ENABLED ***
Very important...... all dvd's,Set Tops, stereos and H Theaters components will be HDMI after July - Its all digital interface..
www.hdmi.org
Rick32

Steamin' Rice
06-14-2004, 08:21 AM
Check with Roz.............

ROZ
06-14-2004, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by carbonmarine
*** MAKE SURE YOU NEW TV IS HDMI ENABLED ***
Very important...... all dvd's,Set Tops, stereos and H Theaters components will be HDMI after July - Its all digital interface..
www.hdmi.org
Rick32 DVI and HDMI are compatible with each other in both directions...

ROZ
06-14-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by goneboatin
Plasmas are disposable too. The gas in them is good only for 5-7 years max. Don't get me wrong that plasmas look cool, but come on 10 large for a disposable tv? Oh yeah, don't let the kids play video games on them either, they suffer from burn-in.
GlastronGuy posted a link to the 10 big myths about plasma tv. You need to read it. Disposable? gas is only good for 5 years? Any tv using pospherous will burn it if you have a static picture on it for 12 hours a day for 6 months.... I've seen plenty of direct and rearprojection tv's come in with burn in over the years....
Originally posted by goneboatin
This customer also told me the way to go is an LCD projection TV - don't go with a DLP (digital light processing), it had a spinning mirror. The LCD projection just has a light that needs to be replaced every 2-3 year for about $120 now, problably cheaper as they become more popular. The mirrors don't spin. A color wheen spins... It to has a bulb.... the bulbs(DLP and LCD rear projection) are generally good for thousands of hours... How much tv do you watch?
Originally posted by goneboatin
I found a Sony 60" for $3700, but fell in love with the XBR high zoot version for $5400, and nobodys making deals on these. Anybody got any of these that fell off the truck, or have the connection? PM me if any you peeps out there have any referrals.
GB
Not enough available to fall off a truck.... The xbr and the WE610 share the same light engine asembly. Unless you need the HD tuner or like another feature(s) on the XBR, it's a waste of money.
Just my .02

ROZ
06-14-2004, 02:54 PM
That be the Samsung HLN617w1 DLP. If your pops (engineer) says it's good, then it's good ;) Plenty of bells and lots of whistles :D

PHX ATC
06-14-2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by ROZ
That be the Samsung HLN617w1 DLP. If your pops (engineer) says it's good, then it's good ;) Plenty of bells and lots of whistles :D
Exactly the one I've got my sights set on!:)

ROZ
06-14-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by PHX ATC
Exactly the one I've got my sights set on!:) Where can I have my AZ guys deliver it to?;) :D :cool:

carbonmarine
06-14-2004, 03:26 PM
HDMI & DVI are NOT comaptable each away ..... Only in the sense of video in/out . - NO AUDIO.
AGAIN : IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT BUYING ANYTHING TRULY HIGH DEFINITION OR DIGITAL .... ** MAKE 110% SURE IT IS HDMI ENABLED. ** DVI IS FAULTY. CABLES and BOARDS ON THE DIVICES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. HDMI ADRESSES THIS ISSUE - WHICH IS WHY HDMI IS COMING TO THE RESCUE. * 8 CHANNELS OF DIGITAL AUDIO & VIDEO IN ONE SIMPLE, CLEAN PACKAGE.. What this means is : Never ever worry about what goes where again !!!
NOTE: ALL DEVICE/ COMPONENT MFRS ARE SELLING 3RD AND EARLY 4th GENERATION SHIT AT DEEP DISCOUNTS TO RESELLERS- RETAILERS ( BEST BUY, FRY's, CiRcuit SHITTY,etc ) IN ORDER
TO GET WHAT IN THE CHANNEL FLUSHED ...... HDMI IS ALMOST HERE - YOU WILL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT - So wait it out a lil longer !
Rick32

ROZ
06-14-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by carbonmarine
HDMI & DVI are NOT comaptable each away ..... Only in the sense of video in/out . - NO AUDIO.
AGAIN : IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT BUYING ANYTHING TRULY HIGH DEFINITION OR DIGITAL .... ** MAKE 110% SURE IT IS HDMI ENABLED. ** DVI IS FAULTY. CABLES and BOARDS ON THE DIVICES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. HDMI ADRESSES THIS ISSUE - WHICH IS WHY HDMI IS COMING TO THE RESCUE. * 8 CHANNELS OF DIGITAL AUDIO & VIDEO IN ONE SIMPLE, CLEAN PACKAGE.. What this means is : Never ever worry about what goes where again !!!
NOTE: ALL DEVICE/ COMPONENT MFRS ARE SELLING 3RD AND EARLY 4th GENERATION SHIT AT DEEP DISCOUNTS TO RESELLERS- RETAILERS ( BEST BUY, FRY's, CiRcuit SHITTY,etc ) IN ORDER
TO GET WHAT IN THE CHANNEL FLUSHED ...... HDMI IS ALMOST HERE - YOU WILL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT - So wait it out a lil longer !
Rick32 I didn't mean each eay as in audio and video, but as in source to tv and back. like new to old product.. It is VIDEO compatible, but that's all DVI ever was....
I don't know that DVI is faulty, but there is no standard protocal. Maybe that's the fault.. Most manufacturers don't guarantee the picture quality when you mix manufacture sources to tv's. Only their own. I've seen plenty of mixed products have the jitters...
HDMI will shouldy cure that. We already have the new Panasonic HDMI units ;)
Who do you work for ?
Too bad it's only 2 way communication for control purposes, or atleast from what I've heard...

Hal
06-14-2004, 04:26 PM
Roz, Whats the best bang for the buck in big screens right now. Lets say in the 2 to $3000 range? or do I need to spend more?Just want something nice don't need all the bells and whistles.

Huntingtonbeach
06-14-2004, 04:41 PM
Perfect timing on this thread... we were looking at the samsung DLP's also... they worth it? or is the sony better or is it something else? You delivering to Havasu Roz? I might have to take one of those jumbo sets off your hands ;)

goneboatin
06-14-2004, 05:00 PM
Boy, am I glad I posted this thread. I never knew anything about HDMI prior this thread and I almost spent over 5 grand on an obsolete unit.
All you guys, thanks alot for all your input, it's made me a more informed shopper.
Now what am I gonna do with this $5000 burning a hole in my pocket?

Phat Matt
06-14-2004, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by goneboatin
Boy, am I glad I posted this thread. I never knew anything about HDMI prior this thread and I almost spent over 5 grand on an obsolete unit.
All you guys, thanks alot for all your input, it's made me a more informed shopper.
Now what am I gonna do with this $5000 burning a hole in my pocket?
How about hookers and beer for everyone involved in this thread? :D

ROZ
06-14-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Phat Matt
How about hookers and beer for everyone involved in this thread? :D I think Mande can pop for this one :D

Bense468
06-14-2004, 07:35 PM
WEll then I better get in here.
I too am looking for a big screen. Whats the best line up for a 45-50 roz. The room it is going in is a little small. I did some shopping and got quickly confused. Saw a LCD I liked and saw a DLP I liked. Not sure what the difference is. Was told one is sharper then the other. Looking to spend no more then 3 g's on a 45-50.

Blown 472
06-14-2004, 07:43 PM
That is alot of coin to spend to sit and watch crap and help turn you mind to ooze.:rolleyes:

Bense468
06-14-2004, 08:08 PM
yeah but the porn is great.

PHX ATC
06-14-2004, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by ROZ
Where can I have my AZ guys deliver it to?;) :D :cool:
Soon, Roz, soon.
We'll be in San Marcos in October...we might have to load one up in our truck to bring home!

Woodster
06-14-2004, 09:17 PM
The Samsung HLN's are the sh@t...Roz just hooked me up with the 56"model..With the high def tuner the picture is incredible..Thanks again ROZ..Let me know when u wanna do your garage floor:)

ROZ
06-14-2004, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by PHX ATC
Soon, Roz, soon.
We'll be in San Marcos in October...we might have to load one up in our truck to bring home! Are you from here or are ya comming to see TOBTEK? :D

NashvilleBound
06-15-2004, 06:16 AM
I think bagging on the plasmas aint right....... I'm enjoying the hell outta mine! Thanks ROZ!!!!!!! It faces right to me when we are in bed!

PHX ATC
06-15-2004, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by ROZ
Are you from here or are ya comming to see TOBTEK? :D
Despite the fact TOBTEK and I share the same name, I've never met him. We have some friends that live up on the mountain in San Marcos that we are visiting.

riverliver
06-15-2004, 06:45 AM
Hey Roz Is this a good TV ????
PANASONIC - PT-60LC13 60-IN LCD Multimedia Projection Display Television

DOHARA
06-15-2004, 07:30 AM
Here's a good site to learn about brand specific and tv terminology.
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/isf/isf.html
Dano

ROZ
06-15-2004, 12:44 PM
I pulled this from the Sony site. Basic differences between types of tv's available...
Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) direct view.
WHAT IT IS. The conventional television. You're looking at the front of a large glass envelope, the inside of which is coated with phosphors. The picture is formed by an electron beam, the "cathode ray" that makes the phosphors glow.
BENEFITS. Despite the new competition, the CRT continues to be the most popular type of television. It's not hard to see why. The age of the flat CRT, ushered in by Sony's own FD Trinitron® picture tube, means that today's best CRTs are more accurate than ever. Not only do CRTs offer the lowest cost for each screen size, they also offer longevity and the best picture quality. With CRTs, the blacks are blacker and the contrast is greater. You also get the widest viewing angle, and the bright picture stands up well to ambient room light. And CRTs are not saddled with altitude limits, so you can watch them anywhere.
LIMITATIONS. CRT televisions are the heaviest. A 32-inch CRT television can weigh over 200 pounds and is typically over 20 inches deep. Direct-view CRTs are also limited in screen size. Few CRTs are larger than 36 inches diagonal. Sony's largest is 40 inches diagonal. Speakers need to be magnetically shielded, so as not to interfere with the CRT electron guns.
Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) direct view.
WHAT IT IS. Liquid-crystal display technology first appeared in the early 1970's. LCD is used in front projectors, rear-projection TVs, and flat-panel displays. Like a laptop computer screen, a flat panel direct view LCD consists of a panel of viscous liquid sandwiched in plastic. The liquid is driven by a network of transistors that control individual pixels. When a transistor delivers an electrical charge, the crystals 'untwist' to an exact degree to filter light generated by a lamp behind the screen.
BENEFITS. LCDs are far thinner, lighter and sleeker than CRTs, making them favorites of interior decorators. LCDs also need no convergence. They're immune from "burn-in," so there's never any harm from videogames left on too long, DVDs in pause or station logos on the corner of the screen. LCDs also need no magnetic shielding from your loudspeakers. And there are no altitude limits. So they're ideal from sea level to Denver!
LIMITATIONS. Currently LCD televisions cost more and they are somewhat limited in viewing angle and contrast ratio. LCDs are generally limited to screen sizes of 30 inches and less, although larger sizes are soon to appear in the marketplace.
Plasma Display Panel.
WHAT IT IS. Another flat panel technology, this contains chambers of plasma gas for each pixel. The plasma pixels are made to glow by a network of electrodes. Plasma is the king of the "wow factor" technologies—giant-screen televisions currently up to 63 inches diagonal, yet svelte enough to mount on the wall, in an armoire or on a tabletop stand. Even large plasma TVs can be as thin as 5-1/4 inches. The picture is only part of the beauty.
BENEFITS. Because the screen brightness comes from the plasma itself, these panels have a wide viewing angle. Plasma models have wide 16:9 aspect ratio screens and a high enough pixel count to achieve HDTV-level resolution. Unlike LCDs, plasma panels are broadly available in larger screen sizes. Plasma panels also need no convergence. And they need no magnetic shielding from your loudspeakers.
LIMITATIONS. Although today's plasma panels offer excellent picture quality, their black levels and contrast still cannot match CRTs. Unlike LCDs, plasma can be affected by image retention and "burn in." Care needs to be taken when selecting aspect ratio and using videogames to avoid the possibility of image retention. Plasma panels can generate an acoustic buzz when used at high altitudes (altitude more than 6,200 feet above sea level or air pressure less than 800 hPa). This is caused by the difference between the pressure inside the panel and the pressure outside.
CRT rear projection.
WHAT IT IS. The most popular choice for giant screens. These are single piece, self-contained televisions. They typically use three small CRTs—one each for red, green and blue. The resulting light is projected through a lens and mirror system behind the screen.
BENEFITS. As in direct view, rear projection CRTs offer superior performance and moderate cost. With the clever packaging of today's rear projection systems, CRT rear projectors are not much larger than rear projection systems using LCDs. And there are no altitude limits.
LIMITATIONS. Can't quite match the viewing angle of direct-view CRT. Requires periodic convergence adjustment to ensure CRTs remain in alignment and provide a clear, sharp picture. To make convergence easy, Sony's Flash Focus™ system performs this alignment in seconds. CRT rear projection can be affected by image retention and "burn in." Care needs to be taken when selecting aspect ratio and using videogames to avoid the possibility of image retention due to uneven aging of the CRTs. And your speakers need to be magnetically shielded, so as not to interfere with the CRT electron guns.
LCD rear projection.
WHAT IT IS. These systems shine a high-intensity light through a single LCD panel or three individual LCD panels for Red, Green and Blue. The resulting light is projected through a series of lenses and reflected off a mirror behind the screen.
BENEFITS. Systems that use three LCD panels—one each for red, green and blue—can achieve superlative picture quality. LCD rear projection can deliver slightly better color than typical DLP™ models because the three LCD panels can be individually adjusted. LCD rear projection features compact size and light weight. Easy bulb replacement by the user brings the television back to like-new brightness levels. The LCD panels are fixed in place and therefore need no convergence adjustment. LCDs are immune from "burn-in," so there's never any harm from videogames left on too long, DVDs in pause or station logos on the corner of the screen. LCDs also need no magnetic shielding from your loudspeakers. And there are no altitude limits.
LIMITATIONS. Black levels and contrast still cannot match today's best CRTs. Can't quite match the viewing angle of direct-view CRT.
LCD front projection.
WHAT IT IS. These are small, portable projectors that project an image onto a separate component screen or a white wall. They work by shining a high-intensity light through a single miniature LCD panel or three individual panels for Red, Green and Blue. The resulting light is projected through a lens system onto the screen.
BENEFITS. If you want the biggest possible picture, LCD front projection is the definite way to go. You can project images as large as 25 feet diagonal. If you want the least impact on your home décor, that's another good reason to go this route. In portable use, you can place the projector on a coffee table. For permanent installation, the projector can be suspended from the ceiling. So it's out of the way during daily life. There's more. LCDs need no convergence and are immune from "burn-in." They need no magnetic shielding from your loudspeakers. There are no altitude limits. And the brightness comes from a light bulb that is replaceable.
LIMITATIONS. Ambient light needs to be controlled to get the brightest picture, especially when projecting at the biggest screen sizes.
DLP demo... How it works... (http://www.dlp.com/Default.asp?DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Other+OT+home_dlp&bhcp=1#Scene_1)

ROZ
06-15-2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by riverliver
Hey Roz Is this a good TV ????
PANASONIC - PT-60LC13 60-IN LCD Multimedia Projection Display Television I like the picture. I know of someone who had a bulb go out prematurely, but hasn't had a problem since. The lc13 is being phased out and the new PT60LC14's will be ordered soon. I believe the LC14 will have the HDMI compatible. The LC13 is DVI....
There are some really killer deals on those lc13's, though. We're selling them retail at 2999.99 ....We paid 2700.00 for them...Retail was 3999.99

goneboatin
06-15-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by goneboatin
Now what am I gonna do with this $5000 burning a hole in my pocket?
Taco truck adjacent to McDonald's in Parker on Saturday night....Be there or be square!