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carbonmarine
06-24-2004, 10:40 AM
** A Democratic group crucial to John Kerry's presidential campaign has paid felons - convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary - to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in at least three election swing states.
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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) - A Democratic group crucial to John Kerry's presidential campaign has paid felons - some convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary - to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in at least three election swing states.
America Coming Together, contending that convicted criminals deserve a second chance in society, employs felons as voter canvassers in major metropolitan areas in Missouri, Florida, Ohio and perhaps in other states among the 17 it is targeting in its drive. Some lived in halfway houses, and at least four returned to prison.
ACT canvassers ask residents which issues are important to them and, if they are not registered, sign them up as voters. They gather telephone numbers and other personal information, such as driver's license numbers or partial Social Security numbers, depending on what a state requires for voter registration.
Felons on probation or parole are ineligible to vote in many states. Doug Lewis, executive director of the Election Center, which represents election officials, said he is unaware of any laws against felons registering others to vote.
A review of federal campaign finance and state criminal records by The Associated Press revealed that the names and hometowns of dozens of ACT employees in Missouri, Florida and Ohio matched those of people convicted of crimes such as burglary, forgery, drug dealing, assault and sex offenses.
Although it works against the re-election of President Bush, ACT is an independent group not affiliated with Kerry's campaign - federal law forbids such coordination. Yet ACT is stocked with veteran Democratic political operatives, many with past ties to Kerry and his advisers.
Allison Dobson, a spokeswoman with the Kerry campaign, said there is no coordination with ACT, and of the policy: "We're unaware of it and have nothing to do with it."
ACT plans to spend about $100 million on initiatives to get out the vote for the presidential election, which likely will turn on how well Kerry and Bush can get their supporters to the polls.
ACT does not believe the felons it sends door to door pose a threat to the public, said Mo Elleithee, a Washington-based spokesman for the group.
"We believe it's important to give people a second chance," Elleithee said. "The fact that they are willing to do this work is a fairly serious indication that they want to become productive members of society."
Although ACT asks job applicants to cite their criminal history and hires some felons and not others, Elleithee would not reveal how many felons ACT has hired to canvass neighborhoods and register voters. They earn $8 to $12 per hour.
Elleithee confirmed that felons have been hired in Missouri, Florida and Ohio and said it is possible they have been hired in the other 14 states in which it's conducting its drive: Arizona, Arkansas, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Ed Gillespie, the chairman of the Republican Party, issued a statement calling the policy "disturbing" and questioned the use of felons "to go house to house and handle sensitive personal information."
In response, Elleithee cited Bush's speech Monday in Ohio, in which he applauded government, religious and community-based programs that give a helping hand to felons after they are released from prison.
"It seems to me that the president seems to agree with our philosophy that people deserve a second chance and deserve the right to re-enter society," Elleithee said.
Citing security concerns for the public and the felons, the Missouri Department of Corrections in April banished ACT from its pool of potential employers for parolees in its halfway houses in Kansas City and St. Louis, department spokesman John Fougere said. Five ACT employees lived at the Kansas City Community Release Center and two others at the St. Louis Community Release Center earlier this year.
"From a public safety standpoint, we didn't want offenders to be in a situation where they would be handling that information," Fougere said. Officials also were concerned the door-to-door campaign would put felons at greater risk of false accusations, he said.
Among the ACT employees in Ohio was a woman convicted of gross sexual imposition. She completed her parole 12 years ago.
"If she was still on parole that job wouldn't have been approved," said Andrea Dean, spokeswoman for the Ohio Department of Correction. "People who have been out of prison and haven't had any other problems with law enforcement, they should be given that second chance to be viable citizens."
In Florida, most felons released from prison are not on parole or probation. "If they're released from our custody and there is no other supervision ... we can't prohibit them from taking a job like this," said Sterling Ivey, a spokesman for the Florida Department of Corrections.
ACT adopted a policy against employing violent felons this spring, Elleithee said, but he declined to release it or describe what the group considered violent.
"We're constantly looking internally to better our hiring practices," he said. "But the bottom line is we would never hire anyone who we felt was a threat to anyone else."
At least two felons who were stationed at a Missouri halfway house have since moved into the community and are again employed by ACT "and are a tremendous part of our team," Elleithee said.
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Associated Press Writers John McCarthy in Columbus, Ohio, and Mike Schneider in Orlando, Fla., contributed to this report.

Lake Pirate
06-24-2004, 10:47 AM
Can we discuss recidivism or are y'all going to go all spastic on me? (Again :rolleyes: )

rrrr
06-24-2004, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Can we discuss recidivism or are y'all going to go all spastic on me? (Again :rolleyes: )
No, don't bother.

summerlove
06-24-2004, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by carbonmarine
ACT is an independent group not affiliated with Kerry's campaign - federal law forbids such coordination.
Allison Dobson, a spokeswoman with the Kerry campaign, said there is no coordination with ACT, and of the policy: "We're unaware of it and have nothing to do with it."
And it starts anew.....
let's see, Bush is the First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. He also appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
:rolleyes:

HM
06-24-2004, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by rrrr
No, don't bother.
What he said.

RiverDave
06-24-2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Can we discuss recidivism or are y'all going to go all spastic on me? (Again :rolleyes: )
You bring that shit on yourself Lake Pirate...
It might have something to do with your posts. I'm not sure about that though.. LOL :D
RD

summerlove
06-24-2004, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by RiverDave
You bring that shit on yourself Lake Pirate...
It might have something to do with your posts. I'm not sure about that though.. LOL :D
RD
Hey RD, leave the guy alone...He's got my back!;) :D

Lake Pirate
06-24-2004, 11:03 AM
Too late! You'll have to push the ignore button or just continue to keep your mind closed.
Did you know that most convicted felons are in the hoosegow for hot checks and minor drug offences? (At least the first time.)
Taking a hard line against felons assimilating into society really leaves them no recourse but to fall backwards instead of moving forward. I'm not sure if we have more criminals per capita than other countries but I do know we lead the Universe in recidivism and total prison population. Based on that there is the off chance we might be doing something wrong?
I know we offer halfway houses, prisoner education and free psychology to the criminals but it still doesn't seem to be working. (Even a little bit.)
The odds of a murderer or burgular knocking on your door are in direct proportion to the size of the prison community itself. More likely than not you will meet someone who couldn't cover hot checks or someone who got caught with coke or meth at least once.
I'm all for murderers, people that harm children, and rapists being killed slowly and painfully on pay per view. However that still leaves the majority whom are more than likely going to make life decisions upon their release based on how they are treated by society.
A good solution might be allowing non violent first timers to still vote without a governors amnesty and to allow their indescetion to be stricken from their record after a reasonable time...say, five years? By branding them for life we are not giving them a real shot to do the right thing.

carbonmarine
06-24-2004, 11:04 AM
Stick to the Point here boys.....
" CROOKS FOR KERRY "
Rick32

summerlove
06-24-2004, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by carbonmarine
Stick to the Point here boys.....
" CROOKS FOR KERRY "
Rick32
Everyone deserves a second chance, well, almost everyone.;)

miller19j
06-24-2004, 11:20 AM
Go Kerry!!!......... Lol :D

clownpuncher
06-24-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Can we discuss "recidivism" or are y'all going to go all spastic on me? (Again :rolleyes: )
Holy shit. I'm gonna have to look that one up.

Essex502
06-24-2004, 11:33 AM
Talk about crooks...what about Cheney and Enron? Won't even say whether or not Kenneth Lay and others from Enron met with him to advise on energy policy...we all know how honest the Enron folks were...Just because Bush/Cheney have "corporate" criminal friends/associates and "I don't have to disclose who advised me" advisors, don't point the finger so fast at Kerry...

rrrr
06-24-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by clownpuncher
Holy shit. I'm gonna have to look that one up.
Which one, y'all or spastic?
:D

al cole'holic
06-24-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
A good solution might be allowing non violent first timers to still vote without a governors amnesty and to allow their indescetion to be stricken from their record after a reasonable time...say, five years? By branding them for life we are not giving them a real shot to do the right thing.
HOLY SHIT, you actually make sense here LP :eek:
This would certainly make me feel better in my life, I am in a position you speak of here :D

OutCole'd
06-24-2004, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by rrrr
Which one, y'all or spastic?
:D
Both please.:D

CA Stu
06-24-2004, 11:47 AM
My prediction:
Bush barely wins in 2004, all the liberals pull their "head in the sand" move and claim the election was rigged.
"Keep counting until you come up with a result I like" seems to be the Democratic Party line.
I know whom I'm voting for, it's my privelege as a non-felon.
If you don't like it, vote the other way.
Cheers
CA Stu<-- Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. But I gotta vote my wallet, man...

cigarette1
06-24-2004, 12:12 PM
Come on Rick ... are they REALLY on Kerry's payroll ... or are YOU just bending the facts a little ;)

Lake Pirate
06-24-2004, 12:14 PM
With any luck the burning "Bush" will fizzle his dizzle and the Green party will find roots. My prediction is that Bush will win and the world will immediately suffer drought, pestilence and nuclear winter. (If we don't go broke first.)

summerlove
06-24-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by cigarette1
Come on Rick ... are they REALLY on Kerry's payroll ... or are YOU just bending the facts a little ;)
Notice how he popped in and now is nowhere to be found...I think "Mr. Sensation" likes to stir the pot a little....;)

HighRoller
06-24-2004, 02:52 PM
Talk about crooks...what about Cheney and Enron? Won't even say whether or not Kenneth Lay and others from Enron met with him to advise on energy policy...we all know how honest the Enron folks were...Just because Bush/Cheney have "corporate" criminal friends/associates and "I don't have to disclose who advised me" advisors, don't point the finger so fast at Kerry...
By "crooks", you are referring to Bill Clinton, right? Because Kenneth Lay visited the Clinton white house frequently, contributed huge amounts of money to him, and the "cooking the books" incident at Enron occured between 1993 and 2000.We all knew who was president back then. The huge corporate scandals all occurred on Clinton's watch so don't even try to blame it on Cheney or Bush. Ken Lay sucks up to whoever he figures will do him a favor once in a while, not just Republicans.

Blown 472
06-24-2004, 03:03 PM
You guys crack me up, you really think that it makes a diff who is in office? we are going to get ****ed no matter what, long ago it was by the people for the people, now it is by the corp for the corp.
Reb. Dem. they dont give a **** about what you want, they will tell you what you want to hear to get in office then the lobbiest set the tone for the country. Why dont you use some of this energy to call these ****s and tell them what you want done or they will get booted, oh shit thats right the wwf is on and the beer is cold.:rolleyes:

summerlove
06-24-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by HighRoller
By "crooks", you are referring to Bill Clinton, right? Because Kenneth Lay visited the Clinton white house frequently, contributed huge amounts of money to him, and the "cooking the books" incident at Enron occured between 1993 and 2000.We all knew who was president back then. The huge corporate scandals all occurred on Clinton's watch so don't even try to blame it on Cheney or Bush. Ken Lay sucks up to whoever he figures will do him a favor once in a while, not just Republicans.
Blah:D Blah:D Balh:D ...

carbonmarine
06-24-2004, 03:13 PM
Cig that was Associated Press... I just cut & paste around here.
Rick32

cigarette1
06-24-2004, 03:35 PM
I wouldn't call this on his payroll .....
Although it works against the re-election of President Bush, ACT is an independent group not affiliated with Kerry's campaign - federal law forbids such coordination. Yet ACT is stocked with veteran Democratic political operatives, many with past ties to Kerry and his advisers....
G

HighRoller
06-24-2004, 03:37 PM
Blown, you don't know WTF you're talking about....it's WWE now:D I agree with you on politicians. One minute Bush makes me proud, then he turns around and sells out the whole country to illegal immigrants. I think we all should stop voting, or for that matter all stop paying attention to politicians completely. I'm tired of these self-important piss ants telling me how hard they work when they can't even balance the budget like an average American.

summerlove
06-24-2004, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by HighRoller
Blown, you don't know WTF you're talking about....it's WWE now:D I agree with you on politicians. One minute Bush makes me proud, then he turns around and sells out the whole country to illegal immigrants. I think we all should stop voting, or for that matter all stop paying attention to politicians completely. I'm tired of these self-important piss ants telling me how hard they work when they can't even balance the budget like an average American.
Who kidnapped High Roller because that's not really him talking....someone must have him - come on, free HR....;)

twistedpair
06-24-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Blown 472
You guys crack me up, you really think that it makes a diff who is in office? we are going to get ****ed no matter what, long ago it was by the people for the people, now it is by the corp for the corp.
Reb. Dem. they dont give a **** about what you want, they will tell you what you want to hear to get in office then the lobbiest set the tone for the country. Why dont you use some of this energy to call these ****s and tell them what you want done or they will get booted, oh shit thats right the wwf is on and the beer is cold.:rolleyes:
Thank You! They both throw out crumbs to us poor unwashed in return for our votes. It just so happens that Gee Dub's pals have the crumbs that I am more partial to (guns, gas, open public lands...things that go BANG in general).
Now back to the original thread!:D Being a felon does not necessarily make you a bad guy in my book. I have a few of my own circle of friends who have a rather checkered past. There is also a certain 'glass guy, who is a guest of Club Fed, who many a board member would (and do) stand up for.
That said, Kerry is a DOUCHE, I don't care who his friends are.