STV EURO Wanted

[XstreamXT]

Wanted STV Euro. must be nice condition. with or with out power. willing to travel.
206-849-0079
HomeInspect@hotmail.com
Lance

[HavasuDreamin']

You need to check out the www.screamandfly.com forums. They have a classified section with several STV's for sale including a beautiful blue and white one for $16K.
Good Luck. :cool:

[XstreamXT]

Yep I have considered the blue and white one. He wants a bit much for the condition. The motor hasnt been apart in years or ever, and there is lots of stress cracks on the boat. Thanks for the lead, but I am still shopping.
Wanted nice Euro
Lance

[Tom Brown]

Do the Euros crack like the ProComps?
I'd kind of like a Euro too but I don't want another project for a while.

[CrazyHippy]

Not in the same spots at least.... some of the lightweights run in rough water have developed a few stress cracks around the edges of the dash i think
BJH

[sorry dog]

Tom, I thought you wanted a 5 seat v-drive ski boat that hauls ass.

[XstreamXT]

Still shopping for a realalistically priced Euro. Some people want a fortune for thier boats. I am considering just buying a new 2004 stv Euro for 16 k. No motor.

[HavasuDreamin']

Most of the ones I see are in the $15K to $18K range with a 2.5 EFI motor. IMHO, that is not a bad price if the boat is clean. You have to consider the fact that a new one is going to be pushing $40K with the same motor. :cool:

[Tom Brown]

How does the Euro handle the chop compared to the ProComp with the ski bottom?

[HavasuDreamin']

Originally posted by Tom Brown
How does the Euro handle the chop compared to the ProComp with the ski bottom?
I have no idea? :confused: But this brings me to a question. :idea: Does any 19' tunnel boat "really" handle the chop "significantly" better than the next? Seems to me that once you get beyond about 18" - 24" it just sucks no matter what 19' tunnel you are in. :frown:

[XstreamXT]

The bottoms of the STV's have very little change. The Mod Vp or race bottom just has a slightly different center pad that lets it settle in the water better for corners. I hear that the Ski bottom is slightly better for chop. Some say that they cant tell the difference in the two.
15-16 k is a reasonable price for a good condition Euro with a fresh 2.5 . I have had multipul sellers trying to get 20k fo a nice boat with a worn out motor, And most will admit there motor needs new rings and pistons. At a cost of 2k for a decent rebuild. I would not pay over 12-13k for a boat that will need a new motor very soon. I have seen Many Nice Euro's with fresh 2.5's on S&F that have sold in the past year for 12-14k. I think I will just wait for the right one to come along. I tried to call Wally at Triad to talk about getting a new boat, but the shop is on vacation for the next week. For a few thousand more I can get a new boat with major inprovements over the last few years.
Wanted STV Euro.
Lance

[hpron]

Wally is back from vacation..was over there yesterday...he will be leaving Friday for the weekend to head to the ODBA drag racers....FYI..I have a Talon 21 with a 300 Promax that was just listed on S/F in the over 20ft hulls.....later Ron

[HavasuDreamin']

Originally posted by XstreamXT
I think I will just wait for the right one to come along.
Lance
Patience is always the best bet when shopping the used market.

[Scream And Fly.com]

I can tell you that Helmut and I have many, many hours of experience with the Euro, and we've put it through more punishment than most boats see in a lifetime. Our boat shows no signs of stress whatsoever. We closely watch for it too.
Like all STV boats, it's not an ideal rough water boat, but it will handle pretty snotty water quite well. Lance, if you're seeing whitecaps on your waterways, I would reconsider and get something larger.
We ran our STV Euro at 122 mph with both of us aboard and it rides like a Caddy. I think it's a very well balanced boat.
Our top speed with the Sportmaster was 128.9 mph.
I hope this helps - just my observations.
Greg

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by Scream And Fly.com
I can tell you that Helmut and I have many, many hours of experience with the Euro, and we've put it through more punishment than most boats see in a lifetime. Our boat shows no signs of stress whatsoever. We closely watch for it too.
Like all STV boats, it's not an ideal rough water boat, but it will handle pretty snotty water quite well. Lance, if you're seeing whitecaps on your waterways, I would reconsider and get something larger.
We ran our STV Euro at 122 mph with both of us aboard and it rides like a Caddy. I think it's a very well balanced boat.
Our top speed with the Sportmaster was 128.9 mph.
I hope this helps - just my observations.
Greg
Whats with the " our " crap, or are you hitched to Helmut? :D Sucks never less Greg......( . )( . ).....:p

[Wicky]

Originally posted by Scream And Fly.com
I can tell you that Helmut and I have many, many hours of experience with the Euro, and we've put it through more punishment than most boats see in a lifetime. Our boat shows no signs of stress whatsoever. We closely watch for it too.
Like all STV boats, it's not an ideal rough water boat, but it will handle pretty snotty water quite well. Lance, if you're seeing whitecaps on your waterways, I would reconsider and get something larger.
We ran our STV Euro at 122 mph with both of us aboard and it rides like a Caddy. I think it's a very well balanced boat.
Our top speed with the Sportmaster was 128.9 mph.
I hope this helps - just my observations.
Greg
I've seen some of this guys observations. He lies and covers shit up!!! And then the Fly's swarm all over it!!!
Thats just my opinion and I could be wrong but, I know I'm right!!
Mow,
Wicky

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by Wicky
I've seen some of this guys observations. He lies and covers shit up!!! And then the Fly's swarm all over it!!!
Thats just my opinion and I could be wrong but, I know I'm right!!
Mow,
Wicky
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE...........( . )( . )...

[XstreamXT]

WICKY What lie's and covering up are You refering to ?? Can you back up your acusations ?
Lance

[Wicky]

Just believe the "could be wrong" part of my rant. It is much easier that way.
Mow,
Wicky

[Scream And Fly.com]

Do tell Wicky. I would like to know too - it's news to me.
Greg

[Kim Hanson]

Get back in your cage with GregOriginally posted by XstreamXT
WICKY What lie's and covering up are You refering to ?? Can you back up your acusations ?
Lance
I only get to read now..every so often...But the bad deals and cover ups are pretty pethetic...wrong story :D Where was I again, it was a good thought and Helmet told me so...wrong one again....Lets just crash this thread and all should be good for go...Right Greg? :p .....( . )( . )......
XstreamXT, what are you the goon squad :D :D Get back in that place you all call home, you ain't ready yet......to venture to far off!;) :D

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by Scream And Fly.com
Do tell Wicky. I would like to know too - it's news to me.
Greg
I couldn't resist, it was something to do with Dry Smoking or Dry Smacking...in that arena :D
Hows it going Greg, funny to see you over here in " The Small Forum "........( . )( . )......:cool:

[Scream And Fly.com]

Oh, that's right. I forgot that we cover up bad deals on Scream And Fly. I do remember though that Helmut has never spoken to you in his life. Unless...
You're talking to him via telepathy?:confused:
Greg:)

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by Scream And Fly.com
Oh, that's right. I forgot that we cover up bad deals on Scream And Fly. I do remember though that Helmut has never spoken to you in his life. Unless...
You're talking to him via telepathy?:confused:
Greg:)
Good Lord no, Im just try to start shit again :D .........( . )( . )....:cool:

[CrazyHippy]

Bad Kim... Bad, Bad Kim. You know you must kiss Master Greg's feet. He has NEVER done anything wrong, just ask his cronies.
Greg, i respect your board, there is alot of Information on there, and i found my STV on there. Unfortunately (not blaming you) there is alot of BS on there too. People that shouldn't be giving advice giving it. Bad deals from the classifieds (the one that initially spawned the barney board was recently resolved). And the censorship. If you even question why some people (some of them on this thread) are no longer welcome, the thread disapears. If you have a legitimate reason to ban someone, why are you afraid of a few questions??
Once again, i've never met you, and have nothing against you, only a few questions.
Thanks
BJH

[hugh jascock]

you know i think it's pretty pathetic when a guy like greg comes here and try's to answer a post "on topic" and to give someone some valuable feedback and then gets jumped by a couple of you guy's !
virtually all the info i have found(some of it possibly life saving) has been from s+f's forums. i found my boat in there classifieds and have seen what happens to sellers who dont keep there end of the bargain.
i'm going to stop here before i really piss someone off!

[hugh jascock]

Originally posted by sorry dog
Tom, I thought you wanted a 5 seat v-drive ski boat that hauls ass.
when are they going to start making those?:D

[Tom Brown]

I thought I was the only one who enjoyed that piece, Hugh. Sorry dog may be a drunken fart burner but you have to admit, he'll make you laugh. :D

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by hugh jascock
you know i think it's pretty pathetic when a guy like greg comes here and try's to answer a post "on topic" and to give someone some valuable feedback and then gets jumped by a couple of you guy's !
virtually all the info i have found(some of it possibly life saving) has been from s+f's forums. i found my boat in there classifieds and have seen what happens to sellers who dont keep there end of the bargain.
i'm going to stop here before i really piss someone off!
Its too funny, I don't even have to try to piss people off it just come naturally :D ...........( . )( . )....I didn't jump Greg either, this is just screwing around..ask him! I have talked to Greg before and there is no hard feeling about being booted from his site :D :D ;) :p

[Scream And Fly.com]

Originally posted by CrazyHippy
Bad Kim... Bad, Bad Kim. You know you must kiss Master Greg's feet. He has NEVER done anything wrong, just ask his cronies.
Greg, i respect your board, there is alot of Information on there, and i found my STV on there. Unfortunately (not blaming you) there is alot of BS on there too. People that shouldn't be giving advice giving it. Bad deals from the classifieds (the one that initially spawned the barney board was recently resolved). And the censorship. If you even question why some people (some of them on this thread) are no longer welcome, the thread disapears. If you have a legitimate reason to ban someone, why are you afraid of a few questions??
Once again, i've never met you, and have nothing against you, only a few questions.
Thanks
BJH
Thank you for the support Hugh - I won't ask if that's your real name though :)
No, there is no hard feelings between me and Kim or anyone else.
BJH,
I appreciate your input, but as far as bad advice being given by those that are not qualified, I didn't know this was unique to Scream And Fly's forums. On the other hand, you complain about censorship, yet you're also complaining about the freedom members have to give advice - good or bad. Should we only allow some people this privilege? I think not. That would be censorship. It's a community of people, and giving advice (good or bad) is just part of what a community is all about.
As for our forum policies, I do not question anything. I stand by the decisions I make, and those of our moderators. If you choose to judge what we do simply by what you see on the forums, then you're only seeing part of the picture.
Yes, we run a very tight ship (no pun intended), but your assumptions on how we implement forum policy are false. We're a boating community, not a porn site, bashing board, or anything else. Members have the freedom to practice those interests - just not on Scream And Fly.
Re: Classifieds. There is no guarantee all transactions will complete in a suitable manner anywhere, although we do everything we can to support our members. Considering the size and traffic on our forums, we've had very few incidents. The Classifieds are, and always will be a "use at your own risk" affair. That's not just with our forums, the same is true of the Classifieds on other forums and your local newspapers, etc.
Of course there are those that cannot just "agree to disagree", but it is what it is.
Greg :)

[CrazyHippy]

Not blaming you for problems with classifieds at all. I'm saying it's wrong to remove threads regarding problems, if you happen to like the accused, or dislilke the acuser. I bet if you were the one getting bent over, it'd stay up.
As far as censorship goes.... There are several people who are no longer permited to give there advice (good or bad) on your board. How is this not censorship?
I am not arguing your moderators removing people, i understand things happen. But why the cover-up when questions arise??
It is easy to let your personal friendships cloud your better judgement, And you can say it's my ball, you cant play, but you dont seem to be that kinda guy. You started the board to help people, why get rid of knowledgable people?
BJH

[CrazyHippy]

I find you to be a level headeed guy, as are most people one on one. Unfortunatly there seems to be a group of over cafinated individuals supporting you, and their hot headed actions are often blammed on you, as it is your board.
BJH

[Wicky]

Originally posted by Scream And Fly.com
Thank you for the support Hugh - I won't ask if that's your real name though :)
No, there is no hard feelings between me and Kim or anyone else.
BJH,
I appreciate your input, but as far as bad advice being given by those that are not qualified, I didn't know this was unique to Scream And Fly's forums. On the other hand, you complain about censorship, yet you're also complaining about the freedom members have to give advice - good or bad. Should we only allow some people this privilege? I think not. That would be censorship. It's a community of people, and giving advice (good or bad) is just part of what a community is all about.
As for our forum policies, I do not question anything. I stand by the decisions I make, and those of our moderators. If you choose to judge what we do simply by what you see on the forums, then you're only seeing part of the picture.
Yes, we run a very tight ship (no pun intended), but your assumptions on how we implement forum policy are false. We're a boating community, not a porn site, bashing board, or anything else. Members have the freedom to practice those interests - just not on Scream And Fly.
Re: Classifieds. There is no guarantee all transactions will complete in a suitable manner anywhere, although we do everything we can to support our members. Considering the size and traffic on our forums, we've had very few incidents. The Classifieds are, and always will be a "use at your own risk" affair. That's not just with our forums, the same is true of the Classifieds on other forums and your local newspapers, etc.
Of course there are those that cannot just "agree to disagree", but it is what it is.
Greg :)
I believe everything I read on the internet!!! Especially when it is pursuasive!
Mow,
Wicky

[XstreamXT]

Wow, This has been a great experience on this board, for my first post ! So many friendy helpfull people on here. Thanks for everything. :)
Lance

[Tom Brown]

Originally posted by XstreamXT
WICKY What lie's and covering up are You refering to ?? Can you back up your acusations ?
Lance
Let's see...
Two years ago in this forum, he said there were only three members ever banned from Scream & Fly. I listed seven off the top of my head (I didn't include all of Kim's aliases) and he sent me a really nasty email regarding how furious he was with me to attack his integrity. Actually, I just pointed out the truth but that was of no concern.
He told me he banned me to get me to call him. I don't believe that was ever the case and he certainly didn't reinstate me when contact was made. In fact, he called me and started yelling and going ape shit. I hung up on him.
He told me he would sue me if I didn't remove a post on HavasuBarney.com. Of course, I didn't. No suit.
Apparently, He threatened to sue Danielle if she didn't stop posting on Barney's board. This from Danielle. Further posts... no suit.
Greg Moss tells me he threatened to sue him too. More hot air.
Greg and I generated a lot of history during a short period of time a couple of years ago. The one positive thing that came out of that conflict was our agreement not to communicate. He did send me an email after the agreement but it was short and polite. I chose to maintain the communication black out. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything Greg has said to me that he has stood behind. For this reason, I don't believe there is any point in communicating with him now or in the future.
I really laugh at Greg's posts defending his behavior. Frequently they contain the word “porn”. If you ask him why he deleted a post about something technical or whatever, he will mention that his site isn't a porn site. It's as though he can't figure out that some sites are adult and some are not or perhaps he thinks the existance of adult material on other sites somehow affects non adult posts on his site.. LMAO! :D
Good luck with your search Lance,
Tom

[Jordy]

Originally posted by hugh jascock
when are they going to start making those?:D
Been making them for years... look at a Schiada for starters. ;) :D

[Kim Hanson]

Originally posted by XstreamXT
Wow, This has been a great experience on this board, for my first post ! So many friendy helpfull people on here. Thanks for everything. :)
Lance
I have found STV's on E-Bay, Not what you are looking for , so sorry I couldn't help......( . )( . )........:frown:

[Wicky]

TB,
Thank you!!! Double Mow!!
Lance, I think STV makes an Epic boat. You need one!!
Have a nice day Greg T.
Mow,
Wicky

[Scream And Fly.com]

(here we go again, Tom Brown carrying this very old, beaten to death torch)
Wow Tom, that's some really interesting "facts" there - very accurate. And your sources of information are just as reliable - mostly people that we had to remove from our forums. See a pattern there?
Those that are destructive to Scream And Fly and our members will be banned from Scream And Fly, but not for the "version" of the story you're telling.
The REAL story is that I was calling you because you or one of your admins decided to use MY name on YOUR forum, pretending to be me, etc. Well, I didn't have any luck talking to you. No news there, that happend here as well, but one of the admins here put an end to it. At the time, I contacted Kelly Dunn (Barney), and we had a talk about your actions on the Havasu Barney forum. He agreed that what you did was wrong, and he'll remove the posts. I never checked if he did or not. He ended up telling me:
"I'm not sure why Tom Brown has such a hard-on for you Greg, but he says the conflict gives him strength."
I don't know Tom, does it?
I have no personal problem with anyone that was banned from Scream And Fly. Actually, I spoke with Kim, Barney, Wicky, and Uncle Tony - all of them very kind and respectful on the phone. I suppose the Internet brings out different sides in people.
People can say what they want about me, but I always thought that impersonating me and Scream And Fly administrators is taking it a little too far. If someone has a problem with us or our policies, you can simply choose not to be a part of it. You can even call me. :)
Have a nice day everyone. Lance, if you need help re: the STV, let me know.
Greg

[Wicky]

Confucious say, "Only believe those who have no vested interest."
I believe Tom Brown has no vested interest unlike Mr. Scream and Cry!!! Whom, btw is doing all the screaming on this post obviously!!! Bwwwwwwwwwwwahahahahahaha!!
Too funny!!!
Only believe what you see.
Mow,
Wicky

[Wicky]

http://www.byuboyz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6961&page=1&pp=10
Free entertainment thanks to Mr. Scream and Cry!!! Just click into about page 5 or so.
Mow,
Wicky
P.S. I remember when some motor mount bolts broke on my boat. It wasn't fun. Barney ended up posting on the Scream and Cry what had happened. The post was to inform everyone to check their motor mount bolts. I believe the title might have been "Baker Bolts." Things got kinda nasty. This was a huge safety issue. Mr. Scream and Fly deleted the post as I recall. I guess he isn't concerned with safety.
Mow,
Wicky

[You Te]

How come everyone that meets Mr. Scream and Fly in person sez he is queer as a duck. :confused:
You Te

[CrazyHippy]

Quack....
BJ:p H

[PACKINAIR]

I must say this is about one of the most childish threads I have ever read, Greg came over here to give a honest firsthand opinion of a boat. Why is it that a few of you always have to act like complete morons and turn it into a "WAAAA WAAAA look at me" thread. Someone asked, he answered so why not leave it at that. You people that act like this have really ruined the enjoyment I used to get out of thedifferent boards. Why not grow up a little bit and act like an adult. And I really don't think anyone really gives a shit about reading the same old warn out shit you cry about evey time you get the chance

[Wicky]

Originally posted by PACKINAIR
I must say this is about one of the most childish threads I have ever read, Greg came over here to give a honest firsthand opinion of a boat. Why is it that a few of you always have to act like complete morons and turn it into a "WAAAA WAAAA look at me" thread. Someone asked, he answered so why not leave it at that. You people that act like this have really ruined the enjoyment I used to get out of thedifferent boards. Why not grow up a little bit and act like an adult. And I really don't think anyone really gives a shit about reading the same old warn out shit you cry about evey time you get the chance
TAlk about WaaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Get a clue,
Wicky

[Rexone]

Gentlemen,
Get this thread back on topic and stop the bashing or I will lock it. This tech forum is not the place. This screamandfly stuff has been beat to death. Move on please.

[You Te]

Rexone,
You tell um!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You Te

[Tom Brown]

Yeah! :p

[You Te]

The STV EURO is a wonderful boat, it can haul large loads, take the rough water and still haul ass.
I have a very good friend named AZH (Marc) who just loves the boat.
Right now he is having a little trouble with his motor, it seems a monkey wrencher did some work on it and now it's not running very well.
But the hull in great.
You Te

[sorry dog]

Get this thread back on topic and stop the bashing or I will lock it.
Is it possible to duplicate the thread over in Bench Racers to put it back on topic?
Hey Greg, Why was RiverDave banned?
...and some on topic stuff...
Hey Greg, how's your stream running?

[O/B Dude]

Greg Terzian at Screamandfly.com has no business talking about "the real deal", "censorship" or even giving boating advice. He practices the worst kind of censorship on his forum and tries to control the content of other forums. He doesn't know much about boats, just lets people think he does. "The real deal"? That implies "truth"...something Tarzan rarely practices in my experience. He doesnt own a Euro... his friend Helmut has a very fast one, and Tarzan rides his coat tails. If anyone wants the "real deal", they need to ignore Tarzan.
As for "lies" I can back up what wicky said. Head over to byuboyz.com to find out more on Tarzan and his buddy Jay with regard to censorship, dishonesty, etc...
As for the Euro bottoms in rough water...you were pretty much on the nose with what you wrote about 'em. I have a comp bottom and I have driven a ski bottom. Comp bottoms settle and turn better than ski bottoms but don't lift as much and are theoretically 2-3 mph slower. The Ski bottom seems to handle rough water better but its marginal and isnt a hugh difference. I prefer the comp bottom, a friend likes the ski bottom...we run about the same in all conditions. I'd suggest you buy which ever bottom comes along first. You should be able to get a really nice one for $14000 - 17000 used.
Hope this helps.

[Rexone]

I asked once but you guys just don't seem to get it.
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