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Essex502
06-29-2004, 09:59 AM
Shell accused of shorting gas supply
By: EDMOND JACOBY - Staff Writer
As North County's ---- indeed, California's ---- motoring public adapts to unrelenting high retail gasoline prices that some pundits say will move past the $2.50-per-gallon mark before summer's end, one refiner has come under fire for allegedly setting refinery maintenance schedules that limit gasoline output during periods of peak demand.
The Foundation for Taxpayer & Consumer Rights of Santa Monica on Monday charged that Shell Oil Co. set maintenance schedules for California refineries during the last few weeks before the Labor Day weekend, when gasoline consumption surges.
The foundation, a consumer activist group, additionally said it possessed documents proving that the company's plan, announced in November, to close its Bakersfield refinery because it was unprofitable was duplicitous. The Bakersfield refinery was actually Shell's most profitable, the foundation said, citing a Shell Powerpoint slide show that apparently was for internal company use only.
The company immediately denied the charges.
The foundation said it acquired internal Shell documents demonstrating that the company acted in a way that was designed to reduce gasoline supplies at a critical time.
"Shell is decreasing utilization during the summer months by setting its schedule for planned maintenance at both Bakersfield and Martinez refineries during maximum utilization periods when California is almost certain to be short on fuel," foundation President Jamie Court said.
The documents, he said, "provide incontrovertible evidence the company has once again misled California."
One document supplied to the North County Times by the foundation appears to show that planned utilization at Bakersfield falls from 95.4 percent in June to 91.6 percent in July and to 87.9 percent in August. Similarly, the document appears to indicate that utilization at Martinez is scheduled to drop from 96.3 percent in June to 86 percent in July, then rise to 91.6 percent in August.
Maintenance originally planned to take place in mid-July was moved to August, and some refinery components were scheduled for July turnaround maintenance lasting as long as 25 days.
The Martinez refinery is currently undergoing emergency maintenance that could take up to two additional weeks to complete. It is unclear what the impact of the unplanned maintenance is on gasoline production.
Meanwhile, the Assembly Natural Resources Committee is set to hold a hearing Monday on a resolution proposed by San Diego Democrat Christine Kehoe calling on Shell to keep the Bakersfield facility in operation. The company said Nov. 13 that it would close it Oct. 1.
When pushed, the company said months ago that it had no objection in principal to selling the Bakersfield refinery, but some two-dozen suitors have come and gone without results, an Assembly source said Thursday. A report published by the Oil Price Information Service also said five would-be buyers have signed confidentiality agreements with Shell, which could indicate that negotiations are in progress.
Shell said in November that the closure was because the reduced output of San Joaquin Valley heavy crude oil made the refinery "no longer economically viable."
Although the company said it couldn't turn a profit operating the refinery to crack the locally produced crude oil, it did say that it had plans to build a pipeline from the Bakersfield oil field to its refinery in Martinez, so it clearly was not giving up on the oil field altogether.
But the slide show obtained by the foundation and provided to the North County Times appears to brag about the Bakersfield refinery's performance, which has been consistently higher than the official business plan projection for 2004. In fact, while the company's plan for the refinery projects a significant loss, the refinery has turned a tidy profit, the slide show reveals, with the difference between projection and performance higher than any other facility in Shell's stable.
The documents purport to show that the Bakersfield refinery unexpectedly made more profit in May than it had during the entire preceding year.
A company statement said that it "plans to operate both the Bakersfield and Martinez refineries at normal summertime operations through the full summer driving season that closes around Labor Day," and that the documents and slide show are preliminary planning papers that have since been revised.
While it may seem nonsensical for a company to cut production just as demand for its product peaks, in the case of a commodity such as gasoline, economic studies have shown, the price increases spurred by a tight supply more than offsets the revenue lost from reduced refinery output.
The foundation also supplied the documents to California Attorney General Bill Lockyer and to the Federal Trade Commission. The documents are likely to be introduced at Monday's Assembly committee hearing.
Shell is expected to face questions at the hearing about the documents.
Reprinted without authority from the North County Times.

spectras only
06-29-2004, 10:07 AM
We paid an average US$2.60 for one US gallon up here for a long time .:mad:

spectras only
06-29-2004, 10:08 AM
DP :eek!:

chub
06-29-2004, 11:06 AM
I'm not a "GET A LAWYER AND SUE" type of guy but a class action suit against the big oil companies for gouging sure would make me feel alot better about myself. :yuk:

Essex502
06-29-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by spectras only
We paid an average US$2.60 for one US gallon up here for a long time .:mad:
That's prolly due to your socialist country's GST add-on tax! :D

spectras only
06-29-2004, 01:45 PM
Yeah , the liberals [Chretien ] promised to get rid of it [ GST}and guess what those lame canatards back east voted them back again:rolleyes:

Boatcop
06-29-2004, 02:47 PM
You'd think the oil companies would be ripping everyone off equally.
Here in Parker, regular unleaded is down to $1.69. And the news just said that we can expect prices to drop another 30-35 cents a gallon across the country by the end of July.
Look more at California's opressive laws and taxes regarding refineries than at the oil companies themselves.
Also look at where the article came from. The "North County Times" is one of the most liberal papers in the state. IF they reported that prices would be going down, they couldn't meet the goal of getting the Republicans out of office.
No matter how much the economy is growing, how well things are going in Iraq, the war on terror, etc. The libs will be preaching doom and gloom, and how we're all going to be eating dog food by Christmas, unless the Democrats get elected.
You have to consider the source and the motive when reading articles like this.

Dave C
06-29-2004, 05:29 PM
Frisco is a rip. average $2.40/ gallon.
but it is the most liberal place in the U.S.
Hmmmm... coincidence?!?;)

GlastronGuy
06-29-2004, 06:22 PM
At least my boat doesn't run on Everclear.

Ziggy
06-29-2004, 06:43 PM
It's a never ending poker match between us consumers and the oil co's......we know they're bluffing but we can't seem to win the hand.........we're dependants of the parents we'd love to disown.
Oh yes E502, I like high gas prices:rolleyes: :D I'll just go to my backyard and grab a few extra $100's off my tree.:D :D I just fed it some Miracle-Gro

CA Stu
06-29-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Boatcop
You have to consider the source
And the people said "Amen!"
Thanks
CA Stu

Essex502
06-30-2004, 06:15 AM
Shell Plant Closure Could Hurt Farmers
By Elizabeth Douglass, Times Staff Writer
California cotton farmers could face a diesel shortage during harvest this year if Shell Oil Co. closes its Bakersfield refinery as planned Oct. 1, an industry group warned lawmakers Monday.
The prediction by the California Independent Oil Marketers Assn. came during a hearing with state lawmakers, where Shell offered up the more hopeful news that it was "in discussions" with four possible buyers for the refinery.
Although the Bakersfield refinery is much smaller than others in the state, the question of its fate has energized consumer groups, lawmakers and state officials who worry that the plant's closure will worsen California's chronically tight fuel supplies and ultimately boost pump prices.
Officials have grown particularly concerned about the fall harvest season in the San Joaquin Valley, home to some of the state's most fertile fields. Many farmers need a steady flow of diesel to power their equipment, and the Bakersfield refinery — maker of 6% of the state's total production — has met their needs for decades.
"If the refinery closes in October, there will be a critical fuel shortage in the San Joaquin Valley…. There will be absolute outages in the area," said Jay McKeeman, executive vice president of the Sacramento-based marketers group, which represents independent companies that buy fuel from Shell for resale to farmers and others.
"We just ask that adequate fuel supplies be brought in before they pull the plug" on the refinery, he said.
Shell has pledged to replace about half of the lost diesel production by boosting output at its Bay Area refinery in Martinez and shipping it to Bakersfield by pipeline, but that solution won't be ready for at least a year.
Until the pipeline project is completed, wholesale customers — many of which cater to farmers — will have to pick up fuel at Shell terminals in Los Angeles or elsewhere. Under that scenario, companies that now pick up five tankers of fuel a day at Shell's Bakersfield terminal could spend an entire day retrieving a single load from Los Angeles, McKeeman said. "We believe there is a problem brewing here."
The most vulnerable would be cotton producers, which must harvest vast fields from late September to early November, according to the Kern County office of the University of California Cooperative Extension.
Some crops harvested year-round, such as alfalfa and carrots, may be affected too if diesel is in short supply or its price rises at the wrong time.
The Assembly Committee on Natural Resources, which held the hearing Monday, approved a resolution urging Shell to keep the refinery open through the end of the year. Christine Kehoe (D-San Diego) sponsored the resolution to give potential buyers more time to act.
Reprinted without permission of the Los Angeles Times

Dr. Eagle
06-30-2004, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Essex502
That's prolly due to your socialist country's GST add-on tax! :D
Don't forget the VAT.......

sorry dog
06-30-2004, 06:50 AM
eating dog food by Christmas
I fried Science Diet Regular in pan once and it basically tasted like Hormel corn beef hash. It wasn't all that bad. Really.

MagicMtnDan
06-30-2004, 07:24 AM
If you're going to gouge someone make sure it's someone who uses your product, a LOT of your product.
California has the most cars so the oil companies simply gouge one state more than the others. We have the ocean with oil tankers pulling up to the shore, we have oil rigs off shore, we have oil wells all over the place, and we have refineries everywhere. So WHY do Californians pay more than any other state for gas? Why do we pay more than states in bumfock nowhere like say Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Montana, etc?
Because we're the best target for the oil companies. All these cars, all these people in one place with the world's 7th largest economy - who better to gouge than us?! :mad:

HighRoller
06-30-2004, 07:34 AM
I don't like high gas prices, but I was terribly entertained by the oil company exec who stated that we should feel "lucky" to be paying "only" 2 bucks a gallon. By his rationale, the price was a bargain because demand is so high and supply is so tight. Strangely, he never commented about how the "tight" supply never results in gas shortages and how his company has set new sales records for the last 11 quarters straight despite "high refining costs". He also did not comment on the fact that gas prices are 100% or more higher than they were three years ago.

sorry dog
06-30-2004, 07:50 AM
all gas the same, instead of winter ( bs) blend, summer (bs) blend, etc... make two grades 87 and 91,
I think the Big Block guys wouldn't like there Reid Vapor Pressures being too high in the summer. Their boats might not start in the summer heat after being on the trailer so long.
...and more importantly - 91 sucks.
How about 89 and 94.

Dr. Eagle
06-30-2004, 08:35 AM
The Environmental Regulations surrounding refinery construction and operation are giving the oil companies a lynchpin issue to hang their hats on. It is a bitch to build or operate a refining operation, true... but what a business to be in... people need fuel.
We have gone from about 35 (+/-) refineries in California to 11... one of which Shell wants to close. The refineries are barely keeping up with demand... sounds like a money making machine to me. A little tweaking or a hiccup in the supply chain and next thing you know $3.50 for gas.
What can be done? I don't know how, but the supply side needs a good looking at.

Essex502
06-30-2004, 09:21 AM
One thing to be done is to not let Shell close that refinery. Require them to show proof that they are losing money OR have a pipeline to the Martinez facility completed and operational BEFORE closing the refinery. Or we may need to regulate the oil business. YUCK.
I agree with the statement to reduce the number of "boutique" blends required throughout the states. One blend - all of the U.S. and no summer/winter B.S. This is a ploy by the oil companies to boost the revenue from a particular refinery. Summer blend everywhere. Also, uniform taxation on the gasoline at the point of sale to equalize the differences between the states. That way what a motorist in Texas pays should be pretty close to what a motorist in California pays.
Also, let's not forget one of the REAL rip-offs in the distribution business of gasoline...ZONE PRICING must be outlawed. Same price throughout the state with only delivery charges that differ depending on the distance from the distribution center to the station.

Boozer
06-30-2004, 10:32 AM
You guys really are getting f*cked. Gas is down to $1.79 a gallon here for regular. They expect it to get down to 1.40 by late August Early October.
I can go to the gas station down the street and get Sunoco GT100 for 2.95 a gallon. I hear you guys are paying almost that much for premium now.

Dr. Eagle
06-30-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Essex502
Also, let's not forget one of the REAL rip-offs in the distribution business of gasoline...ZONE PRICING must be outlawed. Same price throughout the state with only delivery charges that differ depending on the distance from the distribution center to the station.
Harumph!!!!!!!!!
Zone Pricing is a ripoff!

beached 1
06-30-2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Boatcop
You have to consider the source and the motive when reading articles like this.
excellent point.

Dr. Eagle
06-30-2004, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Boatcop
No matter how much the economy is growing, how well things are going in Iraq, the war on terror, etc. The libs will be preaching doom and gloom, and how we're all going to be eating dog food by Christmas, unless the Democrats get elected.
Don't you just love negativity? It makes everyone feel so SHITTY!
The Libs are always preaching what's wrong with the country... never what's right with it. That is why they'll ultimately fail.